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On September 02 2025 19:36 KT_Elwood wrote: Again: Who gives a crap about experts and opinions?
Are you on your way to Gaza and stop the genocide currently, because you waited on the jury to decide?
Well in the future when people will argue that there was no way to know what was going on and that's why they didn't oppose it, it's going to be important.
Of course you've already made it clear that you think ethnic cleansing is the best solution a while back so for you it matters less.
On September 02 2025 19:36 KT_Elwood wrote: Again: Who gives a crap about experts and opinions?
Are you on your way to Gaza and stop the genocide currently, because you waited on the jury to decide?
Well in the future when people will argue that there was no way to know what was going on and that's why they didn't oppose it, it's going to be important.
Why do you assume that people that don't care about it now will later?
On September 02 2025 19:36 KT_Elwood wrote: Again: Who gives a crap about experts and opinions?
Are you on your way to Gaza and stop the genocide currently, because you waited on the jury to decide?
Well in the future when people will argue that there was no way to know what was going on and that's why they didn't oppose it, it's going to be important.
Why do you assume that people that don't care about it now will later?
It just tends to go this way with these sorts of things. One day it turns out that people were always against it.
On September 03 2025 00:53 KT_Elwood wrote: Oh no, I bet the people visiting Gaza-A-Lago will have a bad time if they stumble about the footnote in the wiki article.
It's not very likely that there's going to be a Gaza-A-Lago.
On September 03 2025 00:53 KT_Elwood wrote: Oh no, I bet the people visiting Gaza-A-Lago will have a bad time if they stumble about the footnote in the wiki article.
It's not very likely that there's going to be a Gaza-A-Lago.
Why? At this stage it's the most realistic post-war plan presented. Unless Israeli elections change something Gaza will slowly head in that direction.
On September 03 2025 00:53 KT_Elwood wrote: Oh no, I bet the people visiting Gaza-A-Lago will have a bad time if they stumble about the footnote in the wiki article.
It's not very likely that there's going to be a Gaza-A-Lago.
Why? At this stage it's the most realistic post-war plan presented. Unless Israeli elections change something Gaza will slowly head in that direction.
Well the two people who push for it are Trump and Netanyahu and neither of them are truly invested, they don't care. Netanyahu just wants to kill more Palestinians, Trump is all over the place but generally when we're not talking about something that is a concern for Stephen Miller and the white nationalists it's a good bet that he's all talk and he won't do much of what he says, the man did bankrupt a bunch of casinos after all.
The most likely post-war plan when Netanyahu succeeds is just settlers getting Gaza, that's all.
I think some kind of attempt to make this Gaza-A-Lago will happen as a propaganda project like NEOM. The goal will be to demonstrate how the new leadership can address long-standing issues and propel us into the future. Most likely, it will end up as a couple of empty futuristic skyscrapers. In the decades after, settlers will, of course, try to build bigger cities to cement their gains. Can't kick them out if big companies have big offices in the area, and it becomes economically important to Israel.
Time for another face. I want people to see the real Palestinians. Their real lives and their real experiences. So many people have got the wrong idea and that needs to change.
On September 05 2025 16:25 Magic Powers wrote: Time for another face. I want people to see the real Palestinians. Their real lives and their real experiences. So many people have got the wrong idea and that needs to change.
Part of me thinks we should all have to see the ugliest parts too, but also, I know from police brutality videos that most people just get desensitized/become voyeurs to the horrors rather than get compelled to react like they were seeing their own family members in Palestinians.
I wonder... If every day, one TL posters' nuclear family member was switched with a random Palestinian, would that change anyone's urgency/strategy in stopping their/US elected officials from continuing to aid and abet Israel's ongoing genocide/ethnic cleansing of Palestinians?
I suspect the first dismembered child would be too many and there would immediately be a much more deliberate effort to at least stop our (ostensibly) democratically accountable governments from continuing their roles in the slaughtering of our friends'/acquaintances' families'.
It's not that I don't understand the psychology of compassion as we perceive people as further from us, it's that it still doesn't exonerate us for not doing better than we've been doing, myself included.
Let's all become Jesus Christ together at the same time forever and ever. I wish I was more engaged. Sadly, I can't be. I barely function as it is and I have a family to take care of that I can barely manage. I'm not going to outsource my empathy and actions for a people that, while definitely deserving, I'm not in immediate contact with. First world problems and all that. At least I'm not a dirty virtue signaler (not claiming you are). When I have my shit sorted out, then I'll see which other humans I can start helping, but before that: not.gonna happen.
On September 05 2025 17:51 Uldridge wrote: Let's all become Jesus Christ together at the same time forever and ever. I wish I was more engaged. Sadly, I can't be. I barely function as it is and I have a family to take care of that I can barely manage. I'm not going to outsource my empathy and actions for a people that, while definitely deserving, I'm not in immediate contact with. First world problems and all that. At least I'm not a dirty virtue signaler (not claiming you are). When I have my shit sorted out, then I'll see which other humans I can start helping, but before that: not.gonna happen.
