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On November 12 2025 22:13 Manit0u wrote: Also, this article is not only paid but kinda bullshit:
”The result is that the land forces are not expanding but are actually declining in numbers… The Ukrainian force density is already so low that there are parts of the front that are essentially only guarded by drones.”
I'm pretty sure it's impossible to have fully staffed frontline that's 1.6k km long and neither Ukraine, nor Russia have it all covered.
Also, the previous reports directly from Ukraine said they have enough men but not enough stuff to equip them all so it's rather an equipment problem than manpower problem.
That isn’t incompatible with his point. If you’re on the front then you might describe the problem as a shortage of armed men. If you’re responsible for providing armed men then you might be able to find men but not arms for them. That doesn’t mean either person is lying, they’re just looking at different parts. A shortage of armed trained equipped men is called a manpower crisis but it doesn’t mean the bottleneck is specifically lack of men. Or that lack of men is the only problem.
Ukraine’s equipment park is roughly where it was at the start of the war in terms of tanks, IFVs, artillery, and so forth. But it’s military has grown hugely. That means you have nominally armoured battalions that are under strength in real terms. They lack the equipment to properly fill them out. Ukraine’s combat power could be increased very significantly without adding extra personnel if the existing battalions were equipped to the levels NATO countries view as the minimum for combat effectiveness.
It's genuinely impressive how some people choose to dodge every point thrown at them with so little effort. Did you even read the very text you quoted before doubling down again?
Let's put it in words that a 5 year old can understand: Yes, Ukraine wants more manpower, duh. More men = you can do more stuff. However, with the current equipment shortages, recruiting more men is completely pointless. Zelenskyy does have the ability to lower the conscription age, and have chosen not to do so, because it would make no difference. What will win this war for Ukraine isn't more men in isolation, it's more-, and more modern, equipment. Zelenskyy have been very open about this for years now, which is why he's constantly touring the world to ask world leaders for weapons and resources. If he wanted more men, he could find that within the borders of his own country (The rest of the world sure aren't providing any...)
They are not deliberately limiting recruitment number due to lack of equipment. Multiple reports have been about recruiting efforts simply not doing well enough, hence the average age in ukraine army is between 45ish even after lowering the conscription age to 25, harder to dodge draft etc
It's a chicken and egg problem though. I've seen interviews of Ukrainian men not wanting to get drafted and one of things they express is lack of equipment. It would be incredibly demoralizing to get drafted into a unit stripped down of equipment compared to getting drafted into a unit that is fully kitted out and even equipped with a couple of the latest toys that are being tested.
So for example, artillerymen are recycling old shells, dismantling defective detonator caps and reassembling with salvaged detonators. Syrski shows up at the frontline and that axis suddenly gets 200 shells, but normally they are allotted 10. You can't cover the existing troops getting 10 shells at a time. So then that creates a demoralizing effect down the line.
I think it's incredibly wrongheaded for the US to keep holding back equipment unless Ukraine can up recruitment. Flood them with equipment like Lend Lease 2.0 and Ukraine will find units to use them. And America can create more home grown industrial jobs like Trump the Magnificent keeps saying he wants.
One of the reasons yes, but it's far from being a significant factor enough to be a game changer like you implied.
You can read articles directly : Result of draft is devastating and there's an exodus of young men.
"But the situation in Ukraine has changed since last spring. Ukrainian forces now have parity and sometimes even a small firepower edge at important points on the 600-mile frontline. Ukraine’s shell hunger has been largely sated for the time being. Firepower and materiel are no longer the Russo-Ukrainian war’s center of gravity." The Deep Strike Dodge: Firepower and Manpower in Ukraine’s War https://share.google/VIh4unHtwbzmSVMFm
Bananas can never be brown, they are only ever yellow! Here's proof!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana “The vivid yellow colour many consumers in temperate climates associate with bananas is caused by ripening around ~18 °C, and does not occur in Cavendish bananas ripened in tropical temperatures (over 27 °C).”
