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Manit0u
Poland17707 Posts
On November 11 2025 08:35 ETisME wrote: Shame it's yet another thing Europe is falling behind and left is protesting against Palantir etc for using AI and data in war. AI in war is super scary. Personally I hope that someone invents a good drone counter-measure finally (EMP maybe?) so this becomes a non-issue. | ||
Simberto
Germany11787 Posts
On November 11 2025 14:07 Manit0u wrote: AI in war is super scary. Personally I hope that someone invents a good drone counter-measure finally (EMP maybe?) so this becomes a non-issue. Exactly. One of the few blocks to absolute horror is that you still have to convince humans to actually do that horrific thing. It is not a hard block, but a lot of humans prefer not doing war crimes. (Yes, i know that you can convince humans to do war crimes, i am German, but my point is that you have to actually do that first) AI doesn't give a fuck. If you tell your AI drones to kill every brown-haired person in a country, they will just do that. Also, AI makes it a lot easier for few people to control many. Currently, you still need to convince a lot of people to do the controlling first. In a world that is moving quickly towards trillionaires, that is a very scary proposition. But another question is if you can actually prevent it. History has shown time and time again that it is very hard to prevent new technologies in warfare by law or accord. If something is effective, you can't really get countries to not use it. | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1445 Posts
On November 11 2025 04:14 Manit0u wrote: Yeah, and do those tiktokers stay in Ukraine and fight there for many years as squad leaders and get awarded medals? And the landmark case was the one where Russia accused him and 2 other soldiers of acts of terrorism for fighting along the Ukrainians and sentenced them to death, violating the Geneva convention and European Court of Human Rights accords (at the time Russia was a part of this court but they withdrew after that). And it wasn't in Kiev, he won this case while being a Russian prisoner. I expect zeo to get facts wrong, but this is poor even for zeo. | ||
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ETisME
12702 Posts
On November 11 2025 15:02 Simberto wrote: Exactly. One of the few blocks to absolute horror is that you still have to convince humans to actually do that horrific thing. It is not a hard block, but a lot of humans prefer not doing war crimes. (Yes, i know that you can convince humans to do war crimes, i am German, but my point is that you have to actually do that first) AI doesn't give a fuck. If you tell your AI drones to kill every brown-haired person in a country, they will just do that. Also, AI makes it a lot easier for few people to control many. Currently, you still need to convince a lot of people to do the controlling first. In a world that is moving quickly towards trillionaires, that is a very scary proposition. But another question is if you can actually prevent it. History has shown time and time again that it is very hard to prevent new technologies in warfare by law or accord. If something is effective, you can't really get countries to not use it. Definitely can't. China essentially runs on a mindset that most problems can be solved by technological solutions. The problem created by these technologies are going to be solved by another improvement to the technology. That's why it spends so much on r&d, new labs and incentives to get top foreign researchers etc. What's scary is just how fast everything will begin from here on. Slow moving nations like most EU countries will simply fall behinf quicker | ||
hexhaven
Finland963 Posts
On November 11 2025 04:22 Manit0u wrote: I don't think Russia can ever admit defeat. That would probably be the end of Putin and his grandiose dreams of restoring USSR. As to the win condition it's kinda debatable. Capturing all of Donetsk and Luhansk would be like a minimum viable thing for Russia to withdraw and say they actually managed to accomplish something (pyrrhic victory). The only actual win condition for Russia is to erase Ukraine entirely and exterminate all of its people. They had their chance of capturing Ukraine when they attacked and Ukraine was disorganized and almost fell. Now that the fighting has been going so long I don't think they can achieve it. Just capturing Ukraine won't be enough because they've been fighting for so long that there's plenty of hardened veterans and a lot of resentment there and Russia can't really afford to have an uprising so they can't leave anyone that would be capable of doing that. Even if Donetsk and Luhansk are captured, Russia has to decide how to deal with the other two annexed oblasts. They've been purposefully vague (and sometimes contradictory) about their goals and objectives in official communications, so there's a real chance that they'll start pushing for peace if the above two oblasts are fully taken over. They can then claim their objectives have been met, and that the operation is finished. I do agree that there's no world where Russia says that it's been defeated, even if it completely withdraws from Donbas. Maybe if there's a huge shift in the power structure (i.e. Putin is gone), the new leadership will use some conciliatory diplomatic language. There's been some speculation that there's a power struggle going on, but likely on the lower rungs, if it's indeed happening at all. And Russia still has to deal with winding down its war economy, and trying to integrate thousands and thousands of soldiers back into civilian life. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8246 Posts
