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TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-21 21:45:38
January 21 2009 19:23 GMT
#1
Season 5 Starts tonight.
need i say more?
[image loading]


Who else is super pumped?
Dwell
SirGlinG
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden933 Posts
January 21 2009 19:25 GMT
#2
me me me, pick me
Not my chair. Not my problem. That's what I say
Glider
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States1353 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-21 19:27:27
January 21 2009 19:26 GMT
#3
I'm pretty pumped, lost is very enjoyable if you want it to be.

where oh where (or when) did the island go...

it is a 2 hour episode right??
NotSupporting
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1998 Posts
January 21 2009 19:29 GMT
#4
I will download the episode (episodes?) tomorrow. Really looking forward to it
cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
January 21 2009 19:32 GMT
#5
Hell yeah
cava!
b3tty
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada216 Posts
January 21 2009 19:37 GMT
#6
the first season was so good, went downhill after that imo
it got really fucking wacky in season 4 : I

i'll watch it anyway, committed now.
DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
January 21 2009 19:40 GMT
#7
I AM HYPED!!
poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
January 21 2009 19:47 GMT
#8
We've waited long enough!! gogogogo
ktp
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States797 Posts
January 21 2009 19:48 GMT
#9
Its been too long...I need my LOST. John Locke will lay the smackdown on everybody and annihilate the island itself.
Motiva
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1774 Posts
January 21 2009 19:50 GMT
#10
haha I'm definitely looking forward to it. I'm not too sure i'm a huge fan of where the series is going, but i loved the first few seasons. I'm not going to form an opinion because it could turn out pretty bad ass. We'll see. Definitely going to watch though.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
January 21 2009 19:51 GMT
#11
YES
pokeyAA
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States936 Posts
January 21 2009 19:54 GMT
#12
I might just wait until the whole season is over so i can watch it all at once haha. I hate freaking waiting
Yizuo
Profile Joined December 2004
Germany1537 Posts
January 21 2009 19:56 GMT
#13
Does anybody know a link to a livestream?
Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
January 21 2009 19:59 GMT
#14
my girlfriend's obsessed about this; now I have to watch it to understand her better
Peaked at C- on ICCUP and proud of it! @Sunyveil
Proposal
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1310 Posts
January 21 2009 20:03 GMT
#15
omg thanks for reminding me!
numberThirtyOne
Profile Joined March 2008
United States294 Posts
January 21 2009 20:05 GMT
#16
On January 22 2009 04:23 TryThis wrote:
Who else is super pumped?


Me = super pumped.


voIDRAys are the most bm unit in SC2
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
January 21 2009 20:10 GMT
#17
WHERE????? omg now i have cable tv but idk where to watch this. Ive only watched on pc, and i guess its on hbo, lol idk wheres hbo im a tv cable noob.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
ktp
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States797 Posts
January 21 2009 20:13 GMT
#18
On January 22 2009 05:10 malongo wrote:
WHERE????? omg now i have cable tv but idk where to watch this. Ive only watched on pc, and i guess its on hbo, lol idk wheres hbo im a tv cable noob.


The show is on ABC, channel 7 for me.
brjdrb
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States577 Posts
January 21 2009 20:14 GMT
#19
I've been waiting a long time for this
Stork's biggest fan
InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
January 21 2009 20:27 GMT
#20
season 3 sucked pretty hard, but 4 was ok again, got better towards the end too. So I have some hope for season 5.
"I just pressed stimpack, and somehow I won the battle" -Flash
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
January 21 2009 20:29 GMT
#21
jaja have to agree

Season 3 sucked something fearsome
4 ..was meh

1 was by far the best.. TTwTT
cw)minsean(ru
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-21 20:32:22
January 21 2009 20:31 GMT
#22
if you live in PST, you can probably download the eps before the it starts live.

I hope Desmond shows up somewhere again.
FBS1
Profile Joined April 2003
United Kingdom875 Posts
January 21 2009 20:31 GMT
#23
They were all great, bring on S5!
St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
January 21 2009 20:31 GMT
#24
i need streaming i cant wait_T_T_T_T_T_T__T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T_T
Prophet in TL of the Makoto0124 ways
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
January 21 2009 20:33 GMT
#25
I'd have to disagree.
It's not about seasons.
All Ben episodes are the best.
Ben wins at lost.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Ichigo1234551
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States649 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-21 20:36:11
January 21 2009 20:34 GMT
#26
I cant wait. Freaking Lost is like the best show on TV right now. Everything fit together its not like Heroes where its just shit.

+ Show Spoiler +
I love desmond and penny. I cried in the episode lol.
the one where he called her on the phone and she answered. I think desmond has to go back to the island.
I WILL DESTROY YOU IN 2009 OK???????????????
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
January 21 2009 20:39 GMT
#27
+ Show Spoiler +
Desmond > Jack
Penny > Kate
their story rapes that whole gay love triangle they have. It evokes no emotion. When he called her it was awesome & had emotion oozing from it.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
January 21 2009 20:42 GMT
#28
I love LOST. I just wish I didn't know it existed until it was all over, so I could watch them all at once. My memory is terrible, so I forget like 80% of what happened in the past 4 seasons. D=...
♥ I used to lasso the shit out of your tournaments =( ♥ | Much is my hero. | zizi yO~ | Be Nice, TL.
Pengu1n
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States552 Posts
January 21 2009 21:24 GMT
#29
damn lost is awsome but im working tonight im going to miss it i watched the past 4 seasons online last month so i guess ill just wait for it to come online
Pengu1n
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States552 Posts
January 21 2009 21:26 GMT
#30
On January 22 2009 05:33 MYM.Testie wrote:
I'd have to disagree.
It's not about seasons.
All Ben episodes are the best.
Ben wins at lost.


lol when ben was first introduced i hated him he looked like an ugly rat and he was so annoying. But as the episodes went on he became more and more awsome. Its the complete opposite with Jack, he became more and more annoying
Snet *
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States3573 Posts
January 21 2009 21:37 GMT
#31
Not pumped, kind of anxious about it epic failing.
TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
January 21 2009 21:43 GMT
#32
i agree the first season was by far the best, but i'm totally hooked on.

jacks just turned into a whiny little bitch
Dwell
lakrismamma
Profile Joined August 2006
Sweden543 Posts
January 21 2009 21:54 GMT
#33
Gonna wachit on bigsreen in school on friday if I can get the movie room!
I hear thunder but theres no rain. This type of thunder breaks walls and window panes.
Spike
Profile Joined October 2003
United States1392 Posts
January 21 2009 21:58 GMT
#34
hmmm, I haven't watch since the 2nd season. I don't suppose anyone can give a quick rundown of what the plot is?

We ever figure out what those shadow things are?
Nazarene
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Denmark996 Posts
January 21 2009 21:59 GMT
#35
On January 22 2009 05:42 Mikilatov wrote:
I love LOST. I just wish I didn't know it existed until it was all over, so I could watch them all at once. My memory is terrible, so I forget like 80% of what happened in the past 4 seasons. D=...
Yeah, me too! It sucks that it's been like a year since season 4 ended
TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
January 21 2009 22:06 GMT
#36
On January 22 2009 06:58 Spike wrote:
hmmm, I haven't watch since the 2nd season. I don't suppose anyone can give a quick rundown of what the plot is?

We ever figure out what those shadow things are?


i dont even remember what those "shadow things" you speak of are.

to be honest, missing two seasons is kinda a big deal, and its best if you just start watching season three right now
Dwell
FBS1
Profile Joined April 2003
United Kingdom875 Posts
January 21 2009 22:07 GMT
#37
shadow things = smoke monster?
Chewits
Profile Joined September 2006
Northern Ireland1200 Posts
January 21 2009 22:08 GMT
#38
Bahhh.We got to wait untill Sunday for us in the UK!
Whats the altitude?
SoDrunk
Profile Joined September 2004
United Kingdom291 Posts
January 21 2009 22:25 GMT
#39
Looking forward to it, gonna need to go recap first tho.
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
January 21 2009 22:48 GMT
#40
Well, for everyone saying the first season was the best I don't think anyone would disagree with you. Everything was still a mystery and things were still left to be uncovered. It might be different if you went back and watched it now knowing what you already know.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
Lycaeus
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States1420 Posts
January 21 2009 22:57 GMT
#41
Ben's my favorite character of lost as well, guy is a genius in all areas
cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
January 21 2009 22:57 GMT
#42
I don't get the hate for season 3, it was a great season. It started off a bit slow with them being held prisoner but the second half of the season was amazing, not to mention the season 3 finalle was the best episode of tv I have ever seen.
cava!
ulszz
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Jamaica1787 Posts
January 22 2009 00:40 GMT
#43
chea chea lets go can't wait blaze a jay
everliving, everfaithful, eversure
uppTagg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden473 Posts
January 22 2009 00:42 GMT
#44
hmm.. how did the 4th season end? I forgot ><
men du... Tagga!
dragonmax
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States131 Posts
January 22 2009 00:56 GMT
#45
the island moved and they have to go back
you can watch it for free on abc.com
arcticStorm
Profile Joined January 2009
United States295 Posts
January 22 2009 00:57 GMT
#46
The problem I have with Lost is if you haven't watched any of the past episodes you are completely clueless. Other shows you can pick up pretty quickly, but with Lost, it's so bad that they have those shows with explanatory subtitles...which don't help either. I'm sure it'd be great if I watched it from season 1, but I just don't have time for that.

FRINGE FTW
This statement is a lie.
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
January 22 2009 01:05 GMT
#47
Lets do this! Can't wait. It just started.
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6635 Posts
January 22 2009 01:16 GMT
#48
This show is still being made? I thought they'd have made it off that god damn island by now.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
Quanticfograw
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States2053 Posts
January 22 2009 01:20 GMT
#49
they are off the island now
https://twitter.com/quanticfograw
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
January 22 2009 01:21 GMT
#50
YET THEY ARE STILL
LOST
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
January 22 2009 01:24 GMT
#51
Really looking forward to it. I don't think there's any way to say how good the last 2 seasons are yet as so much of their quality depends on how satisfying the answers will be that the writers have prepared for all the mysteries.

Because of this I'm also kind of scared they'll fuck the whole show up by getting crazier and crazier with their ideas, but I still have some faith they'll be able to bring it to a good and satisfying end.

It's supposed to start in like an hour right?
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
January 22 2009 01:25 GMT
#52
And yeah, Ben's awesome, but I think a little too much of the show's awesomeness has started to depend on him, most other characters have gone from cool to annoying.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
January 22 2009 01:29 GMT
#53
theres a recap on right now, if you missed out on everything before go watch it haha
Dwell
Proposal
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1310 Posts
January 22 2009 02:53 GMT
#54
anyone seeing this right now?
Ichigo1234551
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States649 Posts
January 22 2009 02:54 GMT
#55
can you the new episode online yet??
i just got home
I WILL DESTROY YOU IN 2009 OK???????????????
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
January 22 2009 03:17 GMT
#56
On January 22 2009 11:54 Ichigo1234551 wrote:
can you the new episode online yet??
i just got home
I think they'll have the 2 new episodes online tomorrow. Usually they wait a day I think.
BreakEnter
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Bulgaria81 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-22 03:36:45
January 22 2009 03:35 GMT
#57
Should be up on torrent sites soon
Pengu1n
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States552 Posts
January 22 2009 03:53 GMT
#58
I love lost but i'm going to list things about it that annoy me just for fun.

1) "Tracking" I really hate it when Kate just starts "tracking" and following trails. Theres no way she can pick up those trails so fast and accurately its just annoying. When Locke does it its kinda cool because hes the "hunter" and has been training beforehand. But when Kate does it it just aggravates me.

2) Sayeed's little love affair with that rich bitch (forget her name). Okay sure shes hot but wasn't Sayeed still completely obsessed with that other muslim girl he tortured. Sayeed strikes me as the one who would be able to see past the rich bitches looks and hate her for her materialistic snobby personality. I really don't get how he fell "in love" with her unless he was just horny from being on the island so long w/out getting any. Then when she dies hes over it in a few days and back to obsessing over his other love. Would have made more sense for a different character to persue the rich bitch maybe Sawyer would have been interesting.

3) I don't get why nobody wanted to help Benard make the giant SOS on the beach? Seemed like a good idea to me. Sure it was a lot of work but its not like they had anything better to do and you never know when a helicopter might fly over and see it.

4) Whats the point of having 60+ survivors initially on the island when your only going to show the story of a select few? Why not just make them the only survivors. Towards the end of season 4 when things started getting crazy and people split into 2 groups all the other survivors kind of disapered.

5) I hate Sun for cheating on Jin and I couldn't wait for him to find out. Especially since Jin became a slave to Sun's father just to be with her. But his reaction was kind of lame and was kinda pissed that he forgave her for cheating and lying right to his face. To me thats unforgivable.

6) Everytime someone goes off on an adventure and someone else wants to come but the "hero" usually Jack tells them to stay behind. This gets really annoying in every freaking episode. Especially Kate (i really just dont like Kate) always wants to come along and get in the way. The aruging over who gets to come gets repetitive if you know what i mean.

7) I'm still waiting for a long overdue fight to break out between Sawyer an Jack, it would be so awsome to watch Sawyer kick Jacks little bitch ass.

okay thats all i can think of ;p
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
January 22 2009 04:03 GMT
#59
great episodes
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
January 22 2009 04:04 GMT
#60
I just watched the first episode and my mind nearly melted. That's really all I have to say about it.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 22 2009 04:05 GMT
#61
I thought the first half was better, but bringing that old lady in at the end was just WOAH!
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
January 22 2009 04:07 GMT
#62
On January 22 2009 13:05 GGQ wrote:
I thought the first half was better, but bringing that old lady in at the end was just WOAH!
Old lady wasn't that whoa for me. Unless I just forgot who she was. Was she on the island with Ben and the others in season 3?

Bigger whoa moment for me was the start with Daniel working with the Darma people at the dig site. That was whoa.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
January 22 2009 04:13 GMT
#63
a lot of whoas throughout
Ichigo1234551
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States649 Posts
January 22 2009 04:43 GMT
#64
On January 22 2009 12:53 Pengu1n wrote:
I love lost but i'm going to list things about it that annoy me just for fun.

1) "Tracking" I really hate it when Kate just starts "tracking" and following trails. Theres no way she can pick up those trails so fast and accurately its just annoying. When Locke does it its kinda cool because hes the "hunter" and has been training beforehand. But when Kate does it it just aggravates me.

2) Sayeed's little love affair with that rich bitch (forget her name). Okay sure shes hot but wasn't Sayeed still completely obsessed with that other muslim girl he tortured. Sayeed strikes me as the one who would be able to see past the rich bitches looks and hate her for her materialistic snobby personality. I really don't get how he fell "in love" with her unless he was just horny from being on the island so long w/out getting any. Then when she dies hes over it in a few days and back to obsessing over his other love. Would have made more sense for a different character to persue the rich bitch maybe Sawyer would have been interesting.

3) I don't get why nobody wanted to help Benard make the giant SOS on the beach? Seemed like a good idea to me. Sure it was a lot of work but its not like they had anything better to do and you never know when a helicopter might fly over and see it.

4) Whats the point of having 60+ survivors initially on the island when your only going to show the story of a select few? Why not just make them the only survivors. Towards the end of season 4 when things started getting crazy and people split into 2 groups all the other survivors kind of disapered.

5) I hate Sun for cheating on Jin and I couldn't wait for him to find out. Especially since Jin became a slave to Sun's father just to be with her. But his reaction was kind of lame and was kinda pissed that he forgave her for cheating and lying right to his face. To me thats unforgivable.

6) Everytime someone goes off on an adventure and someone else wants to come but the "hero" usually Jack tells them to stay behind. This gets really annoying in every freaking episode. Especially Kate (i really just dont like Kate) always wants to come along and get in the way. The aruging over who gets to come gets repetitive if you know what i mean.

7) I'm still waiting for a long overdue fight to break out between Sawyer an Jack, it would be so awsome to watch Sawyer kick Jacks little bitch ass.

okay thats all i can think of ;p



I think Jack is the coolest character.
He is destined to be a great leader and he will show his power soon.
I bet in the next few season you will start to see the real jack. A fearless JACK. like the beginning of the series
I WILL DESTROY YOU IN 2009 OK???????????????
ktp
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States797 Posts
January 22 2009 04:47 GMT
#65
In the first 30 min I thought to myself, this show is absolutely horrible. Then I realized its Lost I was watching and I finally got back into it again. Watching Siyheed own two dudes while Hurley eats a burger was pretty funny. And Hurley's explaining to his mom about what had happened so far is exactly what I tell people when they ask me about Lost, which is probably why they are so confused.
cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-22 06:46:24
January 22 2009 06:45 GMT
#66
The old lady at the end was the same women who told Desmond not to buy the ring in season 3. She was trying to convince him to redo his life exactly as he had done it the first time to ensure he ended up on the island. She appears to be a vital player in the grand scheme of things.

I loved the first episode, 10/10 for sure
cava!
omfghi2u2
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States831 Posts
January 22 2009 07:11 GMT
#67
Not to mention that whole weird ass time pendulem thing.

Good episode none the less. I think this further proves the time theory I heard at the end of season 4.
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-22 19:18:23
January 22 2009 18:59 GMT
#68
On January 22 2009 13:07 LuckyFool wrote:
Bigger whoa moment for me was the start with Daniel working with the Darma people at the dig site. That was whoa.

I am guessing thats Daniel's father, like 20 years ago. Since Daniel's mother is mentioned in the show, it could be that they were working in Dharma.
+ Show Spoiler [ or could it be ...] +
Old lady = Mrs. Faraday?


another 'whoa' a ancient Apple computer, that computes bunch of data, and displays a world map.
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
January 22 2009 19:05 GMT
#69
On January 23 2009 03:59 anch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2009 13:07 LuckyFool wrote:
Bigger whoa moment for me was the start with Daniel working with the Darma people at the dig site. That was whoa.

I am guessing thats Daniel's father, like 20 years ago. Since Daniel's mother is mentioned in the show, it could be that they were working in Dharma.
+ Show Spoiler [ or could it be ...] +
Old lady = Mrs. Faraday?

+ Show Spoiler [answer] +
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ms._Hawking
ModeratorBlame yourself or God
cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-22 19:16:05
January 22 2009 19:08 GMT
#70
On January 23 2009 03:59 anch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2009 13:07 LuckyFool wrote:
Bigger whoa moment for me was the start with Daniel working with the Darma people at the dig site. That was whoa.

I am guessing thats Daniel's father, like 20 years ago. Since Daniel's mother is mentioned in the show, it could be that they were working in Dharma.
+ Show Spoiler [ or could it be ...] +
Old lady = Mrs. Faraday?