We're not telling you or asking you to care or to do anything about it. We care, we inform, we act. Just leave it to us and don't worry about it. Go about your own life.
I haven't shown the more extreme side of starvation yet, but I think it's about time. This is an especially bad case due to celiac disease.
Something that I'd like to say is that, while this is a more severe case, many people who are considered generally healthy still have minor health issues that can become very severe under malnutrition. I myself experience mild to severe insomnia and other health problems unless I get various nutrients in much larger than average quantities. I could describe my symptoms in detail, but let me just keep it simple: insomnia is hell, you do not want to experience that. Just eating poorly - just the wrong types of food, like not getting enough protein or vitamins or minerals - can cause insomnia in people. Starvation is a hundred times worse.
The symptoms people experience from malnutrition are horrible. Insomnia, skin issues, hair loss, cramps, fatigue, cognitive issues, a deficient immune system, and the list goes on. Most of all: pain. Malnutrition causes pain. It's not just a feeling of hunger. Your arms hurt, your legs hurt, your feet hurt, everything hurts. You constantly wake up in pain. It's torture.
You can be perfectly healthy now, but starvation can easily turn you into a ball of pain within just a few weeks. Most people in the first world have no clue how this feels, because they practically never go hungry for longer than a day, if even that.
My point is this: we talk about deaths and destruction in Gaza. But this is only one part of the hell. Even the survivors are suffering. Gaza is hell right now, and it has to be stopped at all costs. People who don't understand this have no idea how bad things are.
On September 05 2025 17:51 Uldridge wrote: Let's all become Jesus Christ together at the same time forever and ever. I wish I was more engaged. Sadly, I can't be. I barely function as it is and I have a family to take care of that I can barely manage. I'm not going to outsource my empathy and actions for a people that, while definitely deserving, I'm not in immediate contact with. First world problems and all that. At least I'm not a dirty virtue signaler (not claiming you are). When I have my shit sorted out, then I'll see which other humans I can start helping, but before that: not.gonna happen.
The Jesus bit is a little much. Though I do find myself wondering WWJD lol.
I'm confident this sort of mentality (not that I'm immune to it) is how things like the Holocaust can happen. "Never Again" is supposed to remind us not to have that mentality, because of the unimaginable horrors that follow it.
I guess this is "just another war crime". Just another isolated incident, like all the other thousands of incidents before. No collective punishment, no intent to create a massacre. Justified by "human shields".
On August 27 2025 06:46 Jankisa wrote: So apparently the official line of reasoning for the attack at the hospital that killed 20 including healthcare workers and journalists was that it was a "Hamas camera" .
Cool.
I love how silent this thread is, from pages and pages of explaining how logical Israel's moves are and how they have no choice but to "defend themselves" to complete silence in the continued refusal to negotiate, listen to their own public, continued onslaught and terror bombing, because that's what double tapping a FUCKING HOSPITAL is.
On August 27 2025 06:46 Jankisa wrote: So apparently the official line of reasoning for the attack at the hospital that killed 20 including healthcare workers and journalists was that it was a "Hamas camera" .
Cool.
I love how silent this thread is, from pages and pages of explaining how logical Israel's moves are and how they have no choice but to "defend themselves" to complete silence in the continued refusal to negotiate, listen to their own public, continued onslaught and terror bombing, because that's what double tapping a FUCKING HOSPITAL is.
Fucking shameful.
Add that to the list. I doubt it'll change minds (it's just a war crime and war is bad, that's all it is, there's no reason to call it anything worse than that), but it's good to have the receipts.
I still stand by my initial observation. I’ve exchanged e-mails with scholars who were cited in earlier posts, but their reasoning hasn’t convinced me otherwise.
The reason I stopped posting here is the tone: too much cynicism and self-righteousness, too little real engagement. I like exploring ideas, but I have better sources for neutral discussion.
For example:
We’re now in the 22nd month since the UN warned of “alarming levels of hunger,” yet mass starvation hasn’t materialized, despite constant reports of famine being imminent. Meanwhile, Hamas stockpiles food, and Palestinians are punished for trying to access it.
There’s little acknowledgement of fabricated or retracted data (MoH casualty figures being correcty by the thousands, which I pointed out months ago via impossible data sets).
Israel is accused of deliberately starving Gaza, yet enough food has entered.
Civilian-to-combatant casualty ratios are still comparable to other urban conflicts.
None of this excuses Israel’s actions: they have committed at least one major war crime (collective punishment via aid blockades), and individual soldiers have committed others (for example Palestinian civilians being forced to walk into potentially booby trapped Hamas tunnels). All should be held accountable. But I’ve seen no proof of an intent to destroy Palestinians “in whole or in part,” which is the definition of genocide.
I don’t enjoy being called a racist or being pushed into “defending Israel,” because I’m not pro-Israel. I simply dislike unfounded or illogical claims. When I raised issues like flawed data sets or the role of religious fundamentalism as the biggest obstacle to peace, no one really engaged. At this point, with work taking priority, I’d rather spend my limited time elsewhere. Those are the main reasons for my “silence”.
