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NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets.

Your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12521 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-11-14 23:58:37
39 minutes ago
#17481
On November 15 2025 08:39 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2025 08:34 ETisME wrote:
On November 15 2025 03:22 Falling wrote:
On November 13 2025 19:16 ETisME wrote:
On November 13 2025 18:11 Excludos wrote:
On November 13 2025 05:43 Ardias wrote:
On November 13 2025 04:26 KwarK wrote:
On November 13 2025 04:16 Ardias wrote:
On November 12 2025 22:13 Manit0u wrote:
Also, this article is not only paid but kinda bullshit:

”The result is that the land forces are not expanding but are actually declining in numbers… The Ukrainian force density is already so low that there are parts of the front that are essentially only guarded by drones.”


I'm pretty sure it's impossible to have fully staffed frontline that's 1.6k km long and neither Ukraine, nor Russia have it all covered.

Also, the previous reports directly from Ukraine said they have enough men but not enough stuff to equip them all so it's rather an equipment problem than manpower problem.

https://kyivindependent.com/more-than-tomahawks-what-ukraines-military-says-it-actually-needs/
"Ukrainian military experts who spoke to the Kyiv Independent stressed that the Ukrainian military’s number one shortage is manpower."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/21/ukraine-faces-difficult-decisions-over-acute-shortage-of-frontline-troops
“Manpower is the most vital need” Ukraine has at the moment"
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2025/10/06/as-gaps-widen-along-the-front-ukraine-is-reportedly-struggling-to-hold-back-russia-s-advance
"One of the biggest problems is the persistent shortage of manpower — and the resulting lack of infantry."
https://www.iiss.org/online-analysis/military-balance/2025/02/combat-losses-and-manpower-challenges-underscore-the-importance-of-mass-in-ukraine/
"Nevertheless, the main challenge Ukraine currently faces is manpower, specifically with regards to management and allocation."
https://kyivindependent.com/behind-ukraines-manpower-crisis-lies-a-bleak-new-battlefield-reality-for-infantry/
"But as of mid-2025, as Russia's full-scale war against Ukraine enters its fourth fall season, Ukraine's military is gripped by a deep manpower crisis, most acute in the ranks of its infantry."

https://www.politico.eu/article/war-in-ukraine-draft-age-russia-vitali-klitschko/
“We have huge problems with soldiers — with human resources,” Klitschko told the Axel Springer Global Reporters Network"

That isn’t incompatible with his point. If you’re on the front then you might describe the problem as a shortage of armed men. If you’re responsible for providing armed men then you might be able to find men but not arms for them. That doesn’t mean either person is lying, they’re just looking at different parts. A shortage of armed trained equipped men is called a manpower crisis but it doesn’t mean the bottleneck is specifically lack of men. Or that lack of men is the only problem.

Ukraine’s equipment park is roughly where it was at the start of the war in terms of tanks, IFVs, artillery, and so forth. But it’s military has grown hugely. That means you have nominally armoured battalions that are under strength in real terms. They lack the equipment to properly fill them out. Ukraine’s combat power could be increased very significantly without adding extra personnel if the existing battalions were equipped to the levels NATO countries view as the minimum for combat effectiveness.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/21/ukraine-faces-difficult-decisions-over-acute-shortage-of-frontline-troops
"Two sources in air defence units told the Guardian the deficit at the front has become so acute that the general staff has ordered already-depleted air defence units to free up more men to send to the front as infantry.
“It’s reaching a critical level where we can’t be sure that air defence can function properly,” said one of the sources, saying he had been prompted to speak out by a fear that the situation was a risk to Ukraine’s security."
https://kyivindependent.com/more-than-tomahawks-what-ukraines-military-says-it-actually-needs/
While the Ukrainian military also lacks prestigious Western-supplied weapons and equipment, soldiers and commanders say the shortage of basic resources — from cars to drones and people — makes it extremely difficult to hold back the relentless Russian offensives.
https://www.iiss.org/online-analysis/military-balance/2025/02/combat-losses-and-manpower-challenges-underscore-the-importance-of-mass-in-ukraine/
"Ukraine’s armed forces are not currently facing a critical situation with regards to equipment; however, they will likely need significantly more weapons, especially modern Western-made systems, to reliably stop Russian assaults."

Also country without manpower shortages generally doesn't resort to this.
https://busification.org/?lang=en


It's genuinely impressive how some people choose to dodge every point thrown at them with so little effort. Did you even read the very text you quoted before doubling down again?

Let's put it in words that a 5 year old can understand:
Yes, Ukraine wants more manpower, duh. More men = you can do more stuff. However, with the current equipment shortages, recruiting more men is completely pointless. Zelenskyy does have the ability to lower the conscription age, and have chosen not to do so, because it would make no difference. What will win this war for Ukraine isn't more men in isolation, it's more-, and more modern, equipment. Zelenskyy have been very open about this for years now, which is why he's constantly touring the world to ask world leaders for weapons and resources. If he wanted more men, he could find that within the borders of his own country (The rest of the world sure aren't providing any...)