The island is shifting in time, where the people shifting are experiencing things that happend in all of those times. I was under the impression that the island had simple shifted and daniel was just undercover for some reason or another, maybe to figure out how to stop the shifts.
cava!
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
January 22 2009 19:12 GMT
#71
On January 23 2009 04:05 Zelniq wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [answer] +
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ms._Hawking

ya i was reading that before i read your post.
lol @ unanswered question + Show Spoiler +
Is she Daniel Faraday's mother?
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
January 22 2009 19:41 GMT
#72
Yeah that makes a little more sense. I'm also still waiting for the explanation on to why Richard is the same age in every time period and in every scene.
cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-22 19:45:00
January 22 2009 19:44 GMT
#73
I have a bizarre theory that Richard and crew are from the black rock pirate ship, and are immortal pirates. Lol its crazy but its all I've got on his non aging.
cava!
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
January 22 2009 19:57 GMT
#74
or because he's a time traveler?
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
January 22 2009 19:57 GMT
#75
ugh..that episode was shit
cw)minsean(ru
cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
January 22 2009 20:01 GMT
#76
On January 23 2009 04:57 tonight wrote:
or because he's a time traveler?


Him and his crew are not the ones being shifted in time, Locke/Sawyer/etc are. He still remains the same age in all scenarios, including when Ben was a small child. Its still a possibiility that he is time traveling, but if he is its by some other method.
cava!
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9619 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-22 20:44:57
January 22 2009 20:44 GMT
#77
On January 22 2009 12:53 Pengu1n wrote:
I love lost but i'm going to list things about it that annoy me just for fun.

1) "Tracking" I really hate it when Kate just starts "tracking" and following trails. Theres no way she can pick up those trails so fast and accurately its just annoying. When Locke does it its kinda cool because hes the "hunter" and has been training beforehand. But when Kate does it it just aggravates me.



ugh that bothers me so much
Locke was never a hunter, he was a tool. He worked at a wal-mart at the ripe age of 40ish. He got conned by an old man. He is a fool. He spent half his life in a wheel chair. He's finally out of it and acts like he's king of the fucking jungle. He's the biggest fake on the god damn show. His life finally has some purpose(Which it doesnt at all, he just wants to think so), so he's finally some kind of false hero.
TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
January 22 2009 21:03 GMT
#78
i disagree with you man, although he shouldn't be as good as he is. He did learn the theory behind tracking, unlike Kate, who just spent her time running around and covering up her own tracks.
With the practice covering her own tracks she would have learned the basics to tracking
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Pengu1n
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States552 Posts
January 22 2009 21:40 GMT
#79
Yea but thats the thing she only learned basics. Now you have her out here in a jungle tracking people hours ahead of her and catching up to them so fast. I don't think anybody is really that good.

and as for Locke i guess i just assumed he had some past experiences outside his box factory. He's very mysterious like in the flashbacks with his weed farm (unexpected). and he always knows when its going to rain and everything hes just weird so it fits him to be the "jungle king"

but as for tracking i don't think any character on the show should be able to track as well as they do, but they really have no other way to explain how they keep finding their way through an unfamiliar jungle where everything looks the same.
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
January 22 2009 21:42 GMT
#80
last nights ep sucked to me..
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-22 22:10:39
January 22 2009 22:10 GMT
#81
This crap is still going?Watched first 4 seasons, 1 and 2 were really good, rest was just for pure purpose of keeping the storyline...God, why do they have to resurrect/make 10 seasons of all decent series.
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
January 22 2009 22:12 GMT
#82
On January 23 2009 07:10 Itachii wrote:
This crap is still going?Watched first 4 seasons, 1 and 2 were really good, rest was just for pure purpose of keeping the storyline...God, why do they have to resurrect/make 10 seasons of all decent series.


Its not crap its pretty much the best show on tv right now. Also they had a 5 season plan since the beginning. It will end up being 6 seasons though because the last 3 seasons are mini seasons.
cava!
inReacH
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Sweden1612 Posts
January 22 2009 22:24 GMT
#83
http://tvshack.net/tv/Lost/
bObaZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Portugal862 Posts
January 23 2009 00:17 GMT
#84
On January 23 2009 07:10 Itachii wrote:
This crap is still going?Watched first 4 seasons, 1 and 2 were really good, rest was just for pure purpose of keeping the storyline...God, why do they have to resurrect/make 10 seasons of all decent series.


How can u say that?

Season 1 and 2 and a little of 3 Are just an introduction for what's to come. The Real Story Line only begins late season 3 and season 4! And it's FREAKIN GREAT!
dan1st
Profile Joined April 2004
Malaysia399 Posts
January 23 2009 02:47 GMT
#85
On January 23 2009 07:24 inReacH wrote:
http://tvshack.net/tv/Lost/


Wow, how come no one has shown me that link before.
Been looking for a site like this for a long time.
TQTQTQTQ!
TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
January 23 2009 17:07 GMT
#86
On January 23 2009 11:47 dan1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2009 07:24 inReacH wrote:
http://tvshack.net/tv/Lost/


Wow, how come no one has shown me that link before.
Been looking for a site like this for a long time.
TQTQTQTQ!


www.surfthechannel.com
www.alluc.net
http://tv-links.cc/

i live off these sites
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Khaymus
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States750 Posts
January 24 2009 01:07 GMT
#87
I missed the first episode thank god for hulu! Off I go!
Let them say we lived in the time of Boxer, Emperor of Terran. Let them say we lived in the time of Nal_rA, Dreamer of Protoss. Let them say we lived in the time of Savior, Master of the Zerg.
ToT)BrAiN(
Profile Joined March 2003
Austria899 Posts
February 12 2009 16:42 GMT
#88
okay, have to bump this cause last night the newest episode came out

what
the
fuck
Nazarene
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Denmark996 Posts
February 12 2009 17:15 GMT
#89
Awesomest series ever!
Quanticfograw
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States2053 Posts
February 12 2009 17:40 GMT
#90
hmmmmmmm such a good show but I wonder if farady still tries to convince the little girl not to come back to the island when he knows his attempt is futile. I bet you that lock wakes up somehow after the transport thing and dies in some other way before they get to the island. No way is he continuing to be dead.
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2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9502 Posts
February 12 2009 19:11 GMT
#91
I can't believe that after 5 seasons, this show is only getting better and better!


oh and this show should totally be renamed to "WTF?!"

Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-12 19:37:16
February 12 2009 19:36 GMT
#92
I'm enjoying the show less and less tbh.

One of the main plots of seasons 1-3 was the development of the characters and it was fun because everyone had the characters he liked and the ones he hated and you actually felt with the characters.

Now most characters seem to me to have come to the end of the development that the writers intended and they're just left without a real personality (like Sawyer, wtf he was the coolest guy in the first seasons, now he's this lame reformed hero who desperately tries to retain his badboy image with mediocre jokes) or they're given some new, weird and imo farfetched twist. Rampage Sun for example, wtf.

I just don't really care about any of the characters anymore, because I have no idea what they stand for. Sayid? He worked for Ben, but now he's warning Hurley against him all the while killing the 500 assassins that are after him. I have no idea what his goals are anymore. Jack? He had some weird meeting with Locke and turned into an island worshipper, complete personality turnaround.

The story's still cool I guess, but after 4 seasons of defending Lost and believing that all of the mysteries were going to be solved eventually, it's starting to wear on me. Cuse and Lindelof said something like 'the story's starting to slip into this gear where it's answering more questions than it's asking.' lol! I'm just having trouble believing that they'll bring this to a satisfactory ending. I'm sure they have the big mysteries planned out, but what about the 34563 small things? Like, are we ever going to find out whether the guy Claire went to is really a psychic? Of course that's not really important to the story, but if you're going to make all those riddles, you should at least try to answer them all sometime.

Also, the story's become incredibly huge and complex. Whole storylines have just been completely forgotten so far. Rose and Bernard at least got like 2 minutes of screen time so far this season, but what about Walt for example? What about the black guy who went to see hurley at the mental hospital? In the last episode, when they were pursued by that boat, were you guys excited and wondering who those new people were? I was mostly just annoyed at yet another group of people to make this mess even more complicated.

I still like Lost and I look forward to every new episode, but it's lost a lot of its appeal imo.

/rant

On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
February 12 2009 20:08 GMT
#93
On February 13 2009 04:36 Orome wrote:
I'm enjoying the show less and less tbh.

One of the main plots of seasons 1-3 was the development of the characters and it was fun because everyone had the characters he liked and the ones he hated and you actually felt with the characters.

Now most characters seem to me to have come to the end of the development that the writers intended and they're just left without a real personality (like Sawyer, wtf he was the coolest guy in the first seasons, now he's this lame reformed hero who desperately tries to retain his badboy image with mediocre jokes) or they're given some new, weird and imo farfetched twist. Rampage Sun for example, wtf.

I just don't really care about any of the characters anymore, because I have no idea what they stand for. Sayid? He worked for Ben, but now he's warning Hurley against him all the while killing the 500 assassins that are after him. I have no idea what his goals are anymore. Jack? He had some weird meeting with Locke and turned into an island worshipper, complete personality turnaround.

The story's still cool I guess, but after 4 seasons of defending Lost and believing that all of the mysteries were going to be solved eventually, it's starting to wear on me. Cuse and Lindelof said something like 'the story's starting to slip into this gear where it's answering more questions than it's asking.' lol! I'm just having trouble believing that they'll bring this to a satisfactory ending. I'm sure they have the big mysteries planned out, but what about the 34563 small things? Like, are we ever going to find out whether the guy Claire went to is really a psychic? Of course that's not really important to the story, but if you're going to make all those riddles, you should at least try to answer them all sometime.

Also, the story's become incredibly huge and complex. Whole storylines have just been completely forgotten so far. Rose and Bernard at least got like 2 minutes of screen time so far this season, but what about Walt for example? What about the black guy who went to see hurley at the mental hospital? In the last episode, when they were pursued by that boat, were you guys excited and wondering who those new people were? I was mostly just annoyed at yet another group of people to make this mess even more complicated.

I still like Lost and I look forward to every new episode, but it's lost a lot of its appeal imo.

/rant



This season has been crammed full of answers to previous questions, but they cant answer everything at once. Rose and Bernard have always been side characters since the beginning as well. Im sure Sayid will explain why he is not so thrilled with Ben relatively shortly. Im also thinking that we will find more about the black guy toward the end of the season after they finally are ready to all go back to the island, I have a feeling that he is the oppostion and will make an attempt to stop them. The island was jumping back and forth through time, so we learned a few things about a few time periods that will probably come full circle not this season but the last.
cava!
mikodrak
Profile Joined February 2009
Czech Republic78 Posts
February 12 2009 20:10 GMT
#94
Orome: I just so agree.. so many little things.. just seems to me that theyre there just to add some kind of a "everything is a mystery" thing.

I really loved and was thrilled by seasons one and two, cause I seemed to understand (or at least I thought i did :D) what was going on all the time and the plot was so original. Now everything is just getting in the point where I say to myself "oh.. this was not at all planned in the beginning and we just have to go through this crap that was made up by the creators to make it a longer show"..
I mean I still like it and I will hang with it possibly to see the ending, but I dont think I am the only one who is getting tired of the "all mysteries aura".

To me, it seems that the shows that were just so great in the beginning (to me that was lost S01 and 02, prison break 01 and 02 and Heroes s01) are stuck somewhere, getting rid of their greatness by just widening the plot stupidly (Heroes) or just repeating the same schedule all over again (Prison Break). If it ended in three seasons with a certain "END" that would be believeable and intelligent plot-wise.. Like this, it seems that the magic is evaporating over time.

As I said, I still watch it time to time when I need a rest.. but Its more like a habit as I dont feel the deep thrill of it anymore. Like when the characters were getting to the inevitable battle in the end of Heroes s01 or some parts of Lost in season 2 which left me speechless after the ending title because of the writers geniousness. That was just great.

Guess Ill hope to see some better times..

Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-12 20:21:11
February 12 2009 20:20 GMT
#95
On February 13 2009 05:08 cava wrote:
This season has been crammed full of answers to previous questions, but they cant answer everything at once. Rose and Bernard have always been side characters since the beginning as well. Im sure Sayid will explain why he is not so thrilled with Ben relatively shortly. Im also thinking that we will find more about the black guy toward the end of the season after they finally are ready to all go back to the island, I have a feeling that he is the oppostion and will make an attempt to stop them. The island was jumping back and forth through time, so we learned a few things about a few time periods that will probably come full circle not this season but the last.


That's my point, I'm sure they haven't just forgotten, but there are so many characters and so many plot lines they can't possibly keep up with all of them. Plot lines like Jacob, Christian Shephard and Claire for example.

They'll come up again eventually, but because of the enormous complexity of the plot, the unravelling of the different plot lines has become incredibly distracted.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20019 Posts
February 12 2009 20:24 GMT
#96
jacks dad = jacob???
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
February 12 2009 22:44 GMT
#97
I am thoroughly convinced that they totally just make this show up as they go along and will probably never answer more questions than they create.


but thats ok, as long as i ignore that I still enjoy the show anyways
cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
February 12 2009 22:47 GMT
#98
On February 13 2009 07:44 travis wrote:
I am thoroughly convinced that they totally just make this show up as they go along and will probably never answer more questions than they create.


but thats ok, as long as i ignore that I still enjoy the show anyways


I feel exactly like this but with Heroes. The plot lines on that show take rediculous turns that make no sense. But Lost has had a general plotline planned out since the beginning.
cava!
numberThirtyOne
Profile Joined March 2008
United States294 Posts
February 12 2009 23:24 GMT
#99
On February 13 2009 04:36 Orome wrote:
In the last episode, when they were pursued by that boat, were you guys excited and wondering who those new people were? I was mostly just annoyed at yet another group of people to make this mess even more complicated.


I'd be extremely surprised if those were new people. They were obviously placed that far away on purpose so that we wouldn't get a good look at them and recognize who they were. The best theory I've heard so far on them is + Show Spoiler +
that it's the Oceanic 6 after coming back to the Island sometime in the future. In Season 3, we learned that the Others were building a runway on the smaller Island with the Hydra station. That runway could have been so the O6 could fly back there on Ajira(sp) Airways. They then come to the main island via those outrigger boats (they're the same style of boat we see Carl and everyone using to get to the Hydra and back). At some point, the O6 see that someone has run off with one of their boats, so they chase after and shoot at them.
voIDRAys are the most bm unit in SC2
Ichigo1234551
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States649 Posts
February 12 2009 23:39 GMT
#100
+ Show Spoiler +
THE ISLAND IS DEATH!!!!!!!!
I WILL DESTROY YOU IN 2009 OK???????????????
Epicfailguy
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Norway893 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-13 08:15:38
February 13 2009 08:15 GMT
#101
On February 13 2009 07:44 travis wrote:
I am thoroughly convinced that they totally just make this show up as they go along and will probably never answer more questions than they create.


but thats ok, as long as i ignore that I still enjoy the show anyways

I really dont think so.
At one point I thought the same, but the island skipping through time, answers a lot of the completely random things we've seen in the earlier seasons, like characters appearing in random places and saying random things.
At the time, it didnt mean anything, but 4 seasons later we get the explanation.

I like it. I love how lost makes you think, even if its a lot more unanswered questions.
Faronel
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States658 Posts
February 15 2009 02:18 GMT
#102
Hey guys, can you help me get up?
C'est la vie...
stafu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1196 Posts
February 15 2009 02:54 GMT
#103
What I love about this show is, despite haters thinking otherwise, the creators of the show really do know where it's going. It's incredibly complex and even the most minute of details have all been planned out (bar some things that had to change due to unforseen circumstances).

For example, when Richard visits baby Locke, you're just like wtf? That was a while ago now, and just recently it was fully explained. I've also been re-watching season 1 with my girlfriend, and Danielle mentions in season 1 about one of her French people she rocked up to the island with losing his arm -- the whole conversation about it lasts around 30 seconds. Now in season 5 we see the guy lose his arm. Love it
omfghi2u2
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States831 Posts
February 15 2009 03:59 GMT
#104
Anyone else thinks we will never see the Hurly Libby relationship in the crazy hospital?

Also, 4 toed statue?
stafu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1196 Posts
February 15 2009 07:36 GMT
#105
4 toed statue is possibly related to the temple the smoke monster is guarding/lives in -- it had Egyptian heiroglyphics all over it and the 4 toed statue seems to fit with that theme.
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
February 15 2009 07:43 GMT
#106
that seemed more like a 4 toed colossos than a egyptian statue.
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
February 15 2009 18:13 GMT
#107
On February 15 2009 16:36 theKnife wrote:
4 toed statue is possibly related to the temple the smoke monster is guarding/lives in -- it had Egyptian heiroglyphics all over it and the 4 toed statue seems to fit with that theme.


i think this is likely, seeing as thy still havnt really even explained the smoke monster itself, aside from calling it a guardian
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 03:12:02
February 19 2009 03:11 GMT
#108
great episode tonight, I thought them getting back to the island would take a loot longer than this.
ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
February 19 2009 03:13 GMT
#109
UGHHHHH

SPOILER TAGS SPOILER TAGS SPOILER TAGS SPOILER TAGS SPOILER TAGS SPOILER TAGS SPOILER TAGS SPOILER TAGS SPOILER TAGS SPOILER TAGS SPOILER TAGS SPOILER TAGS
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 19 2009 03:25 GMT
#110
don't look at the thread then
ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 03:53:25
February 19 2009 03:52 GMT
#111
i watch LOST on the ABC website and I don't even know when new episodes air on TV. i just watched episode 5 online and came here for discussion. is it really necessary for you to be a stubborn prick, considering how little effort it takes to go back and edit your post. it's common courtesy. everybody else in this thread could be bothered to make the effort, why are you being such an ass about it?
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
February 19 2009 04:23 GMT
#112
The thread says season 5 in the title.
;o
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
February 19 2009 05:06 GMT
#113
season 5, episode 5, which is the episode before the one zulu is talking about.
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
stanley_
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States816 Posts
February 19 2009 05:21 GMT
#114
Did jack say "al suicided" instead of locke?
hoorah
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 10:33:00
February 19 2009 10:29 GMT
#115
nothing occurs to people that Jin can speak English now?
Jin was totally wtf at the end, with Dharma suit and like new car.

+ Show Spoiler [lol prediction] +
could Jacob be Charles's dad? cuz of his time traveling.....
NotSupporting
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1998 Posts
February 19 2009 11:35 GMT
#116
What did the letter say? I just couldn't read it: I *something* you had believed me (?)
SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5423 Posts
February 19 2009 12:17 GMT
#117
"wish", NotSupporting.

Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
February 19 2009 20:26 GMT
#118
really cool episode :o
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Makhno
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Sweden585 Posts
February 19 2009 20:32 GMT
#119
Ben is so awesome, he always drops the best lines and does the coolest things.

Jack: What's going to happen to the other people on this plane?
Ben: Who cares?
"If I think, everything is lost"
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 22:11:32
February 19 2009 22:04 GMT
#120
On February 20 2009 05:26 Orome wrote:
really cool episode :o

I thought it was really sub par imo.

+ Show Spoiler +
40% of the episode was Farraday's mom explaining how shit was gonna go down, which wasn't really that stimulating. The characters were asking questions that were figured out by the audience a few episodes ago, and then another 40% of the episode was the drama of "dealing" with going back, etc, which was just getting old at this point. All of this hardly made room for any really interesting plot development, rather it was more like the writers just were like using this episode as a boring segway for explaining how they were going to get back. For a show that draws viewers back because of it's ludicrous plot twists, it really was just like hell trying to watch the first 30 minutes.

The return of Lapidus, Jin as a part of Dharma, and Ben being Ben (wtf happened to him) were the only things worth watching, and that all happened in the last 10-15 minutes. I really enjoyed the last couple episodes, and this one just sucked majorly in comparison.

Possibly interesting parts, (like how Hugo knew about the plan, what Kate did with the kid, etc.) when inquired about were answered with "DON'T EVER ASK ME THAT AGAIN." or "Does that really matter right now?" YES! It does fucking matter! I mean I'm all cool with the writers deciding to withhold stuff from the viewer, but when you do so by making your characters act retarded it doesn't do anything but frustrate.
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Epicfailguy
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Norway893 Posts
February 19 2009 22:37 GMT
#121
I thought this episode was really great, and I said to myself that this is the best series ever made when I was done with it.

I dont know what, but theres something about lost that I really really enjoy, I just love it.
TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
February 20 2009 00:42 GMT
#122
i thought it was good. moved things alone nicely.

Next weeks ep. is apparently a locke centric one, that was originally ment to be aired this week, but once they were both filmed they put them up in this order cause it made more sence apparently.

with jin being all dharmad out, a while back i saw an ad with everyone like that, so its looking like that wasnt just a hoax everyone will prob join up. Im assuming the time shifts will have stopped now, so their stuck in the dharma time
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cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-24 07:02:05
February 24 2009 07:01 GMT
#123
I bet anything that Ben was all torn up because he killed Penny. Ben is sick and twisted but I fucking love that guy. This gives Desmond a reason to come back as well, although I don't see how he will manage it.
cava!
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
February 24 2009 07:10 GMT
#124
To me it looks like after Locke left, the flashes stopped, but they were stuck in Dharma time and they had to survive somehow, so they joined Dharma and when the Oceanic 6 return, there'll be one last flash and they'll be back in 'their' time.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
i_heart_nukes
Profile Joined February 2009
United States21 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-24 08:12:11
February 24 2009 08:11 GMT
#125
On February 20 2009 07:04 p4NDemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2009 05:26 Orome wrote:
really cool episode :o

I thought it was really sub par imo.

40% of the episode was Farraday's mom explaining how shit was gonna go down, which wasn't really that stimulating. The characters were asking questions that were figured out by the audience a few episodes ago, and then another 40% of the episode was the drama of "dealing" with going back, etc, which was just getting old at this point. All of this hardly made room for any really interesting plot development, rather it was more like the writers just were like using this episode as a boring segway for explaining how they were going to get back. For a show that draws viewers back because of it's ludicrous plot twists, it really was just like hell trying to watch the first 30 minutes.

The return of Lapidus, Jin as a part of Dharma, and Ben being Ben (wtf happened to him) were the only things worth watching, and that all happened in the last 10-15 minutes. I really enjoyed the last couple episodes, and this one just sucked majorly in comparison.

Possibly interesting parts, (like how Hugo knew about the plan, what Kate did with the kid, etc.) when inquired about were answered with "DON'T EVER ASK ME THAT AGAIN." or "Does that really matter right now?" YES! It does fucking matter! I mean I'm all cool with the writers deciding to withhold stuff from the viewer, but when you do so by making your characters act retarded it doesn't do anything but frustrate.


A solid number of Lost fans finished watching these time-travel episodes scratching their heads. It's necessary for the writers to explain to these folks what's "gonna go down," because they don't want to lose viewers. For those of us who are familiar with scifi weirdness and gonzo story-telling, this is explanation process is tedious, but it's the price you pay for having such a zany show break into the mainstream. It sucks, but oh well.

As for the quality of the overall episode, I respectfully disagree. How the Oceanic 6 return is pretty important to what's about to happen next, and I thought the build up to the flight and the "possibly interesting parts" you identified were all really entertaining. Anyway, Wednesday's episode is going to be killer. And it's kind of par for the course that Lost's writers lead into a dynamite episode with blander fare.

Seriously, this weeks ep is going to own so much, it's not even funny.
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
February 24 2009 08:52 GMT
#126
If Locke is not live and walking next ep, then its going to be all flashback of how and why he died.
i_heart_nukes
Profile Joined February 2009
United States21 Posts
February 24 2009 09:00 GMT
#127
In some of the promos you seem him talking to the law enforcement officer who escorted Sayyid onto the plane, and it looked like they were on a beach (the island?). He says "I remember dying." Makes me think ol' John's back. But it could be an epic fake, I dunno.

Check it out: Promo


zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 26 2009 04:45 GMT
#128
WTF
TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
February 26 2009 04:51 GMT
#129
my TV is broken. So pissed i have to wait to see it
Dwell
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 26 2009 04:57 GMT
#130
can probably catch it online somewhere
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
February 26 2009 05:10 GMT
#131
You didn't miss much to be honest.
We learned something new but other than that, you really didn't miss much.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 26 2009 05:11 GMT
#132
ya but that something was wtf
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
February 26 2009 05:20 GMT
#133
Most of the episode was very blah, but it's good to have Ben back .
omfghi2u2
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States831 Posts
February 26 2009 06:08 GMT
#134
Not much was missed. Had some small fillers though.

Hurley seems to be very funny lately.
cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
February 26 2009 06:14 GMT
#135
Hurley has always been the comedic relief. Lately though Ben has been on a roll with things like
"Whats gonna happen to the rest of the people on the plane?"
Ben: "Who cares?"
cava!
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9619 Posts
February 26 2009 06:16 GMT
#136
the best line of the season thus far goes to richard
John: "What's it do?"
Richard: "It's a compass john, it points north."

i giggled for like twenty minutes after that one.
so excellent.
cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
February 26 2009 06:19 GMT
#137
Lol yeah that was good
cava!
TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
February 26 2009 15:45 GMT
#138
when i first saw the guy from fringe in the show, i was semi-praying for a crossover deal, but it seems that isnt gunna happen now

charles was talking about a war earlier whpo would the sides be?
did he assume ben an locke would be opposing eachother, not to mention all those noobs on the island who are gunna stir shit up, that dude who got a sawed off?

so yea WTF pretty much sums things up
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Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
February 26 2009 15:54 GMT
#139
I didn't really like this episode, not enough was answered, more questions were added
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
ToT)OjKa(
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Korea (South)2437 Posts
February 26 2009 16:20 GMT
#140
+ Show Spoiler +
BEN MOTHER FUCKING KILLED LOCKE, IS THAT NOT ENOUGH?!
OjKa OjKa OjKa!
Quanticfograw
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States2053 Posts
February 26 2009 17:04 GMT
#141
ROFL yeah i'd say something big happened this episode but more questions were opened
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Epicfailguy
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Norway893 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-26 18:16:17
February 26 2009 18:14 GMT
#142
On February 27 2009 00:45 TryThis wrote:
when i first saw the guy from fringe in the show, i was semi-praying for a crossover deal, but it seems that isnt gunna happen now

charles was talking about a war earlier whpo would the sides be?
did he assume ben an locke would be opposing eachother, not to mention all those noobs on the island who are gunna stir shit up, that dude who got a sawed off?

so yea WTF pretty much sums things up

This is what I think:

Theres a reason to why Charles was banished from the island.
Most likely because he wanted to do something against its will, exploit it in some way or whatever, regardless Ben decided to get rid of him, possibly acting on orders from jacob.

Charles said something like "theres a war comming, and if you're not there, the wrong side wins"
He didnt say good or bad, just wrong.

Now think about this, Locke was told by that guy who plays in batman begins and stargate sg1 that he had to die in order to bring the people back.
The guy down the well said "Thats why they call it sacrifice".
The dude down the well was well aware of the fact that Locke needed to die, and when Locke mentioned the name of the old lady in the church after the whole "dont kill yourself"-scene, Ben killed him right away.

When Locke said that name, Ben knew what was going on, and acted on what "the island" wanted him to do, in other words Ben is good. Charles is bad.
The war will be between Charles and the people/beeings on the island.
Simply because Charles is a bitter fucking asshole who wants to screw people over couse he got owned when trying to pull something, back in the days.
dranjam
Profile Joined May 2008
Poland198 Posts
February 26 2009 18:54 GMT
#143
I think you got it all wrong since Charles said "if you're not there, the wrong side wins" meaning it's in his interest that John goes back to the island. But Ben, despite of what he did, also tries to get Locke back. I think Charles and Ben have common interest and maybe a common enemy.

Maybe Richard? But he also wants John back so...
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight with you, then you win.
Epicfailguy
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Norway893 Posts
February 26 2009 19:06 GMT
#144
Well its obvious that Locke has some kinda of special powers, and Charles will probably try to manipulate him in and turn him against Ben in order to win the war.
ktp
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States797 Posts
February 26 2009 19:09 GMT
#145
Ben is ganna shit his pants when he wakes up to find that Jesus himself has been recsurrected.
TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
February 26 2009 20:05 GMT
#146
On February 27 2009 04:09 ktp wrote:
Ben is ganna shit his pants when he wakes up to find that Jesus himself has been recsurrected.


if my Jesus you mean locke then i dunno, i think he is expecting him to come back.
I think Ben knows Jacks father is alive on the island. Which also makes me wonder what brole he's going to play, because jack must know he's alive for sure, and will know 100% when he sees locke alive. I mean think about he, he saw he dads empty coffin already. Aswell as following his dad around in the jungle a few times

and this just gives me more questions. Its a horrid cycle that ive got myself trapt in
Dwell
Ichigo1234551
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States649 Posts
February 26 2009 20:17 GMT
#147
cant wait for next week epsisode lol
I think Lost is the best show on TV ever!
I WILL DESTROY YOU IN 2009 OK???????????????
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
February 27 2009 03:35 GMT
#148
On February 27 2009 05:05 TryThis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2009 04:09 ktp wrote:
Ben is ganna shit his pants when he wakes up to find that Jesus himself has been recsurrected.


if my Jesus you mean locke then i dunno, i think he is expecting him to come back.
I think Ben knows Jacks father is alive on the island. Which also makes me wonder what brole he's going to play, because jack must know he's alive for sure, and will know 100% when he sees locke alive. I mean think about he, he saw he dads empty coffin already. Aswell as following his dad around in the jungle a few times

and this just gives me more questions. Its a horrid cycle that ive got myself trapt in

John never told Ben what Jacob said to him (that John had to die in order to get everyone back). Ben also said "goodbye I'll miss you" after he killed him so I think he killed John thinking he was going to stay that way lol.

This is probably the best episode of the season so far. It explains so much. I am especially glad John came back alive; he is by far the most interesting character on the show. I honestly don't know who to trust now: Ben or Charles... neither can really be trusted.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-27 04:35:14
February 27 2009 03:42 GMT
#149
+ Show Spoiler +
I'm really disappointed they killed off Abbadon, guy was the #1 mysterious character left on the show goddamnit


awesome episode imo
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7218 Posts
February 27 2009 03:49 GMT
#150
On February 27 2009 12:42 Orome wrote:
I'm really disappointed they killed off Abbadon, guy was the #1 mysterious character left on the show goddamnit

awesome episode imo

he'll probably be back
Entusman #12
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
February 27 2009 04:16 GMT
#151
On February 27 2009 12:42 Orome wrote:
I'm really disappointed they killed off Abbadon, guy was the #1 mysterious character left on the show goddamnit

awesome episode imo


+ Show Spoiler +
USE SPOILER TAAAAAAAGS GOD DAAAAAAAAAMN
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cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
February 27 2009 04:35 GMT
#152
On February 27 2009 13:16 D10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2009 12:42 Orome wrote:
I'm really disappointed they killed off Abbadon, guy was the #1 mysterious character left on the show goddamnit

awesome episode imo


+ Show Spoiler +
USE SPOILER TAAAAAAAGS GOD DAAAAAAAAAMN


I don't see how you can go into a thread about the current season and expect not to get spoiled.
cava!
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
February 27 2009 04:35 GMT
#153
oh shit, sorry t_t
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
February 27 2009 06:02 GMT
#154

On February 27 2009 12:42 Orome wrote:
I'm really disappointed they killed off Abbadon, guy was the #1 mysterious character left on the show goddamnit

awesome episode imo


agreed, i had high hope for him

also, honestly, look at the other posts, they give away so much more then this, spoilers in this thread are kinda redundant
Dwell
cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
February 27 2009 06:41 GMT
#155
I don't like the fact that they killed him so soon as well, but what really ticked me off before was when they killed off danielle. She survived 16 years on the island just to get shot without telling her story. Yeah we got to see a few minutes of her past but that was not the whole story. They definately need to revisit that.
cava!
TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
March 05 2009 04:40 GMT
#156

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Ichigo1234551
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States649 Posts
March 05 2009 06:14 GMT
#157
just watched episode 8. damn they are like back in time now

kinda gay
I WILL DESTROY YOU IN 2009 OK???????????????
cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
March 05 2009 06:34 GMT
#158
You had to have seen that coming ... I liked this episode a lot. We got a glimpse of the ancient statue right before their last time warp. It appeared to be egyptian, and is consistant with an egyptian god with only 4 toes (cant remember the gods name). Also, there have been many sightings of hyroglyphics throughtout the show including when the hatch went past 0, inside the wheel room, and the temple that the smoke monster appears to be guarding. Richard also appears not to age, maybe he is an ancient egyptian pharoah? They made it a point to say that he wears eye linar, which egyptians did do. Also, the islands "exit point" for the person who moves the island is tunisia, very close to egypt. Wasnt the black rock also a slave ship set sail from somewhere in africa?

After all this lost seems to be all about ancient egypt. LOL. Man I love this show though.
cava!
Abydos1
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States832 Posts
March 05 2009 07:08 GMT
#159
On March 05 2009 13:40 TryThis wrote:

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That graphs wrong, they explain plenty of stuff--they only raise more questions by doing it though.
"...perhaps the greatest joy possible in Starcraft, being accused of being a maphacker" - Day[9]
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
March 05 2009 07:14 GMT
#160
I just want to know what is the black smoke. Ive followed 5 seasons just to know what it is, i dont care if the island blows up or everybody dies. More black smoke! and chicks for sure.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
omfghi2u2
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States831 Posts
March 05 2009 07:25 GMT
#161
i FUCKING hate how they play so many commercials. Mother of fuck it pisses me off. Then the last 5 seconds they put a cliff hanger so that more dumbasses like me can tune next week only to be bombarded by another 40 minutes of commercials, 19 minutes of nothing happening, 55 seconds of build up and 5 seconds of something actually happening.
stuthedog
Profile Joined November 2006
Burundi262 Posts
March 05 2009 08:23 GMT
#162
here's the state of my interest in lost: ive seen every episode but have stopped after the third episode of this season. it seems like the show is going backwards in a sideways sort of way and ive lost interest -- totally bored earlier, the show came on and it was locke suddenly alive again and with some more survivors. have no idea if theyre new, or if theyre from the past. didnt care and i flipped to the news instead.

still like the office though.
Quanticfograw
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States2053 Posts
March 05 2009 08:29 GMT
#163
i love the office but lost ist still good but this episode just made tons more questions. i want to go and ask a few questions because i have no clue who the main charecter of this episode, the guy who was the leader of darhma, where have i seen him before? he gave bens dad a job if i recall and if i saw ben there I'd just kill him, or kill the dad.
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ktp
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States797 Posts
March 05 2009 08:55 GMT
#164
On March 05 2009 16:14 malongo wrote:
I just want to know what is the black smoke. Ive followed 5 seasons just to know what it is, i dont care if the island blows up or everybody dies. More black smoke! and chicks for sure.


My guess is that the black smoke "corrects" the island timeline. For example if there is 2 of you co-existing within one time, the black smoke kills one of you so theres only one of you. Like when Charlotte's body goes back in time, it "dissapears" because she already exists as a child version of herself.

More chicks? More Juliet.

On March 05 2009 17:29 likeaboss wrote:
ithe guy who was the leader of darhma, where have i seen him before?


One of this Losties (Locke I think) had a flashback where he/she saw Horce chopping down a tree.
And his body was found in that giant pit of dead bodies shown in one of the earlier seasons. He had his dharma worksuit and nametag on him.
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
March 05 2009 10:02 GMT
#165
On March 05 2009 17:55 ktp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2009 16:14 malongo wrote:
I just want to know what is the black smoke. Ive followed 5 seasons just to know what it is, i dont care if the island blows up or everybody dies. More black smoke! and chicks for sure.


My guess is that the black smoke "corrects" the island timeline. For example if there is 2 of you co-existing within one time, the black smoke kills one of you so theres only one of you. Like when Charlotte's body goes back in time, it "dissapears" because she already exists as a child version of herself.

More chicks? More Juliet.

Show nested quote +
On March 05 2009 17:29 likeaboss wrote:
ithe guy who was the leader of darhma, where have i seen him before?


One of this Losties (Locke I think) had a flashback where he/she saw Horce chopping down a tree.
And his body was found in that giant pit of dead bodies shown in one of the earlier seasons. He had his dharma worksuit and nametag on him.

I doubt the black smoke is that, and obvioulsy no one of the characters know what it is exactly, remember that the black smoke attacked several guys. And for the chicks i love Charlotte i just cant get again from her eyes.
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Nazarene
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Denmark996 Posts
March 05 2009 10:29 GMT
#166
Hmm, I don't get why they didn't just take that submarine back to civilization?
They could've ended the series right there :p

Also, what the hell happened to all the other survivors from the plane? It's like they've been forgotten, unless something happened to them that I can't remember.
ToT)OjKa(
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Korea (South)2437 Posts
March 05 2009 13:44 GMT
#167
i swear these last few episodes have just got confusing as fuck. I know what is happening but i don't know what the fuck is going on
OjKa OjKa OjKa!
dm47
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
82 Posts
March 05 2009 14:42 GMT
#168
On March 05 2009 19:29 Nazarene wrote:
Hmm, I don't get why they didn't just take that submarine back to civilization?
They could've ended the series right there :p

Also, what the hell happened to all the other survivors from the plane? It's like they've been forgotten, unless something happened to them that I can't remember.

