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Nebuchad
Switzerland12422 Posts
On November 17 2025 22:40 EEk1TwEEk wrote: And to the guy from Switzerland suggesting that Russia wants a WW3 - I am really lost for words, dude. That makes sense to me, if I had to find words to explain why Putin won't go to war I would have trouble finding them as well. | ||
KwarK
United States43799 Posts
On November 17 2025 22:40 EEk1TwEEk wrote: Ok not talking to KwarK - he's a troll. Oh sure, call me a troll because you can’t deal with the overwhelming force of the excellent arguments I’m making. Typical cowardly Russian. But it doesn’t change the fact that Putin hasn’t held enough elections. | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1445 Posts
On November 17 2025 22:40 EEk1TwEEk wrote: Ok not talking to KwarK - he's a troll. Have you ever heard of the war between Ukraine and Lugansk, Donetsk and Donbass region, populated by ethnical russians since 2014 to 2022? Google "alley of angels" Google "proxy war" lol. It's both hilarious and disheartening to see someone so hopelessly trapped inside a misinformation bubble. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8246 Posts
On November 17 2025 22:40 EEk1TwEEk wrote: Ok not talking to KwarK - he's a troll. Have you ever heard of the war between Ukraine and Lugansk, Donetsk and Donbass region, populated by ethnical russians since 2014 to 2022? Google "alley of angels" And to the guy from Switzerland suggesting that Russia wants a WW3 - I am really lost for words, dude. If everyone you talk to is a troll, maybe a mirror would be of some benefit to you? | ||
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zeo
Serbia6336 Posts
On November 17 2025 22:15 KwarK wrote: Zelenskyy has held elections. Why hasn’t Putin held an election this year? Citation needed. On November 17 2025 22:40 EEk1TwEEk wrote: Ok not talking to KwarK - he's a troll. Have you ever heard of the war between Ukraine and Lugansk, Donetsk and Donbass region, populated by ethnical russians since 2014 to 2022? Google "alley of angels" And to the guy from Switzerland suggesting that Russia wants a WW3 - I am really lost for words, dude. They are baiting you, if they are trolling don't respond. Kwark even said once 300.000 civilians died in Mariupol, and thats still not half as dumb as some posts over the last few pages. Facts and logic are like garlic to a vampire to these people, so use them (cite sources, they hate that the most) | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2746 Posts
On November 17 2025 20:20 EEk1TwEEk wrote: ahahaahahahah care to give a link to these numbers?))) 10 trillion wow man https://interfax.com/newsroom/top-stories/109275/ Budget deficit 2024 was 3,5 trillion. In August 2025 the deficit was 4,2 trillion. However Russia does a lot of end of year spending. August 2024 the budget was actually on a surplus before end of year spending brought it to -3,5 trillion. Russia themselves say its going to be about 5,7 trillion this year. But going by last year's trend it would be more like 7,7 trillion. In August I saw most estimates at about 6,9 or so. However oil prices have been low, refining capacity has been hit and oil has been heavily discounted due to sanctions, spending is up 20% and Russian numbers are hardly reliable. 10 trillion is likely wishful thinking but 8 is absolutely doable. And even if it were to come in at about 6 trillion that is still really bad. | ||
Simberto
Germany11787 Posts
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Billyboy
1603 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9288 Posts
Number of destroyed Bakhmuts in Belarus: 0 Checkmate, western pawns! | ||
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Yurie
12076 Posts
On November 18 2025 01:50 Sent. wrote: Number of destroyed Bakhmuts in Ukraine: 1 Number of destroyed Bakhmuts in Belarus: 0 Checkmate, western pawns! That would also be my argument. If you are a Russian puppet you don't get invaded. Can't see many other arguments for it, unless you want to be part of the 0.001% Oligarchs, could argue for them easily. | ||
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Billyboy
1603 Posts
There is even an argument for the Oligarchs, you wont be as rich, but your chances of falling out of a window or having a heart attack the same time as bullet wound go way way down. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5770 Posts
