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On November 24 2025 13:23 spets1 wrote:
The problem is that you guys have been brainwashed into believing that Ukraine can somehow win or even sustain this war. Russia is winning the war and this is why the conditions of the peace on the table are basically the same as surrender. So it's either accept these conditions now or get completely defeated and lose even more. It's not because trump is bad, trump and the deep state that controls him have realised that they lost the war. So they're scrambling
The conditions for this "peace deal" are the same as surrender because they were created by the Russians and passed on to Russian sympathizers in the US government to present as their own.
And is Russia really winning? Their army sure does look mighty:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DRaFuwajDT7/
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On November 24 2025 13:55 Doublemint wrote:
this deep state you are talking about, is there something like it in Russia too or is this a western thing? or government corruption on every level...
or being brainwashed?
if calling the last - almost - 4 years of "special operation" winning... I genuinely wonder what it means to lose Tavarish?
also, the last word has not been spoken on any sort of peace deal. don't make Trump's mistake of declaring victory prematurely. based on lies, wishful thinking and delusions of grandeur.
come to think of it, that's something Russia did way before Trump.
The deep state is only in US and the West. In Russia you don't need a deep state because Putin is basically a dictator. All is pretty much in the open.
The war that the Russians and Ukrainian are fighting tactically is called war of attrition, which is different. So you can't really tell who's winning by looking at territorial gain. You gotta dig a bit deeper. And that's why propaganda tailored to the west is so easily able to push the narrative as if Ukraine is winning, or is about to win, or even doing well.
Yes there's no last word yet. But you can already see that the US has basically given up and want to cut their losses. You can see it from the way they are actually discussing this 28 point peace plan. Maybe they even smartened up and realised that they need to save their resources for countering china cos the biggest winner from this war is China and they are the one US has to worry about.
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On November 24 2025 14:25 spets1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2025 13:55 Doublemint wrote:
this deep state you are talking about, is there something like it in Russia too or is this a western thing? or government corruption on every level...
or being brainwashed?
if calling the last - almost - 4 years of "special operation" winning... I genuinely wonder what it means to lose Tavarish?
also, the last word has not been spoken on any sort of peace deal. don't make Trump's mistake of declaring victory prematurely. based on lies, wishful thinking and delusions of grandeur.
come to think of it, that's something Russia did way before Trump. The deep state is only in US and the West. In Russia you don't need a deep state because Putin is basically a dictator. All is pretty much in the open. The war that the Russians and Ukrainian are fighting tactically is called war of attrition, which is different. So you can't really tell who's winning by looking at territorial gain. You gotta dig a bit deeper. And that's why propaganda tailored to the west is so easily able to push the narrative as if Ukraine is winning, or is about to win, or even doing well. Yes there's no last word yet. But you can already see that the US has basically given up and want to cut their losses. You can see it from the way they are actually discussing this 28 point peace plan. Maybe they even smartened up and realised that they need to save their resources for countering china cos the biggest winner from this war is China and they are the one US has to worry about.
You are aware of course that this year the US investment in Ukraine was 0? Trump stopped it all when he took office. So, the US has no "losses to cut" because they're not investing anything in this war any more and haven't been for a while. That's also why a peace deal proposed by the US is quite hilarious because they lost the right to say stuff about it when they pulled out.
And speaking about the war of attrition, Russia is in a worse position here since Ukraine is being backed by the entirety of EU, which is vastly richer than Russia and they can keep it up pretty much indefinitely (which Russia can't do). The longer this war goes, the worse it gets for Russia, to win all that Ukraine has to do is hold out. I don't really see a world where Russia wins this war without taking all of Ukraine and at the current rate our grandchildren will be continuing this discussion.
I don't know where those delusions of Great Power Russia come from any more. This illusion has been shattered. They might've been powerful before this war due to sheer size of their military (of which most they've now lost) but by the economy alone Russia is actually a rather poor and poorly managed country. The funny thing is, that with their resources and land area if they got their shit together they'd probably be richer than the US, but they decided to go the route they've been going so they're not much better than a third-world country.
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trump and the deep state that controls him
Wait. I thought Trump was fighting against the curiously absent and powerless Deep State. Might want to get your conspiracy theories sorted.