I was wondering the exact same thing. I can't remember exactly what happened... when did Juliet, Sawyer, the asian dude and Daniel separate from the dozens of other survivers? And... wouldn't the other survivers be experiencing the same flashes as them? Or were some of the survivers killed on the boat when it blew up. FUCK i can't remember. I wish they would explain that, or maybe someone here can tell me why I'm confused.

Also, you know how Whitmore told Locke that the Oceanic 6 had been living life for 3 years? I'm having trouble converting that to island time. So, Sawyer and his party went back in time to a point 3 years BEFORE the Oceanic Six showed up (but also back in time). I wonder when/if they'll all get back to the normal time.
I hate optimists.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
March 05 2009 15:38 GMT
#169
They left them behind when they went to the hatch, then they just seemed to forget about them.

Horace was the guy who hired Ben's dad, he was killed in the purge later. He also appeared in one of Locke's dreams.

godawful episode imho, Sawyer picking flowers, the super-annoying love triangle getting even more ridiculous and nothing at all important happening.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 05 2009 16:08 GMT
#170
On March 05 2009 23:42 dm47 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2009 19:29 Nazarene wrote:
Hmm, I don't get why they didn't just take that submarine back to civilization?
They could've ended the series right there :p

Also, what the hell happened to all the other survivors from the plane? It's like they've been forgotten, unless something happened to them that I can't remember.

I was wondering the exact same thing. I can't remember exactly what happened... when did Juliet, Sawyer, the asian dude and Daniel separate from the dozens of other survivers? And... wouldn't the other survivers be experiencing the same flashes as them? Or were some of the survivers killed on the boat when it blew up. FUCK i can't remember. I wish they would explain that, or maybe someone here can tell me why I'm confused.

Also, you know how Whitmore told Locke that the Oceanic 6 had been living life for 3 years? I'm having trouble converting that to island time. So, Sawyer and his party went back in time to a point 3 years BEFORE the Oceanic Six showed up (but also back in time). I wonder when/if they'll all get back to the normal time.


they went back to way before that, to 1976 i think sawyer said, it's so Whitmore can't find the island because it's constantly moving through time. It's also before the purge and everything important that happened, but since the island moved back in time, 3 years has passed on and off the island.
TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
March 05 2009 16:49 GMT
#171
the only thing i was really want answers for is that dambed smoke monster. I doubt he's kill peoples doubles because in the first season he killed the pilot of the first plane.

So im guessing three years have passed on the island AND on the outside world. and that stupid love triangle is a square cause jack and kate slept together before going back a few episodes ago, you just know that'll come back.
Dwell
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
March 06 2009 21:45 GMT
#172
On March 05 2009 19:29 Nazarene wrote:
Hmm, I don't get why they didn't just take that submarine back to civilization?
They could've ended the series right there :p

that's what I said when Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid and Sun went back to civilization and look where we are now lol
SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5423 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-07 01:01:45
March 07 2009 01:01 GMT
#173
On March 05 2009 15:34 cava wrote:
You had to have seen that coming ... I liked this episode a lot. We got a glimpse of the ancient statue right before their last time warp. It appeared to be egyptian, and is consistant with an egyptian god with only 4 toes (cant remember the gods name). Also, there have been many sightings of hyroglyphics throughtout the show including when the hatch went past 0, inside the wheel room, and the temple that the smoke monster appears to be guarding. Richard also appears not to age, maybe he is an ancient egyptian pharoah? They made it a point to say that he wears eye linar, which egyptians did do. Also, the islands "exit point" for the person who moves the island is tunisia, very close to egypt. Wasnt the black rock also a slave ship set sail from somewhere in africa?

After all this lost seems to be all about ancient egypt. LOL. Man I love this show though.


From reading other forums, the Egyptian statue looks like the God Horus, which is interestingly similar to Horace's name. Also, the ankh that was around pregnant girls dead husband's neck is apparently Egyptian too.

I still like the show, but I just want it to be over so there's no more stupid questions to answer!

edit: clarity.
i_heart_nukes
Profile Joined February 2009
United States21 Posts
March 07 2009 01:17 GMT
#174
On March 05 2009 23:42 dm47 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2009 19:29 Nazarene wrote:
Hmm, I don't get why they didn't just take that submarine back to civilization?
They could've ended the series right there :p

Also, what the hell happened to all the other survivors from the plane? It's like they've been forgotten, unless something happened to them that I can't remember.

I was wondering the exact same thing. I can't remember exactly what happened... when did Juliet, Sawyer, the asian dude and Daniel separate from the dozens of other survivers? And... wouldn't the other survivers be experiencing the same flashes as them? Or were some of the survivers killed on the boat when it blew up. FUCK i can't remember. I wish they would explain that, or maybe someone here can tell me why I'm confused.

Also, you know how Whitmore told Locke that the Oceanic 6 had been living life for 3 years? I'm having trouble converting that to island time. So, Sawyer and his party went back in time to a point 3 years BEFORE the Oceanic Six showed up (but also back in time). I wonder when/if they'll all get back to the normal time.


You mean the other survivors from the first plane? Most of them were killed in the flaming arrows attack, save your main characters. A bunch kicked it when the freighter blew up as well. The "red shirts" are dead, as the lead writers put it.

My best guess as to the apparent time incongruities is this: Moving the island can lead to unpredictable results. If you remember, when Ben moved the island he appeared in the Tunisian desert, "the exit," as Whitmore called it. He iced a couple dudes and stole their horses and made his way to a hotel in Tunisia. When he gets to the front desk, he asks the women if it's 2005 and she says yes. Ben's apparent uncertainty suggests that the mover of the island may exit at different time than it "should" be, based on the amount of time elapsed on the island.

So it's possible that when Locke turns the wheel and moves the island, he exited 3 years after he left. During that time, all the events we witnessed (Hurley going back to Santa Rosa, Jack and Kate hooking up and almost getting married, Sayyid killing fools for Ben, etc) have already transpired. Ditto for those on the island. As we saw in the last episode, Sawyer, Juliet, Miles, etc made a life for themselves in the Dharma Initiative.

This assumes that time passes on and off the island at roughly the same rate. But if you go back to what we learned about the freighter that is either incorrect (because of the doctor washing up on the island before he was murdered) OR the island is off some in time OR fuck i don't know. I can't really explain the freighter time weirdness.
Faronel
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States658 Posts
March 07 2009 02:27 GMT
#175
One question... How could Jin be caught in the flash, and not the Oceanic 6 (who were close to the island than Jin was when the freighter exploded)?
C'est la vie...
ocoini
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
648 Posts
March 07 2009 02:41 GMT
#176
I'm thinking they manage to warn charlie somehow now, and he comes back alive ;D
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2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9502 Posts
March 07 2009 02:59 GMT
#177
Interesting fact from Lostpedia mysteries section.

Totals:
111 mysteries : 30 Solved / 46 Partially solved / 35 Unsolved

God I love this show.
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
ktp
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States797 Posts
March 07 2009 05:40 GMT
#178
On March 05 2009 19:29 Nazarene wrote:
Hmm, I don't get why they didn't just take that submarine back to civilization?
They could've ended the series right there :p


They could take the submarine, but then they would have to come back to the island somehow. Remember, Locke believes that everyone is on the Island for a reason, and he is absolutely right. Nobody goes back to their normal life. Jack becomes an alcoholic, Michael becomes suicidal, Hugo starts seeing dead people, etc. Staying on the island is their fate. Locke was trying to convince everyone that everyone was destined to crash and stay on the island the entire time, and nobody believed him until he died.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
March 07 2009 19:07 GMT
#179
On March 07 2009 11:27 Faronel wrote:
One question... How could Jin be caught in the flash, and not the Oceanic 6 (who were close to the island than Jin was when the freighter exploded)?


hm yeah, that doesn't seem to make sense. does anyone have an explanation for this?
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
March 07 2009 19:20 GMT
#180
On March 08 2009 04:07 Orome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2009 11:27 Faronel wrote:
One question... How could Jin be caught in the flash, and not the Oceanic 6 (who were close to the island than Jin was when the freighter exploded)?


hm yeah, that doesn't seem to make sense. does anyone have an explanation for this?


taking a wild guess, they were airborn and moving away from the island right?
jin was in the water actually swimming TOWARD the island
maybe since he was in the water he held his ties to the island, cause otherwise well...he would have drowned
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Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
March 07 2009 19:24 GMT
#181
No, they were moving back to the island because the freighter had exploded. Maybe them being in the air can explain it, but it does seem a little farfetched.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20019 Posts
March 07 2009 21:58 GMT
#182
On March 07 2009 11:59 2Pacalypse- wrote:
Interesting fact from Lostpedia mysteries section.

Totals:
111 mysteries : 30 Solved / 46 Partially solved / 35 Unsolved

God I love this show.


wow that site is great
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-10 05:47:18
March 10 2009 05:35 GMT
#183
I took this from a guys post on lost-forum.com which supports the egyptian theory.

Originally Posted by tucker672
Ra – Richard Albert
Ra was the almost universally-worshipped king of the gods and all-father of creation. Ra is the most central god of the Egyptian pantheon. He is the only god, apart from Osiris, who is definitely said to be not on the earth. Ra, it is said, is an aging god, still powerful, but too old to deal with his children any longer, so he has gone exclusively to the sky to watch over the world.

My Comment: He is definitely an ageing God, just not physically. We see him frequently show up in the show, but does seem as if he watches over but does not interfere however he is still powerful and his authority never challenged, in the present at least. He is definitely not of this earth because of the entire phenomenon associated with him.

Osiris – John Locke
Throughout the height of Egyptian civilization, Osiris was the primary deity. In power, he was second only his father, Ra, and was the leader of the gods on earth. Osiris resided in the underworld as the lord of the dead, as after being killed by Set.

My Comment: He definitely does listen and follow Richard and does do what he says. He now resides in the underworld because he was killed.

Set – Ben
Set was one of ancient Egypt's earliest gods, a god of chaos, confusion, storms, wind, the desert and foreign lands. He was a contender to the throne of Osiris and rival to Horus, but a companion to the sun god Ra. Originally worshiped and seen as an ambivalent being, during the Third Intermediate Period the people vilified him and turned him into a god of evil. But Seth is not an evil god: he is the god who committed the immoral and evil act of murdering his brother Osiris, but it was this vile act that allowed Osiris to fulfil his destiny and become the god of the dead. Without Seth, there would not have been life after death.

My Comment: He does use Smokey to cause damage; also he does travel to and from the island. He does rival Horus as we have found out, and definitely wants to be leader over Locke, but as we have seen has always been a companion of Richard’s. Does appear as if people now view him as evil. He did kill Locke and fulfilled the destiny of sacrifice and rebirth.

Horus – Horace
The worship of Horus was brought from the outside by neighbouring tribes who invaded and then settled into Egypt. He was their god of war; he was the protector and guide to the pharaoh on earth. He also continual battles with Set.

My Comment: Brought outside by Dharma Initiative, elevated as leader to fight the others (war). Battles with Ben but Ben and the others topple him. Also is a guide to John Locke when he shows him where the map is.

Anubis – Jacob
Anubis was the god to protect the dead and bring them to the afterlife. The distinctive black color of Anubis “with the black soil of the Nile valley, symbolizing rebirth."

My Comment: Does seem to control the dead as we have seen with Jack’s dad and advising others.

Ammit- Smokey
Ammit is described as "The Devourer" patron of destruction of the souls of the wicked. Ammit sits beneath the Scales of Justice, waiting for the souls to be judged. If the soul is found to be more wicked than good, Anibus feeds it to Ammit.

My Comment:This describes Smokey very well, also beneath the scales beneath the temple where Jacob previously resided.
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Epicfailguy
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Norway893 Posts
March 16 2009 14:41 GMT
#184
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Alsar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States130 Posts
March 17 2009 09:55 GMT
#185
I stopped watching Lost after the 2nd season because I missed a lot of episodes, then got confused and just gave up. I kind of want to get back into watching it again and catch up but it seems like such a daunting task now that there are so many episodes to catch up on.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
March 17 2009 10:07 GMT
#186
Yeah, that's a problem with their approach to Lost that can't really be solved. They have to try to keep old viewers since it's hard for the show to pick up new ones. But apparently they have the 'explanation' episodes where the writers have a running commentary about what's going on and stuff. I dunno. I actually only missed the second season, but caught up with it right away before the third season, so I've never had that problem.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 26 2009 02:04 GMT
#187
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So what does killing the teenage Ben mean? Will the present Ben die instantly? Or can the teenage Ben never be killed since he had already lived to his present age in the original timeline?
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
March 26 2009 03:23 GMT
#188
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From my understanding of the Lost universe, teenage Ben can't be killed. Still wondering where the burning bus came from though. I figured they would show Sayid lighting Jin's bus up and sending it at the camp to distract Dharma while he got away, but it never happened.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 26 2009 03:33 GMT
#189
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man sayid should've really shot him more than one time, go up close and shoot him in the head a couple of times to make sure he's dead or something.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
March 26 2009 22:28 GMT
#190
On March 26 2009 12:23 GGQ wrote:
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From my understanding of the Lost universe, teenage Ben can't be killed. Still wondering where the burning bus came from though. I figured they would show Sayid lighting Jin's bus up and sending it at the camp to distract Dharma while he got away, but it never happened.


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I presume it was engineered by young linus as a distraction
Faronel
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States658 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-27 00:10:08
March 27 2009 00:09 GMT
#191
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I'm with zulu on this one, but obviously Ben isn't going to die; he was wearing a conveniently placed something.
C'est la vie...
TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
March 27 2009 00:17 GMT
#192
ns obviously going to be back, he;s far too important to the show, think about it, if teenage ben doesnt get to betray his people to the others what happens then?
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Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
March 27 2009 00:48 GMT
#193
man that episode sucked

but I own the shirt that kid ben was wearing! The one w/ stripes and all.
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littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7218 Posts
March 27 2009 00:53 GMT
#194
On March 27 2009 07:28 talismania wrote:
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On March 26 2009 12:23 GGQ wrote:
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From my understanding of the Lost universe, teenage Ben can't be killed. Still wondering where the burning bus came from though. I figured they would show Sayid lighting Jin's bus up and sending it at the camp to distract Dharma while he got away, but it never happened.


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I presume it was engineered by young linus as a distraction

er, didn't it happen after the fire? wasn't jin on his way to the fire to help?
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2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9502 Posts
March 27 2009 01:00 GMT
#195
On March 27 2009 09:48 Sunyveil wrote:
man that episode sucked

but I own the shirt that kid ben was wearing! The one w/ stripes and all.

You DO realize the show is set in 70's now?

On March 26 2009 12:23 GGQ wrote:
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From my understanding of the Lost universe, teenage Ben can't be killed. Still wondering where the burning bus came from though. I figured they would show Sayid lighting Jin's bus up and sending it at the camp to distract Dharma while he got away, but it never happened.

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Yeah I agree that Ben probably can't die. Remember that Locke is still alive^^
Maybe the island is course-correcting things as they should be or something...

And I thought it was pretty obvious that burning bus was set by young Ben as a distraction while rescuing Sayid.

Anyways, here's a pretty good review of last episode.

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D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
March 27 2009 02:07 GMT
#196
As soon as sayid got out of prison I said to my friend "watch hes gonna kill ben"

Well I was right in the end.
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ToT)OjKa(
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Korea (South)2437 Posts
March 27 2009 03:19 GMT
#197
that ain't falco
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omfghi2u2
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States831 Posts
March 27 2009 04:46 GMT
#198
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Wouldnt ben recognize Sayid since they had an actual conversation, if Widmore was able to recognize Locke after one line?

I dont recall Ben recognizing Sayid in Season 2...
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
March 27 2009 04:53 GMT
#199
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he says 'I want lists in 3 days' to Ethan before Ethan runs off, he was definitely very well informed of who exactly was on that plane before he saw Sayid face to face the first time.
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EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-27 06:08:44
March 27 2009 06:08 GMT
#200
On March 27 2009 13:46 omfghi2u2 wrote:
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Wouldnt ben recognize Sayid since they had an actual conversation, if Widmore was able to recognize Locke after one line?

I dont recall Ben recognizing Sayid in Season 2...


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He might have recognized sayid and just not have said anything. Also, in response to the above comments: yeah ben is definitely not dead from that one shot. My guess is that richard and the others will find ben, and the events will unfold like they should for the dharma initiative to get screwed over. And what ben said earlier to sayid at that habitat for humanity place makes more sense now; it's as if ben was remembering the time when sayid shot him as a kid and was simply alluding to that event when he told sayid.
omfghi2u2
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States831 Posts
March 27 2009 06:15 GMT
#201
On March 27 2009 15:08 EpiK wrote:
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On March 27 2009 13:46 omfghi2u2 wrote:
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Wouldnt ben recognize Sayid since they had an actual conversation, if Widmore was able to recognize Locke after one line?

I dont recall Ben recognizing Sayid in Season 2...


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He might have recognized sayid and just not have said anything. Also, in response to the above comments: yeah ben is definitely not dead from that one shot. My guess is that richard and the others will find ben, and the events will unfold like they should for the dharma initiative to get screwed over. And what ben said earlier to sayid at that habitat for humanity place makes more sense now; it's as if ben was remembering the time when sayid shot him as a kid and was simply alluding to that event when he told sayid.


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But didn't ben say when he first say sayid in season 2 are you here to torture me? Or am I thinking of someone else.
MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
March 27 2009 06:17 GMT
#202
On March 27 2009 07:28 talismania wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2009 12:23 GGQ wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
From my understanding of the Lost universe, teenage Ben can't be killed. Still wondering where the burning bus came from though. I figured they would show Sayid lighting Jin's bus up and sending it at the camp to distract Dharma while he got away, but it never happened.

+ Show Spoiler +
I presume it was engineered by young linus as a distraction


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I figured they would show Sayid lighting Jin's bus up and sending it at the camp to distract Dharma while he got away

As in torching a second bus and sending it to the camp for more lulz. Obviously Ben did the first one.
MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
March 27 2009 06:20 GMT
#203
But didn't ben say when he first say sayid in season 2 are you here to torture me? Or am I thinking of someone else.

