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Who else is super pumped?
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TryThis
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need i say more? ![]() Who else is super pumped? | ||
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Glider
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where oh where (or when) did the island go... it is a 2 hour episode right?? | ||
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b3tty
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it got really fucking wacky in season 4 : I i'll watch it anyway, committed now. | ||
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On January 22 2009 04:23 TryThis wrote: Who else is super pumped? Me = super pumped. ![]() | ||
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ktp
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On January 22 2009 05:10 malongo wrote: WHERE????? omg now i have cable tv but idk where to watch this. Ive only watched on pc, and i guess its on hbo, lol idk wheres hbo im a tv cable noob. The show is on ABC, channel 7 for me. | ||
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InFiNitY[pG]
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DreaM)XeRO
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Season 3 sucked something fearsome 4 ..was meh 1 was by far the best.. TTwTT | ||
anch
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I hope Desmond shows up somewhere again. | ||
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SK.Testie
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It's not about seasons. All Ben episodes are the best. Ben wins at lost. | ||
Ichigo1234551
United States649 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I love desmond and penny. I cried in the episode lol. the one where he called her on the phone and she answered. I think desmond has to go back to the island. | ||
SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
Desmond > Jack Penny > Kate their story rapes that whole gay love triangle they have. It evokes no emotion. When he called her it was awesome & had emotion oozing from it. | ||
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On January 22 2009 05:33 MYM.Testie wrote: I'd have to disagree. It's not about seasons. All Ben episodes are the best. Ben wins at lost. lol when ben was first introduced i hated him he looked like an ugly rat and he was so annoying. But as the episodes went on he became more and more awsome. Its the complete opposite with Jack, he became more and more annoying | ||
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TryThis
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jacks just turned into a whiny little bitch | ||
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Spike
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We ever figure out what those shadow things are? | ||
Nazarene
Denmark996 Posts
On January 22 2009 05:42 Mikilatov wrote: Yeah, me too! It sucks that it's been like a year since season 4 endedI love LOST. I just wish I didn't know it existed until it was all over, so I could watch them all at once. My memory is terrible, so I forget like 80% of what happened in the past 4 seasons. D=... | ||
TryThis
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On January 22 2009 06:58 Spike wrote: hmmm, I haven't watch since the 2nd season. I don't suppose anyone can give a quick rundown of what the plot is? We ever figure out what those shadow things are? i dont even remember what those "shadow things" you speak of are. to be honest, missing two seasons is kinda a big deal, and its best if you just start watching season three right now | ||
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dragonmax
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you can watch it for free on abc.com | ||
arcticStorm
United States295 Posts
FRINGE FTW | ||
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LOST | ||
Orome
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Because of this I'm also kind of scared they'll fuck the whole show up by getting crazier and crazier with their ideas, but I still have some faith they'll be able to bring it to a good and satisfying end. It's supposed to start in like an hour right? | ||
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i just got home ![]() | ||
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On January 22 2009 11:54 Ichigo1234551 wrote: I think they'll have the 2 new episodes online tomorrow. Usually they wait a day I think.can you the new episode online yet?? i just got home ![]() | ||
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Pengu1n
United States552 Posts
1) "Tracking" I really hate it when Kate just starts "tracking" and following trails. Theres no way she can pick up those trails so fast and accurately its just annoying. When Locke does it its kinda cool because hes the "hunter" and has been training beforehand. But when Kate does it it just aggravates me. 2) Sayeed's little love affair with that rich bitch (forget her name). Okay sure shes hot but wasn't Sayeed still completely obsessed with that other muslim girl he tortured. Sayeed strikes me as the one who would be able to see past the rich bitches looks and hate her for her materialistic snobby personality. I really don't get how he fell "in love" with her unless he was just horny from being on the island so long w/out getting any. Then when she dies hes over it in a few days and back to obsessing over his other love. Would have made more sense for a different character to persue the rich bitch maybe Sawyer would have been interesting. 3) I don't get why nobody wanted to help Benard make the giant SOS on the beach? Seemed like a good idea to me. Sure it was a lot of work but its not like they had anything better to do and you never know when a helicopter might fly over and see it. 4) Whats the point of having 60+ survivors initially on the island when your only going to show the story of a select few? Why not just make them the only survivors. Towards the end of season 4 when things started getting crazy and people split into 2 groups all the other survivors kind of disapered. 5) I hate Sun for cheating on Jin and I couldn't wait for him to find out. Especially since Jin became a slave to Sun's father just to be with her. But his reaction was kind of lame and was kinda pissed that he forgave her for cheating and lying right to his face. To me thats unforgivable. 6) Everytime someone goes off on an adventure and someone else wants to come but the "hero" usually Jack tells them to stay behind. This gets really annoying in every freaking episode. Especially Kate (i really just dont like Kate) always wants to come along and get in the way. The aruging over who gets to come gets repetitive if you know what i mean. 7) I'm still waiting for a long overdue fight to break out between Sawyer an Jack, it would be so awsome to watch Sawyer kick Jacks little bitch ass. ![]() okay thats all i can think of ;p | ||
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LuckyFool
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On January 22 2009 13:05 GGQ wrote: Old lady wasn't that whoa for me. Unless I just forgot who she was. Was she on the island with Ben and the others in season 3? I thought the first half was better, but bringing that old lady in at the end was just WOAH! Bigger whoa moment for me was the start with Daniel working with the Darma people at the dig site. That was whoa. | ||
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Ichigo1234551
United States649 Posts
On January 22 2009 12:53 Pengu1n wrote: I love lost but i'm going to list things about it that annoy me just for fun. 1) "Tracking" I really hate it when Kate just starts "tracking" and following trails. Theres no way she can pick up those trails so fast and accurately its just annoying. When Locke does it its kinda cool because hes the "hunter" and has been training beforehand. But when Kate does it it just aggravates me. 2) Sayeed's little love affair with that rich bitch (forget her name). Okay sure shes hot but wasn't Sayeed still completely obsessed with that other muslim girl he tortured. Sayeed strikes me as the one who would be able to see past the rich bitches looks and hate her for her materialistic snobby personality. I really don't get how he fell "in love" with her unless he was just horny from being on the island so long w/out getting any. Then when she dies hes over it in a few days and back to obsessing over his other love. Would have made more sense for a different character to persue the rich bitch maybe Sawyer would have been interesting. 3) I don't get why nobody wanted to help Benard make the giant SOS on the beach? Seemed like a good idea to me. Sure it was a lot of work but its not like they had anything better to do and you never know when a helicopter might fly over and see it. 4) Whats the point of having 60+ survivors initially on the island when your only going to show the story of a select few? Why not just make them the only survivors. Towards the end of season 4 when things started getting crazy and people split into 2 groups all the other survivors kind of disapered. 5) I hate Sun for cheating on Jin and I couldn't wait for him to find out. Especially since Jin became a slave to Sun's father just to be with her. But his reaction was kind of lame and was kinda pissed that he forgave her for cheating and lying right to his face. To me thats unforgivable. 6) Everytime someone goes off on an adventure and someone else wants to come but the "hero" usually Jack tells them to stay behind. This gets really annoying in every freaking episode. Especially Kate (i really just dont like Kate) always wants to come along and get in the way. The aruging over who gets to come gets repetitive if you know what i mean. 7) I'm still waiting for a long overdue fight to break out between Sawyer an Jack, it would be so awsome to watch Sawyer kick Jacks little bitch ass. ![]() okay thats all i can think of ;p I think Jack is the coolest character. He is destined to be a great leader and he will show his power soon. I bet in the next few season you will start to see the real jack. A fearless JACK. like the beginning of the series | ||
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cava
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I loved the first episode, 10/10 for sure | ||
omfghi2u2
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Good episode none the less. I think this further proves the time theory I heard at the end of season 4. | ||
anch
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On January 22 2009 13:07 LuckyFool wrote: Bigger whoa moment for me was the start with Daniel working with the Darma people at the dig site. That was whoa. + Show Spoiler [ or could it be ...] + Old lady = Mrs. Faraday? another 'whoa' a ancient Apple computer, that computes bunch of data, and displays a world map. | ||
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Zelniq
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On January 23 2009 03:59 anch wrote: Show nested quote + On January 22 2009 13:07 LuckyFool wrote: Bigger whoa moment for me was the start with Daniel working with the Darma people at the dig site. That was whoa. I am guessing thats Daniel's father, like 20 years ago. Since Daniel's mother is mentioned in the show, it could be that they were working in Dharma. + Show Spoiler [ or could it be ...] + Old lady = Mrs. Faraday? + Show Spoiler [answer] + http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ms._Hawking | ||
cava
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On January 23 2009 03:59 anch wrote: Show nested quote + On January 22 2009 13:07 LuckyFool wrote: Bigger whoa moment for me was the start with Daniel working with the Darma people at the dig site. That was whoa. I am guessing thats Daniel's father, like 20 years ago. Since Daniel's mother is mentioned in the show, it could be that they were working in Dharma. + Show Spoiler [ or could it be ...] + Old lady = Mrs. Faraday? The island is shifting in time, where the people shifting are experiencing things that happend in all of those times. I was under the impression that the island had simple shifted and daniel was just undercover for some reason or another, maybe to figure out how to stop the shifts. | ||
anch
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On January 23 2009 04:05 Zelniq wrote: + Show Spoiler [answer] + http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ms._Hawking ya i was reading that before i read your post. lol @ unanswered question + Show Spoiler + Is she Daniel Faraday's mother? | ||
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cava
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On January 23 2009 04:57 tonight wrote: or because he's a time traveler? Him and his crew are not the ones being shifted in time, Locke/Sawyer/etc are. He still remains the same age in all scenarios, including when Ben was a small child. Its still a possibiility that he is time traveling, but if he is its by some other method. | ||
brian
United States9619 Posts
On January 22 2009 12:53 Pengu1n wrote: I love lost but i'm going to list things about it that annoy me just for fun. 1) "Tracking" I really hate it when Kate just starts "tracking" and following trails. Theres no way she can pick up those trails so fast and accurately its just annoying. When Locke does it its kinda cool because hes the "hunter" and has been training beforehand. But when Kate does it it just aggravates me. ugh that bothers me so much Locke was never a hunter, he was a tool. He worked at a wal-mart at the ripe age of 40ish. He got conned by an old man. He is a fool. He spent half his life in a wheel chair. He's finally out of it and acts like he's king of the fucking jungle. He's the biggest fake on the god damn show. His life finally has some purpose(Which it doesnt at all, he just wants to think so), so he's finally some kind of false hero. | ||
TryThis
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With the practice covering her own tracks she would have learned the basics to tracking | ||
Pengu1n
United States552 Posts
and as for Locke i guess i just assumed he had some past experiences outside his box factory. He's very mysterious like in the flashbacks with his weed farm (unexpected). and he always knows when its going to rain and everything hes just weird so it fits him to be the "jungle king" but as for tracking i don't think any character on the show should be able to track as well as they do, but they really have no other way to explain how they keep finding their way through an unfamiliar jungle where everything looks the same. | ||
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cava
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On January 23 2009 07:10 Itachii wrote: This crap is still going?Watched first 4 seasons, 1 and 2 were really good, rest was just for pure purpose of keeping the storyline...God, why do they have to resurrect/make 10 seasons of all decent series. Its not crap its pretty much the best show on tv right now. Also they had a 5 season plan since the beginning. It will end up being 6 seasons though because the last 3 seasons are mini seasons. | ||
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bObaZ
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On January 23 2009 07:10 Itachii wrote: This crap is still going?Watched first 4 seasons, 1 and 2 were really good, rest was just for pure purpose of keeping the storyline...God, why do they have to resurrect/make 10 seasons of all decent series. How can u say that? Season 1 and 2 and a little of 3 Are just an introduction for what's to come. The Real Story Line only begins late season 3 and season 4! And it's FREAKIN GREAT! | ||
dan1st
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On January 23 2009 07:24 inReacH wrote: http://tvshack.net/tv/Lost/ Wow, how come no one has shown me that link before. Been looking for a site like this for a long time. TQTQTQTQ! | ||
TryThis
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On January 23 2009 11:47 dan1st wrote: Wow, how come no one has shown me that link before. Been looking for a site like this for a long time. TQTQTQTQ! www.surfthechannel.com www.alluc.net http://tv-links.cc/ i live off these sites | ||
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what the fuck | ||
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2Pacalypse-