The only thing that brain-washed me into thinking Ukraine could hold off is that they have continued to do so. When Russia rolled over the border and moved to seized Kiev, I assumed Ukraine would swiftly collapse as I still thought of Russia as a great power and generally believe wars are won with the firstest with the mostest. But here we are some 1360 days later...
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But if Ukraine is doing so well, if Europe is so much stronger than Russia, why is the proposal for peace is basically a surrender? Why is it even being entertained by the Ukraine and the EU? They were flaunting early on that their goals is to destabilize Russia so much it falls and breaks into smaller parts. That Ukraine will retake all territory and maybe even get into russia and take some. And now they are on board with such horrible proposal? What changed?
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On November 24 2025 13:23 spets1 wrote:
The problem is that you guys have been brainwashed into believing that Ukraine can somehow win or even sustain this war. Russia is winning the war and this is why the conditions of the peace on the table are basically the same as surrender.
The conditions are not even close to surrender.
Even under this deal Ukraine will continue to align westwards, which makes further wars inevitable.
When you look at the terms only giving up Donbass would be really hard to stomach, the rest is down to Zelensky resisting the end of his political career.
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On November 24 2025 14:25 spets1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2025 13:55 Doublemint wrote:
this deep state you are talking about, is there something like it in Russia too or is this a western thing? or government corruption on every level...
or being brainwashed?
if calling the last - almost - 4 years of "special operation" winning... I genuinely wonder what it means to lose Tavarish?
also, the last word has not been spoken on any sort of peace deal. don't make Trump's mistake of declaring victory prematurely. based on lies, wishful thinking and delusions of grandeur.
come to think of it, that's something Russia did way before Trump. The deep state is only in US and the West. In Russia you don't need a deep state because Putin is basically a dictator. All is pretty much in the open.The war that the Russians and Ukrainian are fighting tactically is called war of attrition, which is different. So you can't really tell who's winning by looking at territorial gain. You gotta dig a bit deeper. And that's why propaganda tailored to the west is so easily able to push the narrative as if Ukraine is winning, or is about to win, or even doing well. Yes there's no last word yet. But you can already see that the US has basically given up and want to cut their losses. You can see it from the way they are actually discussing this 28 point peace plan. Maybe they even smartened up and realised that they need to save their resources for countering china cos the biggest winner from this war is China and they are the one US has to worry about.
interesting way to interpret things 
I don't think anyone paying attention is saying Ukraine is doing well. conversely, I keep reading quite a bit of how well the 3 day operation 3/6/12 month plan, year 1/2/3 campaign war of attrition is absolutely on schedule. any day now, total victory!
you can see my confusion here, no?
Trump is a useful idiot. I would not wager however that he will ultimately be useful to Russia.
and as much as he praises himself on his imagined successes(an interesting parallel, would you not agree), he is a lame duck already. the last elections, which were just a bit of a temperature check on his performance, he and his party got their clocks cleaned.
the wannabe dictator in the US is majorly weakened. but it is out it in the open.
the actual dictator in Russia is weakened, but it appears that he is still strong. funny how that works out when perception trumps reality for some.
I guarantee it, the daggers are out for both. only one will be deposed in a bloody way, but with Trump who knows.
China should be your concern Tavarish. the dragon is hungry and a little weakened bear off balance a welcome snack. just a hint, if you know some IT/Cybersecurity people, ask how they are doing against the Chinese onslaught of hackers.
ask about the unofficial version.
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On November 24 2025 16:04 pmp10 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2025 13:23 spets1 wrote:
The problem is that you guys have been brainwashed into believing that Ukraine can somehow win or even sustain this war. Russia is winning the war and this is why the conditions of the peace on the table are basically the same as surrender. The conditions are not even close to surrender. Even under this deal Ukraine will continue to align westwards, which makes further wars inevitable.
Yeah totally agree to this. I was saying surrender because how most of the participants in this thread see it.