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Why didn't he ask anyone else if they were going to torture him? Maybe because he already knew who Sayid was. Also, Ben lies and doesn't give information when it doesn't help him. And he was trying to pass for a "not other". Saying "OH HAI I remember you from years back" wouldn't exactly sell his story of being a survivor of a recent balloon wreck.
ktp
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States797 Posts
March 27 2009 06:39 GMT
#204
Where is Faraday in all of this? Did he run off or something?
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
March 27 2009 06:56 GMT
#205
Sawyer said he was with them for a while, but didn't explain were he is now.
Neak
Profile Joined March 2009
United Kingdom124 Posts
March 27 2009 11:37 GMT
#206
On March 27 2009 15:39 ktp wrote:
Where is Faraday in all of this? Did he run off or something?


I think Sawyer said he left the village or something. My guess is he is working with that Asian Professor, the guy from the videos, damn cant remember his name.
Epicfailguy
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Norway893 Posts
March 27 2009 12:40 GMT
#207
Btw in case you guys havent noticed, there's a lot of dharma movies on youtube from some lost convetions etc, where you can dr marvin candle or whatever he choose to call himself, talk about time travel and such, and you can see faraway there as well. Something about having to reinstate the dharma initiative couse they'd traveled in time and apparently cant change shit, so they're stuck

EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
April 03 2009 14:50 GMT
#208
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stupid sayid. He should've shot ben in the head.
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
April 03 2009 15:25 GMT
#209
On April 03 2009 23:50 EpiK wrote:
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stupid sayid. He should've shot ben in the head.

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you may still survive a shot in the head, and the way Ben is being healed I bet it can heal any wound... perhaps he even has to die in order to be healed. we do not know what's going to happen.
dragonmax
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States131 Posts
April 04 2009 02:28 GMT
#210
the islands healing properties saved ben, he is very important so the island saved him
Faronel
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States658 Posts
April 04 2009 14:56 GMT
#211
So the when Ben called Sayid a killer, that phrase came outta nowhere:

Ben told Sayid that he's a killer in Haiti, and then Sayid goes back in time to tell Ben that "you're right, I am a killer." In the end Ben would have no reason for saying that you're a killer if Sayid hadn't told him that in the Ben's past.
C'est la vie...
Marine50
Profile Joined September 2007
Australia1764 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-04 23:36:20
April 04 2009 23:33 GMT
#212
On April 04 2009 11:28 dragonmax wrote:
the islands healing properties saved ben, he is very important so the island saved him


I don't think the normal healing properties saved Ben, as they did with Locke, Rose and some others. This time Richard had to take Ben into the temple to heal him and stated he wont be the same again. This type of healing is almost forceful with some consequences that Ben will have to face in the future (post-1977)
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meathook
Profile Joined December 2007
1289 Posts
April 05 2009 00:05 GMT
#213
On April 03 2009 23:50 EpiK wrote:
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stupid sayid. He should've shot ben in the head.

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That's exactly what I thought. He is supposed to be experienced as an assassin, hired gun, torturer, etc.. yet he forgets to make 3 basic control shots to the head. Plot hole anyone??
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EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
April 05 2009 00:12 GMT
#214
On April 05 2009 09:05 meathook wrote:
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On April 03 2009 23:50 EpiK wrote:
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stupid sayid. He should've shot ben in the head.

+ Show Spoiler +
That's exactly what I thought. He is supposed to be experienced as an assassin, hired gun, torturer, etc.. yet he forgets to make 3 basic control shots to the head. Plot hole anyone??


I don't know why some comments are spoiled and some aren't, so I'll just put this one behind spoiler...

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Exactly what I was thinking. He just does one shot in the chest, briefly knocks out Jin, and leaves thinking mission accomplished? WTF?

Maybe it was necessary so we could still hear young Ben speak, which then required Jack's assistance... basically it was just for the sake of moving the plot along and showing how Jack has changed now.
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2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9502 Posts
April 05 2009 00:31 GMT
#215
On April 05 2009 09:12 EscPlan9 wrote:
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On April 05 2009 09:05 meathook wrote:
On April 03 2009 23:50 EpiK wrote:
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stupid sayid. He should've shot ben in the head.

+ Show Spoiler +
That's exactly what I thought. He is supposed to be experienced as an assassin, hired gun, torturer, etc.. yet he forgets to make 3 basic control shots to the head. Plot hole anyone??


I don't know why some comments are spoiled and some aren't, so I'll just put this one behind spoiler...

+ Show Spoiler +

Exactly what I was thinking. He just does one shot in the chest, briefly knocks out Jin, and leaves thinking mission accomplished? WTF?

Maybe it was necessary so we could still hear young Ben speak, which then required Jack's assistance... basically it was just for the sake of moving the plot along and showing how Jack has changed now.

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I don't know if you all missed this, but in episode 10 where Sayid shots Ben, it was CLEARLY in his left side of chest, specifically to his heart.

And then, in episode 11 when Jin picks up Ben, the shot is CLEARLY on right side of Ben's chest.
Now in lesser shows, this would clearly be due to lazy writers or a simple goof.
But we all know that Lost is NOT a lesser show, so whatever they showed, they showed it with a purpose.
Here's a pretty interesting review of last episode with some mind bending thinking.
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EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
April 05 2009 01:12 GMT
#216
On April 05 2009 09:31 2Pacalypse- wrote:
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On April 05 2009 09:12 EscPlan9 wrote:
On April 05 2009 09:05 meathook wrote:
On April 03 2009 23:50 EpiK wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
stupid sayid. He should've shot ben in the head.

+ Show Spoiler +
That's exactly what I thought. He is supposed to be experienced as an assassin, hired gun, torturer, etc.. yet he forgets to make 3 basic control shots to the head. Plot hole anyone??


I don't know why some comments are spoiled and some aren't, so I'll just put this one behind spoiler...

+ Show Spoiler +

Exactly what I was thinking. He just does one shot in the chest, briefly knocks out Jin, and leaves thinking mission accomplished? WTF?

Maybe it was necessary so we could still hear young Ben speak, which then required Jack's assistance... basically it was just for the sake of moving the plot along and showing how Jack has changed now.

+ Show Spoiler +

I don't know if you all missed this, but in episode 10 where Sayid shots Ben, it was CLEARLY in his left side of chest, specifically to his heart.

And then, in episode 11 when Jin picks up Ben, the shot is CLEARLY on right side of Ben's chest.
Now in lesser shows, this would clearly be due to lazy writers or a simple goof.
But we all know that Lost is NOT a lesser show, so whatever they showed, they showed it with a purpose.
Here's a pretty interesting review of last episode with some mind bending thinking.


Interesting... I definitely don't follow all those details and missed that. Thanks for sharing
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SoulMarine
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States586 Posts
April 05 2009 01:43 GMT
#217
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
April 05 2009 21:00 GMT
#218
How is Lost Season 5? I stopped watching in season 2. Did it get better?
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Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
April 05 2009 21:07 GMT
#219
I just watched seasons 1-3 ... really enjoying it.
Does anyone know where I can watch season 4 online?
I watched seasons 1-3 on tv-links.cc but that's all they have (

Anyone know of a site?
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
April 05 2009 21:11 GMT
#220
On April 06 2009 06:07 Reason wrote:
I just watched seasons 1-3 ... really enjoying it.
Does anyone know where I can watch season 4 online?
I watched seasons 1-3 on tv-links.cc but that's all they have (

Anyone know of a site?

can you access video on Hulu? http://www.hulu.com/
I don't know about hulu for foreigners. Otherwise you can get on some torrent sites and see how that works out for you.
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ktp
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States797 Posts
April 05 2009 21:16 GMT
#221
On April 06 2009 06:00 TanGeng wrote:
How is Lost Season 5? I stopped watching in season 2. Did it get better?


Season 3 is better than Season 2. Season 4 and 5 is where the plot unfolds very fast. It depends on what you like about Lost, the character development in Season 1 where the Island is just a backdrop? Or do you like the scifi/mystery elements of the show (smoke monster, time travel)?
Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-06 13:26:16
April 05 2009 21:17 GMT
#222
Only viewers within the United States can watch these full-length videos.

LAME

edit: Oh and foreigners?
I think perhaps you forget where you come from and from who the land you are now living on was stolen.

I can't torrent otherwise I would have looked there myself that's why I'm asking if anyone knows where I can watch season 4 online... I can't download it.

Thanks to Tangeng and jello_biafra I am watching Lost Season 4 Episode 1 on Hula via proxy server :D:D: thanks guys!¬
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jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6635 Posts
April 05 2009 21:19 GMT
#223
On April 06 2009 06:17 Reason wrote:
Only viewers within the United States can watch these full-length videos.

LAME

You'll have to find a US proxy server and use that.

Guide that should work: http://technicalbliss.blogspot.com/2007/04/how-to-use-free-proxy-with-firefox.html
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TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
April 05 2009 21:25 GMT
#224
i use www.surfthechannel.com and just watched streams from megavideo, and for the new episodes the ctv site has them, eg

http://watch.ctv.ca/lost/season-5/lost-ep-511-whatever-happened-happened/#clip156439
part one of the latest episode
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
April 05 2009 21:32 GMT
#225
On April 06 2009 06:17 Reason wrote:
Only viewers within the United States can watch these full-length videos.

LAME

edit: Oh and foreigners?
I think perhaps you forget where you come from and from who the land you are now living on was stolen from.

I can't torrent otherwise I would have looked there myself that's why I'm asking if anyone knows where I can watch season 4 online... I can't download it.


Buy it with some money? If you're so morally outraged about theft, try getting morally outraged at yourself. And no I didn't steal the land that I live on. It was stolen long before I got here so don't lay that crime on my doorstep.
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Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-05 21:56:38
April 05 2009 21:43 GMT
#226
Can somebody tell me WTF happened between series 3 ending and series 4? The "previously on Lost" showed me a bunch of stuff I had never seen??? and it's back in civilization with Hurley after the car chase.. they got rescued? WTF?

For Tangeng:
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I'm not morally outraged about anything and I never said I was?
I didn't accuse you of stealing the land that you live on?
I didn't attempt to "lay that crime on your doorstep".
What the fuck are you on about?

Please accept my gratitude for directing me to Hula and forget about the comment which you just misinterpreted so horribly.

Thanks again for your help.



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GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
April 05 2009 22:14 GMT
#227
On April 06 2009 06:43 Reason wrote:
Can somebody tell me WTF happened between series 3 ending and series 4? The "previously on Lost" showed me a bunch of stuff I had never seen??? and it's back in civilization with Hurley after the car chase.. they got rescued? WTF?


I don't know why the previously on lost showed you stuff you never saw; maybe you just forgot. But yes, in season four there are flash-forwards where some of the characters are off the island several years in the future.
Railxp
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Hong Kong1313 Posts
April 05 2009 22:16 GMT
#228
@2Pacalypse:
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wow that website/review was a great find, definitely food for thought. The bit about Aron was really interesting, especially since i've stumbled upon a crackpot theory early in season2 that ties Aron to Jacob. Basically my friend was theorizing that jack's whole family is heavily involved with the island. Aron is in his extended family, and he was the only one to be born on the island. And so when the article talked about how Aron seemed to not exist to other people besides kate, i was getting an uncomfortable feeling in my gut.

Feel free to poke holes in the Aron = Jacob theory, if anyone is interested.
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ktp
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States797 Posts
April 06 2009 00:57 GMT
#229
Attention: For anyone who is confused about Lost, this is the summary of the plot explained by Hugo himself.

Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-06 11:07:23
April 06 2009 07:54 GMT
#230
On April 06 2009 07:14 GGQ wrote:
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On April 06 2009 06:43 Reason wrote:
Can somebody tell me WTF happened between series 3 ending and series 4? The "previously on Lost" showed me a bunch of stuff I had never seen??? and it's back in civilization with Hurley after the car chase.. they got rescued? WTF?


I don't know why the previously on lost showed you stuff you never saw; maybe you just forgot. But yes, in season four there are flash-forwards where some of the characters are off the island several years in the future.

Thanks for explaining that, and I realised I saw stuff I hadn't seen because I only watched part 1 of 2 of the final episode of season 3.. lol dumb

GO HERE http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=nickname EPIC

ps. Sawyer would call me "Cue Ball" <3
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LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
April 07 2009 01:48 GMT
#231
Most recent episode was pretty good. I'm pretty happy with season 5 so far.
cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
April 09 2009 02:02 GMT
#232
HOLY CRAP! What an episode. Completely floored
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 09 2009 02:04 GMT
#233
wtf just happened
omfghi2u2
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States831 Posts
April 09 2009 06:54 GMT
#234
great episode.

alot of stuff happened as opposed to other episodes where nothing happens (looks at kate)
TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
April 10 2009 07:49 GMT
#235
im really glad we finally gota ben-centric episode, answered alot i found, while of course, still asking even more
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dm47
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
82 Posts
April 16 2009 02:15 GMT
#236
anyone remember what the hell happened with faraday? He was there when the dharma initiative caught Sawyer, Juliet, Jin, Miles, and himself, right? (after that girl tricked them all into walking into the fence). But then the next thing we saw was the five of them minus Faraday, living with the dharma initiative 3 years later.

all in all an interesting episode. at first I didn't think I was going to like it because of all the supernatural shit they're bringing in, but then I remembered that Locke's alive, and I've accepted that so I might as well accept Miles talking to dead people. It was inferred that they might explain it, so that might be enough for me.
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Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-16 03:09:01
April 16 2009 02:15 GMT
#237
Ok, I watched 5 seasons of lost in 2 months and now I'm completely caught up. The new episode tonight was light, but it was ok. The episode last week was absolutely fantastic though. Really looking forward to seeing the way this series ends.



Also, I liked the Miles-Hurley juxtaposition. It's really similar to the contrast between Jack and Locke; man of science versus man of faith.

Hurley talks to the dead through visions, he does it through faith. Miles believes there is a scientific way that he is doing this, he is reading the information storied in a body's brain.

Just something cool I wanted to point out.
EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
April 16 2009 02:32 GMT
#238
I really liked this episode. Miles backstory was captivating, and I loved Hurley's ideas for sending Lucas a revamped script for Empire Strikes Back. lol
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Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
April 16 2009 02:59 GMT
#239
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omfghi2u2
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States831 Posts
April 17 2009 06:36 GMT
#240
Just watched the episode. Miles backstory was great. + Show Spoiler +
totally saw the doctor being miles' dad.


For some reason, the cinematography of this episode was better then the other ones. <- my opinion. it seemed very unique and memento ish like.
Railxp
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Hong Kong1313 Posts
April 17 2009 07:06 GMT
#241
Random Potential Lost Theory:
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Eli, the old woman (present) who ben consulted with to send everyone back to the island, might be the same young blond woman who pointed a gun at them when the losties saw the nuke on the island (past).


Loved miles' episode, + Show Spoiler +
baby miles in a tiny dharma bag is soooo cute XD. cant wait till more of his story unfolds and they explain how he got his weird gift. (wife caught up in mad scientist experiment, anyone?)
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Lag
Profile Joined March 2009
Serbia22 Posts
April 17 2009 08:21 GMT
#242
On March 27 2009 13:53 Orome wrote:
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he says 'I want lists in 3 days' to Ethan before Ethan runs off, he was definitely very well informed of who exactly was on that plane before he saw Sayid face to face the first time.

ben had cancer and he needed a doctor. thats why he was so hyped about the plane. we can clearly hear robert albert that ben will forget what happened to him so he would never remember sayid.

btw, the egyptian gods theory is making more and more sense
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EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-17 08:31:56
April 17 2009 08:31 GMT
#243
On April 17 2009 17:21 Lag wrote:
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On March 27 2009 13:53 Orome wrote:
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he says 'I want lists in 3 days' to Ethan before Ethan runs off, he was definitely very well informed of who exactly was on that plane before he saw Sayid face to face the first time.

ben had cancer and he needed a doctor. thats why he was so hyped about the plane. we can clearly hear robert albert that ben will forget what happened to him so he would never remember sayid.

btw, the egyptian gods theory is making more and more sense

haha 1st post on a starcraft forum is in a Lost thread -_-
On April 17 2009 15:36 omfghi2u2 wrote:
Just watched the episode. Miles backstory was great. + Show Spoiler +
totally saw the doctor being miles' dad.


For some reason, the cinematography of this episode was better then the other ones. <- my opinion. it seemed very unique and memento ish like.

I agree. This episode was SO good. I love where the series is heading..
Lag
Profile Joined March 2009
Serbia22 Posts
April 17 2009 09:07 GMT
#244
nah, used to post all the time around 2004/05 but i forgot my pass
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cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
April 18 2009 01:22 GMT
#245
On April 17 2009 16:06 Railxp wrote:
Random Potential Lost Theory:
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Eli, the old woman (present) who ben consulted with to send everyone back to the island, might be the same young blond woman who pointed a gun at them when the losties saw the nuke on the island (past).


Pretty commonly accepted theory. I agree
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Railxp
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Hong Kong1313 Posts
April 25 2009 01:13 GMT
#246
recap episode was good! connected a few dots that i forgot about. Highly recommend anyone who wants to hop on the LOST bandwagon but cant be fucked to watch the recent seasons to watch the recap episode and join!! /endhype
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Marine50
Profile Joined September 2007
Australia1764 Posts
April 25 2009 03:59 GMT
#247
Does anyone else think that Hurley will cause the 'Incident' by trying to sabotage the Swan station in an attempt to stop it from crashing flight 815 in the future?

Judging by hurleys reaction after noticing they are building the hatch and his belief that you can change the past and alter the future, I really think this is a possibility.

Just like Sayid was trying to change the future, but actually set a chain of events that lead to Ben becoming what he is today. Hurley will try and change it to but it'll be futile and he'll just end up making the Dharma install the 108 minute computer that lead to flight 815 crashing
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Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
April 30 2009 10:26 GMT
#248
Another so sexy episode, with answers this time :D This has to be the best show ..
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Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
April 30 2009 14:54 GMT
#249
I just love Daniel Faraday episodes, most interesting ever.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-30 17:37:58
April 30 2009 17:37 GMT
#250
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So what does it mean that Faraday's mother planned to have Faraday killed?
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
April 30 2009 17:45 GMT
#251
More like she knew he was one of the key motivators in a lot of the actions so he had to do what he did in order for things to happen.
FortuneSyn
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1826 Posts
April 30 2009 17:48 GMT
#252
OK wtf was this new lost intro?

