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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On May 14 2009 12:12 cava wrote: + Show Spoiler + That guy who was in lockes body was the blonde dude somehow, the one who we saw at the beginning of the episode with jacob as we saw the black rock about to make landfall at the island. We also saw him make contact with all the characters in the flashbacks o ok i missed the first 30min | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
I think that was assumed, but never proven or stated on the show. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
edit- I wonder if the guy who killed Jacob controls smokey, or if Jacob did? | ||
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cava
United States1035 Posts
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CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11599 Posts
edit: in the last scene with john and jacob, that song, "John Jacob, Jacob Allan Smith... His name was mine name too..." got stuck in my head for no reason | ||
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TryThis
Canada1522 Posts
this is what we came up with so. I posit that the man at the beginning, known henceforth as X, and Jacob are in some kind of wargame. as we know they are not friends, as X said he would kill him but he doesn't. presumably they are bound by a set of rules. Rules to which Richard plays as somewhat of a referee. these rules govern the actions that X and Jacob can or cannot do. similar to a game of chess, the players would be X and Jacob, however the pieces would be Jack, Sawyer, Ben, etc. I think the end of the game involves breaking out of or into a different time loop. as we can see, Jacob plays the game by visiting peoples lives and altering them in subtle (or not so subtle, if you're sayid) ways. I think that X and Jacob have lived through this time loop numerable times, X for whatever reason doesn't want to break it, and Jacob does. Or perhaps based on the beginning scene, Jacob caused it and believes he can break it. X does not. I know that sounds like a stretch, but in previous seasons I had heard Ben and Widmore talk about "breaking rules" and I think on a couple of occasions ben has said "you don;t knw who your playing for, do you?" regardless, if you think my idea is balogna, don't even continue reading. What was the common thread in the flashbacks of the finale? Jacob was in all of them. FALSE. Juliet did not have a Jacob appearance in her flashback. This leads me to believe that Juliet is simply a piece of the game that Jacob has not had the foresight to manipulate. well who gives a shit about Juliet, right? Wrong. Juliet is the one who sets off the bomb. Juliet singlehandedly alters the state of the past, killing all of them. Jacob thinks he is out of the time loop, but Juliet has made it occur again. in 30 years, the plane crashes again because Miles was right. the bomb caused the hatch. The loop repeats. | ||
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ktp
United States797 Posts
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littlechava
United States7221 Posts
have to wait until 2010 for this shit to end. | ||
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Shivaz
Canada1783 Posts
On May 14 2009 14:33 TryThis wrote: My friend and i (mostly him) spent a long time talking about the guy at the start. this is what we came up with so. I posit that the man at the beginning, known henceforth as X, and Jacob are in some kind of wargame. as we know they are not friends, as X said he would kill him but he doesn't. presumably they are bound by a set of rules. Rules to which Richard plays as somewhat of a referee. these rules govern the actions that X and Jacob can or cannot do. similar to a game of chess, the players would be X and Jacob, however the pieces would be Jack, Sawyer, Ben, etc. I think the end of the game involves breaking out of or into a different time loop. as we can see, Jacob plays the game by visiting peoples lives and altering them in subtle (or not so subtle, if you're sayid) ways. I think that X and Jacob have lived through this time loop numerable times, X for whatever reason doesn't want to break it, and Jacob does. Or perhaps based on the beginning scene, Jacob caused it and believes he can break it. X does not. I know that sounds like a stretch, but in previous seasons I had heard Ben and Widmore talk about "breaking rules" and I think on a couple of occasions ben has said "you don;t knw who your playing for, do you?" regardless, if you think my idea is balogna, don't even continue reading. What was the common thread in the flashbacks of the finale? Jacob was in all of them. FALSE. Juliet did not have a Jacob appearance in her flashback. This leads me to believe that Juliet is simply a piece of the game that Jacob has not had the foresight to manipulate. well who gives a shit about Juliet, right? Wrong. Juliet is the one who sets off the bomb. Juliet singlehandedly alters the state of the past, killing all of them. Jacob thinks he is out of the time loop, but Juliet has made it occur again. in 30 years, the plane crashes again because Miles was right. the bomb caused the hatch. The loop repeats. Very interesting theory indeed. edit: I have a question regarding this theory. If Jacob has lived through this loop many times, why would he be the one trying to get everyone back onto the island IF he already knows thisgroup of people are the ones trying to detonate the bomb which causes the plane to crash. | ||
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hiddink
United States34 Posts
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decafchicken
United States20168 Posts
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
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Ftrunkz
Australia2474 Posts
 Edit: This last season coming will really define whether lost goes down as one of the greatest show, if not the best show i've ever watched, or a pile of crap. If they wrap it up well fucking kudo's to the creators and writers, but if it all ends up with a bunch of plot holes and unexplained phenomena, i'll be sooooo so disappointed. | ||
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3024 Posts
its kind of a brainfuck though, the timeline goes: first jack gets on the plane, then he brings it down himself, then the plane crashes... doesnt make much sense to me | ||
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ThePhan2m
Norway2751 Posts
On May 14 2009 21:16 LG)Sabbath wrote: also, the bomb has to have caused the crash, otherwise miles' dad can just go back to his wife and then miles wont think his dad left him and so on its kind of a brainfuck though, the timeline goes: first jack gets on the plane, then he brings it down himself, then the plane crashes... doesnt make much sense to me ehm I think you messed up the time. the time when bomb exploded happened way BEFORE their plane crashed. (plane crashed due to Desmond didnt push the button) | ||
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Ftrunkz
Australia2474 Posts
But theres no proof that faradays bomb is what caused the swan to be the way it is... For all we know they did just fix it, and they're now living an alternate universe than the one they lived on "30 years" in the future... Does anyone else think that jacks view on the "we'll never land on the island" is fucking SOOO stupid. For them, the present is the present, they cant change the past and re-live it, they can simply change the current time they're in and the 'present time' versions of them will live out that reality... Man im way to tired for this -_- | ||
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ToT)OjKa(
Korea (South)2437 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + But i'll be damned if they take Juliet away from me  | ||
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stafu
Australia1196 Posts
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Shivaz
Canada1783 Posts
On May 14 2009 15:58 hiddink wrote: it was christian shepard aka "X" who told locke to get everyone back onto the island, not jacob. the above theory is interesting and fits the pieces You are right X told Locke to tell everyone else to go back, and he failed but eventually each one of them decided to go back with their own decision (except Sayid). However why did Jacob ask Hurley to go back, and Jacob is the reason Hurley went back? | ||
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