But yeah These conditions will ensure peace is not be long lasting
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On November 24 2025 16:07 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2025 14:25 spets1 wrote:On November 24 2025 13:55 Doublemint wrote:
this deep state you are talking about, is there something like it in Russia too or is this a western thing? or government corruption on every level...
or being brainwashed?
if calling the last - almost - 4 years of "special operation" winning... I genuinely wonder what it means to lose Tavarish?
also, the last word has not been spoken on any sort of peace deal. don't make Trump's mistake of declaring victory prematurely. based on lies, wishful thinking and delusions of grandeur.
come to think of it, that's something Russia did way before Trump. The deep state is only in US and the West. In Russia you don't need a deep state because Putin is basically a dictator. All is pretty much in the open.The war that the Russians and Ukrainian are fighting tactically is called war of attrition, which is different. So you can't really tell who's winning by looking at territorial gain. You gotta dig a bit deeper. And that's why propaganda tailored to the west is so easily able to push the narrative as if Ukraine is winning, or is about to win, or even doing well. Yes there's no last word yet. But you can already see that the US has basically given up and want to cut their losses. You can see it from the way they are actually discussing this 28 point peace plan. Maybe they even smartened up and realised that they need to save their resources for countering china cos the biggest winner from this war is China and they are the one US has to worry about. interesting way to interpret things I don't think anyone paying attention is saying Ukraine is doing well. conversely, I keep reading quite a bit of how well the 3 day operation 3/6/12 month plan, year 1/2/3 campaign war of attrition is absolutely on schedule. any day now, total victory! you can see my confusion here, no? Trump is a useful idiot. I would not wager however that he will ultimately be useful to Russia. and as much as he praises himself on his imagined successes(an interesting parallel, would you not agree), he is a lame duck already. the last elections, which were just a bit of a temperature check on his performance, he and his party got their clocks cleaned. the wannabe dictator in the US is majorly weakened. but it is out it in the open. the actual dictator in Russia is weakened, but it appears that he is still strong. funny how that works out when perception trumps reality for some. I guarantee it, the daggers are out for both. only one will be deposed in a bloody way, but with Trump who knows. China should be your concern Tavarish. the dragon is hungry and a little weakened bear off balance a welcome snack. just a hint, if you know some IT/Cybersecurity people, ask how they are doing against the Chinese onslaught of hackers. ask about the unofficial version.
I agree with you on china for sure and I've said that in replies above as well. Russia should fear china. China will want all those far east and Siberian territories sooner or later. If Russia is really weak, they'll take it.
But it's also in US interest to contain china and align with Russia. So I think US realised they are not winning a proxi war vs Russia so they want to stop, ally with Russia (this is why they put it into the peace deal plan, reintegrate Russia into western economy, g8, business etc) to pull it away from china. Strategically that makes the most sense
Putin as dumb as his choices have been may have a really good chance of setting up Russia for success if he plays his cards right and somehow wiggle out of this mess he is in now with the war
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On November 24 2025 15:54 spets1 wrote:
But if Ukraine is doing so well, if Europe is so much stronger than Russia, why is the proposal for peace is basically a surrender? Why is it even being entertained by the Ukraine and the EU? They were flaunting early on that their goals is to destabilize Russia so much it falls and breaks into smaller parts. That Ukraine will retake all territory and maybe even get into russia and take some. And now they are on board with such horrible proposal? What changed?
Who is on board with this proposal exactly? AFAIK only Trump and Russia are in agreement on this. Ukraine and EU pretty much laughed at this deal. No one is taking it seriously.
On November 24 2025 16:23 spets1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2025 16:07 Doublemint wrote:On November 24 2025 14:25 spets1 wrote:On November 24 2025 13:55 Doublemint wrote:
this deep state you are talking about, is there something like it in Russia too or is this a western thing? or government corruption on every level...
or being brainwashed?
if calling the last - almost - 4 years of "special operation" winning... I genuinely wonder what it means to lose Tavarish?
also, the last word has not been spoken on any sort of peace deal. don't make Trump's mistake of declaring victory prematurely. based on lies, wishful thinking and delusions of grandeur.