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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9619 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-30 17:57:09
April 30 2009 17:55 GMT
#253
god i thought this episode was horrific, and that the show is going so far south so quickly. i wish it would be great again. it stopped being good after "kate episodes" or "jack episodes" "Sawyer episodes" stopped happening. Granted they brought it back now with the faraday episodes, i thought his backstory sucked. i feel so bad for him though. He + Show Spoiler +
was such a tool, but tried so hard to do it all right, and got fucked for both of them.


and the new intro was a sneak peek at the new star trek movie.
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9502 Posts
April 30 2009 18:11 GMT
#254
On May 01 2009 02:48 FortuneSyn wrote:
OK wtf was this new lost intro?

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It's probably promotion for J.J. Abrams' upcoming Star Trek movie.
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cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
April 30 2009 18:29 GMT
#255
I thought this latest episode was amazing, cant wait for the final 2 episodes of the season
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ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2750 Posts
April 30 2009 19:06 GMT
#256
I'm so hyped for the finale! Lost has really become better this season!
dm47
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
82 Posts
April 30 2009 19:42 GMT
#257
On May 01 2009 02:37 zulu_nation8 wrote:
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So what does it mean that Faraday's mother planned to have Faraday killed?

+ Show Spoiler +
She actually had no control over his death if you think about it. When she was young, she killed a strange man on the island who walked into her camp. Once she found out this was her son, there was really nothing she could do about it. Granted, she later birthed him, but she knew that one day Daniel would end up there and she would kill him.


What do you guys think about the whole, 'changing the past idea'. I've understood everything up until now, but I didn't really like this concept. Seemed under-explained and far-fetched to me. I hope they elaborate on it more in future episodes
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Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
April 30 2009 19:58 GMT
#258
On May 01 2009 04:42 dm47 wrote:
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On May 01 2009 02:37 zulu_nation8 wrote:
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So what does it mean that Faraday's mother planned to have Faraday killed?

+ Show Spoiler +
She actually had no control over his death if you think about it. When she was young, she killed a strange man on the island who walked into her camp. Once she found out this was her son, there was really nothing she could do about it. Granted, she later birthed him, but she knew that one day Daniel would end up there and she would kill him.


What do you guys think about the whole, 'changing the past idea'. I've understood everything up until now, but I didn't really like this concept. Seemed under-explained and far-fetched to me. I hope they elaborate on it more in future episodes

Desmond already showed us you can't change what happens, you can only change the circumstances under which they happen. + Show Spoiler +
Charlie


Also what the fuck is with them killing off my favorite characters. First Eko, now Faraday. None of the other characters are interesting to me. Except maybe Miles (watch he's next).
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Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-30 21:20:20
April 30 2009 21:12 GMT
#259
Miles has to die as he's 1 of the 4 people who came back to the island (the other 3 have all died already).


Other than that, it was an interesting Episode. I think Faraday miscalculated when he found 3 variables, Hurley, Kate, and Jack who weren't there before. Then again, he could have learned something about the Island that we don't know yet in Ann Arbor. And there is still Desmond, isn't he supposed to be Faraday's constant.


It's all very confusing, but I think they may well be able to make sense out of it. (Infinite loops still don't make any sense to me).


Edit: I think the the moral of the show is if you are going to kill a child, shoot him at least 10 times through the head.
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
May 01 2009 01:07 GMT
#260
that was great episode, even got weak gun shootings.

Daniel should've come earlier to the island. If he approves to kill Ben, then none of the people would be outcast.
Also sucks that no one believes the lunatic/genius, when shit happens they gonna regret it. lol.
Faronel
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States658 Posts
May 01 2009 01:41 GMT
#261
This is crap... Daniel returns and dies in the span of one episode. Albeit I'm beginning to find Rasinsky's scenes more interesting, I'm disappointed at this death
C'est la vie...
Epicfailguy
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Norway893 Posts
May 01 2009 02:02 GMT
#262
Wouldnt suprise me if he survived.
Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
May 01 2009 02:06 GMT
#263
He will until the end of the season I bet but he foreshadowed his own death.
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Shivaz
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1783 Posts
May 01 2009 02:10 GMT
#264
I like Daniel
Railxp
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Hong Kong1313 Posts
May 01 2009 08:52 GMT
#265
On May 01 2009 04:42 dm47 wrote:
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On May 01 2009 02:37 zulu_nation8 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
So what does it mean that Faraday's mother planned to have Faraday killed?

+ Show Spoiler +
She actually had no control over his death if you think about it. When she was young, she killed a strange man on the island who walked into her camp. Once she found out this was her son, there was really nothing she could do about it. Granted, she later birthed him, but she knew that one day Daniel would end up there and she would kill him.


What do you guys think about the whole, 'changing the past idea'. I've understood everything up until now, but I didn't really like this concept. Seemed under-explained and far-fetched to me. I hope they elaborate on it more in future episodes



I suspect "The Others" have a goal which is to
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change / get people out of the time loop, which is why Hawking + Widmore are willing to risk sacrifice their genius son's whole life just to send him back to "fix" things. But really, imo Faraday had no reason to point the gun at Richard, he could just as easily have talked them into giving it to him since he can do the whole "i know whats happening in the future" talk and prove it with jack/kate. Although that must be rough for Eloise knowing that she is sending her son back to be shot by herself. Its like....why did i fuck widmore in the first place again? And presumably that sob cheats on her too and so hes got Penny.

Even though i love LOST a lot, i have to admit i dont really like them going down the cliche path of trying to break the time loop/change the past. But i guess that was inevitable when they introduced time travel.

I love faraday, and would like to see the final piece of his puzzle (Teresa) eleborated on. Like do a full episode on what really happened.

And PLEASE dont kill Miles him and Desmond are my favorite characters in the show. =*(
*grumble grumble because it will probably happen once he uses his special abilities and satisfies his purpose*

Looking forward to them explaining Jacob + four toed statue in future episodes, but sadly it probably won't happen in this season =(
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Marine50
Profile Joined September 2007
Australia1764 Posts
May 01 2009 09:04 GMT
#266
Good episode this week. Sucks we have to wait another week nooo!
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MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-01 09:41:38
May 01 2009 09:36 GMT
#267
On May 01 2009 04:42 dm47 wrote:
What do you guys think about the whole, 'changing the past idea'. I've understood everything up until now, but I didn't really like this concept. Seemed under-explained and far-fetched to me. I hope they elaborate on it more in future episodes

I think they will try it (like daniel did) and will fail because they can't. What happened, happened, and we may get some more episodes where this becomes increasingly clear to them.

On May 01 2009 06:12 Athos wrote:
It's all very confusing, but I think they may well be able to make sense out of it. (Infinite loops still don't make any sense to me).

What infinite loops? I've heard some people wondering about the compass richard gave locke gave richard etc etc zOMG, is that what you were thinking about? If so, that's pretty simple. Let's step through it chronologically.

1953: Locke shows up and gives Richard a compass. Richard: "iiinteresting, where'd this come from?" Locke: "you give it to me in the future". Richard: "..." Locke: "I'll be born soon, go check me out". Locke leaves.

1963: Richard goes to the mainland several years later and sees a young Locke and tests him by asking which objects are his. Among them is the compass. Locke picks it. This spooks Richard, so after he leaves he throws the compass into a fucking volcano. It's gone.

2003: Richard remembers he was supposed to give Locke a compass, so he goes to the compass factory and picks out a brand new shiny compass that looks just like the one he threw in the volcano.

2004: Richard gives his compass to Locke. Locke disappears to the past.

No infinitely old compass. From the point of view of the compass, it was created in 2003, jumped back in time from 2004 to 1953, continued existing for another 10 years then was destroyed. One compass, finite age of 11 years.

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Alternatively, Richard already had a compass when Locke gave him his. Richard now has two compasses: his original and a slightly older one given to him by Locke. 2004, he gives him the original. Now he only has the slightly older one given to him earlier by Locke. From the compasses point of view: it was created in 1850. In 2004 Richard gives compass A to John, who goes back in time with it. Locke gives it to Richard, who keeps it until 2135 when it is destroyed. Critical point being that between 1953 and 2004, Richard had two versions of the compass, just like how Jack was on the island in 1977 at the same time little Jack was on the mainland suffering through grade school. But there is only one compass, not stuck in a loop, with a finite age of 334 years. This one is harder to explain without a diagram, so just focus on the first scenario (the one with the volcano) if it bothers you.

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edit: third possibility, basically a variation of scenario 1
1953: Locke gives a compass to Richard, tells Richard he will give the compass to Locke in the future. 2003: Richard decides he likes the compass and doesn't want to lose it to Locke, plus he wants to avoid tearing a hole in the universe by creating an infinitely old compass, so he buys a second one from the compass factory that is an exact duplicate of the one Locke gave him. 2004: He gives this new one to Locke, who goes back in time with it. For a year, there were two versions of the same compass in Richard's possession, one less than a year old, the other 50 years old. The 50 year old one stays with him. One compass, created in 2003, jumped back in time to 1953, then stayed with Richard into the 2130s.
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
May 01 2009 18:30 GMT
#268
I think Miles is going to do something to piss of his dad, and that's why his dad is going to hate his newborn son. Maybe?
SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5423 Posts
May 01 2009 22:15 GMT
#269
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So disappointed Faraday died. He was my favourite character.
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7218 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-01 22:27:58
May 01 2009 22:27 GMT
#270
On May 02 2009 03:30 Klogon wrote:
I think Miles is going to do something to piss of his dad, and that's why his dad is going to hate his newborn son. Maybe?

I missed the part where Chang hates his son? Watch Miles' episode again, Chang clearly cared about him.
On May 02 2009 07:15 SoleSteeler wrote:
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So disappointed Faraday died. He was my favourite character.

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He's not necessarily dead yet, given the nature of this show...
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GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
May 01 2009 22:44 GMT
#271
Daniel mentioned to Charlotte that Chang is going to get a bunch of people to leave on the submarine and that Charlotte must be one of them. I suppose this is because he knows from Daniel that the Dharma Initiative are going to die in the future (there's a video floating around on youtube which shows this) so he send his wife and son to save them. Perhaps he says something to his wife to make her think he hates them because it is the only way to make her go.

Also, I'm not yet convinced that Daniel is dead, partially because of said video. We will see.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24679 Posts
May 01 2009 23:22 GMT
#272
I've never cared for the interpretation of time travel where... if you go back you can't change what would happen. Then again this is related to my belief that you can't actually go back in time like that.

Man, whenever I see a physicist get shot on network tv I die a little bit inside.
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ktp
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States797 Posts
May 01 2009 23:29 GMT
#273
On May 02 2009 07:44 GGQ wrote:
Also, I'm not yet convinced that Daniel is dead, partially because of said video. We will see.


I'm hoping for a full revival of all dead Losties for the finaly. Daniel, Charlie, and even that dreaded Ethan! Then everyone does a bollywood-esque dance like at the end.
dm47
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
82 Posts
May 01 2009 23:34 GMT
#274
On May 02 2009 08:22 micronesia wrote:
I've never cared for the interpretation of time travel where... if you go back you can't change what would happen. Then again this is related to my belief that you can't actually go back in time like that.

Man, whenever I see a physicist get shot on network tv I die a little bit inside.

hmm, mind sharing what your interpretation of time travel is? I'm not being facetious I'm just interested =).

Also, for this part,
Then again this is related to my belief that you can't actually go back in time like that.

could you explain what do you mean by 'like that'?

I've always thought that if you could manage to go back in time, you couldn't change anything, because you had already experienced your 'future', or... your life back in the present day. If you did change something, then... it would be like a whole new timeline would develop, totally separate from the one that you had already experienced.

Here's something I've thought about that sort of relates to this. You remember those things from Men In Black that would erase a person's memory? If your memory is erased, don't you automatically jump to the point in time after it's been erased?

Like, say you're going in for a surgery, and the surgeon tells you that they're not using anesthesia and that it's going to hurt like hell, but you won't remember it afterwords. Should you, or should you NOT be nervous about the pain from the upcoming surgery?

When he's telling you this, you're there, listening, in your present. Do you continue with that present, experience the pain, and then wake up just having a fuzzy patch from what the hell you did the day before?
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24679 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-02 00:50:10
May 02 2009 00:49 GMT
#275
On May 02 2009 08:34 dm47 wrote:
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On May 02 2009 08:22 micronesia wrote:
I've never cared for the interpretation of time travel where... if you go back you can't change what would happen. Then again this is related to my belief that you can't actually go back in time like that.

Man, whenever I see a physicist get shot on network tv I die a little bit inside.

hmm, mind sharing what your interpretation of time travel is? I'm not being facetious I'm just interested =).

Also, for this part,
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Then again this is related to my belief that you can't actually go back in time like that.

could you explain what do you mean by 'like that'?
By 'like that' I mean you suddenly jump to a time of the past (say, years ago) like it happened in lost. One second you are in the present day, and another you are in an earlier time. I don't believe it possible based on the properties of the physical universe.

If you somehow could do it anyway, then I would go with the idea that you can change the future. For example, if you go back to the day of your birth and then kill yourself, the moment your younger self dies, you cease to exist. It's pretty ridiculous sounding, but that's okay because jumping back in time is just as ridiculous.

Also your question about the surgery example is based on a very important topic in philosophy, I believe.
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
May 02 2009 02:22 GMT
#276
The time travel paradox creates a lot of problems. It'd have to be physically impossible to interact with one self directly or indirectly - including photons traveling at the speed of light. That pretty much precludes anyone from being able to see one self in the past.
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Railxp
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Hong Kong1313 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-02 02:28:42
May 02 2009 02:26 GMT
#277
On May 02 2009 07:44 GGQ wrote:
Also, I'm not yet convinced that Daniel is dead, partially because of said video. We will see.


Lostpedia disagrees.

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Looking at that character list and all the red around it. Prospects are looking grim for lapidus and miles. As well as widmore i suppose, but hes the antagonist so he must die anyways.
Going on a tangent i'd suspect ben will die for lock at some point?


lol all this talk about time travel reminds me of that indie RTS game from previous thread
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Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
May 02 2009 03:00 GMT
#278
On May 02 2009 09:49 micronesia wrote:
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On May 02 2009 08:34 dm47 wrote:
On May 02 2009 08:22 micronesia wrote:
I've never cared for the interpretation of time travel where... if you go back you can't change what would happen. Then again this is related to my belief that you can't actually go back in time like that.

Man, whenever I see a physicist get shot on network tv I die a little bit inside.

hmm, mind sharing what your interpretation of time travel is? I'm not being facetious I'm just interested =).

Also, for this part,
Then again this is related to my belief that you can't actually go back in time like that.

could you explain what do you mean by 'like that'?
By 'like that' I mean you suddenly jump to a time of the past (say, years ago) like it happened in lost. One second you are in the present day, and another you are in an earlier time. I don't believe it possible based on the properties of the physical universe.

If you somehow could do it anyway, then I would go with the idea that you can change the future. For example, if you go back to the day of your birth and then kill yourself, the moment your younger self dies, you cease to exist. It's pretty ridiculous sounding, but that's okay because jumping back in time is just as ridiculous.

Also your question about the surgery example is based on a very important topic in philosophy, I believe.


This is what I meant about infinite loops. Time travel is impossible for a damn good reason.
ktp
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States797 Posts
May 02 2009 03:20 GMT
#279
On May 02 2009 09:49 micronesia wrote:
For example, if you go back to the day of your birth and then kill yourself, the moment your younger self dies, you cease to exist. It's pretty ridiculous sounding, but that's okay because jumping back in time is just as ridiculous.


Aren't you just living out an alternate universe then? You are still alive, and you age normally, but its just that the baby version would not exist.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20019 Posts
May 02 2009 06:17 GMT
#280
On May 02 2009 12:20 ktp wrote:
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On May 02 2009 09:49 micronesia wrote:
For example, if you go back to the day of your birth and then kill yourself, the moment your younger self dies, you cease to exist. It's pretty ridiculous sounding, but that's okay because jumping back in time is just as ridiculous.


Aren't you just living out an alternate universe then? You are still alive, and you age normally, but its just that the baby version would not exist.


if you already killed yourself in the past you wouldn't exist to kill yourself.
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Railxp
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Hong Kong1313 Posts
May 02 2009 07:20 GMT
#281
i personally like the time wave idea, That it takes time (lol) for the changes to arrive and to correct the present.
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But if this is the case LOST's finale would just be everyone going on their different lives, jack would keep being a doctor, kate running from the cops, sawyer still in his self destructive spiral ect. and the connection would never have been made (assuming jack/kate succeed faraday in detonating the bomb). Which imo would be a cliche and rather sad ending =(. hope it doesn't come to that.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 07 2009 02:22 GMT
#282
can someone explain what happened tonight to me please
Shivaz
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1783 Posts
May 07 2009 05:02 GMT
#283
On May 07 2009 11:22 zulu_nation8 wrote:
can someone explain what happened tonight to me please


+ Show Spoiler +
Apparently Locke wants to kill Jacob?????
cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
May 07 2009 05:23 GMT
#284
On May 07 2009 14:02 Shivaz wrote:
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On May 07 2009 11:22 zulu_nation8 wrote:
can someone explain what happened tonight to me please


+ Show Spoiler +
Apparently Locke wants to kill Jacob?????


I've gone through periods of loving locke and hating locke. This is one of my loving him phases.
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Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
May 07 2009 05:24 GMT
#285
Agreed, and it seems + Show Spoiler +
the bomb is what causes the incident
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littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7218 Posts
May 07 2009 05:26 GMT
#286
The finale better answer some fucking questions FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUU
Entusman #12
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 07 2009 19:13 GMT
#287
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could it be that when jack and co leaves the island at the end of season 4 and they witness the island disappearing it was actually the hydrogen bomb going off?
Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
May 07 2009 19:22 GMT
#288
^ Wtf? No.
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Railxp
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Hong Kong1313 Posts
May 08 2009 08:25 GMT
#289
On May 08 2009 04:13 zulu_nation8 wrote:
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could it be that when jack and co leaves the island at the end of season 4 and they witness the island disappearing it was actually the hydrogen bomb going off?


highly unlikely. Much more probable as has been mentioned before:
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jack detonates the bomb and causes "the incident" which causes everything to happen just as it should.

Notes:
- I think its really cool how jack and john are at it again, each leading two different causes. Just like the time when one wanted to stay and one wanted to leave.
- watching richard run around in two different time zones was mind boggling, trying to remember which is the Richard who knows whats going on and which is the clueless one who is just following the leader
- If Eloise was really helping the survivors, wouldnt she NOT send them back in the first place? Then her son wouldn't get shot ect.ect.ect. So maybe her interests are to perpetuate the cycle? Hence leading jack to the bomb...
- Jacob's God-esque relationship is an odd puzzle, and Locke (who is the believer) wants to kill him @_@ What is Locke's motive? to "free" people? certainly doesn't seem to be to save his fellow survivors, at least thats not priority 1
- I have no idea how ANY of this ties into the Lost Experience and the online goose chases information. No mention at all about who started DHARMA and whats with the talk about the initiative developing a virus or something or another.
- GODDAMN they sure know how to make cliff hangers >=(
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littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7218 Posts
May 13 2009 19:17 GMT
#290
season finale tonight
BETTER BE GOOD
Entusman #12
Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-13 19:20:05
May 13 2009 19:19 GMT
#291
There will be answers. But from those answers will arise hundreds more questions.