On November 10 2025 23:27 EEk1TwEEk wrote: Do you think that Ukraine can win this war? Do you think that 100% of money sent and money spent goes to ukranian army? Why are you fueling the war more and more, this is your money btw, money of people who pay taxes in EU. Do you consider a situation where Ursula and her friends have some benefits from sending your money to support a losing war of a corrupt state with a clown being a president? In order: Yes. No, because 100% of the money sent and money spent isn't earmarked for the Ukranian army. No, I do not blieve the money sent is being embezzled, which is what you're insinuating. I'm "fueling the war" because we are literally talking about the existence of a country. These people are defending themselves from an attack on their sovereign country. The person who is actually fueling this war, and could end it today, is Putin. What you're arguing is that people shouldn't stand up to the bully because that would somehow lead to more fighting. I do not believe you don't understand this, and instead choose to believe you are not arguing in good faith. And yes, this IS my money. This is what I'm choosing to spend it on. That is a small amount to pay for freedom. I do not believe this is enough, which is why I'm also choosing to support Ukraine in other ways I am less allowed to talk about on the internet. | ||
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hexhaven
Finland963 Posts
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aseq
Netherlands3996 Posts
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Jankisa
Croatia1310 Posts
I always found it fascinating that these folks from countries that objectively suck, I mean, Russia decriminalized domestic violence, you can't mention that gay people exist without being fined, at any point as a young and middle aged man you can get sent to be blown up and join a pile of tens of thousands already dead in Pokrovsk. And speaking of corruption, I mean, come on, EU is not perfect, neither is Ukraine, but compared to what is happening in Russia this is child play, of course, Russia is a much poorer country so the magnitude of the stealing might be smaller because they don't have the money to play with that we do, and these guys might live in a heavily censored environment, but I encourage you my Eekitweek buddy, google Magnitsky, internalize where you live before you start calling other countries corrupt and their leaders clowns. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8246 Posts
On November 11 2025 23:02 Jankisa wrote: Maybe he should try to go to a public forum in Russia, or a telegram channel and try to call his own country's leadership corrupt and clowns and see how that goes for him. I always found it fascinating that these folks from countries that objectively suck, I mean, Russia decriminalized domestic violence, you can't mention that gay people exist without being fined, at any point as a young and middle aged man you can get sent to be blown up and join a pile of tens of thousands already dead in Pokrovsk. And speaking of corruption, I mean, come on, EU is not perfect, neither is Ukraine, but compared to what is happening in Russia this is child play, of course, Russia is a much poorer country so the magnitude of the stealing might be smaller because they don't have the money to play with that we do, and these guys might live in a heavily censored environment, but I encourage you my Eekitweek buddy, google Magnitsky, internalize where you live before you start calling other countries corrupt and their leaders clowns. It's the eternal invalid and incredibly lazy argument of "both sides". As if a thief is the same as a mass murderer, because both could be considered under the umbrella term "criminal". When you have no actual defensible arguments left, this is always what they fall back onto. "Yes, of course Russia is valid in murdering hundreds of thousands innocent people, because the top leadership in that country have issues with corruption. So they deserve to have their entire country taken from them." | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17707 Posts
On November 11 2025 23:02 Jankisa wrote: Russia is a much poorer country so the magnitude of the stealing might be smaller because they don't have the money to play with that we do The magnitude of theft and corruption in Russia is beyond comprehension for any Western country. There's extortion at every level and bribery is pretty much the official way to do bureaucracy. It is especially visible in the army. Generals having gigantic private villas, young conscripts being threatened with execution unless they sign a permanent contract that will make them ineligible for demobilization after the special operation then they're being sent to the front and their officers are taking chunks out of their pay for themselves (they also get killed if they try to speak about it). I suspect that such high casualties among the Russians are not just because of incompetence but also corruption. Officers sending troops to die en-masse, pronounce them MIA (not KIA) and take their full pay for themselves until they're officially pronounced dead. No issue there as they get wave after wave of newly coerced recruits to throw into the meat grinder and get rich on their suffering. After reading reports like that any normal country would be in an uproar, demanding heads to roll and full investigation/purge/reform of the military. It's someone's sons being bullied and dying horrifically while being robbed by the institution that should take care of them. Sadly, Russia is not a normal country, it's a state of mind, a very disturbed mind at that. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1310 Posts
Unfortunately, this mentality, albeit to a smaller scale and definitely repressed by the wartime mentality of defending your homeland exists in Ukraine as well, some of the richest people in my country today are basically war profiteers, and we were fighting for our existence as well, so this cuts both ways. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17707 Posts