come to think of it, that's something Russia did way before Trump. The deep state is only in US and the West. In Russia you don't need a deep state because Putin is basically a dictator. All is pretty much in the open.The war that the Russians and Ukrainian are fighting tactically is called war of attrition, which is different. So you can't really tell who's winning by looking at territorial gain. You gotta dig a bit deeper. And that's why propaganda tailored to the west is so easily able to push the narrative as if Ukraine is winning, or is about to win, or even doing well. Yes there's no last word yet. But you can already see that the US has basically given up and want to cut their losses. You can see it from the way they are actually discussing this 28 point peace plan. Maybe they even smartened up and realised that they need to save their resources for countering china cos the biggest winner from this war is China and they are the one US has to worry about. interesting way to interpret things I don't think anyone paying attention is saying Ukraine is doing well. conversely, I keep reading quite a bit of how well the 3 day operation 3/6/12 month plan, year 1/2/3 campaign war of attrition is absolutely on schedule. any day now, total victory! you can see my confusion here, no? Trump is a useful idiot. I would not wager however that he will ultimately be useful to Russia. and as much as he praises himself on his imagined successes(an interesting parallel, would you not agree), he is a lame duck already. the last elections, which were just a bit of a temperature check on his performance, he and his party got their clocks cleaned. the wannabe dictator in the US is majorly weakened. but it is out it in the open. the actual dictator in Russia is weakened, but it appears that he is still strong. funny how that works out when perception trumps reality for some. I guarantee it, the daggers are out for both. only one will be deposed in a bloody way, but with Trump who knows. China should be your concern Tavarish. the dragon is hungry and a little weakened bear off balance a welcome snack. just a hint, if you know some IT/Cybersecurity people, ask how they are doing against the Chinese onslaught of hackers. ask about the unofficial version. I agree with you on china for sure and I've said that in replies above as well. Russia should fear china. China will want all those far east and Siberian territories sooner or later. If Russia is really weak, they'll take it. But it's also in US interest to contain china and align with Russia. So I think US realised they are not winning a proxi war vs Russia so they want to stop, ally with Russia (this is why they put it into the peace deal plan, reintegrate Russia into western economy, g8, business etc) to pull it away from china. Strategically that makes the most sense Putin as dumb as his choices have been may have a really good chance of setting up Russia for success if he plays his cards right and somehow wiggle out of this mess he is in now with the war
What are you talking about? Allying with Russia vs China is pointless when you can ally with India instead who poses much higher threat to China than Russia ever did. US is not fighting a proxy war vs Russia because US has withdrawn its support a long time ago (how many times does this need to be repeated? US is not taking part in RU-UA war at all at the moment, apart from sanctions).
Also, I don't think anyone wants to reintegrate Russia into western economy. Countries have learned the hard way what it entails and that's why they've all taken steps and made huge investments to make sure they never need anything from Russia ever again.
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On November 24 2025 14:25 spets1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2025 13:55 Doublemint wrote:
this deep state you are talking about, is there something like it in Russia too or is this a western thing? or government corruption on every level...
or being brainwashed?
if calling the last - almost - 4 years of "special operation" winning... I genuinely wonder what it means to lose Tavarish?
also, the last word has not been spoken on any sort of peace deal. don't make Trump's mistake of declaring victory prematurely. based on lies, wishful thinking and delusions of grandeur.
come to think of it, that's something Russia did way before Trump. The deep state is only in US and the West. In Russia you don't need a deep state because Putin is basically a dictator. All is pretty much in the open. The war that the Russians and Ukrainian are fighting tactically is called war of attrition, which is different. So you can't really tell who's winning by looking at territorial gain. You gotta dig a bit deeper. And that's why propaganda tailored to the west is so easily able to push the narrative as if Ukraine is winning, or is about to win, or even doing well. Yes there's no last word yet. But you can already see that the US has basically given up and want to cut their losses. You can see it from the way they are actually discussing this 28 point peace plan. Maybe they even smartened up and realised that they need to save their resources for countering china cos the biggest winner from this war is China and they are the one US has to worry about.
Russia's Soviet stock is nearly gone. The manpower shortages are so bad that you need North Koreans, Cubans, Africans, and who knows who else to bail you out, yet several regions are cutting their sign-on bonuses because they're running out of money. The Kremlin is also running out of money, it started selling its gold reserves. Soon enough they might start rounding up cowards like you as they run out of their current bullet sponges.
