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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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Uraeus
France1378 Posts
Lightly slapping his hand because he is about to put something harmful in his mouth? I would say right, provided you EXPLAIN why you did that.Try "No darling! You should really not eat that because ..." and you will be calling an ambulance before your speech is over because your kid is choking on that colorful shining marble he just found. Violence solves nothing. And if you have to use violence on your kids, I guess you failed as a parent at some point. Be it physical or moral violence (which is not less harmful). But I don't think some light "physical punishments" can be considered violent. Last time my mother slapped me was like 12 years ago (I was 16 or so) because as every teenager rebelling against parental authority, I occasionnally was an arrogant self centered prick. I hurt her feelings (unintentionally), so she slapped me and told me how wrong what I said was. I hurt her. She hurt me. Fine. You call it violence? I don't, though it is borderline. Anyone thinks I would even remember it had she NOT slapped me and just babbled about it? I certainly don't think so. I bet I hurt her (morally) more than she hurt me (physically). I don't think I even got slapped 10 times during my life, but with hindsight, I would say most of these were well deserved. And useful, as I was always offered an explanation for the slappings. Some people here are quoting studies and stuff. Okay, I couldn't disagree with them. But every case is specific, and saying "No! I will never slap my kid" on an Internet forum while you are slouching in your chair is easy. Try NOT doing it when a car brushes past your 5-year-old who started crossing the street while you were readjusting the blanket on your newborn in his pram. | ||
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sith
United States2474 Posts
"GOD DAMMIT. DIDN'T I TELL YOU TO GET THE HELL OFF OF THERE" booming through the kids mic. He just says kind of meekly "uhhh guys i really gotta go". He disconnects with lightning speed and the last thing i hear on vent is "JESUS FUCKING CHRIST". Ahahah we would have been pissed if it hadn't been so funny and scary at the same time. If anyone got the belt, that kid did. | ||
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KurtistheTurtle
United States1966 Posts
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jjun212
Canada2208 Posts
On December 24 2008 20:27 BlackStar wrote: Statistics are clear. People who received corporal punishment are more violent. Not all of them are more violent than people that were not spanked. And violent people can be nice and hard-working, etc etc. Really, you must be very stupid to even try to make this argument. Do you think I am stupid? I am more than "hard-working", along with my friends actually. I just said that I along with friends who are not of the "white" Canadian skin colour were physically disciplined when we were younger and that we have been living life the way "normal" people have been. We've had ups and downs and still striving to become something better. (Going to school, working, volunteer work, studying, finding jobs, w/e) I don't think any of us have any hidden violence within us wtf? We're all just part-time working students, involved in our community, university accepted students and actually I am in my 3rd year and yea so I am stupid. Fuck you, you stupid fucking cunt. The words you quoted me on, I wasn't even making an argument anyway douchebag. All I was trying to say was you don't see me taking crack, going to rehab and all that shit like little rich kids who never got hit probably. Not every case is the same, obviousfuckingly. You don't think I've heard in classes and on the news of those "quiet" type killers? Who were normal all their lives and suddenly snapped due to some childhood shit, w/e. I can't provide evidence for that, I'm not ISAP specialist. But what I do know is that I fucking told you, that my friends and I who were hit for making mistakes like stealing or arguing back as kids, are living the same, hanging out the same and everything as some of our "White" Canadian friends who said they were never hit I think you're probably very stupid to even respond in such a way, fuck you. Don't even know me, quote me on the wrong words and try to accuse people of being stupid out of nowhere? Who the fuck are you? | ||
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Epicfailguy
Norway893 Posts
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jjun212
Canada2208 Posts
On December 25 2008 02:40 Epicfailguy wrote: Yeah, you sound extremely friendly to me. Well I don't take nicely to random people on the internet who say such dumb things. I usually ignore that kinda stuff like when people talk shit on SC and I know what I wrote was going against what I was trying to say but honestly, calling me stupid for nothing? That is just rubbish. Not everyone on TL-net is a random retard and is some lazy idiot. Some people actually take offense to being called stupid and you're trying to make me sound bad for responding to an insult? Alright, w/e. That's what sucks about insults, sometimes you just want to respond and it makes you look worse in the end. Whatever I can't help in, that guy is a fag still, fuck him. I still don't take back what I said. | ||
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Proposal
United States1310 Posts
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
Ghandi being the most non-violent person ever, if he would be, and being hit says absolutely nothing. I didn't even read what kind of excuse you have because there can be none. This has nothing to do with YOU. Try to understand that. No matter what shit society put you through and no matter against which odds you were succesful, you are still wrong and stupid for being so obviously wrong. And all that doesn't take anything away about you which is worthwhile or whatever. Also, what has lazy to do with being stupidly wrong? | ||
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Epicfailguy
Norway893 Posts
On December 25 2008 02:44 jjun212 wrote: Well I don't take nicely to random people on the internet who say such dumb things. I usually ignore that kinda stuff like when people talk shit on SC and I know what I wrote was going against what I was trying to say but honestly, calling me stupid for nothing? That is just rubbish. Not everyone on TL-net is a random retard and is some lazy idiot. Some people actually take offense to being called stupid and you're trying to make me sound bad for responding to an insult? Alright, w/e. That's what sucks about insults, sometimes you just want to respond and it makes you look worse in the end. Whatever I can't help in, that guy is a fag still, fuck him. I still don't take back what I said. Heh, I react the same way myself, no worries =) You speak from your heart at least, I always try to be "the bigger man" or whatever, and sugarcoat my replies...but its basically the same. | ||
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jjun212
Canada2208 Posts