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oh and this show should totally be renamed to "WTF?!" | ||
Orome
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One of the main plots of seasons 1-3 was the development of the characters and it was fun because everyone had the characters he liked and the ones he hated and you actually felt with the characters. Now most characters seem to me to have come to the end of the development that the writers intended and they're just left without a real personality (like Sawyer, wtf he was the coolest guy in the first seasons, now he's this lame reformed hero who desperately tries to retain his badboy image with mediocre jokes) or they're given some new, weird and imo farfetched twist. Rampage Sun for example, wtf. I just don't really care about any of the characters anymore, because I have no idea what they stand for. Sayid? He worked for Ben, but now he's warning Hurley against him all the while killing the 500 assassins that are after him. I have no idea what his goals are anymore. Jack? He had some weird meeting with Locke and turned into an island worshipper, complete personality turnaround. The story's still cool I guess, but after 4 seasons of defending Lost and believing that all of the mysteries were going to be solved eventually, it's starting to wear on me. Cuse and Lindelof said something like 'the story's starting to slip into this gear where it's answering more questions than it's asking.' lol! I'm just having trouble believing that they'll bring this to a satisfactory ending. I'm sure they have the big mysteries planned out, but what about the 34563 small things? Like, are we ever going to find out whether the guy Claire went to is really a psychic? Of course that's not really important to the story, but if you're going to make all those riddles, you should at least try to answer them all sometime. Also, the story's become incredibly huge and complex. Whole storylines have just been completely forgotten so far. Rose and Bernard at least got like 2 minutes of screen time so far this season, but what about Walt for example? What about the black guy who went to see hurley at the mental hospital? In the last episode, when they were pursued by that boat, were you guys excited and wondering who those new people were? I was mostly just annoyed at yet another group of people to make this mess even more complicated. I still like Lost and I look forward to every new episode, but it's lost a lot of its appeal imo. /rant | ||
cava
United States1035 Posts
On February 13 2009 04:36 Orome wrote: I'm enjoying the show less and less tbh. One of the main plots of seasons 1-3 was the development of the characters and it was fun because everyone had the characters he liked and the ones he hated and you actually felt with the characters. Now most characters seem to me to have come to the end of the development that the writers intended and they're just left without a real personality (like Sawyer, wtf he was the coolest guy in the first seasons, now he's this lame reformed hero who desperately tries to retain his badboy image with mediocre jokes) or they're given some new, weird and imo farfetched twist. Rampage Sun for example, wtf. I just don't really care about any of the characters anymore, because I have no idea what they stand for. Sayid? He worked for Ben, but now he's warning Hurley against him all the while killing the 500 assassins that are after him. I have no idea what his goals are anymore. Jack? He had some weird meeting with Locke and turned into an island worshipper, complete personality turnaround. The story's still cool I guess, but after 4 seasons of defending Lost and believing that all of the mysteries were going to be solved eventually, it's starting to wear on me. Cuse and Lindelof said something like 'the story's starting to slip into this gear where it's answering more questions than it's asking.' lol! I'm just having trouble believing that they'll bring this to a satisfactory ending. I'm sure they have the big mysteries planned out, but what about the 34563 small things? Like, are we ever going to find out whether the guy Claire went to is really a psychic? Of course that's not really important to the story, but if you're going to make all those riddles, you should at least try to answer them all sometime. Also, the story's become incredibly huge and complex. Whole storylines have just been completely forgotten so far. Rose and Bernard at least got like 2 minutes of screen time so far this season, but what about Walt for example? What about the black guy who went to see hurley at the mental hospital? In the last episode, when they were pursued by that boat, were you guys excited and wondering who those new people were? I was mostly just annoyed at yet another group of people to make this mess even more complicated. I still like Lost and I look forward to every new episode, but it's lost a lot of its appeal imo. /rant This season has been crammed full of answers to previous questions, but they cant answer everything at once. Rose and Bernard have always been side characters since the beginning as well. Im sure Sayid will explain why he is not so thrilled with Ben relatively shortly. Im also thinking that we will find more about the black guy toward the end of the season after they finally are ready to all go back to the island, I have a feeling that he is the oppostion and will make an attempt to stop them. The island was jumping back and forth through time, so we learned a few things about a few time periods that will probably come full circle not this season but the last. | ||
mikodrak
Czech Republic78 Posts
I really loved and was thrilled by seasons one and two, cause I seemed to understand (or at least I thought i did :D) what was going on all the time and the plot was so original. Now everything is just getting in the point where I say to myself "oh.. this was not at all planned in the beginning and we just have to go through this crap that was made up by the creators to make it a longer show".. I mean I still like it and I will hang with it possibly to see the ending, but I dont think I am the only one who is getting tired of the "all mysteries aura". To me, it seems that the shows that were just so great in the beginning (to me that was lost S01 and 02, prison break 01 and 02 and Heroes s01) are stuck somewhere, getting rid of their greatness by just widening the plot stupidly (Heroes) or just repeating the same schedule all over again (Prison Break). If it ended in three seasons with a certain "END" that would be believeable and intelligent plot-wise.. ![]() As I said, I still watch it time to time when I need a rest.. but Its more like a habit as I dont feel the deep thrill of it anymore. Like when the characters were getting to the inevitable battle in the end of Heroes s01 or some parts of Lost in season 2 which left me speechless after the ending title because of the writers geniousness. That was just great. Guess Ill hope to see some better times.. ![]() | ||
Orome
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On February 13 2009 05:08 cava wrote: This season has been crammed full of answers to previous questions, but they cant answer everything at once. Rose and Bernard have always been side characters since the beginning as well. Im sure Sayid will explain why he is not so thrilled with Ben relatively shortly. Im also thinking that we will find more about the black guy toward the end of the season after they finally are ready to all go back to the island, I have a feeling that he is the oppostion and will make an attempt to stop them. The island was jumping back and forth through time, so we learned a few things about a few time periods that will probably come full circle not this season but the last. That's my point, I'm sure they haven't just forgotten, but there are so many characters and so many plot lines they can't possibly keep up with all of them. Plot lines like Jacob, Christian Shephard and Claire for example. They'll come up again eventually, but because of the enormous complexity of the plot, the unravelling of the different plot lines has become incredibly distracted. | ||
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but thats ok, as long as i ignore that I still enjoy the show anyways | ||
cava
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On February 13 2009 07:44 travis wrote: I am thoroughly convinced that they totally just make this show up as they go along and will probably never answer more questions than they create. but thats ok, as long as i ignore that I still enjoy the show anyways I feel exactly like this but with Heroes. The plot lines on that show take rediculous turns that make no sense. But Lost has had a general plotline planned out since the beginning. | ||
numberThirtyOne
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On February 13 2009 04:36 Orome wrote: In the last episode, when they were pursued by that boat, were you guys excited and wondering who those new people were? I was mostly just annoyed at yet another group of people to make this mess even more complicated. I'd be extremely surprised if those were new people. They were obviously placed that far away on purpose so that we wouldn't get a good look at them and recognize who they were. The best theory I've heard so far on them is + Show Spoiler + that it's the Oceanic 6 after coming back to the Island sometime in the future. In Season 3, we learned that the Others were building a runway on the smaller Island with the Hydra station. That runway could have been so the O6 could fly back there on Ajira(sp) Airways. They then come to the main island via those outrigger boats (they're the same style of boat we see Carl and everyone using to get to the Hydra and back). At some point, the O6 see that someone has run off with one of their boats, so they chase after and shoot at them. | ||
Ichigo1234551
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THE ISLAND IS DEATH!!!!!!!! | ||
Epicfailguy
Norway893 Posts
On February 13 2009 07:44 travis wrote: I am thoroughly convinced that they totally just make this show up as they go along and will probably never answer more questions than they create. but thats ok, as long as i ignore that I still enjoy the show anyways I really dont think so. At one point I thought the same, but the island skipping through time, answers a lot of the completely random things we've seen in the earlier seasons, like characters appearing in random places and saying random things. At the time, it didnt mean anything, but 4 seasons later we get the explanation. I like it. I love how lost makes you think, even if its a lot more unanswered questions. | ||
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stafu
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For example, when Richard visits baby Locke, you're just like wtf? That was a while ago now, and just recently it was fully explained. I've also been re-watching season 1 with my girlfriend, and Danielle mentions in season 1 about one of her French people she rocked up to the island with losing his arm -- the whole conversation about it lasts around 30 seconds. Now in season 5 we see the guy lose his arm. Love it ![]() | ||
omfghi2u2
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Also, 4 toed statue? | ||
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On February 15 2009 16:36 theKnife wrote: 4 toed statue is possibly related to the temple the smoke monster is guarding/lives in -- it had Egyptian heiroglyphics all over it and the 4 toed statue seems to fit with that theme. i think this is likely, seeing as thy still havnt really even explained the smoke monster itself, aside from calling it a guardian | ||
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anch
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Jin was totally wtf at the end, with Dharma suit and like new car. + Show Spoiler [lol prediction] + could Jacob be Charles's dad? cuz of his time traveling..... | ||
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p4NDemik
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On February 20 2009 05:26 Orome wrote: really cool episode :o I thought it was really sub par imo. + Show Spoiler + 40% of the episode was Farraday's mom explaining how shit was gonna go down, which wasn't really that stimulating. The characters were asking questions that were figured out by the audience a few episodes ago, and then another 40% of the episode was the drama of "dealing" with going back, etc, which was just getting old at this point. All of this hardly made room for any really interesting plot development, rather it was more like the writers just were like using this episode as a boring segway for explaining how they were going to get back. For a show that draws viewers back because of it's ludicrous plot twists, it really was just like hell trying to watch the first 30 minutes. The return of Lapidus, Jin as a part of Dharma, and Ben being Ben (wtf happened to him) were the only things worth watching, and that all happened in the last 10-15 minutes. I really enjoyed the last couple episodes, and this one just sucked majorly in comparison. Possibly interesting parts, (like how Hugo knew about the plan, what Kate did with the kid, etc.) when inquired about were answered with "DON'T EVER ASK ME THAT AGAIN." or "Does that really matter right now?" YES! It does fucking matter! I mean I'm all cool with the writers deciding to withhold stuff from the viewer, but when you do so by making your characters act retarded it doesn't do anything but frustrate. | ||
Epicfailguy
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I dont know what, but theres something about lost that I really really enjoy, I just love it. | ||
TryThis
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Next weeks ep. is apparently a locke centric one, that was originally ment to be aired this week, but once they were both filmed they put them up in this order cause it made more sence apparently. with jin being all dharmad out, a while back i saw an ad with everyone like that, so its looking like that wasnt just a hoax everyone will prob join up. Im assuming the time shifts will have stopped now, so their stuck in the dharma time | ||
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On February 20 2009 07:04 p4NDemik wrote: I thought it was really sub par imo. 40% of the episode was Farraday's mom explaining how shit was gonna go down, which wasn't really that stimulating. The characters were asking questions that were figured out by the audience a few episodes ago, and then another 40% of the episode was the drama of "dealing" with going back, etc, which was just getting old at this point. All of this hardly made room for any really interesting plot development, rather it was more like the writers just were like using this episode as a boring segway for explaining how they were going to get back. For a show that draws viewers back because of it's ludicrous plot twists, it really was just like hell trying to watch the first 30 minutes. The return of Lapidus, Jin as a part of Dharma, and Ben being Ben (wtf happened to him) were the only things worth watching, and that all happened in the last 10-15 minutes. I really enjoyed the last couple episodes, and this one just sucked majorly in comparison. Possibly interesting parts, (like how Hugo knew about the plan, what Kate did with the kid, etc.) when inquired about were answered with "DON'T EVER ASK ME THAT AGAIN." or "Does that really matter right now?" YES! It does fucking matter! I mean I'm all cool with the writers deciding to withhold stuff from the viewer, but when you do so by making your characters act retarded it doesn't do anything but frustrate. A solid number of Lost fans finished watching these time-travel episodes scratching their heads. It's necessary for the writers to explain to these folks what's "gonna go down," because they don't want to lose viewers. For those of us who are familiar with scifi weirdness and gonzo story-telling, this is explanation process is tedious, but it's the price you pay for having such a zany show break into the mainstream. It sucks, but oh well. As for the quality of the overall episode, I respectfully disagree. How the Oceanic 6 return is pretty important to what's about to happen next, and I thought the build up to the flight and the "possibly interesting parts" you identified were all really entertaining. Anyway, Wednesday's episode is going to be killer. And it's kind of par for the course that Lost's writers lead into a dynamite episode with blander fare. Seriously, this weeks ep is going to own so much, it's not even funny. | ||