On November 24 2025 15:54 spets1 wrote:
But if Ukraine is doing so well, if Europe is so much stronger than Russia, why is the proposal for peace is basically a surrender? Why is it even being entertained by the Ukraine and the EU?
Because having the US engaged on the Ukrainian side, selling weapons and providing intel is better than not having that. It's called diplomacy.
They were flaunting early on that their goals is to destabilize Russia so much it falls and breaks into smaller parts. That Ukraine will retake all territory and maybe even get into russia and take some. And now they are on board with such horrible proposal? What changed?
Who was doing that? Where did you hear that?
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On November 24 2025 16:28 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2025 15:54 spets1 wrote:
But if Ukraine is doing so well, if Europe is so much stronger than Russia, why is the proposal for peace is basically a surrender? Why is it even being entertained by the Ukraine and the EU? They were flaunting early on that their goals is to destabilize Russia so much it falls and breaks into smaller parts. That Ukraine will retake all territory and maybe even get into russia and take some. And now they are on board with such horrible proposal? What changed? Who is on board with this proposal exactly? AFAIK only Trump and Russia are in agreement on this. Ukraine and EU pretty much laughed at this deal. No one is taking it seriously.
Can't you see the progression of this. From the start of invasion:
First EU and US and Ukraine were rejecting any talks
The war goes on.
Then the US started to do diplomacy with Russia
The war goes on
The EU and Ukraine then said ok we will do diplomacy, 'nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine" and so they threw a bunch of demands at Russia, talking at it not with it. Unconditional ceasefire ,plus more sanctions etc etc
The war goes on
They kept demanding
The war goes on
And now they are actually looking at this "non starter" peace plan and actually saying this could be the start, basis of a peace agreement.
If you follow the trend logically you will see that they are only doing that because they realised they are in bad shape with everything they tried so far
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On November 24 2025 16:30 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2025 14:25 spets1 wrote:On November 24 2025 13:55 Doublemint wrote:
this deep state you are talking about, is there something like it in Russia too or is this a western thing? or government corruption on every level...
or being brainwashed?
if calling the last - almost - 4 years of "special operation" winning... I genuinely wonder what it means to lose Tavarish?
also, the last word has not been spoken on any sort of peace deal. don't make Trump's mistake of declaring victory prematurely. based on lies, wishful thinking and delusions of grandeur.
come to think of it, that's something Russia did way before Trump. The deep state is only in US and the West. In Russia you don't need a deep state because Putin is basically a dictator. All is pretty much in the open. The war that the Russians and Ukrainian are fighting tactically is called war of attrition, which is different. So you can't really tell who's winning by looking at territorial gain. You gotta dig a bit deeper. And that's why propaganda tailored to the west is so easily able to push the narrative as if Ukraine is winning, or is about to win, or even doing well. Yes there's no last word yet. But you can already see that the US has basically given up and want to cut their losses. You can see it from the way they are actually discussing this 28 point peace plan. Maybe they even smartened up and realised that they need to save their resources for countering china cos the biggest winner from this war is China and they are the one US has to worry about. Russia's Soviet stock is nearly gone. The manpower shortages are so bad that you need North Koreans, Cubans, Africans, and who knows who else to bail you out, yet several regions are cutting their sign-on bonuses because they're running out of money. The Kremlin is also running out of money, it started selling its gold reserves. Soon enough they might start rounding up cowards like you as they run out of their current bullet sponges. Show nested quote +On November 24 2025 15:54 spets1 wrote:
But if Ukraine is doing so well, if Europe is so much stronger than Russia, why is the proposal for peace is basically a surrender? Why is it even being entertained by the Ukraine and the EU? Because having the US engaged on the Ukrainian side, selling weapons and providing intel is better than not having that. It's called diplomacy. Show nested quote +They were flaunting early on that their goals is to destabilize Russia so much it falls and breaks into smaller parts. That Ukraine will retake all territory and maybe even get into russia and take some. And now they are on board with such horrible proposal? What changed? Who was doing that? Where did you hear that?
