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Deleted User 137586
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Oleo
Netherlands279 Posts
On August 22 2022 20:34 Ghanburighan wrote: Remember when I said RU has an irrational hatred for Estonia? It's this kind of shit I'm talking about... It's the official lie regarding Dugin's daughter. https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1561677815187230720 Well its pretty likely that the whole thing is a false flag so they can blame Ukraine and escalate on Ukraine's Independence day. So if you figure out such an investigation within 2 days, where normal people take a few weeks/months for a proper investigation, because you know who to blame before it happened and are lying anyway, you might as well involve Estonia, for daring to stand up to the fascists. | ||
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r00ty
Germany1056 Posts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Republican_Army_(Russia) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/21/ex-russian-mp-claims-russian-partisans-responsible-for-moscow-car-bomb | ||
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Deleted User 137586
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P. S. The sob grabbed that Twitter handle before I could. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2603 Posts
That said, I would not take Russia's word for it. I think both the Russians and the Ukrainians know who did it, but it's in neither side's interest to reveal the truth. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21694 Posts
On August 23 2022 17:50 gobbledydook wrote: I don't see the sense for Ukraine. Killing some ideological guy will have no impact on the war or Russia's willingness to withdraw/negotiate.I would not be surprised if indeed the Ukrainians had a hand in it. That said, I would not take Russia's word for it. I think both the Russians and the Ukrainians know who did it, but it's in neither side's interest to reveal the truth. If your going to alert the FSB that you have saboteurs in the heart of Russia you make sure you get something valuable strategically like a high ranking General or logistics manager. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6931 Posts
On August 22 2022 20:34 Ghanburighan wrote: Remember when I said RU has an irrational hatred for Estonia? It's this kind of shit I'm talking about... It's the official lie regarding Dugin's daughter. https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1561677815187230720 They know all this one day later but couldn't catch her in time before fleeing to Estonia? Yeah that is totally plausible | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria818 Posts
On another note, it'll be interesting winter. I suspect Bulgaria, Germany and a few others to be most affected due to naivety to rely on Gazprom. Even worse, current interim government here (ruling until snap election in October) claims gas issue is so severe that it's inevitable to start negotiation with Gazprom. What a surprise from Kremlin puppets... Hopefully the EU tells our officials this can't be done. We only confirmed 1 LNG carrier instead of all 7. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5563 Posts
They also left the casket open during the funeral. She allegedly was blown up by a bomb and the remains supposedly burned in the car. Weird. ;-) | ||
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JimmiC
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Artesimo
Germany546 Posts
On August 24 2022 01:10 maybenexttime wrote: https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1561979997203697664?s=20&t=P3RaC-_XI9uXaOC68e0BgA They also left the casket open during the funeral. She allegedly was blown up by a bomb and the remains supposedly burned in the car. Weird. ;-) Cmon now, how hard is it to imagine they put some mask on her / used a wax figure or whatever. Open casket funerals are important to some people. Even regular people get that. A friend of mine died in a motorcycle accident, his face definitely did not make it through that in any salvageable fashion, judging by his helmet. Def not enough to put some makeup on. They still had an open casket funeral and unless you got close to the coffin, you totally got fooled by the mask/wax sculpt or whatever they had done. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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Ardias
Russian Federation610 Posts
On August 24 2022 01:10 maybenexttime wrote: https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1561979997203697664?s=20&t=P3RaC-_XI9uXaOC68e0BgA They also left the casket open during the funeral. She allegedly was blown up by a bomb and the remains supposedly burned in the car. Weird. ;-) My friend from university died in car accident. She didn't have her belt strapped while sitting on the rear seat, and since she was somewhat between front seats, when car crashed, she flew through the car and hit front window with her head and face. Brain injuries were the cause of death. Yet her face was perfectly fine at the funeral. There are people either in morgues or funeral agencies, who know how to do this, so relatives and friends could give proper farewell. | ||
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On August 24 2022 01:46 JimmiC wrote: It is odd that they seem to not even think through these obvious inconsistancies (lthey put in such low effort) and yet some people still belive them on other things they say. It is too a point where you would be better to start from the presumption that the opposite of what they say is true. The old soviet joke goes: of course they lie to us, they care enough about us to at least bother to lie. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5563 Posts