On December 25 2008 02:54 BlackStar wrote: Claiming your own individual irrelevant experiences 'proof' wrong carefully caried out studies using scientific method is clearly stupid. Ghandi being the most non-violent person ever, if he would be, and being hit says absolutely nothing. I didn't even read what kind of excuse you have because there can be none. This has nothing to do with YOU. Try to understand that. No matter what shit society put you through and no matter against which odds you were succesful, you are still wrong and stupid for being so obviously wrong. And all that doesn't take anything away about you which is worthwhile or whatever. If you didn't read my "excuse" then you are clearly ignorant. I'm guessing.... GUESSING, that you took what I wrote and took it the wrong way. So just for that sake, I'm just gonna rephrase or try to say again what I wanted to say originally in a quick summary: As a child, I was hit for doing stupid things. I feel normal though and am following that classic path to adulthood still. As for actual hitting kids. I do not have scientific proof to support the benefits or consequences of this issue but morally, I feel that there is some buffer room in between acceptable physical discipline and abuse. Once that line is reached, I feel that the parent or guardian has lost all competency. But of course, that is a personal opinion and if you want to argue it, go ahead, but insulting my intelligence is just being a jerk. *Also, I never tried to write an essay using my personal life as evidence to condone abusing children. What I did was use my personal experience to sum up a personal response. I never took any clear side on "beating" children or even tried to defend either side with my so called "personal evidence' as you put it, so fuck you still, learn to comprehend better. Idiot. I already feel like I'm getting banned for acting irrationally so I'm just gonna leave this thread and hope that mods are nice today, if not, before I am banned if I am to be banned, I just want to say again, BlackStar, you're a fucking douchebag. It's people like you who start shit intentionally or unintentionally. All you had to do was make a counter argument instead of insulting another person's intelligence. Because you obviously took what I wrote the wrong way. So fuck you, fucking cuntbag. | ||
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
And now suddenly you claim I didn't comprehend you right? If that's true you would have said that initially. Whatever. | ||
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xJacky
China375 Posts
On December 24 2008 14:41 SIUnit wrote: 不打不成才 yo FUCKIN WIN! Chinese parents ftw, although it gets annoying sometimes | ||
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Uraeus
France1378 Posts
On December 25 2008 03:08 BlackStar wrote: because I am the one being right on the very critical subject . Guy, you could have some humility beaten into you. No, joking. Kind of. Seriously, quoting a real scientific study and agreeing with it doesn't make you RIGHT. I am not saying the study is wrong or anything. All it says is that statistically, children who suffer from violence ARE MORE LIKELY to become violent personns (I oversimplied it, I know). From that point, you conclude that every single minor slapping in the world is morally wrong and you are a fucking douchebag if you believe otherwise. This is pushing imo. And insulting a guy's intelligence because he quotes his own experience that happens to belong to the minority (according to said study) is at least narrow minded. | ||
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JudgeMathis
Cuba1286 Posts
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On December 25 2008 03:03 jjun212 wrote: If you didn't read my "excuse" then you are clearly ignorant. I'm guessing.... GUESSING, that you took what I wrote and took it the wrong way. So just for that sake, I'm just gonna rephrase or try to say again what I wanted to say originally in a quick summary: As a child, I was hit for doing stupid things. I feel normal though and am following that classic path to adulthood still. As for actual hitting kids. I do not have scientific proof to support the benefits or consequences of this issue but morally, I feel that there is some buffer room in between acceptable physical discipline and abuse. Once that line is reached, I feel that the parent or guardian has lost all competency. But of course, that is a personal opinion and if you want to argue it, go ahead, but insulting my intelligence is just being a jerk. *Also, I never tried to write an essay using my personal life as evidence to condone abusing children. What I did was use my personal experience to sum up a personal response. I never took any clear side on "beating" children or even tried to defend either side with my so called "personal evidence' as you put it, so fuck you still, learn to comprehend better. Idiot. I already feel like I'm getting banned for acting irrationally so I'm just gonna leave this thread and hope that mods are nice today, if not, before I am banned if I am to be banned, I just want to say again, BlackStar, you're a fucking douchebag. It's people like you who start shit intentionally or unintentionally. All you had to do was make a counter argument instead of insulting another person's intelligence. Because you obviously took what I wrote the wrong way. So fuck you, fucking cuntbag. perhaps if you weren't beaten as a child you'd be better to handle your temper with others' misbehavior. if your responses aren't a clear indication that abuse of children doesn't perpetuate abuse (in your case verbal), then nothing is. | ||
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MarklarMarklar
Fiji1823 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32161 Posts
On December 25 2008 02:35 jjun212 wrote: All I was trying to say was you don't see me taking crack, going to rehab and all that shit like little rich kids who never got hit probably. No, but getting popped in the noggin too many times seems to have damaged your ability to handle basic math http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=84659 | ||
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
Reinforcement: Action taken as a result of good behavior Punishment: Action taken as a result of bad behavior Positive: Adding something Negative: Taking something away Positive and negative reinforcement are both GOOD in the eyes of the child, since either something good is being added (given) or something bad is taken away. Punishment is always bad, and something bad is given or something good is taken away. | ||
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ManBearPig
Belgium207 Posts
Again: studies have shown that hitting your children is not only not good, it is possible that your child will grow up to be more violent than average people as a result of your disciplining him/her. If you think hitting/slapping your child can be beneficial, you are ignorant (this is ok). If you have read scientific studies on the subject and still think slapping your child can be beneficial, you are stupid (this is not so good). Also, the 'I turned out ok' argument is not valid. Also, this is one of the most retarded blogs ever lol On December 25 2008 04:24 Hawk wrote: No, but getting popped in the noggin too many times seems to have damaged your ability to handle basic math http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=84659 | ||
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