Ah yes the name-calling returns, a good sign as you have nothing to say worth considering
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On November 24 2025 16:36 spets1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2025 16:28 Manit0u wrote:On November 24 2025 15:54 spets1 wrote:
But if Ukraine is doing so well, if Europe is so much stronger than Russia, why is the proposal for peace is basically a surrender? Why is it even being entertained by the Ukraine and the EU? They were flaunting early on that their goals is to destabilize Russia so much it falls and breaks into smaller parts. That Ukraine will retake all territory and maybe even get into russia and take some. And now they are on board with such horrible proposal? What changed? Who is on board with this proposal exactly? AFAIK only Trump and Russia are in agreement on this. Ukraine and EU pretty much laughed at this deal. No one is taking it seriously. Can't you see the progression of this. From the start of invasion: First EU and US and Ukraine were rejecting any talks The war goes on. Then the US started to do diplomacy with Russia The war goes on The EU and Ukraine then said ok we will do diplomacy, 'nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine" and so they threw a bunch of demands at Russia, talking at it not with it. Unconditional ceasefire ,plus more sanctions etc etc The war goes on They kept demanding The war goes on And now they are actually looking at this "non starter" peace plan and actually saying this could be the start, basis of a peace agreement. If you follow the trend logically you will see that they are only doing that because they realised they are in bad shape with everything they tried so far
No one said this could be start, basis of a peace agreement. Also, you got your timeline of events wrong. For 10 years now everyone was telling Russia to back off Ukraine, yet they invaded it again. The only "peace" offerings Russia made so far was "give us what we want" and no concessions on their part.
If Russia wants peace so much it's super easy, all they have to do is to stop attacking Ukraine. It's as easy as that.
It's like saying you're preventing a peaceful resolution when you keep holding your door being pushed in by the burglars. You should just let them in and let them take what they want instead...
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On November 24 2025 16:04 pmp10 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2025 13:23 spets1 wrote:
The problem is that you guys have been brainwashed into believing that Ukraine can somehow win or even sustain this war. Russia is winning the war and this is why the conditions of the peace on the table are basically the same as surrender. The conditions are not even close to surrender. Even under this deal Ukraine will continue to align westwards, which makes further wars inevitable. When you look at the terms only giving up Donbass would be really hard to stomach, the rest is down to Zelensky resisting the end of his political career.
You are clueless. If Ukraine accepts this deal, they have to decrease their army by half and disarm, and give up key strongholds in Donbas. After that happens, Russia can fake a rocket attack on Moscow, giving Trump the green light to bail, while Russia resumes its invasion from a much better position, against a much weaker enemy.
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On November 24 2025 16:42 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2025 16:36 spets1 wrote:On November 24 2025 16:28 Manit0u wrote:On November 24 2025 15:54 spets1 wrote:
But if Ukraine is doing so well, if Europe is so much stronger than Russia, why is the proposal for peace is basically a surrender? Why is it even being entertained by the Ukraine and the EU? They were flaunting early on that their goals is to destabilize Russia so much it falls and breaks into smaller parts. That Ukraine will retake all territory and maybe even get into russia and take some. And now they are on board with such horrible proposal? What changed? Who is on board with this proposal exactly? AFAIK only Trump and Russia are in agreement on this. Ukraine and EU pretty much laughed at this deal. No one is taking it seriously. Can't you see the progression of this. From the start of invasion: First EU and US and Ukraine were rejecting any talks The war goes on. Then the US started to do diplomacy with Russia The war goes on The EU and Ukraine then said ok we will do diplomacy, 'nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine" and so they threw a bunch of demands at Russia, talking at it not with it. Unconditional ceasefire ,plus more sanctions etc etc The war goes on They kept demanding The war goes on And now they are actually looking at this "non starter" peace plan and actually saying this could be the start, basis of a peace agreement. If you follow the trend logically you will see that they are only doing that because they realised they are in bad shape with everything they tried so far No one said this could be start, basis of a peace agreement. Also, you got your timeline of events wrong. For 10 years now everyone was telling Russia to back off Ukraine, yet they invaded it again. The only "peace" offerings Russia made so far was "give us what we want" and no concessions on their part. If Russia wants peace so much it's super easy, all they have to do is to stop attacking Ukraine. It's as easy as that. It's like saying you're preventing a peaceful resolution when you keep holding your door being pushed in by the burglars. You should just let them in and let them take what they want instead...