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Hurley seems to be very funny lately. | ||
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"Whats gonna happen to the rest of the people on the plane?" Ben: "Who cares?" | ||
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John: "What's it do?" Richard: "It's a compass john, it points north." i giggled for like twenty minutes after that one. so excellent. | ||
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charles was talking about a war earlier whpo would the sides be? did he assume ben an locke would be opposing eachother, not to mention all those noobs on the island who are gunna stir shit up, that dude who got a sawed off? so yea WTF pretty much sums things up | ||
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BEN MOTHER FUCKING KILLED LOCKE, IS THAT NOT ENOUGH?! | ||
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On February 27 2009 00:45 TryThis wrote: when i first saw the guy from fringe in the show, i was semi-praying for a crossover deal, but it seems that isnt gunna happen now charles was talking about a war earlier whpo would the sides be? did he assume ben an locke would be opposing eachother, not to mention all those noobs on the island who are gunna stir shit up, that dude who got a sawed off? so yea WTF pretty much sums things up This is what I think: Theres a reason to why Charles was banished from the island. Most likely because he wanted to do something against its will, exploit it in some way or whatever, regardless Ben decided to get rid of him, possibly acting on orders from jacob. Charles said something like "theres a war comming, and if you're not there, the wrong side wins" He didnt say good or bad, just wrong. Now think about this, Locke was told by that guy who plays in batman begins and stargate sg1 that he had to die in order to bring the people back. The guy down the well said "Thats why they call it sacrifice". The dude down the well was well aware of the fact that Locke needed to die, and when Locke mentioned the name of the old lady in the church after the whole "dont kill yourself"-scene, Ben killed him right away. When Locke said that name, Ben knew what was going on, and acted on what "the island" wanted him to do, in other words Ben is good. Charles is bad. The war will be between Charles and the people/beeings on the island. Simply because Charles is a bitter fucking asshole who wants to screw people over couse he got owned when trying to pull something, back in the days. | ||
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Maybe Richard? But he also wants John back so... | ||
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On February 27 2009 04:09 ktp wrote: Ben is ganna shit his pants when he wakes up to find that Jesus himself has been recsurrected. if my Jesus you mean locke then i dunno, i think he is expecting him to come back. I think Ben knows Jacks father is alive on the island. Which also makes me wonder what brole he's going to play, because jack must know he's alive for sure, and will know 100% when he sees locke alive. I mean think about he, he saw he dads empty coffin already. Aswell as following his dad around in the jungle a few times and this just gives me more questions. Its a horrid cycle that ive got myself trapt in | ||
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I think Lost is the best show on TV ever! | ||
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On February 27 2009 05:05 TryThis wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2009 04:09 ktp wrote: Ben is ganna shit his pants when he wakes up to find that Jesus himself has been recsurrected. if my Jesus you mean locke then i dunno, i think he is expecting him to come back. I think Ben knows Jacks father is alive on the island. Which also makes me wonder what brole he's going to play, because jack must know he's alive for sure, and will know 100% when he sees locke alive. I mean think about he, he saw he dads empty coffin already. Aswell as following his dad around in the jungle a few times and this just gives me more questions. Its a horrid cycle that ive got myself trapt in John never told Ben what Jacob said to him (that John had to die in order to get everyone back). Ben also said "goodbye I'll miss you" after he killed him so I think he killed John thinking he was going to stay that way lol. This is probably the best episode of the season so far. It explains so much. I am especially glad John came back alive; he is by far the most interesting character on the show. I honestly don't know who to trust now: Ben or Charles... neither can really be trusted. | ||
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I'm really disappointed they killed off Abbadon, guy was the #1 mysterious character left on the show goddamnit awesome episode imo | ||
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United States7218 Posts
On February 27 2009 12:42 Orome wrote: I'm really disappointed they killed off Abbadon, guy was the #1 mysterious character left on the show goddamnit awesome episode imo he'll probably be back | ||
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On February 27 2009 12:42 Orome wrote: I'm really disappointed they killed off Abbadon, guy was the #1 mysterious character left on the show goddamnit awesome episode imo + Show Spoiler + USE SPOILER TAAAAAAAGS GOD DAAAAAAAAAMN | ||
cava
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On February 27 2009 13:16 D10 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2009 12:42 Orome wrote: I'm really disappointed they killed off Abbadon, guy was the #1 mysterious character left on the show goddamnit awesome episode imo + Show Spoiler + USE SPOILER TAAAAAAAGS GOD DAAAAAAAAAMN I don't see how you can go into a thread about the current season and expect not to get spoiled. | ||
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On February 27 2009 12:42 Orome wrote: I'm really disappointed they killed off Abbadon, guy was the #1 mysterious character left on the show goddamnit awesome episode imo agreed, i had high hope for him also, honestly, look at the other posts, they give away so much more then this, spoilers in this thread are kinda redundant | ||
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After all this lost seems to be all about ancient egypt. LOL. Man I love this show though. | ||
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On March 05 2009 13:40 TryThis wrote: ![]() That graphs wrong, they explain plenty of stuff--they only raise more questions by doing it though. | ||
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On March 05 2009 16:14 malongo wrote: I just want to know what is the black smoke. Ive followed 5 seasons just to know what it is, i dont care if the island blows up or everybody dies. More black smoke! and chicks for sure. My guess is that the black smoke "corrects" the island timeline. For example if there is 2 of you co-existing within one time, the black smoke kills one of you so theres only one of you. Like when Charlotte's body goes back in time, it "dissapears" because she already exists as a child version of herself. More chicks? More Juliet. On March 05 2009 17:29 likeaboss wrote: ithe guy who was the leader of darhma, where have i seen him before? One of this Losties (Locke I think) had a flashback where he/she saw Horce chopping down a tree. And his body was found in that giant pit of dead bodies shown in one of the earlier seasons. He had his dharma worksuit and nametag on him. | ||
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On March 05 2009 17:55 ktp wrote: Show nested quote + On March 05 2009 16:14 malongo wrote: I just want to know what is the black smoke. Ive followed 5 seasons just to know what it is, i dont care if the island blows up or everybody dies. More black smoke! and chicks for sure. My guess is that the black smoke "corrects" the island timeline. For example if there is 2 of you co-existing within one time, the black smoke kills one of you so theres only one of you. Like when Charlotte's body goes back in time, it "dissapears" because she already exists as a child version of herself. More chicks? More Juliet. Show nested quote + On March 05 2009 17:29 likeaboss wrote: ithe guy who was the leader of darhma, where have i seen him before? One of this Losties (Locke I think) had a flashback where he/she saw Horce chopping down a tree. And his body was found in that giant pit of dead bodies shown in one of the earlier seasons. He had his dharma worksuit and nametag on him. I doubt the black smoke is that, and obvioulsy no one of the characters know what it is exactly, remember that the black smoke attacked several guys. And for the chicks i love Charlotte i just cant get again from her eyes. | ||
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They could've ended the series right there :p Also, what the hell happened to all the other survivors from the plane? It's like they've been forgotten, unless something happened to them that I can't remember. | ||
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On March 05 2009 19:29 Nazarene wrote: Hmm, I don't get why they didn't just take that submarine back to civilization? They could've ended the series right there :p Also, what the hell happened to all the other survivors from the plane? It's like they've been forgotten, unless something happened to them that I can't remember. I was wondering the exact same thing. I can't remember exactly what happened... when did Juliet, Sawyer, the asian dude and Daniel separate from the dozens of other survivers? And... wouldn't the other survivers be experiencing the same flashes as them? Or were some of the survivers killed on the boat when it blew up. FUCK i can't remember. I wish they would explain that, or maybe someone here can tell me why I'm confused. Also, you know how Whitmore told Locke that the Oceanic 6 had been living life for 3 years? I'm having trouble converting that to island time. So, Sawyer and his party went back in time to a point 3 years BEFORE the Oceanic Six showed up (but also back in time). I wonder when/if they'll all get back to the normal time. | ||
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Horace was the guy who hired Ben's dad, he was killed in the purge later. He also appeared in one of Locke's dreams. godawful episode imho, Sawyer picking flowers, the super-annoying love triangle getting even more ridiculous and nothing at all important happening. | ||
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On March 05 2009 23:42 dm47 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 05 2009 19:29 Nazarene wrote: Hmm, I don't get why they didn't just take that submarine back to civilization? They could've ended the series right there :p Also, what the hell happened to all the other survivors from the plane? It's like they've been forgotten, unless something happened to them that I can't remember. I was wondering the exact same thing. I can't remember exactly what happened... when did Juliet, Sawyer, the asian dude and Daniel separate from the dozens of other survivers? And... wouldn't the other survivers be experiencing the same flashes as them? Or were some of the survivers killed on the boat when it blew up. FUCK i can't remember. I wish they would explain that, or maybe someone here can tell me why I'm confused. Also, you know how Whitmore told Locke that the Oceanic 6 had been living life for 3 years? I'm having trouble converting that to island time. So, Sawyer and his party went back in time to a point 3 years BEFORE the Oceanic Six showed up (but also back in time). I wonder when/if they'll all get back to the normal time. they went back to way before that, to 1976 i think sawyer said, it's so Whitmore can't find the island because it's constantly moving through time. It's also before the purge and everything important that happened, but since the island moved back in time, 3 years has passed on and off the island. | ||
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So im guessing three years have passed on the island AND on the outside world. and that stupid love triangle is a square cause jack and kate slept together before going back a few episodes ago, you just know that'll come back. | ||
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On March 05 2009 19:29 Nazarene wrote: Hmm, I don't get why they didn't just take that submarine back to civilization? They could've ended the series right there :p that's what I said when Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid and Sun went back to civilization and look where we are now lol | ||
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On March 05 2009 15:34 cava wrote: You had to have seen that coming ... I liked this episode a lot. We got a glimpse of the ancient statue right before their last time warp. It appeared to be egyptian, and is consistant with an egyptian god with only 4 toes (cant remember the gods name). Also, there have been many sightings of hyroglyphics throughtout the show including when the hatch went past 0, inside the wheel room, and the temple that the smoke monster appears to be guarding. Richard also appears not to age, maybe he is an ancient egyptian pharoah? They made it a point to say that he wears eye linar, which egyptians did do. Also, the islands "exit point" for the person who moves the island is tunisia, very close to egypt. Wasnt the black rock also a slave ship set sail from somewhere in africa? After all this lost seems to be all about ancient egypt. LOL. Man I love this show though. From reading other forums, the Egyptian statue looks like the God Horus, which is interestingly similar to Horace's name. Also, the ankh that was around pregnant girls dead husband's neck is apparently Egyptian too. I still like the show, but I just want it to be over so there's no more stupid questions to answer! edit: clarity. | ||
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United States21 Posts
On March 05 2009 23:42 dm47 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 05 2009 19:29 Nazarene wrote: Hmm, I don't get why they didn't just take that submarine back to civilization? They could've ended the series right there :p Also, what the hell happened to all the other survivors from the plane? It's like they've been forgotten, unless something happened to them that I can't remember. I was wondering the exact same thing. I can't remember exactly what happened... when did Juliet, Sawyer, the asian dude and Daniel separate from the dozens of other survivers? And... wouldn't the other survivers be experiencing the same flashes as them? Or were some of the survivers killed on the boat when it blew up. FUCK i can't remember. I wish they would explain that, or maybe someone here can tell me why I'm confused. Also, you know how Whitmore told Locke that the Oceanic 6 had been living life for 3 years? I'm having trouble converting that to island time. So, Sawyer and his party went back in time to a point 3 years BEFORE the Oceanic Six showed up (but also back in time). I wonder when/if they'll all get back to the normal time. You mean the other survivors from the first plane? Most of them were killed in the flaming arrows attack, save your main characters. A bunch kicked it when the freighter blew up as well. The "red shirts" are dead, as the lead writers put it. My best guess as to the apparent time incongruities is this: Moving the island can lead to unpredictable results. If you remember, when Ben moved the island he appeared in the Tunisian desert, "the exit," as Whitmore called it. He iced a couple dudes and stole their horses and made his way to a hotel in Tunisia. When he gets to the front desk, he asks the women if it's 2005 and she says yes. Ben's apparent uncertainty suggests that the mover of the island may exit at different time than it "should" be, based on the amount of time elapsed on the island. So it's possible that when Locke turns the wheel and moves the island, he exited 3 years after he left. During that time, all the events we witnessed (Hurley going back to Santa Rosa, Jack and Kate hooking up and almost getting married, Sayyid killing fools for Ben, etc) have already transpired. Ditto for those on the island. As we saw in the last episode, Sawyer, Juliet, Miles, etc made a life for themselves in the Dharma Initiative. This assumes that time passes on and off the island at roughly the same rate. But if you go back to what we learned about the freighter that is either incorrect (because of the doctor washing up on the island before he was murdered) OR the island is off some in time OR fuck i don't know. I can't really explain the freighter time weirdness. | ||