On November 17 2025 22:30 EEk1TwEEk wrote: And don't talk that corruption was a reason for a war - The reason of special military operation has nothing to do with corruption - for years we said that Ukraine cannot join NATO - this was always a red line for Putin. I have to say that for a fascist you're dumber than average. If Putin's motivation was Ukraine joining NATO, why did he reject a peace deal at the start of the war in which Ukraine agreed not to join NATO? Your claim that Ukraine joining NATO was always a red line for Putin is blatantly false. In early 2000's he was clearly not against eastern NATO expansion, including Ukraine. Putin even helped establish American military bases in Central Asia during the War in Afghanistan. How do you explain that? If Russia was afraid of NATO, why did it withdraw its troops from Kaliningrad and borders with Finland and the Baltics during the war in Ukraine? They even moved their air defenses from St Petersburg area to Ukraine. That's how threatened by NATO Russia felt. If NATO had any intentions to attack Russia, there had never been a better opportunity than 2022-2023. NATO has not once threatened Russia with military force, let alone with nuclear weapons, other than in retaliation. Russia, on the other hand, routinely threatens NATO with military force, and violates the airspace of NATO countries. It has also threatened NATO countries with unprovoked nuclear attacks countless times - be it Russia's propaganda mouthpieces, Russian politicians, or strategists. Sergey Karaganov argued that Russia should nuke all major cities in Poland to make a point. NATO has not moved its nuclear weapons closer to Russia in decades. Russia, on the other hand, deployed nuclear weapons in Kaliningrad and Belarus. Finally, let's not forget the fact that Russia is constantly attacking the West. From election interference, through cyber attacks, attacks on infrastructure, assassinations, to illegal migrants on the borders and misinformation campaigns. NATO expanded year after year since 1991. NATO never made promises not to expand east. Gorbachev said that himself on multiple occasions. Then Kamala and Blinken said that - yeah - let them join NATO. Thus the invesion started. As was already pointed out to you, Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. Before the invasion, Ukraine had no prospects of joining NATO. Its population was against it, there was no political consensus, it had neutrality enshrined in its constitution, and several NATO members opposed Ukraine's accession. All of that changed after Russia invaded. It's also ironic that you're not citing the official reason provided by Russia itself. NATO wasn't it. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11787 Posts
Putin even helped establish American military bases in Central Asia during the War in Afghanistan. How do you explain that? I mean, helping your enemy get involved in a war in the graveyard of empires sounds like a smart move to make. And Afghanistan didn't really turn out well for the US either, so if you are opposed to the US, helping them get into that kerfluffle sounds like a good idea no matter where you would generally stand on them having bases or whatever. | ||
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ETisME
12702 Posts
Both China and India are lowering Russia oil purchase. I wonder whether they will figure a way to buy "obviously non Russian oil". Been reading how China bypassing the US chip blockage, it's a pretty complex web of global operations. Oil should be much harder to do, but Russia oil being that cheap may be worth the risk. | ||
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Falling
Canada11471 Posts
Ze refused to hold elections, so he is not a legitimate president of the country. UK didn't hold elections all throughout WWII. Churchill never even led his party to victory in an election but stepped in when Chamberlain stepped down. Was Churchill the legitimate prime minister of war time UK? The resilience of a liberal democracy is seen in the transition into peace time. Does the centralization and unitary authority acquired as a necessity of conducting a war relapse or is it retained? But here's my bet. If Russia does not conquer Ukraine and the war ends, Ukraine will hold free and fair elections again- and I mean, real and proper elections, not 97% popularity 'elections' held by dictators. But Putin will never be removed electorally. He may be usurped or he may die on his throne, but there is no world in which Putin holds actual elections with a real opposition that doesn't fear being openly shot in the Red Square or pushed off a balcony. Putin Kuchma Putin Yushchenko Putin Yanukovych Putin Turchynov Putin Poroshenko Putin Zelensky Putin ... And so it goes. | ||
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KwarK
United States43799 Posts
Why is Putin not holding a 2025 presidential election? Without a 2025 election his legitimacy is destroyed. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8246 Posts
