EPTRussia is exspected to run an 8-10 trillion deficit this year.
ahahaahahahah care to give a link to these numbers?)))
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Russo-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 876
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EEk1TwEEk
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ahahaahahahah care to give a link to these numbers?))) 10 trillion wow man | ||
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pmp10
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On November 17 2025 18:33 EEk1TwEEk wrote: Is that really your argument? We have a lot of people who went to jail during the war. Sure, both sides will jail pawns that lack (or lost) political protection. The argument is that it doesn't really matter too much. If corruption was crucial for the outcome of the war then the Russian military would have collapsed years ago. Instead, it's being brought up as a political tool to embarrass Ukraine and limit the aid it receives. Also serves as a fallback word for people who are too white and too Christian. | ||
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ETisME
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On November 17 2025 19:57 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: No one knows how long they can last because it depends on factors that change all the time. With current trends it should be years. With developments tomorrow it could be months or forever. For example, Russia is exspected to run an 8-10 trillion deficit this year. They are currently recruiting and spending 30k troops a month. If benefits go down and they can't recruit offensives would stop and Ukraine could hold basically forever. If they print money morale would plummet when hyperinflation wipes out all incentives for active soldiers. No one knows but the fact that they are not giving up points to them still having some fight in them. Also from what I know they haven't asked Europe to start sending men back? Imo it's more likely Ukraine will lose quickly once they lose just a few more highly experienced platoons. Majority of death wounded are new recruits according to many reports. Pokrovisk is again pulling out men too late and they will suffer casualties to break through/retreat now. Ukraine hasn't made it difficult to dodge draft, hence the huge amount of Ukrainians hidden away / emigrated to Europe, which many including me disagree about Regarding the economy and money, honestly yes that's the hope. But then you look at Argentina, or even China that's massive debt bubble, huge properties crisis and deflating economy, somehow it's still doing well enough. Hard to say how and when economy would collapse, but front line is easier to read. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8246 Posts
On November 17 2025 20:18 EEk1TwEEk wrote: Sure The leader of ukraine is actually a person who built this corruption. He was the one talking bout russian spies in NABU and SAPO and tried to block their work. It's really strange to blame soviet union on corruption, the SU collapsed 34 years ago, what corruption heritage are you talking about? Ukraine has been a sovereign since 1991 and has been pro-western since 2014. "But Russia being one of the most corrupt countries on the planet is a-ok! It's only a problem when someone else is doing it. In fact Ukraine's corruption is so problematic that they deserve to be invaded in a war that is now totaling 1.2 million casualties, so they can finally be put under the even more corrupt umbrella of Russia once again!" Yes, Ukraine did become more pro western in 2014 (Can't imagine why. What else happened that year..?), but corruption on a deep level isn't rooted out in barely a decade. The reason we know that Zelenskyy isn't somehow the orchestrator of it, is that this is one of the genuine pressure points for Ukraine's EU membership (And being kept a close eye on. No one in EU is going to accept a high level of corruption for a new applicant), and he is doing his best to root it out while simultaneously fighting off an invasion from an army 5 times bigger than his. I understand we're not going to be seeing eye to eye on probably any topic in this tread. But the fact that you can't even admit that Russia is a contender for the most corrupt country on earth (Of which there is a literal mountain of undeniable evidence), while whining about corruption in Ukraine, a genuine heritage from the time they actually were part of Russia, is to me insane. Do you not understand your own hypocrisy? Do you not ever read your own words that you type? | ||
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EEk1TwEEk
Russian Federation192 Posts
On November 17 2025 21:47 Excludos wrote: "But Russia being one of the most corrupt countries on the planet is a-ok! It's only a problem when someone else is doing it. In fact Ukraine's corruption is so problematic that they deserve to be invaded in a war that is now totaling 1.2 million casualties, so they can finally be put under the even more corrupt umbrella of Russia once again!" Yes, Ukraine did become more pro western in 2014 (Can't imagine why. What else happened that year..?), but corruption on a deep level isn't rooted out in barely a decade. The reason we know that Zelenskyy isn't somehow the orchestrator of it, is that this is one of the genuine pressure points for Ukraine's EU membership (And being kept close on eye. No one in EU is going to accept a high level of corruption for a new applicant), and he is doing his best to root it out while simultaneously fighting off an invasion from an army 5 times bigger than his. I understand we're not going to be seeing eye to eye on probably any topic in this tread. But the fact that you can't even admit that Russia is a contender for the most corrupt country on earth (Of which there is a literal mountain of undeniable evidence), while whining about corruption in Ukraine, a genuine heritage from the time they actually were part of Russia, is to me insane. Do you not understand your own hypocrisy? Do you not ever read your own words that you type? How can you say that Ze is not an orchestrator of corruption if everyone caught red-handed are from his actor's troop "95th quarter"? Ze initiated a process against NABU and SAPO in July this year, calling them russian spies. Ze refused to hold elections, so he is not a legitimate president of the country. And don't talk that corruption was a reason for a war - The reason of special military operation has nothing to do with corruption - for years we said that Ukraine cannot join NATO - this was always a red line for Putin. NATO expanded year after year since 1991. Then Kamala and Blinken said that - yeah - let them join NATO. Thus the invesion started. Ze had a peace deal in front of him - the "Minsk agreement" in 2022, but he still chose to carry on fighting. Does Russia have corruption, sure it does, who doesn't? Talking about corruption I am 100% sure, that all the western leaders were giving plenty of money to Ukraine without counting, because the percentage went straight in their pockets - Trump was the first person to say "we need a peace deal", while the EU is constantly fueling the war. And sometimes I see reports on the media, that Russia will invade other countries after Ukraine. Whether u like Putin or not (personally i dislike him because of corruption btw) - do you really think that he will invade NATO countries? Do you really think that he is an idiot? | ||