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Totals: 111 mysteries : 30 Solved / 46 Partially solved / 35 Unsolved God I love this show. | ||
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On March 05 2009 19:29 Nazarene wrote: Hmm, I don't get why they didn't just take that submarine back to civilization? They could've ended the series right there :p They could take the submarine, but then they would have to come back to the island somehow. Remember, Locke believes that everyone is on the Island for a reason, and he is absolutely right. Nobody goes back to their normal life. Jack becomes an alcoholic, Michael becomes suicidal, Hugo starts seeing dead people, etc. Staying on the island is their fate. Locke was trying to convince everyone that everyone was destined to crash and stay on the island the entire time, and nobody believed him until he died. | ||
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On March 07 2009 11:27 Faronel wrote: One question... How could Jin be caught in the flash, and not the Oceanic 6 (who were close to the island than Jin was when the freighter exploded)? hm yeah, that doesn't seem to make sense. does anyone have an explanation for this? | ||
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On March 08 2009 04:07 Orome wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2009 11:27 Faronel wrote: One question... How could Jin be caught in the flash, and not the Oceanic 6 (who were close to the island than Jin was when the freighter exploded)? hm yeah, that doesn't seem to make sense. does anyone have an explanation for this? taking a wild guess, they were airborn and moving away from the island right? jin was in the water actually swimming TOWARD the island maybe since he was in the water he held his ties to the island, cause otherwise well...he would have drowned | ||
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decafchicken
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On March 07 2009 11:59 2Pacalypse- wrote: Interesting fact from Lostpedia mysteries section. Totals: 111 mysteries : 30 Solved / 46 Partially solved / 35 Unsolved God I love this show. wow that site is great | ||
cava
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Originally Posted by tucker672 Ra – Richard Albert Ra was the almost universally-worshipped king of the gods and all-father of creation. Ra is the most central god of the Egyptian pantheon. He is the only god, apart from Osiris, who is definitely said to be not on the earth. Ra, it is said, is an aging god, still powerful, but too old to deal with his children any longer, so he has gone exclusively to the sky to watch over the world. My Comment: He is definitely an ageing God, just not physically. We see him frequently show up in the show, but does seem as if he watches over but does not interfere however he is still powerful and his authority never challenged, in the present at least. He is definitely not of this earth because of the entire phenomenon associated with him. Osiris – John Locke Throughout the height of Egyptian civilization, Osiris was the primary deity. In power, he was second only his father, Ra, and was the leader of the gods on earth. Osiris resided in the underworld as the lord of the dead, as after being killed by Set. My Comment: He definitely does listen and follow Richard and does do what he says. He now resides in the underworld because he was killed. Set – Ben Set was one of ancient Egypt's earliest gods, a god of chaos, confusion, storms, wind, the desert and foreign lands. He was a contender to the throne of Osiris and rival to Horus, but a companion to the sun god Ra. Originally worshiped and seen as an ambivalent being, during the Third Intermediate Period the people vilified him and turned him into a god of evil. But Seth is not an evil god: he is the god who committed the immoral and evil act of murdering his brother Osiris, but it was this vile act that allowed Osiris to fulfil his destiny and become the god of the dead. Without Seth, there would not have been life after death. My Comment: He does use Smokey to cause damage; also he does travel to and from the island. He does rival Horus as we have found out, and definitely wants to be leader over Locke, but as we have seen has always been a companion of Richard’s. Does appear as if people now view him as evil. He did kill Locke and fulfilled the destiny of sacrifice and rebirth. Horus – Horace The worship of Horus was brought from the outside by neighbouring tribes who invaded and then settled into Egypt. He was their god of war; he was the protector and guide to the pharaoh on earth. He also continual battles with Set. My Comment: Brought outside by Dharma Initiative, elevated as leader to fight the others (war). Battles with Ben but Ben and the others topple him. Also is a guide to John Locke when he shows him where the map is. Anubis – Jacob Anubis was the god to protect the dead and bring them to the afterlife. The distinctive black color of Anubis “with the black soil of the Nile valley, symbolizing rebirth." My Comment: Does seem to control the dead as we have seen with Jack’s dad and advising others. Ammit- Smokey Ammit is described as "The Devourer" patron of destruction of the souls of the wicked. Ammit sits beneath the Scales of Justice, waiting for the souls to be judged. If the soul is found to be more wicked than good, Anibus feeds it to Ammit. My Comment:This describes Smokey very well, also beneath the scales beneath the temple where Jacob previously resided. | ||
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So what does killing the teenage Ben mean? Will the present Ben die instantly? Or can the teenage Ben never be killed since he had already lived to his present age in the original timeline? | ||
GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
From my understanding of the Lost universe, teenage Ben can't be killed. Still wondering where the burning bus came from though. I figured they would show Sayid lighting Jin's bus up and sending it at the camp to distract Dharma while he got away, but it never happened. | ||
zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
man sayid should've really shot him more than one time, go up close and shoot him in the head a couple of times to make sure he's dead or something. | ||
talismania
United States2364 Posts
On March 26 2009 12:23 GGQ wrote: + Show Spoiler + From my understanding of the Lost universe, teenage Ben can't be killed. Still wondering where the burning bus came from though. I figured they would show Sayid lighting Jin's bus up and sending it at the camp to distract Dharma while he got away, but it never happened. + Show Spoiler + I presume it was engineered by young linus as a distraction | ||
Faronel
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I'm with zulu on this one, but obviously Ben isn't going to die; he was wearing a conveniently placed something. | ||
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but I own the shirt that kid ben was wearing! The one w/ stripes and all. | ||
littlechava
United States7218 Posts
On March 27 2009 07:28 talismania wrote: Show nested quote + On March 26 2009 12:23 GGQ wrote: + Show Spoiler + From my understanding of the Lost universe, teenage Ben can't be killed. Still wondering where the burning bus came from though. I figured they would show Sayid lighting Jin's bus up and sending it at the camp to distract Dharma while he got away, but it never happened. + Show Spoiler + I presume it was engineered by young linus as a distraction er, didn't it happen after the fire? wasn't jin on his way to the fire to help? | ||
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On March 27 2009 09:48 Sunyveil wrote: man that episode sucked but I own the shirt that kid ben was wearing! The one w/ stripes and all. You DO realize the show is set in 70's now? On March 26 2009 12:23 GGQ wrote: + Show Spoiler + From my understanding of the Lost universe, teenage Ben can't be killed. Still wondering where the burning bus came from though. I figured they would show Sayid lighting Jin's bus up and sending it at the camp to distract Dharma while he got away, but it never happened. + Show Spoiler + Yeah I agree that Ben probably can't die. Remember that Locke is still alive^^ Maybe the island is course-correcting things as they should be or something... And I thought it was pretty obvious that burning bus was set by young Ben as a distraction while rescuing Sayid. Anyways, here's a pretty good review of last episode. | ||
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omfghi2u2
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Wouldnt ben recognize Sayid since they had an actual conversation, if Widmore was able to recognize Locke after one line? I dont recall Ben recognizing Sayid in Season 2... | ||
Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
he says 'I want lists in 3 days' to Ethan before Ethan runs off, he was definitely very well informed of who exactly was on that plane before he saw Sayid face to face the first time. | ||
EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
On March 27 2009 13:46 omfghi2u2 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Wouldnt ben recognize Sayid since they had an actual conversation, if Widmore was able to recognize Locke after one line? I dont recall Ben recognizing Sayid in Season 2... + Show Spoiler + He might have recognized sayid and just not have said anything. Also, in response to the above comments: yeah ben is definitely not dead from that one shot. My guess is that richard and the others will find ben, and the events will unfold like they should for the dharma initiative to get screwed over. And what ben said earlier to sayid at that habitat for humanity place makes more sense now; it's as if ben was remembering the time when sayid shot him as a kid and was simply alluding to that event when he told sayid. | ||
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United States831 Posts
On March 27 2009 15:08 EpiK wrote: Show nested quote + On March 27 2009 13:46 omfghi2u2 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Wouldnt ben recognize Sayid since they had an actual conversation, if Widmore was able to recognize Locke after one line? I dont recall Ben recognizing Sayid in Season 2... + Show Spoiler + He might have recognized sayid and just not have said anything. Also, in response to the above comments: yeah ben is definitely not dead from that one shot. My guess is that richard and the others will find ben, and the events will unfold like they should for the dharma initiative to get screwed over. And what ben said earlier to sayid at that habitat for humanity place makes more sense now; it's as if ben was remembering the time when sayid shot him as a kid and was simply alluding to that event when he told sayid. + Show Spoiler + But didn't ben say when he first say sayid in season 2 are you here to torture me? Or am I thinking of someone else. | ||
MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
On March 27 2009 07:28 talismania wrote: Show nested quote + On March 26 2009 12:23 GGQ wrote: + Show Spoiler + From my understanding of the Lost universe, teenage Ben can't be killed. Still wondering where the burning bus came from though. I figured they would show Sayid lighting Jin's bus up and sending it at the camp to distract Dharma while he got away, but it never happened. + Show Spoiler + I presume it was engineered by young linus as a distraction + Show Spoiler + I figured they would show Sayid lighting Jin's bus up and sending it at the camp to distract Dharma while he got away As in torching a second bus and sending it to the camp for more lulz. Obviously Ben did the first one. | ||
MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
But didn't ben say when he first say sayid in season 2 are you here to torture me? Or am I thinking of someone else. + Show Spoiler + Why didn't he ask anyone else if they were going to torture him? Maybe because he already knew who Sayid was. Also, Ben lies and doesn't give information when it doesn't help him. And he was trying to pass for a "not other". Saying "OH HAI I remember you from years back" wouldn't exactly sell his story of being a survivor of a recent balloon wreck. | ||
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On March 27 2009 15:39 ktp wrote: Where is Faraday in all of this? Did he run off or something? I think Sawyer said he left the village or something. My guess is he is working with that Asian Professor, the guy from the videos, damn cant remember his name. | ||
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
stupid sayid. He should've shot ben in the head. | ||
Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + you may still survive a shot in the head, and the way Ben is being healed I bet it can heal any wound... perhaps he even has to die in order to be healed. we do not know what's going to happen. | ||
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United States131 Posts
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Faronel
United States658 Posts
Ben told Sayid that he's a killer in Haiti, and then Sayid goes back in time to tell Ben that "you're right, I am a killer." In the end Ben would have no reason for saying that you're a killer if Sayid hadn't told him that in the Ben's past. | ||
Marine50
Australia1764 Posts
On April 04 2009 11:28 dragonmax wrote: the islands healing properties saved ben, he is very important so the island saved him I don't think the normal healing properties saved Ben, as they did with Locke, Rose and some others. This time Richard had to take Ben into the temple to heal him and stated he wont be the same again. This type of healing is almost forceful with some consequences that Ben will have to face in the future (post-1977) | ||
meathook
1289 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + That's exactly what I thought. He is supposed to be experienced as an assassin, hired gun, torturer, etc.. yet he forgets to make 3 basic control shots to the head. Plot hole anyone?? | ||
EscPlan9
United States2777 Posts
On April 05 2009 09:05 meathook wrote: + Show Spoiler + That's exactly what I thought. He is supposed to be experienced as an assassin, hired gun, torturer, etc.. yet he forgets to make 3 basic control shots to the head. Plot hole anyone?? I don't know why some comments are spoiled and some aren't, so I'll just put this one behind spoiler... + Show Spoiler + Exactly what I was thinking. He just does one shot in the chest, briefly knocks out Jin, and leaves thinking mission accomplished? WTF? Maybe it was necessary so we could still hear young Ben speak, which then required Jack's assistance... basically it was just for the sake of moving the plot along and showing how Jack has changed now. | ||
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On April 05 2009 09:12 EscPlan9 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2009 09:05 meathook wrote: + Show Spoiler + That's exactly what I thought. He is supposed to be experienced as an assassin, hired gun, torturer, etc.. yet he forgets to make 3 basic control shots to the head. Plot hole anyone?? I don't know why some comments are spoiled and some aren't, so I'll just put this one behind spoiler... + Show Spoiler + Exactly what I was thinking. He just does one shot in the chest, briefly knocks out Jin, and leaves thinking mission accomplished? WTF? Maybe it was necessary so we could still hear young Ben speak, which then required Jack's assistance... basically it was just for the sake of moving the plot along and showing how Jack has changed now. + Show Spoiler + I don't know if you all missed this, but in episode 10 where Sayid shots Ben, it was CLEARLY in his left side of chest, specifically to his heart. And then, in episode 11 when Jin picks up Ben, the shot is CLEARLY on right side of Ben's chest. Now in lesser shows, this would clearly be due to lazy writers or a simple goof. But we all know that Lost is NOT a lesser show, so whatever they showed, they showed it with a purpose. Here's a pretty interesting review of last episode with some mind bending thinking. | ||