Edit: If I need to spell it out for you, this is how you argue. There's no worthy substance in just linking to a bunch of random articles and adding a random sentence to each. I very much suspect you used chatgpt to fish out random articles for you, just like I did here. This is not how to make reasonable arguments. You are providing nothing. You're not even arguing for anything. Whenever your arguments are countered, you just go "whaaaa? Mee? But I never said that!" which is true, because you haven't said anything of worth.
Stop this nonsense. Stop arguing in bad faith. Stop trolling
Anything of worth? I would think Ukraine not having men and the reasons behind it is pretty important in a topic about Ukraine at war with Russia. Otherwise we have distorted views like yours.
if my question is why banana is yellow and what does it represent, then all your article in that posts are relevant. Or you think it's not "anything of worth" as well?
What would be something of worth in your view on that banana topic then. Let's see your non trolling post.
Did I prove bananas can't be brown with my wall of articles there?
You're providing nothing of value. People have been telling you stuff for pages now, and you still just blast articles after article with no real substance, without really saying anything or actually responding to anything.
I can not spoon-feed you any further. I have made my point, in detail. If you still don't get it, that's on you
On November 15 2025 09:05 Excludos wrote: Did I prove bananas can't be brown with my wall of articles there?
You're providing nothing of value. People have been telling you stuff for pages now, and you still just blast articles after article with no real substance, without really saying anything or actually responding to anything.
I can not spoon-feed you any further. I have made my point, in detail. If you still don't get it, that's on you
so you think banana could be brown is relevant to my topic then? So Ukraine not having enough men, reasons about it, all the articles from FT etc aren't anything of value? That's a lot of value and very relevant, I asked how long can this go on.
On November 15 2025 09:05 Excludos wrote: Did I prove bananas can't be brown with my wall of articles there?
You're providing nothing of value. People have been telling you stuff for pages now, and you still just blast articles after article with no real substance, without really saying anything or actually responding to anything.
I can not spoon-feed you any further. I have made my point, in detail. If you still don't get it, that's on you
so you think banana could be brown is relevant to my topic then? So Ukraine not having enough men, reasons about it, all the articles from FT etc aren't anything of value? That's a lot of value and very relevant, I asked how long can this go on.
This is the dumbest meta discussion ever. I'll take on the main argument: let's assume that Ukraine does have a manpower problem. What do you think that means? Are they going to concede more land to only hold the best defensive positions? Because I don't see that happening on the ground. Are they going to capitulate and sue for peace with large concessions? Because I don't see that happening either. So what is this about? "I'm right" points on the internet? Then we can just stop this line of arguing because it enlightens noone.
I think the closest I can come to understanding it is the manpower thing is to pro russian info what the economic collapse of Russia is to the pro Ukraine news. It is a real problem, it is effecting the war, it could cause a massive collapse, but were likely not close to it actually happening.
That being said there are some pretty easy things Ukraine can do to increase its manpower (lower conscription age). Russia has basically used all its levers.
On November 16 2025 02:47 Billyboy wrote: I think the closest I can come to understanding it is the manpower thing is to pro russian info what the economic collapse of Russia is to the pro Ukraine news. It is a real problem, it is effecting the war, it could cause a massive collapse, but were likely not close to it actually happening.
That being said there are some pretty easy things Ukraine can do to increase its manpower (lower conscription age). Russia has basically used all its levers.
It's also similar in that both are heavily pushed narratives. There are active propaganda campaigns from both sides pushing these at all times.
One of the biggest pro-Ukranian youtubers and major donor of drones to Ukranian army posted this on his twitter (translated by Google):
Not sure what prompted this post or what the tweet he was replying to says, but things seem much worse than what the maps show us (and they're not showing us anything good either). Does someone who speaks Ukranian/Russian have any further insight behind his pessimism. What seems to be the biggest issue according to him; lack of manpower? poor leadership?