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Actually at this point I think they're mostly done creating mysteries and are working towards wrapping up the series.
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littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7218 Posts
May 13 2009 19:35 GMT
#292
On May 14 2009 04:19 Chuiu wrote:
There will be answers. But from those answers will arise hundreds more questions.

+ Show Spoiler +
Actually at this point I think they're mostly done creating mysteries and are working towards wrapping up the series.

Yeah, supposedly season 6 is the final season?
Entusman #12
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20019 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-14 07:04:40
May 13 2009 19:42 GMT
#293


aslo:
On May 12 2009 07:56 Athos wrote:
Great movie, absolutely fabulous!


Slight Lost Spoiler ahead:

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Did anybody besides me think about how time travel in Star Trek is different from how time travel works in Lost? It's obviously the same crew (J.J Abram's) who made both masterpieces, and I'm wondering if this movie gives credence to Faraday's dieing idea that it is possible to change the past and alter the future (which is different from how we assume it is now, where no matter what you do you can't change the future.) I just think the timing of the movie and where the show is this season is really coincidental, and I'm wondering if there is anything to that.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
May 13 2009 19:49 GMT
#294
Next season is the final one
cava!
cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
May 14 2009 03:04 GMT
#295
Best episode of tv I have ever seen. This episode is what lost is all about. If you missed it, download it soon.
cava!
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 14 2009 03:11 GMT
#296
i just saw it, i dont understand
cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-14 03:19:04
May 14 2009 03:12 GMT
#297
On May 14 2009 12:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i just saw it, i dont understand



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That guy who was in lockes body was the blonde dude somehow, the one who we saw at the beginning of the episode with jacob as we saw the black rock about to make landfall at the island. We also saw him make contact with all the characters in the flashbacks
cava!
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-14 03:14:54
May 14 2009 03:13 GMT
#298
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How can you not trigger a nuclear weapon by a thousand foot drop, fall down the thousand foot drop, and yet live to activate it by banging it with a rock?



Other than that....Fantastic, awesome episode!
cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
May 14 2009 03:24 GMT
#299
Here is a pretty good theory about what happened I got from a lost forum

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the loophole must be that the man from the beginning of the episode can somehow assume the form of a dead bodies. "Christian" was not really christian shepherd, but that same man who then gave instructions to Locke. He gave instructions to Ben as Ben's daughter, to do whatever Locke says. When Locke's dead body came back, he assumed Locke's form and got Ben to kill Jacob.
cava!
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
May 14 2009 03:28 GMT
#300
On May 14 2009 12:24 cava wrote:
Here is a pretty good theory about what happened I got from a lost forum

+ Show Spoiler +

the loophole must be that the man from the beginning of the episode can somehow assume the form of a dead bodies. "Christian" was not really christian shepherd, but that same man who then gave instructions to Locke. He gave instructions to Ben as Ben's daughter, to do whatever Locke says. When Locke's dead body came back, he assumed Locke's form and got Ben to kill Jacob.



Isn't that what Smoky does?
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 14 2009 03:39 GMT
#301
On May 14 2009 12:12 cava wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2009 12:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i just saw it, i dont understand



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That guy who was in lockes body was the blonde dude somehow, the one who we saw at the beginning of the episode with jacob as we saw the black rock about to make landfall at the island. We also saw him make contact with all the characters in the flashbacks


o ok i missed the first 30min
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
May 14 2009 03:47 GMT
#302
On May 14 2009 12:28 Athos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2009 12:24 cava wrote:
Here is a pretty good theory about what happened I got from a lost forum

+ Show Spoiler +

the loophole must be that the man from the beginning of the episode can somehow assume the form of a dead bodies. "Christian" was not really christian shepherd, but that same man who then gave instructions to Locke. He gave instructions to Ben as Ben's daughter, to do whatever Locke says. When Locke's dead body came back, he assumed Locke's form and got Ben to kill Jacob.



Isn't that what Smoky does?


I think that was assumed, but never proven or stated on the show.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 14 2009 03:50 GMT
#303
remember when they promised to reveal more about smoky this season? lawl
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-14 03:53:46
May 14 2009 03:53 GMT
#304
they did a bit in Ben's episode

edit- I wonder if the guy who killed Jacob controls smokey, or if Jacob did?
cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
May 14 2009 04:01 GMT
#305
I think the guy that convinced ben to kill jacob could actually BE smokey? Perhaps
cava!
CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11579 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-14 04:10:26
May 14 2009 04:06 GMT
#306
in the first scene, it's christian and jacob hanging out on the beach, and they don't seem to be friends. I think christian and jacob could me enemies, and tried to kill eachother. Christian met john in the cabin, and told him to do something (kill jacob?)

edit: in the last scene with john and jacob, that song, "John Jacob, Jacob Allan Smith... His name was mine name too..." got stuck in my head for no reason
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TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-14 05:40:15
May 14 2009 05:33 GMT
#307
My friend and i (mostly him) spent a long time talking about the guy at the start.
this is what we came up with

so. I posit that the man at the beginning, known henceforth as X, and Jacob are in some kind of wargame. as we know they are not friends, as X said he would kill him but he doesn't. presumably they are bound by a set of rules. Rules to which Richard plays as somewhat of a referee. these rules govern the actions that X and Jacob can or cannot do. similar to a game of chess, the players would be X and Jacob, however the pieces would be Jack, Sawyer, Ben, etc.

I think the end of the game involves breaking out of or into a different time loop. as we can see, Jacob plays the game by visiting peoples lives and altering them in subtle (or not so subtle, if you're sayid) ways. I think that X and Jacob have lived through this time loop numerable times, X for whatever reason doesn't want to break it, and Jacob does. Or perhaps based on the beginning scene, Jacob caused it and believes he can break it. X does not.

I know that sounds like a stretch, but in previous seasons I had heard Ben and Widmore talk about "breaking rules" and I think on a couple of occasions ben has said "you don;t knw who your playing for, do you?" regardless, if you think my idea is balogna, don't even continue reading.

What was the common thread in the flashbacks of the finale?
Jacob was in all of them. FALSE.
Juliet did not have a Jacob appearance in her flashback. This leads me to believe that Juliet is simply a piece of the game that Jacob has not had the foresight to manipulate. well who gives a shit about Juliet, right?
Wrong. Juliet is the one who sets off the bomb. Juliet singlehandedly alters the state of the past, killing all of them. Jacob thinks he is out of the time loop, but Juliet has made it occur again. in 30 years, the plane crashes again because Miles was right. the bomb caused the hatch. The loop repeats.
Dwell
ktp
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States797 Posts
May 14 2009 05:51 GMT
#308
This Season's finale sucked. They killed off the most interesting female character wtf.
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7218 Posts
May 14 2009 06:06 GMT
#309
sigh.
have to wait until 2010 for this shit to end.
Entusman #12
Shivaz
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1783 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-14 06:25:49
May 14 2009 06:08 GMT
#310
On May 14 2009 14:33 TryThis wrote:
My friend and i (mostly him) spent a long time talking about the guy at the start.
this is what we came up with

so. I posit that the man at the beginning, known henceforth as X, and Jacob are in some kind of wargame. as we know they are not friends, as X said he would kill him but he doesn't. presumably they are bound by a set of rules. Rules to which Richard plays as somewhat of a referee. these rules govern the actions that X and Jacob can or cannot do. similar to a game of chess, the players would be X and Jacob, however the pieces would be Jack, Sawyer, Ben, etc.

I think the end of the game involves breaking out of or into a different time loop. as we can see, Jacob plays the game by visiting peoples lives and altering them in subtle (or not so subtle, if you're sayid) ways. I think that X and Jacob have lived through this time loop numerable times, X for whatever reason doesn't want to break it, and Jacob does. Or perhaps based on the beginning scene, Jacob caused it and believes he can break it. X does not.

I know that sounds like a stretch, but in previous seasons I had heard Ben and Widmore talk about "breaking rules" and I think on a couple of occasions ben has said "you don;t knw who your playing for, do you?" regardless, if you think my idea is balogna, don't even continue reading.

What was the common thread in the flashbacks of the finale?
Jacob was in all of them. FALSE.
Juliet did not have a Jacob appearance in her flashback. This leads me to believe that Juliet is simply a piece of the game that Jacob has not had the foresight to manipulate. well who gives a shit about Juliet, right?
Wrong. Juliet is the one who sets off the bomb. Juliet singlehandedly alters the state of the past, killing all of them. Jacob thinks he is out of the time loop, but Juliet has made it occur again. in 30 years, the plane crashes again because Miles was right. the bomb caused the hatch. The loop repeats.


Very interesting theory indeed.

edit: I have a question regarding this theory. If Jacob has lived through this loop many times, why would he be the one trying to get everyone back onto the island IF he already knows thisgroup of people are the ones trying to detonate the bomb which causes the plane to crash.
hiddink
Profile Joined September 2006
United States34 Posts
May 14 2009 06:58 GMT
#311
it was christian shepard aka "X" who told locke to get everyone back onto the island, not jacob. the above theory is interesting and fits the pieces
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20019 Posts
May 14 2009 07:07 GMT
#312
you son of a bitch jj abrams
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
May 14 2009 09:51 GMT
#313
Wow that was just amazing. No real good theories from me, but wow lol
Ftrunkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia2474 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-14 10:04:24
May 14 2009 09:54 GMT
#314
tbh for me the most interesting thing is that it ended with a white background "lost" instead of a black one...

Edit: This last season coming will really define whether lost goes down as one of the greatest show, if not the best show i've ever watched, or a pile of crap. If they wrap it up well fucking kudo's to the creators and writers, but if it all ends up with a bunch of plot holes and unexplained phenomena, i'll be sooooo so disappointed.
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LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-14 12:19:35
May 14 2009 12:16 GMT
#315
also, the bomb has to have caused the crash, otherwise miles' dad can just go back to his wife and then miles wont think his dad left him and so on

its kind of a brainfuck though, the timeline goes: first jack gets on the plane, then he brings it down himself, then the plane crashes... doesnt make much sense to me
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ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2750 Posts
May 14 2009 12:56 GMT
#316
On May 14 2009 21:16 LG)Sabbath wrote:
also, the bomb has to have caused the crash, otherwise miles' dad can just go back to his wife and then miles wont think his dad left him and so on

its kind of a brainfuck though, the timeline goes: first jack gets on the plane, then he brings it down himself, then the plane crashes... doesnt make much sense to me

ehm I think you messed up the time. the time when bomb exploded happened way BEFORE their plane crashed. (plane crashed due to Desmond didnt push the button)
Ftrunkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia2474 Posts
May 14 2009 13:08 GMT
#317
I think he means, because he set the bomb off, that lead to the swan being the way it was, which then caused the plane to come down when desmond didnt hit the button...

But theres no proof that faradays bomb is what caused the swan to be the way it is... For all we know they did just fix it, and they're now living an alternate universe than the one they lived on "30 years" in the future...

Does anyone else think that jacks view on the "we'll never land on the island" is fucking SOOO stupid. For them, the present is the present, they cant change the past and re-live it, they can simply change the current time they're in and the 'present time' versions of them will live out that reality... Man im way to tired for this -_-
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ToT)OjKa(
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Korea (South)2437 Posts
May 14 2009 14:37 GMT
#318
didn't think the finale was that good, just felt like 2 normal episodes and then something happens at the end...

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But i'll be damned if they take Juliet away from me
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stafu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1196 Posts
May 14 2009 15:06 GMT
#319
The statue. What do you think?
Shivaz
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1783 Posts
May 14 2009 16:12 GMT
#320
On May 14 2009 15:58 hiddink wrote:
it was christian shepard aka "X" who told locke to get everyone back onto the island, not jacob. the above theory is interesting and fits the pieces



You are right X told Locke to tell everyone else to go back, and he failed but eventually each one of them decided to go back with their own decision (except Sayid). However why did Jacob ask Hurley to go back, and Jacob is the reason Hurley went back?
Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-14 17:10:05
May 14 2009 17:08 GMT
#321
Can anyone link somewhere I can watch these episodes? latest 2/season finale (the incident (1) + (2))

Surfthechannel only has megavideo and some freaking CA site and neither are working for me T_T

Worst 1000th post ever.
Speak properly, and in as few words as you can, but always plainly; for the end of speech is not ostentation, but to be understood.
cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
May 14 2009 17:11 GMT
#322
I find it interesting that Juliet was the only not visited by Jacob in her flashbacks, yet she was the one who detonated the bomb. Maybe Jacob overlooked her, and history was indeed changed ... 1 year to find out ...
cava!
cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
May 14 2009 17:13 GMT
#323
On May 15 2009 02:08 Reason wrote:
Can anyone link somewhere I can watch these episodes? latest 2/season finale (the incident (1) + (2))

Surfthechannel only has megavideo and some freaking CA site and neither are working for me T_T

Worst 1000th post ever.


www.abc.com has all the episodes from all seasons in HD
cava!
Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-14 17:34:21
May 14 2009 17:32 GMT
#324
I need USA proxy IP for ABC and not one works ???
I guess I'll just have to wait :S
Speak properly, and in as few words as you can, but always plainly; for the end of speech is not ostentation, but to be understood.
Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
May 14 2009 17:34 GMT
#325
I can only get lost related material. Can you please put a more specific link?
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Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-14 17:36:11
May 14 2009 17:35 GMT
#326
On May 15 2009 02:32 Reason wrote:
I can only get Lost related material... can you put a more specific link?
Thanks for helping sorry I'm too dumb to find it if it's easy but... I can't see how to get it...


abc.com --> free episodes --> lost --> EULA pops up (agree) --> install plugin --> ??? --> PROFIT!

The new episode should be up there. They're pretty good about uploading new eps, but I can't install the plugin at work


missed ur first post, sry
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ToT)OjKa(
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Korea (South)2437 Posts
May 14 2009 17:39 GMT
#327
http://www.supernovatube.com/divx.php?viewkey=063ba1c8d3fd4a47bde2

http://www.supernovatube.com/divx.php?viewkey=d035950b491f59b4d9c8
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Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
May 14 2009 17:51 GMT
#328
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Yes I am a human now let me watch this video !! lol!!

divx/postinstall/win LOL

Thanks again this is exactly what I needed. DivX is the cherry on top !
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20019 Posts
May 14 2009 18:28 GMT
#329
ninjavideo.net
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
May 14 2009 22:40 GMT
#330
Reading the last couple pages is giving me a headache, some of your theories are so stupid fucking stupid they are way fucking off from whats going on. Richard as referee? Seriously rofl. Though the blonde guy in Lockes body does make perfect sense, but it goes deeper than that, he appears to also be Locke.

Also the bullshit with the nuke was fucking retarded. No one survives a fall that big, and the bomb wouldn't go off from a rock hit when it didn't from the fall. If they wanted that to be more believable with the same end results instead of making the drama scene between her and Sawyer they should have had the thing go off before they were done fighting and had Jack lose the bomb to magnetic force and fly/knock Juliet in the pit with it.

Either way its still a great ending to the season. Don't you fucking love how the show sucks you in for 'just one more episode'?
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Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
May 14 2009 22:51 GMT
#331
No one survives a fall that big... off of the island. Way to not be thinking noob. This is LOST. The rules don't apply.
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Railxp
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Hong Kong1313 Posts
May 15 2009 00:34 GMT
#332
notes on finale: In no particular order. Although I do admit that it is though for me to keep track of who is in what time zone. Feel free to pick me apart.
+ Show Spoiler +

- Most of this pre-assumes that Mr. X took over Locke's dead body, which I think is a very obvious conclusion and not much debate over it.

- At the beginning, Jacob and Mr. X are wearing white and black cloths. Anyone else remember the white and black stones found on two dead bodies waaaay back in season 1? This supports theory of a game being played by two people, struggling to win. Is the game smokey vs jacob?
- Undeniably, there are signs of Egyptian myths everywhere.
- Smokey is black.
- Smokey's temple is underground, and he has been known to take the form of dead people. Therefore i would propose that smokey represents death/death god. I'd make a guess that he/it would have to be Anubis.
- The statue holds two Ankhs in its hand. Ankhs represent eternal life. Which ever god the statue represents, it would be a god of life.
- Jacob weaves, Tapestry of Fate anyone?
- Jacob lives in the statue, Richard works for him, Richard is granted a very long life.
- REAL Locke was already granted life once, when he got pushed from the building.
- Jacob's goal is to bring people to the island. As seen with the black rock ship, as seen with Hugo.
- People Jacob talked to include the oceanic six.
- He DIDNT talk to Ben and Juliet. Those two are arguably the most important characters in the finale because they were in position to make final changes.
- Jacob reminds ben that he has free will. Jacob cannot influence ben like he can the others. Likewise Juliet's flashback was the only one that did not have Jacob in it.
- If DeadLocke is indeed smokey in disguise, then Richard's Journey of bringing the leader to Jacob would mean that he is actually just bringing Ben. Ben remains the leader, he just doesn't know he is being manipulated.
- DeadLocke's weapon of choice for Ben was a knife. An intimate and primitive weapon compared to a gun.
- This is all starting to look very much like an old cliche. Where Gods play and manipulate men. But at the final confrontation, Man still has free will to decide. Ben has the final decision to kill or not to kill, Juliet also has the final decision on exploding the bomb (although she seems to have less obvious alternative choices given her predicament)
- Fat guy who helped carry Locke's body was also in the van that kidnapped Miles momentarily to tell him that They are the good guys and Miles is on the wrong side.
- "Breaking the Loop" might not be a good thing. If the loop is the cycle of Life, Death, Rebirth, then killing Jacob might not be a good idea.
- Juliet's original duties was a fertility expert, Jacob is the God of fertility.
- After Jacob's death, no more live births on the island. Yes his death happens in the most current time zone, but assuming he is present in all time zones, maybe his first death would cause all future/past loops to feel the effect? Shaky ground here.
- We KNOW that people dont all die after the Incidient because the survivors must have lived to build the Hatch. Presumably Dr. Chang and rest of Oceanic six. But what of the Blast Door Map?
- LOL i loved it when Miles came up and said what was on the audience's mind. Lawl jack really should have thought of that.
- Razinski must be somehow connected with the Numbers? Since that was what the DHARMA folk came to do in the first place, and yet theres very little mention of the Numbers in this season, besides the screen with the Hatch Door being installed.
- Conclusion might be painfully obvious to people, but i just enjoy connecting the evidence and looking into the mythology.