EscPlan9
United States2777 Posts
On April 05 2009 09:31 2Pacalypse- wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2009 09:12 EscPlan9 wrote: On April 05 2009 09:05 meathook wrote: + Show Spoiler + That's exactly what I thought. He is supposed to be experienced as an assassin, hired gun, torturer, etc.. yet he forgets to make 3 basic control shots to the head. Plot hole anyone?? I don't know why some comments are spoiled and some aren't, so I'll just put this one behind spoiler... + Show Spoiler + Exactly what I was thinking. He just does one shot in the chest, briefly knocks out Jin, and leaves thinking mission accomplished? WTF? Maybe it was necessary so we could still hear young Ben speak, which then required Jack's assistance... basically it was just for the sake of moving the plot along and showing how Jack has changed now. + Show Spoiler + I don't know if you all missed this, but in episode 10 where Sayid shots Ben, it was CLEARLY in his left side of chest, specifically to his heart. And then, in episode 11 when Jin picks up Ben, the shot is CLEARLY on right side of Ben's chest. Now in lesser shows, this would clearly be due to lazy writers or a simple goof. But we all know that Lost is NOT a lesser show, so whatever they showed, they showed it with a purpose. Here's a pretty interesting review of last episode with some mind bending thinking. Interesting... I definitely don't follow all those details and missed that. Thanks for sharing | ||
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Reason
United Kingdom2770 Posts
Does anyone know where I can watch season 4 online? I watched seasons 1-3 on tv-links.cc but that's all they have ![]() Anyone know of a site? | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On April 06 2009 06:07 Reason wrote: I just watched seasons 1-3 ... really enjoying it. Does anyone know where I can watch season 4 online? I watched seasons 1-3 on tv-links.cc but that's all they have ![]() Anyone know of a site? can you access video on Hulu? http://www.hulu.com/ I don't know about hulu for foreigners. Otherwise you can get on some torrent sites and see how that works out for you. | ||
ktp
United States797 Posts
On April 06 2009 06:00 TanGeng wrote: How is Lost Season 5? I stopped watching in season 2. Did it get better? Season 3 is better than Season 2. Season 4 and 5 is where the plot unfolds very fast. It depends on what you like about Lost, the character development in Season 1 where the Island is just a backdrop? Or do you like the scifi/mystery elements of the show (smoke monster, time travel)? | ||
Reason
United Kingdom2770 Posts
LAME edit: Oh and foreigners? I think perhaps you forget where you come from and from who the land you are now living on was stolen. I can't torrent otherwise I would have looked there myself that's why I'm asking if anyone knows where I can watch season 4 online... I can't download it. Thanks to Tangeng and jello_biafra I am watching Lost Season 4 Episode 1 on Hula via proxy server :D:D: thanks guys!¬ | ||
jello_biafra
United Kingdom6635 Posts
On April 06 2009 06:17 Reason wrote: Only viewers within the United States can watch these full-length videos. LAME You'll have to find a US proxy server and use that. Guide that should work: http://technicalbliss.blogspot.com/2007/04/how-to-use-free-proxy-with-firefox.html | ||
TryThis
Canada1522 Posts
http://watch.ctv.ca/lost/season-5/lost-ep-511-whatever-happened-happened/#clip156439 part one of the latest episode | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On April 06 2009 06:17 Reason wrote: Only viewers within the United States can watch these full-length videos. LAME edit: Oh and foreigners? I think perhaps you forget where you come from and from who the land you are now living on was stolen from. I can't torrent otherwise I would have looked there myself that's why I'm asking if anyone knows where I can watch season 4 online... I can't download it. Buy it with some money? If you're so morally outraged about theft, try getting morally outraged at yourself. And no I didn't steal the land that I live on. It was stolen long before I got here so don't lay that crime on my doorstep. | ||
Reason
United Kingdom2770 Posts
For Tangeng: + Show Spoiler + I'm not morally outraged about anything and I never said I was? I didn't accuse you of stealing the land that you live on? I didn't attempt to "lay that crime on your doorstep". What the fuck are you on about? Please accept my gratitude for directing me to Hula and forget about the comment which you just misinterpreted so horribly. Thanks again for your help. | ||
GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
On April 06 2009 06:43 Reason wrote: Can somebody tell me WTF happened between series 3 ending and series 4? The "previously on Lost" showed me a bunch of stuff I had never seen??? and it's back in civilization with Hurley after the car chase.. they got rescued? WTF? I don't know why the previously on lost showed you stuff you never saw; maybe you just forgot. But yes, in season four there are flash-forwards where some of the characters are off the island several years in the future. | ||
Railxp
Hong Kong1313 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + wow that website/review was a great find, definitely food for thought. The bit about Aron was really interesting, especially since i've stumbled upon a crackpot theory early in season2 that ties Aron to Jacob. Basically my friend was theorizing that jack's whole family is heavily involved with the island. Aron is in his extended family, and he was the only one to be born on the island. And so when the article talked about how Aron seemed to not exist to other people besides kate, i was getting an uncomfortable feeling in my gut. Feel free to poke holes in the Aron = Jacob theory, if anyone is interested. | ||
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United States797 Posts
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Reason
United Kingdom2770 Posts
On April 06 2009 07:14 GGQ wrote: Show nested quote + On April 06 2009 06:43 Reason wrote: Can somebody tell me WTF happened between series 3 ending and series 4? The "previously on Lost" showed me a bunch of stuff I had never seen??? and it's back in civilization with Hurley after the car chase.. they got rescued? WTF? I don't know why the previously on lost showed you stuff you never saw; maybe you just forgot. But yes, in season four there are flash-forwards where some of the characters are off the island several years in the future. Thanks for explaining that, and I realised I saw stuff I hadn't seen because I only watched part 1 of 2 of the final episode of season 3.. lol dumb GO HERE http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=nickname EPIC ps. Sawyer would call me "Cue Ball" <3 | ||
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omfghi2u2
United States831 Posts
alot of stuff happened as opposed to other episodes where nothing happens (looks at kate) | ||
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dm47
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all in all an interesting episode. at first I didn't think I was going to like it because of all the supernatural shit they're bringing in, but then I remembered that Locke's alive, and I've accepted that so I might as well accept Miles talking to dead people. It was inferred that they might explain it, so that might be enough for me. | ||
Athos
United States2484 Posts
Also, I liked the Miles-Hurley juxtaposition. It's really similar to the contrast between Jack and Locke; man of science versus man of faith. Hurley talks to the dead through visions, he does it through faith. Miles believes there is a scientific way that he is doing this, he is reading the information storied in a body's brain. Just something cool I wanted to point out. ![]() | ||
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omfghi2u2
United States831 Posts
totally saw the doctor being miles' dad. For some reason, the cinematography of this episode was better then the other ones. <- my opinion. it seemed very unique and memento ish like. | ||
Railxp
Hong Kong1313 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Eli, the old woman (present) who ben consulted with to send everyone back to the island, might be the same young blond woman who pointed a gun at them when the losties saw the nuke on the island (past). Loved miles' episode, + Show Spoiler + baby miles in a tiny dharma bag is soooo cute XD. cant wait till more of his story unfolds and they explain how he got his weird gift. (wife caught up in mad scientist experiment, anyone?) | ||
Lag
Serbia22 Posts
On March 27 2009 13:53 Orome wrote: + Show Spoiler + he says 'I want lists in 3 days' to Ethan before Ethan runs off, he was definitely very well informed of who exactly was on that plane before he saw Sayid face to face the first time. ben had cancer and he needed a doctor. thats why he was so hyped about the plane. we can clearly hear robert albert that ben will forget what happened to him so he would never remember sayid. btw, the egyptian gods theory is making more and more sense | ||
EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
On April 17 2009 17:21 Lag wrote: Show nested quote + On March 27 2009 13:53 Orome wrote: + Show Spoiler + he says 'I want lists in 3 days' to Ethan before Ethan runs off, he was definitely very well informed of who exactly was on that plane before he saw Sayid face to face the first time. ben had cancer and he needed a doctor. thats why he was so hyped about the plane. we can clearly hear robert albert that ben will forget what happened to him so he would never remember sayid. btw, the egyptian gods theory is making more and more sense haha 1st post on a starcraft forum is in a Lost thread -_- On April 17 2009 15:36 omfghi2u2 wrote: Just watched the episode. Miles backstory was great. + Show Spoiler + totally saw the doctor being miles' dad. For some reason, the cinematography of this episode was better then the other ones. <- my opinion. it seemed very unique and memento ish like. I agree. This episode was SO good. I love where the series is heading.. | ||
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cava
United States1035 Posts
On April 17 2009 16:06 Railxp wrote: Random Potential Lost Theory: + Show Spoiler + Eli, the old woman (present) who ben consulted with to send everyone back to the island, might be the same young blond woman who pointed a gun at them when the losties saw the nuke on the island (past). Pretty commonly accepted theory. I agree | ||
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Hong Kong1313 Posts
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Marine50
Australia1764 Posts
Judging by hurleys reaction after noticing they are building the hatch and his belief that you can change the past and alter the future, I really think this is a possibility. Just like Sayid was trying to change the future, but actually set a chain of events that lead to Ben becoming what he is today. Hurley will try and change it to but it'll be futile and he'll just end up making the Dharma install the 108 minute computer that lead to flight 815 crashing | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
So what does it mean that Faraday's mother planned to have Faraday killed? | ||
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brian
United States9619 Posts
was such a tool, but tried so hard to do it all right, and got fucked for both of them. and the new intro was a sneak peek at the new star trek movie. | ||
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9502 Posts
It's probably promotion for J.J. Abrams' upcoming Star Trek movie. | ||
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dm47
82 Posts
On May 01 2009 02:37 zulu_nation8 wrote: + Show Spoiler + So what does it mean that Faraday's mother planned to have Faraday killed? + Show Spoiler + She actually had no control over his death if you think about it. When she was young, she killed a strange man on the island who walked into her camp. Once she found out this was her son, there was really nothing she could do about it. Granted, she later birthed him, but she knew that one day Daniel would end up there and she would kill him. What do you guys think about the whole, 'changing the past idea'. I've understood everything up until now, but I didn't really like this concept. Seemed under-explained and far-fetched to me. I hope they elaborate on it more in future episodes | ||
Chuiu
3470 Posts
On May 01 2009 04:42 dm47 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 01 2009 02:37 zulu_nation8 wrote: + Show Spoiler + So what does it mean that Faraday's mother planned to have Faraday killed? + Show Spoiler + She actually had no control over his death if you think about it. When she was young, she killed a strange man on the island who walked into her camp. Once she found out this was her son, there was really nothing she could do about it. Granted, she later birthed him, but she knew that one day Daniel would end up there and she would kill him. What do you guys think about the whole, 'changing the past idea'. I've understood everything up until now, but I didn't really like this concept. Seemed under-explained and far-fetched to me. I hope they elaborate on it more in future episodes Desmond already showed us you can't change what happens, you can only change the circumstances under which they happen. + Show Spoiler + Charlie Also what the fuck is with them killing off my favorite characters. First Eko, now Faraday. None of the other characters are interesting to me. Except maybe Miles (watch he's next). | ||
Athos
United States2484 Posts
Other than that, it was an interesting Episode. I think Faraday miscalculated when he found 3 variables, Hurley, Kate, and Jack who weren't there before. Then again, he could have learned something about the Island that we don't know yet in Ann Arbor. And there is still Desmond, isn't he supposed to be Faraday's constant. It's all very confusing, but I think they may well be able to make sense out of it. (Infinite loops still don't make any sense to me). Edit: I think the the moral of the show is if you are going to kill a child, shoot him at least 10 times through the head. | ||
anch
United States5457 Posts
Daniel should've come earlier to the island. If he approves to kill Ben, then none of the people would be outcast. Also sucks that no one believes the lunatic/genius, when shit happens they gonna regret it. lol. | ||
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Railxp
Hong Kong1313 Posts
On May 01 2009 04:42 dm47 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 01 2009 02:37 zulu_nation8 wrote: + Show Spoiler + So what does it mean that Faraday's mother planned to have Faraday killed? + Show Spoiler + She actually had no control over his death if you think about it. When she was young, she killed a strange man on the island who walked into her camp. Once she found out this was her son, there was really nothing she could do about it. Granted, she later birthed him, but she knew that one day Daniel would end up there and she would kill him. What do you guys think about the whole, 'changing the past idea'. I've understood everything up until now, but I didn't really like this concept. Seemed under-explained and far-fetched to me. I hope they elaborate on it more in future episodes I suspect "The Others" have a goal which is to + Show Spoiler + change / get people out of the time loop, which is why Hawking + Widmore are willing to risk sacrifice their genius son's whole life just to send him back to "fix" things. But really, imo Faraday had no reason to point the gun at Richard, he could just as easily have talked them into giving it to him since he can do the whole "i know whats happening in the future" talk and prove it with jack/kate. Although that must be rough for Eloise knowing that she is sending her son back to be shot by herself. Its like....why did i fuck widmore in the first place again? And presumably that sob cheats on her too and so hes got Penny. Even though i love LOST a lot, i have to admit i dont really like them going down the cliche path of trying to break the time loop/change the past. But i guess that was inevitable when they introduced time travel. I love faraday, and would like to see the final piece of his puzzle (Teresa) eleborated on. Like do a full episode on what really happened. And PLEASE dont kill Miles ![]() *grumble grumble because it will probably happen once he uses his special abilities and satisfies his purpose* Looking forward to them explaining Jacob + four toed statue in future episodes, but sadly it probably won't happen in this season =( | ||