On November 17 2025 03:38 2Pacalypse- wrote: One of the biggest pro-Ukranian youtubers and major donor of drones to Ukranian army posted this on his twitter (translated by Google):
Not sure what prompted this post or what the tweet he was replying to says, but things seem much worse than what the maps show us (and they're not showing us anything good either). Does someone who speaks Ukranian/Russian have any further insight behind his pessimism. What seems to be the biggest issue according to him; lack of manpower? poor leadership?
I couldn't find the original tweet, so part of the text is cut of. But running the rest through Google translate:
-military, exactly how the collapse of the front line in the Novopavlivske and Hulyaipil directions occurred.
In the Novopavlovsk direction, 3.14dars drove 10 km twice from the LBZ to our rear on equipment. They landed their troops in Novopavlivka.
Deep state wrote about this, and Serhiy Sternenko confirmed it.
According to my information, between 50 and 100 personnel were landed.
Just six months ago, 3.14dars couldn't even dream of such a thing. And now, it's starting to happen more and more often.
Various desperate commanders write from the direction every other day.
I want to write a lengthy post about the reasons for such breakthroughs in the Dnipropetrovsk region and
I'll just repeat what I've been repeating periodically for half a year, and regularly for 1.5 months.
TAKE THE KEROSENE FROM YOUR FIREFIGHTERS, FUCK.
That is, stop counterattacking wherever you need to and don't.
Get on the defensive at least SOMEWHERE. If we still can, of course.
And give people to the brigades! To the brigades, not to TikTokers.
I don't know if it's too late. I blame myself for writing about the harmfulness of scaling up assault forces at the expense of bleeding brigades only 1.5 months ago.
The scale of the mess only became well known to me then, unfortunately.
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I dunno why Google struggles so much with this language for some reason. It truly just ends up as barely readable nonsene.
If I'm to read between the lines, it seems to stem from what just happened near Novopavlivka, which is where Russia used fog to march incredibly far in a single day, with drones being pretty much out of commission in that weather. They even erected a pontoon bridge, and managed to use it several times to move vehicles over the river, something that has usually ended up pretty bad for Russia.
This is a direct result of the lack of resources Ukraine is facing. Their reliance on drones don't work out in every scenario, as we've seen here, and they need conventional weapons too. I think what the Tweet is saying is that we've now reached a critical point where the lack of resources makes stuff like this possible. It also seems to point out some kind of change in doctrine, although I have no idea what that is about.
Well, the defences around Hulaypili were rather sparse since there's nothing there (just empty fields and small settlements) and Ukraine is focusing their limited resources on holding more urban areas.
I'm actually surprised Russians didn't move in this direction earlier. At least they could show some more gains rather than breaking their teeth on Pokrovsk and other heavily fortified and defended positions.
Is he still a shining warrior of justice and a hero of nation in times of war? btw Nabu and Sapo (which were attacked by ze because of russian propaganda in july) released only a small percentage of documents
Is he still a shining warrior of justice and a hero of nation in times of war? btw Nabu and Sap (which were attacked by ze because of russian propaganda 2 months ago) released only a small percentage of documents
Is he still a shining warrior of justice and a hero of nation in times of war? btw Nabu and Sap (which were attacked by ze because of russian propaganda 2 months ago) released only a small percentage of documents
I mean, on one hand, you have a deeply flawed country with old corruption cultures inhabited from Russia, with a leader who is actively trying to combat it. On the other, you have Russia, who is deeply corrupt from top to bottom, with a leader who is actively participating in it.
Is he still a shining warrior of justice and a hero of nation in times of war? btw Nabu and Sapo (which were attacked by ze because of russian propaganda in july) released only a small percentage of documents
They knew the entire time how corrupt they are, why would it change anything now? NABU and SAPO are only leavers to get Ukrainian politicians to do what they want them to do, every single politican in Ukraine is corrupt or they wouldnt be in politics. Whenever a politician starts doing something the financers dont like NABU ramps up the pressure and they start doing like there told.