"We’re now in the 22nd month since the UN warned of “alarming levels of hunger,” yet mass starvation hasn’t materialized, despite constant reports of famine being imminent."
That was precisely the point of the alarm. So that it wouldn't happen. And now it's happening anyway. People weren't wrong for sounding the alarm, they were right. They tried to prevent it. The fact that the famine was delayed is not proof to the contrary. It's not proof that famine was never a real threat. This is a massive flaw in your reasoning.
On August 27 2025 06:46 Jankisa wrote: So apparently the official line of reasoning for the attack at the hospital that killed 20 including healthcare workers and journalists was that it was a "Hamas camera" .
Cool.
I love how silent this thread is, from pages and pages of explaining how logical Israel's moves are and how they have no choice but to "defend themselves" to complete silence in the continued refusal to negotiate, listen to their own public, continued onslaught and terror bombing, because that's what double tapping a FUCKING HOSPITAL is.
On August 27 2025 06:46 Jankisa wrote: So apparently the official line of reasoning for the attack at the hospital that killed 20 including healthcare workers and journalists was that it was a "Hamas camera" .
Cool.
I love how silent this thread is, from pages and pages of explaining how logical Israel's moves are and how they have no choice but to "defend themselves" to complete silence in the continued refusal to negotiate, listen to their own public, continued onslaught and terror bombing, because that's what double tapping a FUCKING HOSPITAL is.
Fucking shameful.
Add that to the list. I doubt it'll change minds (it's just a war crime and war is bad, that's all it is, there's no reason to call it anything worse than that), but it's good to have the receipts.
I still stand by my initial observation. I’ve exchanged e-mails with scholars who were cited in earlier posts, but their reasoning hasn’t convinced me otherwise.
Oh, there's a big surprise. That's an incredib... I think I'm going to have a heart attack and die from that surprise.
On September 06 2025 15:50 Magic Powers wrote: "We’re now in the 22nd month since the UN warned of “alarming levels of hunger,” yet mass starvation hasn’t materialized, despite constant reports of famine being imminent."
That was precisely the point of the alarm. So that it wouldn't happen. And now it's happening anyway. People weren't wrong for sounding the alarm, they were right. They tried to prevent it. The fact that the famine was delayed is not proof to the contrary. It's not proof that famine was never a real threat. This is a massive flaw in your reasoning.
Or the UN made wrong assessments. Potentially a mix of wrong assessments and what you said. Back in December 2023 the reports said that famine thresholds had already been exceeded and 335k children are at risk of preventable death. To avoid this, an immediate and long-lasting humanitarian ceasefire would be needed. Did this immediate and long-lasting ceasefire occur back then? Or what exactly changed in all these reports that prevented the looming threat from actually occurring? Haven't the aid deliveries at times even worsened in comparison to December 2023? Then why did these estimates never occur?
To be honest, I don't really care about this issue and I don't really want to defend Israel here, as the complete blockades are collective punishment which is utterly wrong. The whole humanitarian situation is absolutely dreadful and the sooner Hamas surrenders and/or releases the remaining hostages and Jewish bodies, the sooner this shitshow will be over.
I'd be more than happy to go talk in detail about religious fundamentalism and its effect on the region as I pointed out before. Or potential solutions for that matter.
On August 27 2025 06:46 Jankisa wrote: So apparently the official line of reasoning for the attack at the hospital that killed 20 including healthcare workers and journalists was that it was a "Hamas camera" .
Cool.
I love how silent this thread is, from pages and pages of explaining how logical Israel's moves are and how they have no choice but to "defend themselves" to complete silence in the continued refusal to negotiate, listen to their own public, continued onslaught and terror bombing, because that's what double tapping a FUCKING HOSPITAL is.
Fucking shameful.
On August 27 2025 15:15 Magic Powers wrote:
On August 27 2025 06:46 Jankisa wrote: So apparently the official line of reasoning for the attack at the hospital that killed 20 including healthcare workers and journalists was that it was a "Hamas camera" .
Cool.
I love how silent this thread is, from pages and pages of explaining how logical Israel's moves are and how they have no choice but to "defend themselves" to complete silence in the continued refusal to negotiate, listen to their own public, continued onslaught and terror bombing, because that's what double tapping a FUCKING HOSPITAL is.
Fucking shameful.
Add that to the list. I doubt it'll change minds (it's just a war crime and war is bad, that's all it is, there's no reason to call it anything worse than that), but it's good to have the receipts.
I still stand by my initial observation. I’ve exchanged e-mails with scholars who were cited in earlier posts, but their reasoning hasn’t convinced me otherwise.
Oh, there's a big surprise. That's an incredib... I think I'm going to have a heart attack and die from that surprise.
Redundancy at its finest... why litter the forum with such nonsense? Funny how you perfectly display the exact criticism from my post in regards to the forum culture around here. If you have an issue with my analysis, why not simply stay on topic instead of posting such superfluous jabs? We don't have to agree, but I don't see the value in such nonsensical comments.
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