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
On May 01 2009 04:42 dm47 wrote: What do you guys think about the whole, 'changing the past idea'. I've understood everything up until now, but I didn't really like this concept. Seemed under-explained and far-fetched to me. I hope they elaborate on it more in future episodes I think they will try it (like daniel did) and will fail because they can't. What happened, happened, and we may get some more episodes where this becomes increasingly clear to them. On May 01 2009 06:12 Athos wrote: It's all very confusing, but I think they may well be able to make sense out of it. (Infinite loops still don't make any sense to me). What infinite loops? I've heard some people wondering about the compass richard gave locke gave richard etc etc zOMG, is that what you were thinking about? If so, that's pretty simple. Let's step through it chronologically. 1953: Locke shows up and gives Richard a compass. Richard: "iiinteresting, where'd this come from?" Locke: "you give it to me in the future". Richard: "..." Locke: "I'll be born soon, go check me out". Locke leaves. 1963: Richard goes to the mainland several years later and sees a young Locke and tests him by asking which objects are his. Among them is the compass. Locke picks it. This spooks Richard, so after he leaves he throws the compass into a fucking volcano. It's gone. 2003: Richard remembers he was supposed to give Locke a compass, so he goes to the compass factory and picks out a brand new shiny compass that looks just like the one he threw in the volcano. 2004: Richard gives his compass to Locke. Locke disappears to the past. No infinitely old compass. From the point of view of the compass, it was created in 2003, jumped back in time from 2004 to 1953, continued existing for another 10 years then was destroyed. One compass, finite age of 11 years. _______________________ Alternatively, Richard already had a compass when Locke gave him his. Richard now has two compasses: his original and a slightly older one given to him by Locke. 2004, he gives him the original. Now he only has the slightly older one given to him earlier by Locke. From the compasses point of view: it was created in 1850. In 2004 Richard gives compass A to John, who goes back in time with it. Locke gives it to Richard, who keeps it until 2135 when it is destroyed. Critical point being that between 1953 and 2004, Richard had two versions of the compass, just like how Jack was on the island in 1977 at the same time little Jack was on the mainland suffering through grade school. But there is only one compass, not stuck in a loop, with a finite age of 334 years. This one is harder to explain without a diagram, so just focus on the first scenario (the one with the volcano) if it bothers you. _______________________ edit: third possibility, basically a variation of scenario 1 1953: Locke gives a compass to Richard, tells Richard he will give the compass to Locke in the future. 2003: Richard decides he likes the compass and doesn't want to lose it to Locke, plus he wants to avoid tearing a hole in the universe by creating an infinitely old compass, so he buys a second one from the compass factory that is an exact duplicate of the one Locke gave him. 2004: He gives this new one to Locke, who goes back in time with it. For a year, there were two versions of the same compass in Richard's possession, one less than a year old, the other 50 years old. The 50 year old one stays with him. One compass, created in 2003, jumped back in time to 1953, then stayed with Richard into the 2130s. | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5423 Posts
So disappointed Faraday died. He was my favourite character. | ||
littlechava
United States7218 Posts
On May 02 2009 03:30 Klogon wrote: I think Miles is going to do something to piss of his dad, and that's why his dad is going to hate his newborn son. Maybe? I missed the part where Chang hates his son? Watch Miles' episode again, Chang clearly cared about him. On May 02 2009 07:15 SoleSteeler wrote: + Show Spoiler + So disappointed Faraday died. He was my favourite character. + Show Spoiler + He's not necessarily dead yet, given the nature of this show... | ||
GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
Also, I'm not yet convinced that Daniel is dead, partially because of said video. We will see. | ||
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micronesia
United States24679 Posts
Man, whenever I see a physicist get shot on network tv I die a little bit inside. | ||
ktp
United States797 Posts
On May 02 2009 07:44 GGQ wrote: Also, I'm not yet convinced that Daniel is dead, partially because of said video. We will see. I'm hoping for a full revival of all dead Losties for the finaly. Daniel, Charlie, and even that dreaded Ethan! Then everyone does a bollywood-esque dance like at the end. | ||
dm47
82 Posts
On May 02 2009 08:22 micronesia wrote: I've never cared for the interpretation of time travel where... if you go back you can't change what would happen. Then again this is related to my belief that you can't actually go back in time like that. Man, whenever I see a physicist get shot on network tv I die a little bit inside. hmm, mind sharing what your interpretation of time travel is? I'm not being facetious I'm just interested =). Also, for this part, Then again this is related to my belief that you can't actually go back in time like that. could you explain what do you mean by 'like that'? I've always thought that if you could manage to go back in time, you couldn't change anything, because you had already experienced your 'future', or... your life back in the present day. If you did change something, then... it would be like a whole new timeline would develop, totally separate from the one that you had already experienced. Here's something I've thought about that sort of relates to this. You remember those things from Men In Black that would erase a person's memory? If your memory is erased, don't you automatically jump to the point in time after it's been erased? Like, say you're going in for a surgery, and the surgeon tells you that they're not using anesthesia and that it's going to hurt like hell, but you won't remember it afterwords. Should you, or should you NOT be nervous about the pain from the upcoming surgery? When he's telling you this, you're there, listening, in your present. Do you continue with that present, experience the pain, and then wake up just having a fuzzy patch from what the hell you did the day before? | ||
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micronesia
United States24679 Posts
On May 02 2009 08:34 dm47 wrote: By 'like that' I mean you suddenly jump to a time of the past (say, years ago) like it happened in lost. One second you are in the present day, and another you are in an earlier time. I don't believe it possible based on the properties of the physical universe.Show nested quote + On May 02 2009 08:22 micronesia wrote: I've never cared for the interpretation of time travel where... if you go back you can't change what would happen. Then again this is related to my belief that you can't actually go back in time like that. Man, whenever I see a physicist get shot on network tv I die a little bit inside. hmm, mind sharing what your interpretation of time travel is? I'm not being facetious I'm just interested =). Also, for this part, Show nested quote + Then again this is related to my belief that you can't actually go back in time like that. could you explain what do you mean by 'like that'? If you somehow could do it anyway, then I would go with the idea that you can change the future. For example, if you go back to the day of your birth and then kill yourself, the moment your younger self dies, you cease to exist. It's pretty ridiculous sounding, but that's okay because jumping back in time is just as ridiculous. Also your question about the surgery example is based on a very important topic in philosophy, I believe. | ||
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Railxp
Hong Kong1313 Posts
On May 02 2009 07:44 GGQ wrote: Also, I'm not yet convinced that Daniel is dead, partially because of said video. We will see. Lostpedia disagrees. + Show Spoiler + Looking at that character list and all the red around it. Prospects are looking grim for lapidus and miles. As well as widmore i suppose, but hes the antagonist so he must die anyways. Going on a tangent i'd suspect ben will die for lock at some point? lol all this talk about time travel reminds me of that indie RTS game from previous thread | ||
Athos
United States2484 Posts
On May 02 2009 09:49 micronesia wrote: Show nested quote + By 'like that' I mean you suddenly jump to a time of the past (say, years ago) like it happened in lost. One second you are in the present day, and another you are in an earlier time. I don't believe it possible based on the properties of the physical universe.On May 02 2009 08:34 dm47 wrote: On May 02 2009 08:22 micronesia wrote: I've never cared for the interpretation of time travel where... if you go back you can't change what would happen. Then again this is related to my belief that you can't actually go back in time like that. Man, whenever I see a physicist get shot on network tv I die a little bit inside. hmm, mind sharing what your interpretation of time travel is? I'm not being facetious I'm just interested =). Also, for this part, Then again this is related to my belief that you can't actually go back in time like that. could you explain what do you mean by 'like that'? If you somehow could do it anyway, then I would go with the idea that you can change the future. For example, if you go back to the day of your birth and then kill yourself, the moment your younger self dies, you cease to exist. It's pretty ridiculous sounding, but that's okay because jumping back in time is just as ridiculous. Also your question about the surgery example is based on a very important topic in philosophy, I believe. This is what I meant about infinite loops. Time travel is impossible for a damn good reason. | ||
ktp
United States797 Posts
On May 02 2009 09:49 micronesia wrote: For example, if you go back to the day of your birth and then kill yourself, the moment your younger self dies, you cease to exist. It's pretty ridiculous sounding, but that's okay because jumping back in time is just as ridiculous. Aren't you just living out an alternate universe then? You are still alive, and you age normally, but its just that the baby version would not exist. | ||
decafchicken
United States20019 Posts
On May 02 2009 12:20 ktp wrote: Show nested quote + On May 02 2009 09:49 micronesia wrote: For example, if you go back to the day of your birth and then kill yourself, the moment your younger self dies, you cease to exist. It's pretty ridiculous sounding, but that's okay because jumping back in time is just as ridiculous. Aren't you just living out an alternate universe then? You are still alive, and you age normally, but its just that the baby version would not exist. if you already killed yourself in the past you wouldn't exist to kill yourself. | ||
Railxp
Hong Kong1313 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + But if this is the case LOST's finale would just be everyone going on their different lives, jack would keep being a doctor, kate running from the cops, sawyer still in his self destructive spiral ect. and the connection would never have been made (assuming jack/kate succeed faraday in detonating the bomb). Which imo would be a cliche and rather sad ending =(. hope it doesn't come to that. | ||
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Shivaz
Canada1783 Posts
On May 07 2009 11:22 zulu_nation8 wrote: can someone explain what happened tonight to me please + Show Spoiler + Apparently Locke wants to kill Jacob????? | ||
cava
United States1035 Posts
On May 07 2009 14:02 Shivaz wrote: Show nested quote + On May 07 2009 11:22 zulu_nation8 wrote: can someone explain what happened tonight to me please + Show Spoiler + Apparently Locke wants to kill Jacob????? I've gone through periods of loving locke and hating locke. This is one of my loving him phases. | ||
Chuiu
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the bomb is what causes the incident | ||
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zulu_nation8
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could it be that when jack and co leaves the island at the end of season 4 and they witness the island disappearing it was actually the hydrogen bomb going off? | ||
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Railxp
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On May 08 2009 04:13 zulu_nation8 wrote: + Show Spoiler + could it be that when jack and co leaves the island at the end of season 4 and they witness the island disappearing it was actually the hydrogen bomb going off? highly unlikely. Much more probable as has been mentioned before: + Show Spoiler + jack detonates the bomb and causes "the incident" which causes everything to happen just as it should. Notes: - I think its really cool how jack and john are at it again, each leading two different causes. Just like the time when one wanted to stay and one wanted to leave. - watching richard run around in two different time zones was mind boggling, trying to remember which is the Richard who knows whats going on and which is the clueless one who is just following the leader - If Eloise was really helping the survivors, wouldnt she NOT send them back in the first place? Then her son wouldn't get shot ect.ect.ect. So maybe her interests are to perpetuate the cycle? Hence leading jack to the bomb... - Jacob's God-esque relationship is an odd puzzle, and Locke (who is the believer) wants to kill him @_@ What is Locke's motive? to "free" people? certainly doesn't seem to be to save his fellow survivors, at least thats not priority 1 - I have no idea how ANY of this ties into the Lost Experience and the online goose chases information. No mention at all about who started DHARMA and whats with the talk about the initiative developing a virus or something or another. - GODDAMN they sure know how to make cliff hangers >=( | ||
littlechava
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BETTER BE GOOD | ||
Chuiu
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+ Show Spoiler + Actually at this point I think they're mostly done creating mysteries and are working towards wrapping up the series. | ||
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On May 14 2009 04:19 Chuiu wrote: There will be answers. But from those answers will arise hundreds more questions. + Show Spoiler + Actually at this point I think they're mostly done creating mysteries and are working towards wrapping up the series. Yeah, supposedly season 6 is the final season? | ||
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aslo: On May 12 2009 07:56 Athos wrote: Great movie, absolutely fabulous! Slight Lost Spoiler ahead: + Show Spoiler + Did anybody besides me think about how time travel in Star Trek is different from how time travel works in Lost? It's obviously the same crew (J.J Abram's) who made both masterpieces, and I'm wondering if this movie gives credence to Faraday's dieing idea that it is possible to change the past and alter the future (which is different from how we assume it is now, where no matter what you do you can't change the future.) I just think the timing of the movie and where the show is this season is really coincidental, and I'm wondering if there is anything to that. | ||
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On May 14 2009 12:11 zulu_nation8 wrote: i just saw it, i dont understand + Show Spoiler + That guy who was in lockes body was the blonde dude somehow, the one who we saw at the beginning of the episode with jacob as we saw the black rock about to make landfall at the island. We also saw him make contact with all the characters in the flashbacks | ||
Athos
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How can you not trigger a nuclear weapon by a thousand foot drop, fall down the thousand foot drop, and yet live to activate it by banging it with a rock? Other than that....Fantastic, awesome episode! | ||
cava
