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On January 04 2009 09:31 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2009 09:28 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On January 04 2009 07:51 ahrara_ wrote:On January 04 2009 07:21 Luddite wrote:On January 04 2009 05:25 AdamBanks wrote:
Ugh another one of these purges. These things do little to improve the quality of posting here rather it just turns into finger pointing, name calling and then temp bans. Its good that you are trying to improve post quality, but your method (or lack thereof) has not the effects you desire and quiet possibily detracts from the quality of disscussion on the forum. We should have a good ol fashioned witch hunt where everybody just submits names of anyone they want banned. Mob justice FTW. wanna bet the first nominee is someone whose name starts with 'r' and has seven letters Damn this one's hard, I still can't figure it out  raithed
Oh touché
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On January 04 2009 09:22 mahnini wrote:
martyr's aren't supposed to come back to life though
LMAO!!! The ban is for a week(at least until they see your new account GearitUP2 and your respose) and was made by Kennigit. Pretty much he said quit while your ahead and learn respect. Anyways, forum cleaning is always a good thing. I don't really start threads because it would probably be low quality. Xd Gogo Manifesto!
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this really means a lot to you doesn't it?
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I must say GearitUP2 is right :S
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On January 04 2009 09:20 GearitUP2 wrote:
I was banned due to your big ego and little dick, you can dish out everything in the world but as soon as a couple people (albeit these low-post-counts infidels) favor my side and dont think your correct, look what happens... people get banned for no reason what so ever.
Actually, you were banned because you were a terrible poster.
On January 04 2009 09:20 GearitUP2 wrote:
Respect is earned not given freely. See you when my ban is done xD. How long is that by the way?
Forever, now that you used a second account to dodge your ban.
On January 04 2009 09:20 GearitUP2 wrote:I wasn't given a PM as to why I was banned... I wasn't given a PM as to how long the ban is for?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696
On January 04 2009 09:20 GearitUP2 wrote:
Oh well thanks for throwing around the ban hammer and proving my point, I feel like such a Martyr
I'm glad you're enjoying your permaban too.
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I think some mod is smurfing here to make the point about bad posting. GearitUP has been a better example of what not to do than any idiot could do by themselves. My faith in humanity forces me to hope he's not serious.
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What it boils down to is shitty posters don't end up with 1000+ posts. If they have that many posts, it's for a reason. Members like incontrol or IdrA can be incendiary from time to time but they're damn valuable posters. Funny guys, good posters, and they contribute a lot. So of course they get a bit of wiggle room.
I mean, look at Manifesto's analogy. When you have very few posts don't go blazing into a topic calling a mod/admin/high post count user an asshole/dickhead/idiot, unless you want to be kicked out. You're a guest in their home, but if you're polite and contribute before long you might just be more than a guest.
"Now you said I should respect the rules given to me? I have, Havent broken one yet. I was banned due to your big ego and little dick, you can dish out everything in the world but as soon as a couple people (albeit these low-post-counts infidels) favor my side and dont think your correct, look what happens... people get banned for no reason what so ever. So really check your own arrogant attitude not mine
Respect is earned not given freely. See you when my ban is done xD. How long is that by the way? I wasn't given a PM as to why I was banned... I wasn't given a PM as to how long the ban is for? Oh well thanks for throwing around the ban hammer and proving my point, I feel like such a Martyr"
saying bullshit like this is stupid. It's obvious he knows he's an idiot and is trying to make up for it by making RaGe look bad, when he's contributed more to this site than this prick ever will. You did break the rules, you acted like a douchebag without having contributed anything.
People are just butthurt that they don't get as much attention/credit as high post count users, well obviously they don't. They shouldn't. If you want the respect stick around, and contribute. No one thinks you're cool because you can TANGO WITH THE BIG BOYS.
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On January 04 2009 09:49 Kwark wrote:
I think some mod is smurfing here to make the point about bad posting. GearitUP has been a better example of what not to do than any idiot could do by themselves. My faith in humanity forces me to hope he's not serious.
I've seen him in OP IRC @ bnet west, I don't think he is a smurf.
Edit@GearitUP: Rage didn't ban you, Rage doesn't even have the ability to ban people. He is staff not a mod.
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The problem is that we have too much quantity, not enough quality.
Ever since the IRC channel launched, there's been a steady trickle of people who post 1-liners constantly. Like they think the forum threads are an IRC channel, and that any inane comment that pops into their head should be immortalized in a zero-effort forum post.
And often times these IRC-style posters will break the conversation by having 1-on-1 chat in the midst of topic: "passive derailments" are out of control.
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On January 04 2009 09:20 GearitUP2 wrote:
Now you said I should respect the rules given to me? I have, Havent broken one yet. I was banned due to your big ego and little dick, you can dish out everything in the world but as soon as a couple people (albeit these low-post-counts infidels) favor my side and dont think your correct, look what happens... people get banned for no reason what so ever. So really check your own arrogant attitude not mine
Respect is earned not given freely. See you when my ban is done xD. How long is that by the way? I wasn't given a PM as to why I was banned... I wasn't given a PM as to how long the ban is for? Oh well thanks for throwing around the ban hammer and proving my point, I feel like such a Martyr
"haven't broken one yet"??
quote from the 6ht of the TL 10 commandment
+ Show Spoiler +6. THOU SHALL RESPECT FORUM VETERANS
All other things being equal, we will give preferential treatment to site members who have been with us longer (as reflected in their post count + length of time with us as a registered member). It's a simple recognition of the quality of these people. Longevity and contribution are prized commodities around here. In a similiar vein, "known" pro/semi-pro players will also be treated with deference (yes, quite a few hang out here). Don't complain - these guys have earned it.
