EPTOn December 24 2008 14:41 SIUnit wrote:
不打不成才 yo
不打不成才 yo
LMAO....this guy completely owned this thread. Good thing I got smacked a few times by my dad, I wouldn't want to be any less grown up lol.
Beating Kids? - Page 10
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
LMAO....this guy completely owned this thread. Good thing I got smacked a few times by my dad, I wouldn't want to be any less grown up lol. | ||
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InRaged
1047 Posts
On December 25 2008 04:58 ManBearPig wrote: People are still saying hitting your children is ok? Again: studies have shown that hitting your children is not only not good, it is possible that your child will grow up to be more violent than average people as a result of your disciplining him/her. And when you don't beat the child it's impossible for him to grow up more violent than average people... What kind of beating they were studying? How they ensured hitting was the cause of violence? That's stupid. | ||
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On December 25 2008 04:35 Ancestral wrote: I think some of you are confused about terms, and it's best to use the right nomenclature if you plan on discussing something Reinforcement: Action taken as a result of good behavior Punishment: Action taken as a result of bad behavior Positive: Adding something Negative: Taking something away Positive and negative reinforcement are both GOOD in the eyes of the child, since either something good is being added (given) or something bad is taken away. Punishment is always bad, and something bad is given or something good is taken away. thanks for this. i was not aware of the distinctions. edit - now that i think about it, if you know the specifics of operant conditioning, then perhaps you have an opinion on the matter? care to share it? | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
You have to be a weak parent to hit your child; there are always other ways of dealing with situations. And as said many times it doesn't even work. If you still think it's alright to beat children; imagine if you're child misbehaved at school so the teacher smacked him in the face. Would that be alright? He was merely "negatively reinforcing" a bad behavior. Of course it wouldn't, the teacher would be a coward and a terrible professional. In no other area of society is it alright to hit other people, children should be no different. | ||
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
On December 25 2008 04:35 Ancestral wrote: Positive and negative reinforcement are both GOOD in the eyes of the child, since either something good is being added (given) or something bad is taken away. Behaviorism has been dead for about 35 years. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On December 25 2008 05:36 Klive5ive wrote: Of course you can raise a child without hitting them. This should be completely obvious. You have to be a weak parent to hit your child; there are always other ways of dealing with situations. And as said many times it doesn't even work. If you still think it's alright to beat children; imagine if you're child misbehaved at school so the teacher smacked him in the face. Would that be alright? He was merely "negatively reinforcing" a bad behavior. Of course it wouldn't, the teacher would be a coward and a terrible professional. In no other area of society is it alright to hit other people, children should be no different. Sports-> boxing, football, basketball etc. Law enforcement-> police baton, self defense etc.. Discipline through some form of physical punishment is fine. Obviously anything in excess will be bad but a spanking from time to time is no big deal. Uppity pansies that think it is the end of the world when a 9 year old gets spanked for stealing from the neighbors are what blow me away. People that use objects like belts, spoons etc kinda disturb me. I am also fairly against slapping or "beating" in so far as a closed fist etc. Spanking is fine imo. | ||
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MarklarMarklar
Fiji1823 Posts
i guess it depends on the childs genetics as well and other things, but still. There are better alternatives to raising a child than fucking spanking. friggin american retards, thats right i said it, even tho obama has been elected and my dislike for yanks has gone down, when it comes to this FUCK YANKS. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On December 25 2008 05:53 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Sports-> boxing, football, basketball etc. Law enforcement-> police baton, self defense etc.. Discipline through some form of physical punishment is fine. Obviously anything in excess will be bad but a spanking from time to time is no big deal. Uppity pansies that think it is the end of the world when a 9 year old gets spanked for stealing from the neighbors are what blow me away. People that use objects like belts, spoons etc kinda disturb me. I am also fairly against slapping or "beating" in so far as a closed fist etc. Spanking is fine imo. I don't think it's that's bad to spank a child.. I don't believe it works as intended but it's not a big deal. Your examples are wrong though.... You can't "sport" someone without their permission. It's not alright to body check someone on the street and claim you were practicing for the football team. Both parties agree to the engagement. And as for law enforcement they certainly aren't allowed to hit people, only in self defence. Restraining is not the same as hitting either. | ||
