Russo-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 889

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Manit0u

Poland17452 Posts

1 hour ago

#17761

On November 24 2025 13:23 spets1 wrote:
The problem is that you guys have been brainwashed into believing that Ukraine can somehow win or even sustain this war. Russia is winning the war and this is why the conditions of the peace on the table are basically the same as surrender. So it's either accept these conditions now or get completely defeated and lose even more. It's not because trump is bad, trump and the deep state that controls him have realised that they lost the war. So they're scrambling

The conditions for this "peace deal" are the same as surrender because they were created by the Russians and passed on to Russian sympathizers in the US government to present as their own.

And is Russia really winning? Their army sure does look mighty:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DRaFuwajDT7/

spets1

120 Posts

1 hour ago

#17762

On November 24 2025 13:55 Doublemint wrote:
this deep state you are talking about, is there something like it in Russia too or is this a western thing? or government corruption on every level...

or being brainwashed?

if calling the last - almost - 4 years of "special operation" winning... I genuinely wonder what it means to lose Tavarish?

also, the last word has not been spoken on any sort of peace deal. don't make Trump's mistake of declaring victory prematurely. based on lies, wishful thinking and delusions of grandeur.

come to think of it, that's something Russia did way before Trump.

The deep state is only in US and the West. In Russia you don't need a deep state because Putin is basically a dictator. All is pretty much in the open.

The war that the Russians and Ukrainian are fighting tactically is called war of attrition, which is different. So you can't really tell who's winning by looking at territorial gain. You gotta dig a bit deeper. And that's why propaganda tailored to the west is so easily able to push the narrative as if Ukraine is winning, or is about to win, or even doing well.

Yes there's no last word yet. But you can already see that the US has basically given up and want to cut their losses. You can see it from the way they are actually discussing this 28 point peace plan. Maybe they even smartened up and realised that they need to save their resources for countering china cos the biggest winner from this war is China and they are the one US has to worry about.

Manit0u

Poland17452 Posts

1 hour ago

#17763

On November 24 2025 14:25 spets1 wrote:

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You are aware of course that this year the US investment in Ukraine was 0? Trump stopped it all when he took office. So, the US has no "losses to cut" because they're not investing anything in this war any more and haven't been for a while. That's also why a peace deal proposed by the US is quite hilarious because they lost the right to say stuff about it when they pulled out.

And speaking about the war of attrition, Russia is in a worse position here since Ukraine is being backed by the entirety of EU, which is vastly richer than Russia and they can keep it up pretty much indefinitely (which Russia can't do). The longer this war goes, the worse it gets for Russia, to win all that Ukraine has to do is hold out. I don't really see a world where Russia wins this war without taking all of Ukraine and at the current rate our grandchildren will be continuing this discussion.

I don't know where those delusions of Great Power Russia come from any more. This illusion has been shattered. They might've been powerful before this war due to sheer size of their military (of which most they've now lost) but by the economy alone Russia is actually a rather poor and poorly managed country. The funny thing is, that with their resources and land area if they got their shit together they'd probably be richer than the US, but they decided to go the route they've been going so they're not much better than a third-world country.

Falling

Canada11376 Posts

44 minutes ago

#17764

trump and the deep state that controls him

Wait. I thought Trump was fighting against the curiously absent and powerless Deep State. Might want to get your conspiracy theories sorted.

The only thing that brain-washed me into thinking Ukraine could hold off is that they have continued to do so. When Russia rolled over the border and moved to seized Kiev, I assumed Ukraine would swiftly collapse as I still thought of Russia as a great power and generally believe wars are won with the firstest with the mostest. But here we are some 1360 days later...

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