On November 12 2025 04:26 Jankisa wrote: Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to downplay Russian corruption at all, I think it's a very big contributor to how well Ukraine is doing, compared to what could have been if Russians weren't of this mentality. Unfortunately, this mentality, albeit to a smaller scale and definitely repressed by the wartime mentality of defending your homeland exists in Ukraine as well, some of the richest people in my country today are basically war profiteers, and we were fighting for our existence as well, so this cuts both ways. Yeah, there's still plenty of corruption in Ukraine as they didn't have enough time to get rid of the Soviet mentality left over. They were under Russia's boot for a very long time and weren't free of it until recently (not fully but at least mostly). It used to be the same in Poland. Plenty of people idolizing the "good old Soviet times", when you didn't have to think too much as the state did that for you. Thankfully Poland had a few decades to deal with that, unlike Ukraine. | ||
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ETisME
12702 Posts
Looks like the situation is bad enough for FT to report on Ukraine manpower issue and overall deteriorating front line. How long do we think the war can last? Another 6 months? A year? | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10870 Posts
What a revelation, you truely dug deep there. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1310 Posts
It's also funny because all of these folks come from countries where there is 0 chance that they'd read actual truth in their media because they live in extremely censored and suppressed information ecosystems. The war will last for as long as Ukrainians want to fight, from what I know about these people, and I work with them every day, that is a very long time. The more realistic ending is Russia coming to a realization that they can't win and settling for reduced goals, the 6 month timetable would be more fitting of that one. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17707 Posts
”The result is that the land forces are not expanding but are actually declining in numbers… The Ukrainian force density is already so low that there are parts of the front that are essentially only guarded by drones.” I'm pretty sure it's impossible to have fully staffed frontline that's 1.6k km long and neither Ukraine, nor Russia have it all covered. Also, the previous reports directly from Ukraine said they have enough men but not enough stuff to equip them all so it's rather an equipment problem than manpower problem. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6336 Posts
On November 12 2025 13:57 ETisME wrote: https://www.ft.com/content/ebdf1a09-6aeb-4176-ac63-9668e5cc3362 Looks like the situation is bad enough for FT to report on Ukraine manpower issue and overall deteriorating front line. How long do we think the war can last? Another 6 months? A year? They are just getting public opinion ready for the mobilization age to be lowered even further from 25 to 22. Weather the guys getting snatched off the street will do anything besides deserting at the first possible chance is besides the point. The trends are going exponential. On November 12 2025 22:13 Manit0u wrote: Also, this article is not only paid but kinda bullshit: I'm pretty sure it's impossible to have fully staffed frontline that's 1.6k km long and neither Ukraine, nor Russia have it all covered. Also, the previous reports directly from Ukraine said they have enough men but not enough stuff to equip them all so it's rather an equipment problem than manpower problem. Literally every single shred of news coming out of Ukraine over the last year points to the complete opposite but seeing your other posts over the last few pages Russophrenia got you hard man. Stay safe. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8246 Posts
On November 12 2025 22:13 Manit0u wrote: Also, this article is not only paid but kinda bullshit: I'm pretty sure it's impossible to have fully staffed frontline that's 1.6k km long and neither Ukraine, nor Russia have it all covered. Also, the previous reports directly from Ukraine said they have enough men but not enough stuff to equip them all so it's rather an equipment problem than manpower problem. Yeah, this has been very consistent from Ukraine. They don't have enough stuff to equip the men they do have fighting for them already. More men would not solve their current problem. | ||
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Ardias
Russian Federation618 Posts
On November 12 2025 22:13 Manit0u wrote: Also, this article is not only paid but kinda bullshit: I'm pretty sure it's impossible to have fully staffed frontline that's 1.6k km long and neither Ukraine, nor Russia have it all covered. Also, the previous reports directly from Ukraine said they have enough men but not enough stuff to equip them all so it's rather an equipment problem than manpower problem. https://kyivindependent.com/more-than-tomahawks-what-ukraines-military-says-it-actually-needs/ "Ukrainian military experts who spoke to the Kyiv Independent stressed that the Ukrainian military’s number one shortage is manpower." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/21/ukraine-faces-difficult-decisions-over-acute-shortage-of-frontline-troops “Manpower is the most vital need” Ukraine has at the moment" https://meduza.io/en/feature/2025/10/06/as-gaps-widen-along-the-front-ukraine-is-reportedly-struggling-to-hold-back-russia-s-advance "One of the biggest problems is the persistent shortage of manpower — and the resulting lack of infantry." https://www.iiss.org/online-analysis/military-balance/2025/02/combat-losses-and-manpower-challenges-underscore-the-importance-of-mass-in-ukraine/ "Nevertheless, the main challenge Ukraine currently faces is manpower, specifically with regards to management and allocation." https://kyivindependent.com/behind-ukraines-manpower-crisis-lies-a-bleak-new-battlefield-reality-for-infantry/ "But as of mid-2025, as Russia's full-scale war against Ukraine enters its fourth fall season, Ukraine's military is gripped by a deep manpower crisis, most acute in the ranks of its infantry." https://www.politico.eu/article/war-in-ukraine-draft-age-russia-vitali-klitschko/ “We have huge problems with soldiers — with human resources,” Klitschko told the Axel Springer Global Reporters Network" | ||
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