Not a single person have been arrested or sanctioned (ended up spending jail time) by NABU in the 10 years its existed
On November 15 2025 09:05 Excludos wrote: Did I prove bananas can't be brown with my wall of articles there?
You're providing nothing of value. People have been telling you stuff for pages now, and you still just blast articles after article with no real substance, without really saying anything or actually responding to anything.
I can not spoon-feed you any further. I have made my point, in detail. If you still don't get it, that's on you
so you think banana could be brown is relevant to my topic then? So Ukraine not having enough men, reasons about it, all the articles from FT etc aren't anything of value? That's a lot of value and very relevant, I asked how long can this go on.
This is the dumbest meta discussion ever. I'll take on the main argument: let's assume that Ukraine does have a manpower problem. What do you think that means? Are they going to concede more land to only hold the best defensive positions? Because I don't see that happening on the ground. Are they going to capitulate and sue for peace with large concessions? Because I don't see that happening either. So what is this about? "I'm right" points on the internet? Then we can just stop this line of arguing because it enlightens noone.
I meant what I said. How long do you think it can last?
Also not conceding land fast enough and losing their experienced platoons has been a major issue for Ukraine, so yes maybe you would have hoped they conceded land quicker. Pretty sure that's what the FT focused a fair bit on.
There's no argument I am starting. I am responding to people who can't accept there's millions Ukraine refugees, to the point even the defense sector is lacking in number, and trying to blame it on lack of equipments for poor mobilisation result
On November 15 2025 09:05 Excludos wrote: Did I prove bananas can't be brown with my wall of articles there?
You're providing nothing of value. People have been telling you stuff for pages now, and you still just blast articles after article with no real substance, without really saying anything or actually responding to anything.
I can not spoon-feed you any further. I have made my point, in detail. If you still don't get it, that's on you
so you think banana could be brown is relevant to my topic then? So Ukraine not having enough men, reasons about it, all the articles from FT etc aren't anything of value? That's a lot of value and very relevant, I asked how long can this go on.
This is the dumbest meta discussion ever. I'll take on the main argument: let's assume that Ukraine does have a manpower problem. What do you think that means? Are they going to concede more land to only hold the best defensive positions? Because I don't see that happening on the ground. Are they going to capitulate and sue for peace with large concessions? Because I don't see that happening either. So what is this about? "I'm right" points on the internet? Then we can just stop this line of arguing because it enlightens noone.
I meant what I said. How long do you think it can last?
Also not conceding land fast enough and losing their experienced platoons has been a major issue for Ukraine, so yes maybe you would have hoped they conceded land quicker. Pretty sure that's what the FT focused a fair bit on.
There's no argument I am starting. I am responding to people who can't accept there's millions Ukraine refugees, to the point even the defense sector is lacking in number, and trying to blame it on lack of equipments for poor mobilisation result
No one knows how long they can last because it depends on factors that change all the time. With current trends it should be years. With developments tomorrow it could be months or forever. For example, Russia is exspected to run an 8-10 trillion deficit this year. They are currently recruiting and spending 30k troops a month. If benefits go down and they can't recruit offensives would stop and Ukraine could hold basically forever. If they print money morale would plummet when hyperinflation wipes out all incentives for active soldiers.
No one knows but the fact that they are not giving up points to them still having some fight in them. Also from what I know they haven't asked Europe to start sending men back?
I mean, on one hand, you have a deeply flawed country with old corruption cultures inhabited from Russia, with a leader who is actively trying to combat it. On the other, you have Russia, who is deeply corrupt from top to bottom, with a leader who is actively participating in it.
Care to comment about that?
Sure The leader of ukraine is actually a person who built this corruption. He was the one talking bout russian spies in NABU and SAPO and tried to block their work. It's really strange to blame soviet union on corruption, the SU collapsed 34 years ago, what corruption heritage are you talking about? Ukraine has been a sovereign since 1991 and has been pro-western since 2014.
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