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+ Show Spoiler + the loophole must be that the man from the beginning of the episode can somehow assume the form of a dead bodies. "Christian" was not really christian shepherd, but that same man who then gave instructions to Locke. He gave instructions to Ben as Ben's daughter, to do whatever Locke says. When Locke's dead body came back, he assumed Locke's form and got Ben to kill Jacob. | ||
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On May 14 2009 12:24 cava wrote: Here is a pretty good theory about what happened I got from a lost forum + Show Spoiler + the loophole must be that the man from the beginning of the episode can somehow assume the form of a dead bodies. "Christian" was not really christian shepherd, but that same man who then gave instructions to Locke. He gave instructions to Ben as Ben's daughter, to do whatever Locke says. When Locke's dead body came back, he assumed Locke's form and got Ben to kill Jacob. Isn't that what Smoky does? | ||
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China26351 Posts
On May 14 2009 12:12 cava wrote: + Show Spoiler + That guy who was in lockes body was the blonde dude somehow, the one who we saw at the beginning of the episode with jacob as we saw the black rock about to make landfall at the island. We also saw him make contact with all the characters in the flashbacks o ok i missed the first 30min | ||
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On May 14 2009 12:28 Athos wrote: Show nested quote + On May 14 2009 12:24 cava wrote: Here is a pretty good theory about what happened I got from a lost forum + Show Spoiler + the loophole must be that the man from the beginning of the episode can somehow assume the form of a dead bodies. "Christian" was not really christian shepherd, but that same man who then gave instructions to Locke. He gave instructions to Ben as Ben's daughter, to do whatever Locke says. When Locke's dead body came back, he assumed Locke's form and got Ben to kill Jacob. Isn't that what Smoky does? I think that was assumed, but never proven or stated on the show. | ||
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edit- I wonder if the guy who killed Jacob controls smokey, or if Jacob did? | ||
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edit: in the last scene with john and jacob, that song, "John Jacob, Jacob Allan Smith... His name was mine name too..." got stuck in my head for no reason | ||
TryThis
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this is what we came up with so. I posit that the man at the beginning, known henceforth as X, and Jacob are in some kind of wargame. as we know they are not friends, as X said he would kill him but he doesn't. presumably they are bound by a set of rules. Rules to which Richard plays as somewhat of a referee. these rules govern the actions that X and Jacob can or cannot do. similar to a game of chess, the players would be X and Jacob, however the pieces would be Jack, Sawyer, Ben, etc. I think the end of the game involves breaking out of or into a different time loop. as we can see, Jacob plays the game by visiting peoples lives and altering them in subtle (or not so subtle, if you're sayid) ways. I think that X and Jacob have lived through this time loop numerable times, X for whatever reason doesn't want to break it, and Jacob does. Or perhaps based on the beginning scene, Jacob caused it and believes he can break it. X does not. I know that sounds like a stretch, but in previous seasons I had heard Ben and Widmore talk about "breaking rules" and I think on a couple of occasions ben has said "you don;t knw who your playing for, do you?" regardless, if you think my idea is balogna, don't even continue reading. What was the common thread in the flashbacks of the finale? Jacob was in all of them. FALSE. Juliet did not have a Jacob appearance in her flashback. This leads me to believe that Juliet is simply a piece of the game that Jacob has not had the foresight to manipulate. well who gives a shit about Juliet, right? Wrong. Juliet is the one who sets off the bomb. Juliet singlehandedly alters the state of the past, killing all of them. Jacob thinks he is out of the time loop, but Juliet has made it occur again. in 30 years, the plane crashes again because Miles was right. the bomb caused the hatch. The loop repeats. | ||
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littlechava
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have to wait until 2010 for this shit to end. | ||
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On May 14 2009 14:33 TryThis wrote: My friend and i (mostly him) spent a long time talking about the guy at the start. this is what we came up with so. I posit that the man at the beginning, known henceforth as X, and Jacob are in some kind of wargame. as we know they are not friends, as X said he would kill him but he doesn't. presumably they are bound by a set of rules. Rules to which Richard plays as somewhat of a referee. these rules govern the actions that X and Jacob can or cannot do. similar to a game of chess, the players would be X and Jacob, however the pieces would be Jack, Sawyer, Ben, etc. I think the end of the game involves breaking out of or into a different time loop. as we can see, Jacob plays the game by visiting peoples lives and altering them in subtle (or not so subtle, if you're sayid) ways. I think that X and Jacob have lived through this time loop numerable times, X for whatever reason doesn't want to break it, and Jacob does. Or perhaps based on the beginning scene, Jacob caused it and believes he can break it. X does not. I know that sounds like a stretch, but in previous seasons I had heard Ben and Widmore talk about "breaking rules" and I think on a couple of occasions ben has said "you don;t knw who your playing for, do you?" regardless, if you think my idea is balogna, don't even continue reading. What was the common thread in the flashbacks of the finale? Jacob was in all of them. FALSE. Juliet did not have a Jacob appearance in her flashback. This leads me to believe that Juliet is simply a piece of the game that Jacob has not had the foresight to manipulate. well who gives a shit about Juliet, right? Wrong. Juliet is the one who sets off the bomb. Juliet singlehandedly alters the state of the past, killing all of them. Jacob thinks he is out of the time loop, but Juliet has made it occur again. in 30 years, the plane crashes again because Miles was right. the bomb caused the hatch. The loop repeats. Very interesting theory indeed. edit: I have a question regarding this theory. If Jacob has lived through this loop many times, why would he be the one trying to get everyone back onto the island IF he already knows thisgroup of people are the ones trying to detonate the bomb which causes the plane to crash. | ||
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![]() Edit: This last season coming will really define whether lost goes down as one of the greatest show, if not the best show i've ever watched, or a pile of crap. If they wrap it up well fucking kudo's to the creators and writers, but if it all ends up with a bunch of plot holes and unexplained phenomena, i'll be sooooo so disappointed. | ||
LG)Sabbath
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its kind of a brainfuck though, the timeline goes: first jack gets on the plane, then he brings it down himself, then the plane crashes... doesnt make much sense to me | ||
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Norway2750 Posts
On May 14 2009 21:16 LG)Sabbath wrote: also, the bomb has to have caused the crash, otherwise miles' dad can just go back to his wife and then miles wont think his dad left him and so on its kind of a brainfuck though, the timeline goes: first jack gets on the plane, then he brings it down himself, then the plane crashes... doesnt make much sense to me ehm I think you messed up the time. the time when bomb exploded happened way BEFORE their plane crashed. (plane crashed due to Desmond didnt push the button) | ||
Ftrunkz
Australia2474 Posts
But theres no proof that faradays bomb is what caused the swan to be the way it is... For all we know they did just fix it, and they're now living an alternate universe than the one they lived on "30 years" in the future... Does anyone else think that jacks view on the "we'll never land on the island" is fucking SOOO stupid. For them, the present is the present, they cant change the past and re-live it, they can simply change the current time they're in and the 'present time' versions of them will live out that reality... Man im way to tired for this -_- | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + But i'll be damned if they take Juliet away from me ![]() | ||
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On May 14 2009 15:58 hiddink wrote: it was christian shepard aka "X" who told locke to get everyone back onto the island, not jacob. the above theory is interesting and fits the pieces You are right X told Locke to tell everyone else to go back, and he failed but eventually each one of them decided to go back with their own decision (except Sayid). However why did Jacob ask Hurley to go back, and Jacob is the reason Hurley went back? | ||
Reason
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Surfthechannel only has megavideo and some freaking CA site and neither are working for me T_T Worst 1000th post ever. | ||
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On May 15 2009 02:08 Reason wrote: Can anyone link somewhere I can watch these episodes? latest 2/season finale (the incident (1) + (2)) Surfthechannel only has megavideo and some freaking CA site and neither are working for me T_T Worst 1000th post ever. www.abc.com has all the episodes from all seasons in HD | ||
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I guess I'll just have to wait :S ![]() | ||
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Amber[LighT]
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On May 15 2009 02:32 Reason wrote: I can only get Lost related material... can you put a more specific link? Thanks for helping sorry I'm too dumb to find it if it's easy but... I can't see how to get it... abc.com --> free episodes --> lost --> EULA pops up (agree) --> install plugin --> ??? --> PROFIT! The new episode should be up there. They're pretty good about uploading new eps, but I can't install the plugin at work ![]() missed ur first post, sry | ||
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http://www.supernovatube.com/divx.php?viewkey=d035950b491f59b4d9c8 | ||
Reason
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Yes I am a human now let me watch this video !! lol!! divx/postinstall/win LOL Thanks again this is exactly what I needed. DivX is the cherry on top ! | ||
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Also the bullshit with the nuke was fucking retarded. No one survives a fall that big, and the bomb wouldn't go off from a rock hit when it didn't from the fall. If they wanted that to be more believable with the same end results instead of making the drama scene between her and Sawyer they should have had the thing go off before they were done fighting and had Jack lose the bomb to magnetic force and fly/knock Juliet in the pit with it. Either way its still a great ending to the season. Don't you fucking love how the show sucks you in for 'just one more episode'? ![]() | ||
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Railxp
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+ Show Spoiler + - Most of this pre-assumes that Mr. X took over Locke's dead body, which I think is a very obvious conclusion and not much debate over it. - At the beginning, Jacob and Mr. X are wearing white and black cloths. Anyone else remember the white and black stones found on two dead bodies waaaay back in season 1? This supports theory of a game being played by two people, struggling to win. Is the game smokey vs jacob? - Undeniably, there are signs of Egyptian myths everywhere. - Smokey is black. - Smokey's temple is underground, and he has been known to take the form of dead people. Therefore i would propose that smokey represents death/death god. I'd make a guess that he/it would have to be Anubis. - The statue holds two Ankhs in its hand. Ankhs represent eternal life. Which ever god the statue represents, it would be a god of life. - Jacob weaves, Tapestry of Fate anyone? - Jacob lives in the statue, Richard works for him, Richard is granted a very long life. - REAL Locke was already granted life once, when he got pushed from the building. - Jacob's goal is to bring people to the island. As seen with the black rock ship, as seen with Hugo. - People Jacob talked to include the oceanic six. - He DIDNT talk to Ben and Juliet. Those two are arguably the most important characters in the finale because they were in position to make final changes. - Jacob reminds ben that he has free will. Jacob cannot influence ben like he can the others. Likewise Juliet's flashback was the only one that did not have Jacob in it. - If DeadLocke is indeed smokey in disguise, then Richard's Journey of bringing the leader to Jacob would mean that he is actually just bringing Ben. Ben remains the leader, he just doesn't know he is being manipulated. - DeadLocke's weapon of choice for Ben was a knife. An intimate and primitive weapon compared to a gun. - This is all starting to look very much like an old cliche. Where Gods play and manipulate men. But at the final confrontation, Man still has free will to decide. Ben has the final decision to kill or not to kill, Juliet also has the final decision on exploding the bomb (although she seems to have less obvious alternative choices given her predicament) - Fat guy who helped carry Locke's body was also in the van that kidnapped Miles momentarily to tell him that They are the good guys and Miles is on the wrong side. - "Breaking the Loop" might not be a good thing. If the loop is the cycle of Life, Death, Rebirth, then killing Jacob might not be a good idea. - Juliet's original duties was a fertility expert, Jacob is the God of fertility. - After Jacob's death, no more live births on the island. Yes his death happens in the most current time zone, but assuming he is present in all time zones, maybe his first death would cause all future/past loops to feel the effect? Shaky ground here. - We KNOW that people dont all die after the Incidient because the survivors must have lived to build the Hatch. Presumably Dr. Chang and rest of Oceanic six. But what of the Blast Door Map? - LOL i loved it when Miles came up and said what was on the audience's mind. Lawl jack really should have thought of that. - Razinski must be somehow connected with the Numbers? Since that was what the DHARMA folk came to do in the first place, and yet theres very little mention of the Numbers in this season, besides the screen with the Hatch Door being installed. - Conclusion might be painfully obvious to people, but i just enjoy connecting the evidence and looking into the mythology. In response to previous posts: - Who said anything about Juliet dying? - Richard is not a referee. He works for Jacob and that has been stated by himself and many other characters. If anything he facilitates the game. - Normal rules don't apply in LOST. Get over it. You should already know that the moment smokey appeared and all the other impossible things happened. Stop bitching about it. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + This is fucking crazy but every time I hear about or see them I keep thinking Lost is going to do some crazy shit at the ending and show a world where everyone has 6 sets of digits on each hand and foot, marking some huge change in the world or something. I don't fucking know. | ||
Railxp
Hong Kong1313 Posts
On May 15 2009 10:15 Chuiu wrote: About the four toes: + Show Spoiler + This is fucking crazy but every time I hear about or see them I keep thinking Lost is going to do some crazy shit at the ending and show a world where everyone has 6 sets of digits on each hand and foot, marking some huge change in the world or something. I don't fucking know. + Show Spoiler + lol dude what are u smoking XD i mean that would be fucking strange/awesome but the four toed statue is a rather obvious pointer towards Egyptian mythology. | ||
EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