KwarK
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12422 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17707 Posts
On November 17 2025 20:20 EEk1TwEEk wrote: ahahaahahahah care to give a link to these numbers?))) 10 trillion wow man Russia's budget deficit hit 4.19 trillion rubles ($49.4 billion) by the end of August, already surpassing the government's annual target. Ivan Us, chief consultant of the Center for Foreign Policy Studies of the Kyiv-based National Institute for Strategic Studies, said that the deficit could reach 8 trillion rubles ($100 billion) even by the end of 2025 if the current trend continues. In comparison, Russia's draft budget for 2026 estimates this year's deficit at only 5.8 trillion rubles (over $70 billion). | ||
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KwarK
United States43799 Posts
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EEk1TwEEk
Russian Federation192 Posts
On November 17 2025 22:24 KwarK wrote: Europe has suggested loads of peace deals. When will Russia accept one. 1. They didn't suggest a single peace deal except for Minsk agreements in 2022, which they used to rearm Ukraine while our tanks were 100 km from Kyev 2. There were no elections held in Ukraine since Ze took power. Are you a troll or do you live in a sort of bubble? | ||
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Excludos
Norway8246 Posts
On November 17 2025 22:12 EEk1TwEEk wrote: How can you say that Ze is not an orchestrator of corruption if everyone caught red-handed are from his actor's troop "95th quarter"? Ze initiated a process against NABU and SAPO in July this year, calling them russian spies. Ze refused to hold elections, so he is not a legitimate president of the country. And don't talk that corruption was a reason for a war - The reason of special military operation has nothing to do with corruption - for years we said that Ukraine cannot join NATO - this was always a red line for Putin. NATO expanded year after year since 1991. Then Kamala and Blinken said that - yeah - let them join NATO. Thus the invesion started. Ze had a peace deal in front of him - the "Minsk agreement" in 2022, but he still chose to carry on fighting. Does Russia have corruption, sure it does, who doesn't? Talking about corruption I am 100% sure, that all the western leaders were giving plenty of money to Ukraine without counting, because the percentage went straight in their pockets - Trump was the first person to say "we need a peace deal", while the EU is constantly fueling the war. And sometimes I see reports on the media, that Russia will invade other countries after Ukraine. Whether u like Putin or not (personally i dislike him because of corruption btw) - do you really think that he will invade NATO countries? Do you really think that he is an idiot? So the corruption of one country makes it acceptable for another equally or more corrupt country to invade them. Is that the argument you are going with here? | ||
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EEk1TwEEk
Russian Federation192 Posts
On November 17 2025 22:15 Nebuchad wrote: I'm confused as to what the long term plan is here. Do you think you're going to craft a post so good that suddenly we'll be fine with Russia invading Europe? Hand on heart - do you believe that Russia will invade EU after Ukraine? | ||
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EEk1TwEEk
Russian Federation192 Posts
On November 17 2025 22:28 Excludos wrote: So the corruption of one country makes it acceptable for another equally or more corrupt country to invade them. Is that the argument you are going with here? And don't talk that corruption was a reason for a war - The reason of special military operation has nothing to do with corruption - for years we said that Ukraine cannot join NATO - this was always a red line for Putin. NATO expanded year after year since 1991. Then Kamala and Blinken said that - yeah - let them join NATO. Thus the invesion started. read carefully before responding | ||
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Excludos
Norway8246 Posts
On November 17 2025 22:28 EEk1TwEEk wrote: 1. They didn't suggest a single peace deal except for Minsk agreements in 2022, which they used to rearm Ukraine while our tanks were 100 km from Kyev 2. There were no elections held in Ukraine since Ze took power. Are you a troll or do you live in a sort of bubble? Here's a peace deal which have been suggested numerous times: Russia goes home. They have zero right to hold any of Ukraine's land to begin with. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12422 Posts
On November 17 2025 22:29 EEk1TwEEk wrote: Hand on heart - do you believe that Russia will invade EU after Ukraine? Of course yeah. | ||
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KwarK
United States43799 Posts
On November 17 2025 22:28 EEk1TwEEk wrote: 1. They didn't suggest a single peace deal except for Minsk agreements in 2022, which they used to rearm Ukraine while our tanks were 100 km from Kyev 2. There were no elections held in Ukraine since Ze took power. Are you a troll or do you live in a sort of bubble? They’ve suggested that Russia stop fighting loads of times. Ukraine has held elections. They’ve held all the elections the law allows. Why has Russia not held elections? | ||
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Excludos
Norway8246 Posts
On November 17 2025 22:30 EEk1TwEEk wrote: The reason of special military operation... Got to love that after soon to be 4 years of war, you still aren't capable of admitting that 1. This is an invasion. 2. This is a war. I don't see any reason to entertain any of your nonsense if you can't even accept universal basic truths. For me, you are currently on the same level as flat earthers | ||
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KwarK
United States43799 Posts
What leads you to think Russia might engage in poorly planned military adventurism? | ||
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Excludos
Norway8246 Posts
On November 17 2025 22:28 EEk1TwEEk wrote: 2. There were no elections held in Ukraine since Ze took power. Oh gee I wonder why. Here's an idea: Go home! So that Ukraine's elections can resume | ||
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EEk1TwEEk
Russian Federation192 Posts
Have you ever heard of the war between Ukraine and Lugansk, Donetsk and Donbass region, populated by ethnical russians since 2014 to 2022? Google "alley of angels" And to the guy from Switzerland suggesting that Russia wants a WW3 - I am really lost for words, dude. | ||
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