On August 24 2022 02:23 Ardias wrote: My friend from university died in car accident. She didn't have her belt strapped while sitting on the rear seat, and since she was somewhat between front seats, when car crashed, she flew through the car and hit front window with her head and face. Brain injuries were the cause of death. Yet her face was perfectly fine at the funeral. There are people either in morgues or funeral agencies, who know how to do this, so relatives and friends could give proper farewell. I probably would've agreed with you and Artesimo if it weren't for the fact that everything about this assassination looks suspicious. Dugin last minute decides to go in a different car. His daughter dies, blown up by a bomb. According to the death certificate, her body burns in the car but there are no signs of that at the funeral. The whole ceremony is organized very promptly. There are some bizarre speeches, including Dugin's. The responsibility for the attack is claimed by an organization no one has ever heard about. Their manifesto reads like something written by FSB - little substance but paints a giant target on the back of anyone opposed to the war. The case is solved by FSB is less than two days. It turns out that the perpetrator was a Ukrainian woman traveling through Russia with her daughter and a cat. She conveniently dropped her Azov (!) Battalion ID, which has little to do with any special operations (afaik) but has been a central bogeyman in Russia's anti-Ukrainian propaganda. The ID turns out to be fake. FSB also claims the woman changed her license plates a few times while in Russia but the footage they shared doesn't show that, only a few photos. | ||
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Ardias
Russian Federation610 Posts
https://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/trade_register.php In a year or two you may check your predictions (register is updated by the end of the year, I assume) | ||
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Ardias
Russian Federation610 Posts
On August 24 2022 06:30 maybenexttime wrote: I probably would've agreed with you and Artesimo if it weren't for the fact that everything about this assassination looks suspicious. Dugin last minute decides to go in a different car. His daughter dies, blown up by a bomb. According to the death certificate, her body burns in the car but there are no signs of that at the funeral. The whole ceremony is organized very promptly. There are some bizarre speeches, including Dugin's. The responsibility for the attack is claimed by an organization no one has ever heard about. Their manifesto reads like something written by FSB - little substance but paints a giant target on the back of anyone opposed to the war. The case is solved by FSB is less than two days. It turns out that the perpetrator was a Ukrainian woman traveling through Russia with her daughter and a cat. She conveniently dropped her Azov (!) Battalion ID, which has little to do with any special operations (afaik) but has been a central bogeyman in Russia's anti-Ukrainian propaganda. The ID turns out to be fake. FSB also claims the woman changed her license plates a few time while in Russia but the footage they shared doesn't show that, only a few photos. I agree that a lot about this explosion that seem fishy and will remain a mystery for years to come. I just want to note two things: 1) If you doubt that Daria herself is dead - I think that this is 99,99% true (I'll leave 0,01% for something grossly unexpected). She was at a big gathering, met a lot of people there, including some popular bloggers and journalists, they saw her leaving, the gathering itself was not far from Moscow and she was driving through the area where there is always a lot of traffic, so I'm sure it was her behind the wheel. A lot of people, who personally knew her, are now outraged by this act (know that cause some of them are those popular journalists and bloggers), so I think they are also sure that she is dead. 2) The info about this "National Republican Army" and them being related to Dugina's death was also given by the member of Russian opposition, Ilya Ponomarev, who fled to US back in 2014, then to Ukraine and was shitting on Kremlin from there ever since. Poroshenko gave him UA citizenship on a last day of his presidency. He is also declared wanted by Russian law enforcement and had a few criminal lawsuits issued on him. Even though he was a deputy of Russian State Duma (lower parliament) before 2014, I doubt that he is an FSB mole. Source: https://republic.ru/posts/104889 | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Artesimo
Germany546 Posts
On August 24 2022 06:30 maybenexttime wrote: I probably would've agreed with you and Artesimo if it weren't for the fact that everything about this assassination looks suspicious. Dugin last minute decides to go in a different car. His daughter dies, blown up by a bomb. According to the death certificate, her body burns in the car but there are no signs of that at the funeral. The whole ceremony is organized very promptly. There are some bizarre speeches, including Dugin's. The responsibility for the attack is claimed by an organization no one has ever heard about. Their manifesto reads like something written by FSB - little substance but paints a giant target on the back of anyone opposed to the war. The case is solved by FSB is less than two days. It turns out that the perpetrator was a Ukrainian woman traveling through Russia with her daughter and a cat. She conveniently dropped her Azov (!) Battalion ID, which has little to do with any special operations (afaik) but has been a central bogeyman in Russia's anti-Ukrainian propaganda. The ID turns out to be fake. FSB also claims the woman changed her license plates a few times while in Russia but the footage they shared doesn't show that, only a few photos. Sure there are a lot of fishy things about the explosion, but I am not sure what you suggest here. Maybe I misunderstood and all you got hung up on was 'oh they claimed she was burned, but look, her corpse seems fine'. I read it as a very vage suggestion that she isn't really dead / there is more to it, which seemed weird to me, given that there are far better explanations - like the wax figure/mask I mentioned. I have had the misfortune to listen to a lot of whacky theories regarding this event IRL, that all were guilty of the thing that all conspiracy theories tend to be guilty of: choosing an elaborated and wild explanation that does not hold up to any scrutiny over any of the far more grounded and likely alternatives. If you just wanted to highlight the discrepancy between the report of her being burned, and her corpse seeming fine, then I apologize for my assumption and blame my recent IRL interactions for it. | ||
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