They are not deliberately limiting recruitment number due to lack of equipment.
Multiple reports have been about recruiting efforts simply not doing well enough, hence the average age in ukraine army is between 45ish even after lowering the conscription age to 25, harder to dodge draft etc

It's a chicken and egg problem though. I've seen interviews of Ukrainian men not wanting to get drafted and one of things they express is lack of equipment. It would be incredibly demoralizing to get drafted into a unit stripped down of equipment compared to getting drafted into a unit that is fully kitted out and even equipped with a couple of the latest toys that are being tested.

So for example, artillerymen are recycling old shells, dismantling defective detonator caps and reassembling with salvaged detonators. Syrski shows up at the frontline and that axis suddenly gets 200 shells, but normally they are allotted 10. You can't cover the existing troops getting 10 shells at a time. So then that creates a demoralizing effect down the line.

I think it's incredibly wrongheaded for the US to keep holding back equipment unless Ukraine can up recruitment. Flood them with equipment like Lend Lease 2.0 and Ukraine will find units to use them. And America can create more home grown industrial jobs like Trump the Magnificent keeps saying he wants.

One of the reasons yes, but it's far from being a significant factor enough to be a game changer like you implied.

You can read articles directly :
Result of draft is devastating and there's an exodus of young men.

As the Russia War Continues, Ukraine Faces a Major Draft Evasion Problem - The New York Times https://share.google/j8syfdA34a4YLuh3r

Ukraine faces ‘huge problems’ finding soldiers as men flee abroad, says Kyiv mayor – POLITICO https://share.google/1oAyzmQcmmbjZECw6

"But the situation in Ukraine has changed since last spring. Ukrainian forces now have parity and sometimes even a small firepower edge at important points on the 600-mile frontline. Ukraine’s shell hunger has been largely sated for the time being. Firepower and materiel are no longer the Russo-Ukrainian war’s center of gravity."
The Deep Strike Dodge: Firepower and Manpower in Ukraine’s War https://share.google/VIh4unHtwbzmSVMFm


Bananas can never be brown, they are only ever yellow! Here's proof!

https://pekoproduce.com/blogs/produce-nutrition/green-to-yellow-to-spotty-how-do-bananas-ripen
“As chlorophyll (green pigment) breaks down and carotenoids (yellow pigment) are created, bananas will slowly transition from green to a light yellow colour.”

https://www.scienceabc.com/nature/bananas-change-colour-upon-ripening.html
“At the molecular level, there is cell division and starch to sugar conversion, translating green hard bananas to sweet sumptuous yellow ripe bananas, enticing frugivores and humans alike.”

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10118268
“The green-to-yellow color of banana peels is an excellent indicator of fruit ripening.”

https://kids.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/frym.2018.00016
“During ripening, there is an increase in ethylene production and a massive change in colour in bananas as they ripen.”

https://scienceinschool.org/article/2018/go-bananas-biochemistry
“This article describes a selection of simple but meaningful experiments using a common fruit (banana) to understand some basic metabolic processes.”

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/food-journeys-graphic
“Bananas are grown year-round in tropical and subtropical regions of the world.”

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0042698922000840
“We propose that the perceived object colour is determined by the dominant hue.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana
“The vivid yellow colour many consumers in temperate climates associate with bananas is caused by ripening around ~18 °C, and does not occur in Cavendish bananas ripened in tropical temperatures (over 27 °C).”

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/green-bananas-good-or-bad
“As bananas ripen, they produce and release ethylene gas, which causes the yellow pigment in the fruit skin to decay and turn brown.”

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271207951_Banana_Ripening_Colour_Physical_and_Sensory_Changes
“The change in colour of the peel from green to yellow is the most apparent change that occurs during ripening and serves as a rough gauge to the stage of ripeness.”

Edit: If I need to spell it out for you, this is how you argue. There's no worthy substance in just linking to a bunch of random articles and adding a random sentence to each. I very much suspect you used chatgpt to fish out random articles for you, just like I did here. This is not how to make reasonable arguments. You are providing nothing. You're not even arguing for anything. Whenever your arguments are countered, you just go "whaaaa? Mee? But I never said that!" which is true, because you haven't said anything of worth.

Stop this nonsense. Stop arguing in bad faith. Stop trolling

Anything of worth? I would think Ukraine not having men and the reasons behind it is pretty important in a topic about Ukraine at war with Russia.
Otherwise we have distorted views like yours.

if my question is why banana is yellow and what does it represent, then all your article in that posts are relevant. Or you think it's not "anything of worth" as well?

What would be something of worth in your view on that banana topic then. Let's see your non trolling post.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8165 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-11-15 00:07:52
30 minutes ago
#17482
Did I prove bananas can't be brown with my wall of articles there?

You're providing nothing of value. People have been telling you stuff for pages now, and you still just blast articles after article with no real substance, without really saying anything or actually responding to anything.

I can not spoon-feed you any further. I have made my point, in detail. If you still don't get it, that's on you
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12521 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-11-15 00:14:06
21 minutes ago
#17483
On November 15 2025 09:05 Excludos wrote:
Did I prove bananas can't be brown with my wall of articles there?

You're providing nothing of value. People have been telling you stuff for pages now, and you still just blast articles after article with no real substance, without really saying anything or actually responding to anything.

I can not spoon-feed you any further. I have made my point, in detail. If you still don't get it, that's on you

so you think banana could be brown is relevant to my topic then?
So Ukraine not having enough men, reasons about it, all the articles from FT etc aren't anything of value?
That's a lot of value and very relevant, I asked how long can this go on.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
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