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
On December 25 2008 06:00 MarklarMarklar wrote: friggin american retards, thats right i said it, even tho obama has been elected and my dislike for yanks has gone down, when it comes to this FUCK YANKS. Fiji has a nice government. But hey I guess I can't blame you because they won't allow elections. | ||
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MarklarMarklar
Fiji1823 Posts
went 2 fiji once tho | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
People are ignorant if they think emotional "abuse" is anything different. You scold a child, tell them they were wrong/did things poorly they are being subjected to the same level of abuse only in a different form. In fact it can be more/less traumatizing.. based on that childs tendencies. If you are parenting the child to assume pain is somehow connected to anything other than "I did something wrong" then you are doing it wrong. It should be clear why they are being punished so the lesson can be learned. That goes for any parenting though.. you raise a child to be verbally abusive due to an unclear understanding of why they are being lectured and you run into higher chances of that kid being a snot. | ||
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
On December 25 2008 06:08 {88}iNcontroL wrote: I don't care what studies have shown. That is a garbage dump of logic that people quote to make themselves feel established. I was raised by parents who spanked and I turned out absolutely fine. I'm quite sure this is come conspiracy to troll me. I won't fall for it. Just read back. Now stop being funny. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On December 25 2008 06:02 Klive5ive wrote: I don't think it's that's bad to spank a child.. I don't believe it works as intended but it's not a big deal. Your examples are wrong though.... You can't "sport" someone without their permission. It's not alright to body check someone on the street and claim you were practicing for the football team. Both parties agree to the engagement. And as for law enforcement they certainly aren't allowed to hit people, only in self defence. Restraining is not the same as hitting either. Uh you said it isn't ok in any area of society to hit someone. I clearly indicated it in fact is. Consent is an entirely seperate issue. It isn't even relevant to this thread. Do you think parents sit the child down and ask if it is ok to spank them? No. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On December 25 2008 06:09 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Uh you said it isn't ok in any area of society to hit someone. I clearly indicated it in fact is. Consent is an entirely seperate issue. It isn't even relevant to this thread. Do you think parents sit the child down and ask if it is ok to spank them? No. I'm going to assume you're drunk, it is Christmas Eve after all. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32161 Posts
On December 25 2008 06:00 MarklarMarklar wrote: but incontrol, studies have shown that spanking aint really good for the child, just like other forms of violence. to make a person feel pain to show that something is wrong to do = connects certain things in that childs head that shouldnt be connected which means likelyhood of violence in adolescence etc etc i guess it depends on the childs genetics as well and other things, but still. There are better alternatives to raising a child than fucking spanking. friggin american retards, thats right i said it, even tho obama has been elected and my dislike for yanks has gone down, when it comes to this FUCK YANKS. So was it too much abuse, or a lack of spanking that led you to become a attention seeking, cross dresser on the internetz? | ||
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MarklarMarklar
Fiji1823 Posts
generalize more you fuckhead, throw all studies in one fucking pile the size of your Ass. p.s. our bodies use pain to tell us something is wrong yeah, but if our mind knows its being done by a human being on purpose it shows that the childs psychology can change towards the concept of violence and so on. Not every child, but enough of em. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On December 25 2008 06:11 {88}iNcontroL wrote: you guys are fucking shitty posters. stop trolling and engage the fucking argument or just leave the thread You're accusing me of trolling when you start a post with "I don't care what studies have shown" followed by lines of your own psychological analysis. I feel you're defending your own parents, which is fair enough. I got hit occasionally and it wasn't a big deal but there are other methods of negative and positive reinforcement that don't involve violence or confuse a child more. | ||
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