just watched the finale and wow... This is exactly why I watch this show. who do you guys think the fake john locke is? It's probably the guy from the beginning who was talking to jacob on the beach but who the hell is he? Fuck that episode was so damn good.. | ||
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On May 15 2009 09:34 Railxp wrote: notes on finale: In no particular order. Although I do admit that it is though for me to keep track of who is in what time zone. Feel free to pick me apart. + Show Spoiler + - Most of this pre-assumes that Mr. X took over Locke's dead body, which I think is a very obvious conclusion and not much debate over it. - At the beginning, Jacob and Mr. X are wearing white and black cloths. Anyone else remember the white and black stones found on two dead bodies waaaay back in season 1? This supports theory of a game being played by two people, struggling to win. Is the game smokey vs jacob? - Undeniably, there are signs of Egyptian myths everywhere. - Smokey is black. - Smokey's temple is underground, and he has been known to take the form of dead people. Therefore i would propose that smokey represents death/death god. I'd make a guess that he/it would have to be Anubis. - The statue holds two Ankhs in its hand. Ankhs represent eternal life. Which ever god the statue represents, it would be a god of life. - Jacob weaves, Tapestry of Fate anyone? - Jacob lives in the statue, Richard works for him, Richard is granted a very long life. - REAL Locke was already granted life once, when he got pushed from the building. - Jacob's goal is to bring people to the island. As seen with the black rock ship, as seen with Hugo. - People Jacob talked to include the oceanic six. - He DIDNT talk to Ben and Juliet. Those two are arguably the most important characters in the finale because they were in position to make final changes. - Jacob reminds ben that he has free will. Jacob cannot influence ben like he can the others. Likewise Juliet's flashback was the only one that did not have Jacob in it. - If DeadLocke is indeed smokey in disguise, then Richard's Journey of bringing the leader to Jacob would mean that he is actually just bringing Ben. Ben remains the leader, he just doesn't know he is being manipulated. - DeadLocke's weapon of choice for Ben was a knife. An intimate and primitive weapon compared to a gun. - This is all starting to look very much like an old cliche. Where Gods play and manipulate men. But at the final confrontation, Man still has free will to decide. Ben has the final decision to kill or not to kill, Juliet also has the final decision on exploding the bomb (although she seems to have less obvious alternative choices given her predicament) - Fat guy who helped carry Locke's body was also in the van that kidnapped Miles momentarily to tell him that They are the good guys and Miles is on the wrong side. - "Breaking the Loop" might not be a good thing. If the loop is the cycle of Life, Death, Rebirth, then killing Jacob might not be a good idea. - Juliet's original duties was a fertility expert, Jacob is the God of fertility. - After Jacob's death, no more live births on the island. Yes his death happens in the most current time zone, but assuming he is present in all time zones, maybe his first death would cause all future/past loops to feel the effect? Shaky ground here. - We KNOW that people dont all die after the Incidient because the survivors must have lived to build the Hatch. Presumably Dr. Chang and rest of Oceanic six. But what of the Blast Door Map? - LOL i loved it when Miles came up and said what was on the audience's mind. Lawl jack really should have thought of that. - Razinski must be somehow connected with the Numbers? Since that was what the DHARMA folk came to do in the first place, and yet theres very little mention of the Numbers in this season, besides the screen with the Hatch Door being installed. - Conclusion might be painfully obvious to people, but i just enjoy connecting the evidence and looking into the mythology. In response to previous posts: - Who said anything about Juliet dying? - Richard is not a referee. He works for Jacob and that has been stated by himself and many other characters. If anything he facilitates the game. - Normal rules don't apply in LOST. Get over it. You should already know that the moment smokey appeared and all the other impossible things happened. Stop bitching about it. Very facinating theories. I like the ones about Jacob and Smokey and the balance between mythical storytelling and sci fi elements. Matthew Fox (Jack) has said many times that he knows the ending of the show and that it will rock our socks. If his talent for acting and drama is anything to go by then I'm pretty stoked about the last season and how everything is going to pan out. They've explained alot of unknowns and connected some threads in season 5 so I really hope they blow my mind. Something tells me the ending will be very dramatic aswell. | ||
TryThis
Canada1522 Posts
when ben dropped into the temple smokey formed into his daughter, although it possiabe that he was both john and bens daughter i doubt it. | ||
littlechava
United States7218 Posts
On May 15 2009 23:25 TryThis wrote: i dont know about smokey being mr.X when ben dropped into the temple smokey formed into his daughter, although it possiabe that he was both john and bens daughter i doubt it. It's already been established that the smoke monster can take the form of different people - think back to Eko's brother/Rousseau's crew I don't know if that means smoke monster = Mr. X = Locke, but Mr. X definitely IS Locke | ||
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CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11579 Posts
So smokey does two things, he manipulates people, coercing them into their 'destiny' by appearing as other people, and then just completely out right killing them by force. | ||
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Klogon
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On May 15 2009 14:57 talismania wrote: do people think the bomb really went off? I was under the impression that the white flash was probably just the emp-like electromagnetic event or something, but timed to look to the audience like it was the nuke. I dunno. Oh word, this is very possible. | ||
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CaucasianAsian
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I think the nuke went off, but with all of the mystery forces that are within the hatch canceled out the nuke, thus making it safe for the hatch to be finally made to what it was in previous seasons. | ||
Chuiu
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Though I doubt it, Lost has always been consistent with the sounds that happen during certain events and all the sounds that happen during the white flashes aren't there. (unless they intentionally skipped them to trick us) | ||
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On May 17 2009 02:27 zulu_nation8 wrote: so i was randomly thinking this last night, wasn't one of Ben's orders to kill Rousseau or her baby (or both? I forgot) but he ended up taking the baby and raising it as his own. Alex then died, in a way which made Ben feel guilty. Then Mr.X/Locke lead Ben to the temple and the smoke monster (which I'm pretty sure the fake Locke controls) was able to appear and convince Ben to follow Locke's orders. So was Jacob trying to prevent this by ordering Ben to kill Rousseau's baby because or else it would end in Ben stabbing him to death? And the possible loophole is that Ben has "feelings" or human sympathy or whatever which made him disobey Jacob's orders. Mr.X finds this loophole and manipulates it so that eventually Ben will kill Jacob. Thoughts? Very deep, but possible. I cant really think of any other reason for the others to want to murder innocent people. I was under the impression that it was Widmores orders because he has always seemed a bit unstable, but he could have been following the order of Jacob who knows. | ||
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On May 17 2009 02:53 Athos wrote: Does anybody know what happened to the passengers of 815 who got taken by the others in Season 1? Did they ever address that other than saying, "they're safe"? Thats a good question ... As far as I know they simply joined the others, or Richards people, but our main cast has made no mention of recognizing any of them so I have no idea actually. | ||
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Canada2653 Posts
On May 17 2009 02:33 cava wrote: Show nested quote + On May 17 2009 02:27 zulu_nation8 wrote: so i was randomly thinking this last night, wasn't one of Ben's orders to kill Rousseau or her baby (or both? I forgot) but he ended up taking the baby and raising it as his own. Alex then died, in a way which made Ben feel guilty. Then Mr.X/Locke lead Ben to the temple and the smoke monster (which I'm pretty sure the fake Locke controls) was able to appear and convince Ben to follow Locke's orders. So was Jacob trying to prevent this by ordering Ben to kill Rousseau's baby because or else it would end in Ben stabbing him to death? And the possible loophole is that Ben has "feelings" or human sympathy or whatever which made him disobey Jacob's orders. Mr.X finds this loophole and manipulates it so that eventually Ben will kill Jacob. Thoughts? Very deep, but possible. I cant really think of any other reason for the others to want to murder innocent people. I was under the impression that it was Widmores orders because he has always seemed a bit unstable, but he could have been following the order of Jacob who knows. Yeah I thought those were Widmore's orders. Also, it was Ben who took Locke/X to see smokey, not the other way around, because Ben wanted to be judged. Regardless, I think X's loophole was that he managed to kill and take over the body of someone who was the island's 'leader' ie John Locke. | ||
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On May 17 2009 03:46 GGQ wrote: Show nested quote + On May 17 2009 02:33 cava wrote: On May 17 2009 02:27 zulu_nation8 wrote: so i was randomly thinking this last night, wasn't one of Ben's orders to kill Rousseau or her baby (or both? I forgot) but he ended up taking the baby and raising it as his own. Alex then died, in a way which made Ben feel guilty. Then Mr.X/Locke lead Ben to the temple and the smoke monster (which I'm pretty sure the fake Locke controls) was able to appear and convince Ben to follow Locke's orders. So was Jacob trying to prevent this by ordering Ben to kill Rousseau's baby because or else it would end in Ben stabbing him to death? And the possible loophole is that Ben has "feelings" or human sympathy or whatever which made him disobey Jacob's orders. Mr.X finds this loophole and manipulates it so that eventually Ben will kill Jacob. Thoughts? Very deep, but possible. I cant really think of any other reason for the others to want to murder innocent people. I was under the impression that it was Widmores orders because he has always seemed a bit unstable, but he could have been following the order of Jacob who knows. Yeah I thought those were Widmore's orders. Also, it was Ben who took Locke/X to see smokey, not the other way around, because Ben wanted to be judged. Regardless, I think X's loophole was that he managed to kill and take over the body of someone who was the island's 'leader' ie John Locke. My theory is that in the original cycle ben kills Widmores daughter therefor forcing desmond to go back to the island for revenge or w/e When ben failed to do that desmond failed to execute to a series of events that led to whats happening not happening before | ||
EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
On May 17 2009 02:27 zulu_nation8 wrote: so i was randomly thinking this last night, wasn't one of Ben's orders to kill Rousseau or her baby (or both? I forgot) but he ended up taking the baby and raising it as his own. Alex then died, in a way which made Ben feel guilty. Then Mr.X/Locke lead Ben to the temple and the smoke monster (which I'm pretty sure the fake Locke controls) was able to appear and convince Ben to follow Locke's orders. So was Jacob trying to prevent this by ordering Ben to kill Rousseau's baby because or else it would end in Ben stabbing him to death? And the possible loophole is that Ben has "feelings" or human sympathy or whatever which made him disobey Jacob's orders. Mr.X finds this loophole and manipulates it so that eventually Ben will kill Jacob. Thoughts? I don't think the fake Locke controls the smoke monster. When Ben told him as they were walking to Jacob that the smoke monster turned into his daughter the fake Locke looked genuinely surprised (there's no reason for him to fake it really). I agree that Ben has something to do with the loophole. It is clear that Jacob wanted the actual John Locke for some purpose: I'll say more about this theory later. Mr. X knew this and I think somehow manipulated certain factors in Locke's life to kill him: the suicide after the conflict with his dad, paralysis from that fall, and the second attempt at suicide after he gets off the island. These all failed however, and you see direct intervention by Jacob in the first suicide as he revives Locke. Mr. X finally "succeeds" however when Ben kills Locke. Therefore, Ben creates the loophole and Mr. X somehow comes into existence in the form of John Locke's body. Now, about what Jacob's purpose for Locke is... I don't think Locke will stay dead. He's way too significant of a character to kill off (boohoo Charlie died but he wasn't that important to the story honestly. Same with Sayiid. They both contributed to the story I guess but compared to Locke? Their deaths can be used as dramatic plot points without hurting the story.) I think Jacob knew he was going to be killed by Ben and intended for John to be his replacement. There's an ongoing message throughout the series about Locke being the leader of the island's people and the people and Richard the Fake Locke leads to see Jacob really believe this, but I think this message actually meant for him to be the puppeteer of everything, the position Jacob has. On May 15 2009 14:57 talismania wrote: do people think the bomb really went off? I was under the impression that the white flash was probably just the emp-like electromagnetic event or something, but timed to look to the audience like it was the nuke. I dunno. lol shit.. That's a good point. I guess it's more of a hope from the audience. It would be very depressing if she had died for nothing =/ | ||
SoleSteeler
Canada5423 Posts
About Richard. Since he's Spanish, and the Black Rock ship that we see at the start is said to be a Spanish galleon, then Richard - as Ricardos - is likely on that ship, and that's where the two of them meet. I can't wait to see what goes on with that beginning scene, namely the whole "this is what always happens" type lines, with people coming to - probably - exploit the island. Much like Widmore, Ben, etc. have been saying over the past while. Also, as Jacob is dying, "they're coming ..." is a great line. Who, I wonder? Hmmm. Fuck I love this show! Too bad about Juliette though! Really shitty. Well, they may all be ![]() I'm still waiting to find out about Libby's past ... | ||
zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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cava
United States1035 Posts
A list of most / all of losts mysteries. The one thing that I had not connected until I read the blast door map mystery was that radzinsky (the dharma tortuerer and the guy who wanted to keep drilling in the finale) was the original inhabitant of the hatch and he started the map that Locke saw in season 2. The storyline in lost is so complex its hard to keep it straight. | ||
EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
On May 18 2009 12:31 cava wrote: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Portal:Mysterious A list of most / all of losts mysteries. The one thing that I had not connected until I read the blast door map mystery was that radzinsky (the dharma tortuerer and the guy who wanted to keep drilling in the finale) was the original inhabitant of the hatch and he started the map that Locke saw in season 2. The storyline in lost is so complex its hard to keep it straight. holy shit thanks for sharing this.. I completely forgot about that guy. | ||
Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
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Railxp
Hong Kong1313 Posts
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