EPTBeating Kids? - Page 7
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
Hell, there isn't even a theory that ever existed in the whole field of psychology that supports your view. It's not just that inflicting pain is a bad form of punishment because it teaching violence. The whole idea of teaching through reward and punishment is wrong. | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
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Alizee-
United States845 Posts
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
On December 24 2008 19:05 BlackStar wrote: IzzyCraft both science and statistical studies show you are wrong. Hell, all the principles of behavioral science reject the whole idea. Hell, there isn't even a theory that ever existed in the whole field of psychology that supports your view. Simple logic =p if you are beat enough that you are afraid of getting beat. Then fear is your primary thought meaning once you go past that stage then every time you are lecture etc on something wrong you don't care because all your thinking is I'm not getting hit. Simply put if you have a man with a shotgun in your face one day and shot you in the legs and sometime down the road you see that man what do you think omfg he gonna shoot me. You don't give a crap to what he's really doing etc. The title of the tread is BEATING kids not spanking. Really the only flaw to beating kids is that you have to continually beat them and they relay off of authority figures to show discipline them. | ||
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
Rewarding your children when they behave properly does nothing for their moral and personal development. They don't learn anything through that process. It's bad parenting. You may get them to do what you want them to do. But surely 'extortion' doesn't help a person develop into the mold you are trying to 'extort' them into. Punishing them is on another level. And punishing them with pain is off the scale. | ||
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
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Nazarene
Denmark996 Posts
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
On December 24 2008 18:52 ktp wrote: Conclusion: Don't have kids. That's not a real solution....its essentially not answering the question because if people followed your advice the question wouldn't exist. Beating kids makes a lot of sense. You can't reason with a child (non-violent discipline) because their mind is not developed yet. To become a functional adult, a lot of things have to happen in a specific way. At contraception, a sperm fertilizes an egg. From there, given a proper growth environment, it develops into an embryo then fetus based on a specific program encoded in the DNA itself. At some point, the brain is ready to be developed (probably mostly after birth). The brain is hard-wired to nerves and sensory organs, and begins to develop, still working largely off of the original DNA's program. Now is the time where interaction with other humans comes into play. Languages and basic communication is learned. Now you want to teach the child right and wrong. You are trying to teach advanced concepts of responsibility, etc. You can't really use words to teach these concepts because you are trying to teach new concepts in terms of old concepts. Its like trying to heat something to a higher temperature with a large mass of things at lower temperature (not possible). You have to bootstrap a set of basic concepts (a foundation) from which to build upon, the bootstrapping part being using a direct connection to the brain (nerve endings). Since everything is relative, at some point, logically, there can't be a "because". You must start by stating an assumption (axiom), and build all your logic off of that. The spanking gives a clear beginning point for reason because there is no "because" behind it. ![[image loading]](http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/9215/avatar94802fu2.gif){kind=avatar} | ||
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
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OGzan
United States289 Posts
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NrG.ZaM
United States267 Posts
Then again, it could all be bullshit, it was high school, after all. | ||
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
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Uraeus
France1378 Posts
Imo, beating kids is wrong in every way, and using violence too often is counter productive. The worst, I think, is parents who act like idiots and punish their kids for doing things they would themselves do, and justify themselves with things like "It's OK for ME, I am a grown up". I think this is the best way to raise your kid a bully and a violent father later. Just my 2 cents though. | ||
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jjun212
Canada2208 Posts
On December 24 2008 19:19 Alizee- wrote: I stick a molten iron rod up my kid's ass, is that ok? What do you think? I donno.. it's too debatable. Almost all of my Asian/Indian/Arab friends were physically disciplined as kids and we've grown up to be cool people I think... I mean like, do well in school, love our families, hang out with each other, etc... We didn't turn out to be mentally challenged, or "Angry at the world" kinda people because we were hit when we were younger. But at the same time, there have been cases of kids being abused constantly and becoming all fucked up. I guess physical discipline is alright but there is a line that once crossed can fuck over the kid's life. You just gotta be aware of that risk, I suppose. | ||
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Epicfailguy
Norway893 Posts
My parents always explained to me why I couldnt do this and that, and it worked. I think its a misstake to punish someone if they didnt know what they did wrong, so they wont do it again out of fear, rather than understanding why they shouldnt do it again. | ||
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
On December 24 2008 20:17 jjun212 wrote: were physically disciplined as kids and we've grown up to be cool people I think... I mean like, do well in school, love our families, hang out with each other, etc... We didn't turn out to be mentally challenged, or "Angry at the world" kinda people because we were hit when we were younger. Statistics are clear. People who received corporal punishment are more violent. Not all of them are more violent than people that were not spanked. And violent people can be nice and hard-working, etc etc. Really, you must be very stupid to even try to make this argument. | ||
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lakrismamma
Sweden543 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28552 Posts
the most common arguement "for" spanking children is: "well I was spanked and I turned out just fine" anyone who uses this arguement however, did not turn out fine : for fucks sake, they are advocating hitting their own children. there never exists a moment through a childs upbringing where hitting your child is necessary and where it is not possible to deal with the issues through talking (at least not unless the parent has fucked up prior to this, in which case the child might not respect him or her ) I could go on for pages about this but I don't have time.  | ||
Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
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