Remember: we ban little girly-kids all the time because they sign on thinking they can say and do whatever they want to whomever they want right from the get-go - just like they're used to doing at other sites. That attitude won't work here. That's a promise. As far as new users are concerned (i.e. anyone with less than 500 or so quality posts to their name), this site is Holy Ground. The veterans are the users who've consistently shown respect to the site and to others and that's why they're still here. Show them some respect.
In practice, this policy means a user who has 1000+ posts may be able to get away with a few minor transgressions in etiquette with just a warning. If you're at 50 posts and you try the same kind of stunt, then we may just ban you. Harsh? Yes. Unfair? Most definitely. But that's the way life is. Learn to live with it.
This also means you should think twice before calling that guy with 5000+ posts a jackass. If the guy's been with us that long, chances are YOU'RE the one being an idiot. Some battles are just not worth fighting - just move on.
like you said respect is earned, you earned your respect by calling people "big ego and little dick"? fucking hypocrite.
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I don't know how someone can lurk for years and still not have the slightest clue how TL works.
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@gearitup, no one is making you stay. TL is a private website, they can run it however they feel like.
No one wants to listen to you QQ. TL has created the best starcraft forum community by quickly weeding out the idiots for the greater good of the community.
People respect older members because if you have been with the site for 5+ years without incident chances are your posts are worhtwhile. Obviously it doesn't always work this way, but like I said you kinda gotta deal with it or leave.
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On January 04 2009 10:13 HeadBangaa wrote:
The problem is that we have too much quantity, not enough quality.
Ever since the IRC channel launched, there's been a steady trickle of people who post 1-liners constantly. Like they think the forum threads are an IRC channel, and that any inane comment that pops into their head should be immortalized in a zero-effort forum post.
And often times these IRC-style posters will break the conversation by having 1-on-1 chat in the midst of topic: "passive derailments" are out of control.
Great point...good thing im never in the IRC.
On January 04 2009 10:29 SonuvBob wrote:
I don't know how someone can lurk for years and still not have the slightest clue how TL works.
I lurked for a year...This post might lead to something...
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People with many posts have done a lot more for this site than I ever will be able to. Sometimes you just gotta do what you can and see what happens. Earn respect don't expect it.
TL is a rare breed of forum. Please keep the quality up. I will do what I can to improve my posting and attempt to contribute in some way =)
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I don't even know how to get on the IRC. Is that where all the people go during LR threads? I've been missing out. =\
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On January 04 2009 11:08 Avidkeystamper wrote:
I don't even know how to get on the IRC. Is that where all the people go during LR threads? I've been missing out. =\
you aren't really missing out on too much, except for on rare occasions. it's a good place to be for semis/finals and TL-related streams though.
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On January 04 2009 06:00 RaGe wrote:
The small advantages that we give to veteran users are advantages they earned. And while sometimes it may be a bit unfair, I often get the feeling that a lot of previously permbanned users and warned/tempbanned users use it as an excuse. "If I had more posts I wouldn't have been banned for that." or "There are forum regulars that post worse than me." are the worst excuses I personally can imagine for bad posting behaviour.
"Other people post worse than me" may be a lousy excuse, but I'd be willing to bet it's a common motivator. Most vets are mannered and polite, but there are those who aren't, and they do set a bad example. I feel like there's a kind of catch-22 going on here: there are people who have contributed a lot in the past, and continue to contribute, and for this reason they can get away with a lot while still being respected withinin the community. But it's easy to see this from the outside and think that they're respected because they flame or trash talk. And then you get people thinking that the way to be a respected member is by starting arguments and causing drama, and then when they get banned they feel like there's a double standard.
I doubt anyone is actually thinking "oh shit I need to be more of a forum badass and flame lots of people," but I think the power of bad examples, combined with the respect that everyone has for long-standing members, does have an effect on the way people post.
Note that I'm not attributing the majority of lousy posts to ill-mannered forum vets (and they are a rare breed) --- I suspect most bad posts are just the result of not thinking.
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On January 04 2009 10:29 SonuvBob wrote:
I don't know how someone can lurk for years and still not have the slightest clue how TL works.
A huge set of blinders, and heavy duty sunglasses.
As for how the forum is run?
I guess i classify as a "veteran" member now as I've been here since 2004, and somehow have over 1500 posts. I to my knowledge have never been warned, nor have I been banned. Have I posted some questionable things in the past, most definitely. The thing with TL is it is a community that started with a very small, close knit group for that group. It grew from there, becoming the huge community site for starcraft that it is today. Through its creation, the veteran members have me eachother(as well as some of the lurkers and newer members), given an outlet for people to express ideas and speak their mind, and provided people with the ability to play a game they love with countless people of skill.
But to maintain the quality of the site, moderators have to find the balance, be it warning people, closing threads, or bans. By keeping the forum a clean place, it maintains the credibility of the site, the community, and most importantly the principles on which the site was created.
Before people think to bash on mods, or forum vets, remember that they are the lifeblood that has kept the community going for all this time. Remember, without us, TL would not be the place it is today, or it possibly might not have continued to exist.
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On January 04 2009 07:49 GinNtoniC wrote:In the spirit of preserving (restoring?) the quality of TL.net I'd like to dedicate my 1000th post to HonestTea, the author of many a good thread (such as http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=61851) and to this date my my one big idol on these forums - although i rarely ever see him anymore.
HonestTea's busy texting Chauncey Billups to come back to the Pistons. You can catch some nuggets of his wisdom in the NBA thread ^^
I do agree that the post quality does bother me sometimes, but the mods do a fairly good job of regulating it. To the low post count people, just do a little research before you hit post and you'll be fine. I'm pretty new and I haven't had a problem as long as I think before I post. I find most problems are either due to misinformation / ignorance or flamers / trolls, which can be remedied with a bit of caution and research.
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