On November 18 2025 06:38 ETisME wrote: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/11/17/russian-oil-prices-sink-as-india-and-china-cut-purchases-ahead-of-us-sanctions-deadline-a91143 Both China and India are lowering Russia oil purchase. I wonder whether they will figure a way to buy "obviously non Russian oil". Been reading how China bypassing the US chip blockage, it's a pretty complex web of global operations. Oil should be much harder to do, but Russia oil being that cheap may be worth the risk. I don't think it's a very closed secret that everyone who is "not buying Russian oil" is really just buying it through middle men/countries. Even countries in Europe are doing this. However, as morally bankrupt as this is, it's actually still quite a lot better than them buying it directly. As the oil has to go through other countries, Russia is forced to lower the prices due to the cuts these other countries take. So it's still less profits for them Same with smuggling, obviously. Smugglers are doing more work, and especially more perilous work, to go through blockades. This costs money, which is taken from Russia's cut | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17707 Posts
On November 18 2025 07:17 Excludos wrote: I don't think it's a very closed secret that everyone who is "not buying Russian oil" is really just buying it through middle men/countries. Even countries in Europe are doing this. However, as morally bankrupt as this is, it's actually still quite a lot better than them buying it directly. As the oil has to go through other countries, Russia is forced to lower the prices due to the cuts these other countries take. So it's still less profits for them Same with smuggling, obviously. Smugglers are doing more work, and especially more perilous work, to go through blockades. This costs money, which is taken from Russia's cut Buying through middle-men is not always an option though. You run the risk of getting hit by secondary sanctions and there's enough oil being produced worldwide that you can always find alternatives. They might not be as cheap as Russian oil at this point but they come with no additional dangers or hoops. That's why there are now supposedly ~390million barrels of Russian oil stuck on tankers around the world who can't find a place to offload this cargo. So they're running a lot of tankers (each costing ~100k USD/day to operate) that are unable to provide a profit. Edit: And I'm not sure why we're even entertaining Russian pundits with all the discussion about the elections. Anyone living in a free, democratic country knows you can't really hold elections during war time (technically you can but it would be a logistical nightmare and changing your entire government mid-war is not very smart) so no one in the West is actually holding it against Zelensky. It's only the Russians and their sympathizers that are pushing this narrative. If Zelensky doesn't hold elections after the war is over then it becomes a problem, but during war time there's no issue with there being no elections. | ||
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KwarK
United States43799 Posts
That’s why the correct response is to demand why Putin isn’t holding a 2025 Presidential election. It puts the Rusbot in the position of explaining that there isn’t an election scheduled per the Russian constitution. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17707 Posts
On November 18 2025 10:40 KwarK wrote: Manit0u you’re still erroneously accepting the completely false premise of the Rusbots. You’re defending a choice by Zelenskyy not to hold elections. That might be completely defensible choice but it’s not what is happening. Zelenskyy hasn’t suspended elections. Zelenskyy is not constitutionally permitted to hold elections at this time. Elections are proceeding per the legally mandated schedule. The next election will happen when the constitutionally defined schedule permits it to happen, with or without Zelenskyy. He’s not holding them and he’s not not holding them, he’s not involved, there isn’t one scheduled. That’s why the correct response is to demand why Putin isn’t holding a 2025 Presidential election. It puts the Rusbot in the position of explaining that there isn’t an election scheduled per the Russian constitution. I have worded it wrongly  I know how democratic elections work but I assumed that the only way to speak to Rusbots is to use a narrative they might understand. In hindsight it was a wrong choice. Lowering to their level of standards should not be the thing to do. | ||
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