In response to previous posts:
- Who said anything about Juliet dying?
- Richard is not a referee. He works for Jacob and that has been stated by himself and many other characters. If anything he facilitates the game.
- Normal rules don't apply in LOST. Get over it. You should already know that the moment smokey appeared and all the other impossible things happened. Stop bitching about it.

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Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-15 01:15:24
May 15 2009 01:15 GMT
#333
About the four toes:

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This is fucking crazy but every time I hear about or see them I keep thinking Lost is going to do some crazy shit at the ending and show a world where everyone has 6 sets of digits on each hand and foot, marking some huge change in the world or something. I don't fucking know.
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Railxp
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Hong Kong1313 Posts
May 15 2009 01:19 GMT
#334
On May 15 2009 10:15 Chuiu wrote:
About the four toes:

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This is fucking crazy but every time I hear about or see them I keep thinking Lost is going to do some crazy shit at the ending and show a world where everyone has 6 sets of digits on each hand and foot, marking some huge change in the world or something. I don't fucking know.


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lol dude what are u smoking XD i mean that would be fucking strange/awesome but the four toed statue is a rather obvious pointer towards Egyptian mythology.
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EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
May 15 2009 04:04 GMT
#335
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just watched the finale and wow... This is exactly why I watch this show.

who do you guys think the fake john locke is? It's probably the guy from the beginning who was talking to jacob on the beach but who the hell is he? Fuck that episode was so damn good..
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
May 15 2009 04:13 GMT
#336
I was honestly expecting Locke and Jacob to fight with egitian super powers and ben would explode in the process
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Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
May 15 2009 05:09 GMT
#337
Something just popped into my head. What if the thing they found at the swan sends the bomb into the past and its what ends up destroying the statue - yeah I'll stop there because I know its stupid.
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Glider
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States1353 Posts
May 15 2009 05:14 GMT
#338
it's ok guys, the answers will come soon, in just a year or two
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
May 15 2009 05:57 GMT
#339
do people think the bomb really went off? I was under the impression that the white flash was probably just the emp-like electromagnetic event or something, but timed to look to the audience like it was the nuke. I dunno.
StarBrift
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden1761 Posts
May 15 2009 07:02 GMT
#340
On May 15 2009 09:34 Railxp wrote:
notes on finale: In no particular order. Although I do admit that it is though for me to keep track of who is in what time zone. Feel free to pick me apart.
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- Most of this pre-assumes that Mr. X took over Locke's dead body, which I think is a very obvious conclusion and not much debate over it.

- At the beginning, Jacob and Mr. X are wearing white and black cloths. Anyone else remember the white and black stones found on two dead bodies waaaay back in season 1? This supports theory of a game being played by two people, struggling to win. Is the game smokey vs jacob?
- Undeniably, there are signs of Egyptian myths everywhere.
- Smokey is black.
- Smokey's temple is underground, and he has been known to take the form of dead people. Therefore i would propose that smokey represents death/death god. I'd make a guess that he/it would have to be Anubis.
- The statue holds two Ankhs in its hand. Ankhs represent eternal life. Which ever god the statue represents, it would be a god of life.
- Jacob weaves, Tapestry of Fate anyone?
- Jacob lives in the statue, Richard works for him, Richard is granted a very long life.
- REAL Locke was already granted life once, when he got pushed from the building.
- Jacob's goal is to bring people to the island. As seen with the black rock ship, as seen with Hugo.
- People Jacob talked to include the oceanic six.
- He DIDNT talk to Ben and Juliet. Those two are arguably the most important characters in the finale because they were in position to make final changes.
- Jacob reminds ben that he has free will. Jacob cannot influence ben like he can the others. Likewise Juliet's flashback was the only one that did not have Jacob in it.
- If DeadLocke is indeed smokey in disguise, then Richard's Journey of bringing the leader to Jacob would mean that he is actually just bringing Ben. Ben remains the leader, he just doesn't know he is being manipulated.
- DeadLocke's weapon of choice for Ben was a knife. An intimate and primitive weapon compared to a gun.
- This is all starting to look very much like an old cliche. Where Gods play and manipulate men. But at the final confrontation, Man still has free will to decide. Ben has the final decision to kill or not to kill, Juliet also has the final decision on exploding the bomb (although she seems to have less obvious alternative choices given her predicament)
- Fat guy who helped carry Locke's body was also in the van that kidnapped Miles momentarily to tell him that They are the good guys and Miles is on the wrong side.
- "Breaking the Loop" might not be a good thing. If the loop is the cycle of Life, Death, Rebirth, then killing Jacob might not be a good idea.
- Juliet's original duties was a fertility expert, Jacob is the God of fertility.
- After Jacob's death, no more live births on the island. Yes his death happens in the most current time zone, but assuming he is present in all time zones, maybe his first death would cause all future/past loops to feel the effect? Shaky ground here.
- We KNOW that people dont all die after the Incidient because the survivors must have lived to build the Hatch. Presumably Dr. Chang and rest of Oceanic six. But what of the Blast Door Map?
- LOL i loved it when Miles came up and said what was on the audience's mind. Lawl jack really should have thought of that.
- Razinski must be somehow connected with the Numbers? Since that was what the DHARMA folk came to do in the first place, and yet theres very little mention of the Numbers in this season, besides the screen with the Hatch Door being installed.
- Conclusion might be painfully obvious to people, but i just enjoy connecting the evidence and looking into the mythology.

In response to previous posts:
- Who said anything about Juliet dying?
- Richard is not a referee. He works for Jacob and that has been stated by himself and many other characters. If anything he facilitates the game.
- Normal rules don't apply in LOST. Get over it. You should already know that the moment smokey appeared and all the other impossible things happened. Stop bitching about it.



Very facinating theories. I like the ones about Jacob and Smokey and the balance between mythical storytelling and sci fi elements.

Matthew Fox (Jack) has said many times that he knows the ending of the show and that it will rock our socks. If his talent for acting and drama is anything to go by then I'm pretty stoked about the last season and how everything is going to pan out. They've explained alot of unknowns and connected some threads in season 5 so I really hope they blow my mind. Something tells me the ending will be very dramatic aswell.
TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
May 15 2009 14:25 GMT
#341
i dont know about smokey being mr.X
when ben dropped into the temple smokey formed into his daughter, although it possiabe that he was both john and bens daughter i doubt it.
Dwell
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7218 Posts
May 15 2009 14:31 GMT
#342
On May 15 2009 23:25 TryThis wrote:
i dont know about smokey being mr.X
when ben dropped into the temple smokey formed into his daughter, although it possiabe that he was both john and bens daughter i doubt it.

It's already been established that the smoke monster can take the form of different people - think back to Eko's brother/Rousseau's crew
I don't know if that means smoke monster = Mr. X = Locke, but Mr. X definitely IS Locke
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CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11579 Posts
May 15 2009 14:51 GMT
#343
not only Eko's brother/Rousseau's crew but as well as in the previous seasons, john seeing boone, when anna lucia shot shannon shannon had seen walt, etc..

So smokey does two things, he manipulates people, coercing them into their 'destiny' by appearing as other people, and then just completely out right killing them by force.
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Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
May 16 2009 07:28 GMT
#344
On May 15 2009 14:57 talismania wrote:
do people think the bomb really went off? I was under the impression that the white flash was probably just the emp-like electromagnetic event or something, but timed to look to the audience like it was the nuke. I dunno.


Oh word, this is very possible.
CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11579 Posts
May 16 2009 07:42 GMT
#345
it couldn't have been the flash for time, cuz that was at the swine and not at the hatch. it had to have been the nuke.

I think the nuke went off, but with all of the mystery forces that are within the hatch canceled out the nuke, thus making it safe for the hatch to be finally made to what it was in previous seasons.
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Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
May 16 2009 14:00 GMT
#346
It's not the swine, it's the Swan. And the Swan IS the hatch. So if I remember correctly about what Mr. Big Stuff (can't remember his name) said about the Swan and the Hydra having the same energy then its very well possible.

Though I doubt it, Lost has always been consistent with the sounds that happen during certain events and all the sounds that happen during the white flashes aren't there. (unless they intentionally skipped them to trick us)
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Epicfailguy
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Norway893 Posts
May 16 2009 15:30 GMT
#347
Im very sure the nuke went off, thats probably Juliets purpose, and if you think about it, you didnt see Jacob in her flashback, but he was in everyone elses flashbacks...so who knows if that means anything.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 16 2009 17:27 GMT
#348
so i was randomly thinking this last night, wasn't one of Ben's orders to kill Rousseau or her baby (or both? I forgot) but he ended up taking the baby and raising it as his own. Alex then died, in a way which made Ben feel guilty. Then Mr.X/Locke lead Ben to the temple and the smoke monster (which I'm pretty sure the fake Locke controls) was able to appear and convince Ben to follow Locke's orders. So was Jacob trying to prevent this by ordering Ben to kill Rousseau's baby because or else it would end in Ben stabbing him to death? And the possible loophole is that Ben has "feelings" or human sympathy or whatever which made him disobey Jacob's orders. Mr.X finds this loophole and manipulates it so that eventually Ben will kill Jacob. Thoughts?
cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
May 16 2009 17:33 GMT
#349
On May 17 2009 02:27 zulu_nation8 wrote:
so i was randomly thinking this last night, wasn't one of Ben's orders to kill Rousseau or her baby (or both? I forgot) but he ended up taking the baby and raising it as his own. Alex then died, in a way which made Ben feel guilty. Then Mr.X/Locke lead Ben to the temple and the smoke monster (which I'm pretty sure the fake Locke controls) was able to appear and convince Ben to follow Locke's orders. So was Jacob trying to prevent this by ordering Ben to kill Rousseau's baby because or else it would end in Ben stabbing him to death? And the possible loophole is that Ben has "feelings" or human sympathy or whatever which made him disobey Jacob's orders. Mr.X finds this loophole and manipulates it so that eventually Ben will kill Jacob. Thoughts?


Very deep, but possible. I cant really think of any other reason for the others to want to murder innocent people. I was under the impression that it was Widmores orders because he has always seemed a bit unstable, but he could have been following the order of Jacob who knows.
cava!
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
May 16 2009 17:53 GMT
#350
Does anybody know what happened to the passengers of 815 who got taken by the others in Season 1? Did they ever address that other than saying, "they're safe"?
cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
May 16 2009 18:37 GMT
#351
On May 17 2009 02:53 Athos wrote:
Does anybody know what happened to the passengers of 815 who got taken by the others in Season 1? Did they ever address that other than saying, "they're safe"?


Thats a good question ... As far as I know they simply joined the others, or Richards people, but our main cast has made no mention of recognizing any of them so I have no idea actually.
cava!
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
May 16 2009 18:46 GMT
#352
On May 17 2009 02:33 cava wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2009 02:27 zulu_nation8 wrote:
so i was randomly thinking this last night, wasn't one of Ben's orders to kill Rousseau or her baby (or both? I forgot) but he ended up taking the baby and raising it as his own. Alex then died, in a way which made Ben feel guilty. Then Mr.X/Locke lead Ben to the temple and the smoke monster (which I'm pretty sure the fake Locke controls) was able to appear and convince Ben to follow Locke's orders. So was Jacob trying to prevent this by ordering Ben to kill Rousseau's baby because or else it would end in Ben stabbing him to death? And the possible loophole is that Ben has "feelings" or human sympathy or whatever which made him disobey Jacob's orders. Mr.X finds this loophole and manipulates it so that eventually Ben will kill Jacob. Thoughts?


Very deep, but possible. I cant really think of any other reason for the others to want to murder innocent people. I was under the impression that it was Widmores orders because he has always seemed a bit unstable, but he could have been following the order of Jacob who knows.


Yeah I thought those were Widmore's orders. Also, it was Ben who took Locke/X to see smokey, not the other way around, because Ben wanted to be judged. Regardless, I think X's loophole was that he managed to kill and take over the body of someone who was the island's 'leader' ie John Locke.
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
May 17 2009 04:17 GMT
#353
On May 17 2009 03:46 GGQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2009 02:33 cava wrote:
On May 17 2009 02:27 zulu_nation8 wrote:
so i was randomly thinking this last night, wasn't one of Ben's orders to kill Rousseau or her baby (or both? I forgot) but he ended up taking the baby and raising it as his own. Alex then died, in a way which made Ben feel guilty. Then Mr.X/Locke lead Ben to the temple and the smoke monster (which I'm pretty sure the fake Locke controls) was able to appear and convince Ben to follow Locke's orders. So was Jacob trying to prevent this by ordering Ben to kill Rousseau's baby because or else it would end in Ben stabbing him to death? And the possible loophole is that Ben has "feelings" or human sympathy or whatever which made him disobey Jacob's orders. Mr.X finds this loophole and manipulates it so that eventually Ben will kill Jacob. Thoughts?


Very deep, but possible. I cant really think of any other reason for the others to want to murder innocent people. I was under the impression that it was Widmores orders because he has always seemed a bit unstable, but he could have been following the order of Jacob who knows.


Yeah I thought those were Widmore's orders. Also, it was Ben who took Locke/X to see smokey, not the other way around, because Ben wanted to be judged. Regardless, I think X's loophole was that he managed to kill and take over the body of someone who was the island's 'leader' ie John Locke.


My theory is that in the original cycle ben kills Widmores daughter therefor forcing desmond to go back to the island for revenge or w/e

When ben failed to do that desmond failed to execute to a series of events that led to whats happening not happening before
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EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-17 06:05:18
May 17 2009 05:57 GMT
#354
On May 17 2009 02:27 zulu_nation8 wrote:
so i was randomly thinking this last night, wasn't one of Ben's orders to kill Rousseau or her baby (or both? I forgot) but he ended up taking the baby and raising it as his own. Alex then died, in a way which made Ben feel guilty. Then Mr.X/Locke lead Ben to the temple and the smoke monster (which I'm pretty sure the fake Locke controls) was able to appear and convince Ben to follow Locke's orders. So was Jacob trying to prevent this by ordering Ben to kill Rousseau's baby because or else it would end in Ben stabbing him to death? And the possible loophole is that Ben has "feelings" or human sympathy or whatever which made him disobey Jacob's orders. Mr.X finds this loophole and manipulates it so that eventually Ben will kill Jacob. Thoughts?


I don't think the fake Locke controls the smoke monster. When Ben told him as they were walking to Jacob that the smoke monster turned into his daughter the fake Locke looked genuinely surprised (there's no reason for him to fake it really). I agree that Ben has something to do with the loophole. It is clear that Jacob wanted the actual John Locke for some purpose: I'll say more about this theory later. Mr. X knew this and I think somehow manipulated certain factors in Locke's life to kill him: the suicide after the conflict with his dad, paralysis from that fall, and the second attempt at suicide after he gets off the island. These all failed however, and you see direct intervention by Jacob in the first suicide as he revives Locke. Mr. X finally "succeeds" however when Ben kills Locke. Therefore, Ben creates the loophole and Mr. X somehow comes into existence in the form of John Locke's body.

Now, about what Jacob's purpose for Locke is... I don't think Locke will stay dead. He's way too significant of a character to kill off (boohoo Charlie died but he wasn't that important to the story honestly. Same with Sayiid. They both contributed to the story I guess but compared to Locke? Their deaths can be used as dramatic plot points without hurting the story.) I think Jacob knew he was going to be killed by Ben and intended for John to be his replacement. There's an ongoing message throughout the series about Locke being the leader of the island's people and the people and Richard the Fake Locke leads to see Jacob really believe this, but I think this message actually meant for him to be the puppeteer of everything, the position Jacob has.

On May 15 2009 14:57 talismania wrote:
do people think the bomb really went off? I was under the impression that the white flash was probably just the emp-like electromagnetic event or something, but timed to look to the audience like it was the nuke. I dunno.

lol shit.. That's a good point. I guess it's more of a hope from the audience. It would be very depressing if she had died for nothing =/
SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5423 Posts
May 18 2009 02:58 GMT
#355
+ Show Spoiler +
About Richard.

Since he's Spanish, and the Black Rock ship that we see at the start is said to be a Spanish galleon, then Richard - as Ricardos - is likely on that ship, and that's where the two of them meet.

I can't wait to see what goes on with that beginning scene, namely the whole "this is what always happens" type lines, with people coming to - probably - exploit the island. Much like Widmore, Ben, etc. have been saying over the past while.

Also, as Jacob is dying, "they're coming ..." is a great line. Who, I wonder? Hmmm.

Fuck I love this show! Too bad about Juliette though! Really shitty. Well, they may all be But we know that wouldn't happen.I expect Sayid to be dead, at least; his usefulness to the story is past.

I'm still waiting to find out about Libby's past ...

zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 18 2009 03:02 GMT
#356
If the bomb did explode, I think the rest of the 815 people would end up the same as Juliette since they were all pretty close to it. Also I think when the group brings Locke's body to Richard, they were speaking Latin? I do remember hearing "Ricardos" though, and yea I think it's a clear connection Richard has something to do with the Black Rock, whether being one of the original crew or one of their descendants.
cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-18 03:33:15
May 18 2009 03:31 GMT
#357
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Portal:Mysterious

A list of most / all of losts mysteries. The one thing that I had not connected until I read the blast door map mystery was that radzinsky (the dharma tortuerer and the guy who wanted to keep drilling in the finale) was the original inhabitant of the hatch and he started the map that Locke saw in season 2. The storyline in lost is so complex its hard to keep it straight.
cava!
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
May 18 2009 03:36 GMT
#358
On May 18 2009 12:31 cava wrote:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Portal:Mysterious

A list of most / all of losts mysteries. The one thing that I had not connected until I read the blast door map mystery was that radzinsky (the dharma tortuerer and the guy who wanted to keep drilling in the finale) was the original inhabitant of the hatch and he started the map that Locke saw in season 2. The storyline in lost is so complex its hard to keep it straight.


holy shit thanks for sharing this.. I completely forgot about that guy.
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
May 18 2009 04:08 GMT
#359
I think the loophole is related to the hatch/swan exploding. Remember when Locke refused to enter the code in time in the computer? Then the Hatch dissapeared and Desmond appeared naked in the jungle. For some reason when the other townies go back and forth in time they dont lose theyr clothes, however Desmond was naked wich points to the Dharma iniciative never making it to the island.
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Railxp
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Hong Kong1313 Posts
May 18 2009 04:45 GMT
#360
WHAT BUTTFUCKERY IS THIS I HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER YEAR TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENS NEXT ARG WTFWTF I NEED MY FIX /RANT
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