Russia can't do that and will not do that because they see NATO in Ukraine as an existential threat
There plenty EU diplomats saying it could be a basis for peace, you just listen to propaganda channels you're missing all the info
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On November 24 2025 16:39 spets1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2025 16:30 maybenexttime wrote:On November 24 2025 14:25 spets1 wrote:On November 24 2025 13:55 Doublemint wrote:
this deep state you are talking about, is there something like it in Russia too or is this a western thing? or government corruption on every level...
or being brainwashed?
if calling the last - almost - 4 years of "special operation" winning... I genuinely wonder what it means to lose Tavarish?
also, the last word has not been spoken on any sort of peace deal. don't make Trump's mistake of declaring victory prematurely. based on lies, wishful thinking and delusions of grandeur.
come to think of it, that's something Russia did way before Trump. The deep state is only in US and the West. In Russia you don't need a deep state because Putin is basically a dictator. All is pretty much in the open. The war that the Russians and Ukrainian are fighting tactically is called war of attrition, which is different. So you can't really tell who's winning by looking at territorial gain. You gotta dig a bit deeper. And that's why propaganda tailored to the west is so easily able to push the narrative as if Ukraine is winning, or is about to win, or even doing well. Yes there's no last word yet. But you can already see that the US has basically given up and want to cut their losses. You can see it from the way they are actually discussing this 28 point peace plan. Maybe they even smartened up and realised that they need to save their resources for countering china cos the biggest winner from this war is China and they are the one US has to worry about. Russia's Soviet stock is nearly gone. The manpower shortages are so bad that you need North Koreans, Cubans, Africans, and who knows who else to bail you out, yet several regions are cutting their sign-on bonuses because they're running out of money. The Kremlin is also running out of money, it started selling its gold reserves. Soon enough they might start rounding up cowards like you as they run out of their current bullet sponges. On November 24 2025 15:54 spets1 wrote:
But if Ukraine is doing so well, if Europe is so much stronger than Russia, why is the proposal for peace is basically a surrender? Why is it even being entertained by the Ukraine and the EU? Because having the US engaged on the Ukrainian side, selling weapons and providing intel is better than not having that. It's called diplomacy. They were flaunting early on that their goals is to destabilize Russia so much it falls and breaks into smaller parts. That Ukraine will retake all territory and maybe even get into russia and take some. And now they are on board with such horrible proposal? What changed? Who was doing that? Where did you hear that? Ah yes the name-calling returns, a good sign as you have nothing to say worth considering
Are you not a cowards? Cheerleading a genocidal war from the safety of your home?
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On November 24 2025 16:44 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2025 16:39 spets1 wrote:On November 24 2025 16:30 maybenexttime wrote:On November 24 2025 14:25 spets1 wrote:On November 24 2025 13:55 Doublemint wrote:
this deep state you are talking about, is there something like it in Russia too or is this a western thing? or government corruption on every level...
or being brainwashed?
if calling the last - almost - 4 years of "special operation" winning... I genuinely wonder what it means to lose Tavarish?
also, the last word has not been spoken on any sort of peace deal. don't make Trump's mistake of declaring victory prematurely. based on lies, wishful thinking and delusions of grandeur.
come to think of it, that's something Russia did way before Trump. The deep state is only in US and the West. In Russia you don't need a deep state because Putin is basically a dictator. All is pretty much in the open. The war that the Russians and Ukrainian are fighting tactically is called war of attrition, which is different. So you can't really tell who's winning by looking at territorial gain. You gotta dig a bit deeper. And that's why propaganda tailored to the west is so easily able to push the narrative as if Ukraine is winning, or is about to win, or even doing well. Yes there's no last word yet. But you can already see that the US has basically given up and want to cut their losses. You can see it from the way they are actually discussing this 28 point peace plan. Maybe they even smartened up and realised that they need to save their resources for countering china cos the biggest winner from this war is China and they are the one US has to worry about. Russia's Soviet stock is nearly gone. The manpower shortages are so bad that you need North Koreans, Cubans, Africans, and who knows who else to bail you out, yet several regions are cutting their sign-on bonuses because they're running out of money. The Kremlin is also running out of money, it started selling its gold reserves. Soon enough they might start rounding up cowards like you as they run out of their current bullet sponges. On November 24 2025 15:54 spets1 wrote:
But if Ukraine is doing so well, if Europe is so much stronger than Russia, why is the proposal for peace is basically a surrender? Why is it even being entertained by the Ukraine and the EU? Because having the US engaged on the Ukrainian side, selling weapons and providing intel is better than not having that. It's called diplomacy. They were flaunting early on that their goals is to destabilize Russia so much it falls and breaks into smaller parts. That Ukraine will retake all territory and maybe even get into russia and take some. And now they are on board with such horrible proposal? What changed? Who was doing that? Where did you hear that? Ah yes the name-calling returns, a good sign as you have nothing to say worth considering Are you not a cowards? Cheerleading a genocidal war from the safety of your home?
No it's actually what you're doing,.you want the war to go on
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On November 24 2025 16:44 spets1 wrote:
Russia can't do that and will not do that because they see NATO in Ukraine as an existential threat
There plenty EU diplomats saying it could be a basis for peace, you just listen to propaganda channels you're missing all the info
Can you explain how NATO is an existential threat exactly? I'm really wondering how Russia sees it that way.
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On November 24 2025 16:46 spets1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2025 16:44 maybenexttime wrote:On November 24 2025 16:39 spets1 wrote:On November 24 2025 16:30 maybenexttime wrote:On November 24 2025 14:25 spets1 wrote:On November 24 2025 13:55 Doublemint wrote:
this deep state you are talking about, is there something like it in Russia too or is this a western thing? or government corruption on every level...
or being brainwashed?
if calling the last - almost - 4 years of "special operation" winning... I genuinely wonder what it means to lose Tavarish?
also, the last word has not been spoken on any sort of peace deal. don't make Trump's mistake of declaring victory prematurely. based on lies, wishful thinking and delusions of grandeur.
come to think of it, that's something Russia did way before Trump. The deep state is only in US and the West. In Russia you don't need a deep state because Putin is basically a dictator. All is pretty much in the open. The war that the Russians and Ukrainian are fighting tactically is called war of attrition, which is different. So you can't really tell who's winning by looking at territorial gain. You gotta dig a bit deeper. And that's why propaganda tailored to the west is so easily able to push the narrative as if Ukraine is winning, or is about to win, or even doing well. Yes there's no last word yet. But you can already see that the US has basically given up and want to cut their losses. You can see it from the way they are actually discussing this 28 point peace plan. Maybe they even smartened up and realised that they need to save their resources for countering china cos the biggest winner from this war is China and they are the one US has to worry about. Russia's Soviet stock is nearly gone. The manpower shortages are so bad that you need North Koreans, Cubans, Africans, and who knows who else to bail you out, yet several regions are cutting their sign-on bonuses because they're running out of money. The Kremlin is also running out of money, it started selling its gold reserves. Soon enough they might start rounding up cowards like you as they run out of their current bullet sponges. On November 24 2025 15:54 spets1 wrote:
But if Ukraine is doing so well, if Europe is so much stronger than Russia, why is the proposal for peace is basically a surrender? Why is it even being entertained by the Ukraine and the EU? Because having the US engaged on the Ukrainian side, selling weapons and providing intel is better than not having that. It's called diplomacy. They were flaunting early on that their goals is to destabilize Russia so much it falls and breaks into smaller parts. That Ukraine will retake all territory and maybe even get into russia and take some. And now they are on board with such horrible proposal? What changed? Who was doing that? Where did you hear that? Ah yes the name-calling returns, a good sign as you have nothing to say worth considering Are you not a cowards? Cheerleading a genocidal war from the safety of your home? No it's actually what you're doing,.you want the war to go on
No, I want it to stop. You fuckers can just go home, stop killing innocent people and the war ends. Ukraine can't do that. Europe can't do that. If Ukraine surrenders, you will round them up for your next war like you're doing in the occupied territories.
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