EPTThere will be, of course, both civilians and fighters that are not counted or registered correctly, but even if the actual death rate were something like 70% civilians, this would be significantly worse compared to many other conflicts.
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Legan
Finland597 Posts
There will be, of course, both civilians and fighters that are not counted or registered correctly, but even if the actual death rate were something like 70% civilians, this would be significantly worse compared to many other conflicts. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On August 22 2025 16:37 Legan wrote: Revealed: Israeli military’s own data indicates civilian death rate of 83% in Gaza war There will be, of course, both civilians and fighters that are not counted or registered correctly, but even if the actual death rate were something like 70% civilians, this would be significantly worse compared to many other conflicts. I tend to take The Guardian articles with a huge grain of salt. Their left-wing bias concerns me a little less, but they've also published misinformation, and in combination that's not exactly good for their reputation. But I agree that even 70% civilians would be far too much. The human shield argument has long lost its effect on me. Completely. That's not because I condone the tactic of human shields, it's because Israel has been caught lying far too many times about what does or doesn't constitute a valid target. | ||
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T1Tony
15 Posts
On August 22 2025 17:11 Magic Powers wrote: I tend to take The Guardian articles with a huge grain of salt. Their left-wing bias concerns me a little less, but they've also published misinformation, and in combination that's not exactly good for their reputation. But I agree that even 70% civilians would be far too much. The human shield argument has long lost its effect on me. Completely. That's not because I condone the tactic of human shields, it's because Israel has been caught lying far too many times about what does or doesn't constitute a valid target. The credibility problem works both ways. Human rights groups like Amnesty or HRW often publish different numbers than governments, and the UN sometimes takes weeks to verify. When Israel cites human shields to justify very high civilian casualties, but independent sources find weak evidence, the argument collapses. It's not that people deny the tactic exists, it's that they've stopped trusting it as a blanket excuse | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12570 Posts
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Jankisa
Croatia1778 Posts
Anyone who's been watching this conflict closely since the beginning knows that the current "Hamas ran health ministry" figures are a huge under counts: In January 2025, a peer-reviewed analysis of deaths in the Gaza war between October 2023 and 30 June 2024 was published in The Lancet. The paper estimated 64,260 deaths from traumatic injury during this period, and likely exceeding 70,000 by October 2024, with 59.1% of them being women, children and the elderly. It concluded that the GHM undercounted trauma-related deaths by 41% in its report, and also noted that its findings "underestimate the full impact of the military operation in Gaza, as they do not account for non-trauma-related deaths resulting from health service disruption, food insecurity, and inadequate water and sanitation."[58] A comparable figure for May 2025 would be 93,000 (77,000 to 109,000), representing 4–5% of Gaza's pre-war population. I would not be shocked if by the end of this, given that Israel is conducting a bombing campaign and there is not a lot of people who can even report out of Gaza anymore that the figure turns out to be around 10 % of the population, so over 200.000. If 70 % of those are women and children we are at 140.000 innocents killed. Nothing that happened on October 7th can justify this. Absolutely nothing. Even if the number was half of that, it's still insane and Israel will forever be remembered as the country who did this, just like Germany was for Holocaust. And so will we, just as my country's fascist regime helped round up the Jews for the Nazis, they are voting against resolutions in the UN, the only solace i have is that at least they aren't US who is vetoing stuff, but it's horrifically depressing and fucked up. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On August 22 2025 22:02 Nebuchad wrote: The important aspect isn't really whether it's too many civilians as a percentage or not, the important aspect is that it's a very different percentage from the one they were presenting to the world as their estimate. The only reason why you would lie about how many civilians you're killing is because you want to continue killing them and you want people to feel less bad about it so they don't stop you. It speaks to intent. But, you know, it speaks to intent much like a dozen other things that spoke to intent before this did, so it's not really a bombshell either. This is their "defense plan" called "mowing the grass". While I'm not sure about the explicit intent of collective punishment, the outcome has been the targeting of civilian infrastructure and maximization of civilian casualties under the guise of preemptive strikes against militants. It's been heavily criticized for over a decade. The current offensive is no different in this regard, it's the same policy except on a much larger scale. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24387 Posts
A group of Senate Democrats on Wednesday urged U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio to press the government of Israel to protect journalists in Gaza and allow international media to access the war-torn territory. Their letter, which was led by Sen. Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii) and signed by 16 other Democratic senators, cited the recent deaths of Palestinian journalist Anas al-Sharif, who Israel claims is connected to Hamas, and five other reporters by an Israeli drone strike. More than 190 journalists have been killed since the start of Israel’s military offensive in Gaza ― the deadliest period for journalists since the Committee to Protect Journalists began tracking such data in 1992. “Israel has not provided convincing evidence for its claim that al-Sharif was a Hamas militant,” the senators wrote. “Absent a compelling explanation of the military objective for this attack, it appears Israel is publicly admitting to targeting and killing journalists who have shown the world the scale of suffering in Gaza, which would be a violation of international law.” www.huffpost.com | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
Classifying famine means that the most extreme category is triggered when three critical thresholds – extreme food deprivation, acute malnutrition and starvation-related deaths – have been breached. The latest analysis now affirms on the basis of reasonable evidence, that these criteria have been met. https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/famine-confirmed-first-time-gaza | ||
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Legan
Finland597 Posts
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Jankisa
Croatia1778 Posts
It's as simple as that, and the motherfucker did it, because she sucked Trump's dick at one point. This is the America of 2025. Denying life saving care to dying children based on a piece of shit human scum's rage over seeing people helping these children on Instagram. As I said earlier, the history will look at this in horror. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
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Jankisa
Croatia1778 Posts
Cool. I love how silent this thread is, from pages and pages of explaining how logical Israel's moves are and how they have no choice but to "defend themselves" to complete silence in the continued refusal to negotiate, listen to their own public, continued onslaught and terror bombing, because that's what double tapping a FUCKING HOSPITAL is. Fucking shameful. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On August 27 2025 06:46 Jankisa wrote: So apparently the official line of reasoning for the attack at the hospital that killed 20 including healthcare workers and journalists was that it was a "Hamas camera" . Cool. I love how silent this thread is, from pages and pages of explaining how logical Israel's moves are and how they have no choice but to "defend themselves" to complete silence in the continued refusal to negotiate, listen to their own public, continued onslaught and terror bombing, because that's what double tapping a FUCKING HOSPITAL is. Fucking shameful. Add that to the list. I doubt it'll change minds (it's just a war crime and war is bad, that's all it is, there's no reason to call it anything worse than that), but it's good to have the receipts. | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2895 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14211 Posts
On August 29 2025 06:00 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: Does anyone know why Israel is bombing Syria again? Its thursday. | ||
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pmp10
3400 Posts
On August 29 2025 06:00 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: Does anyone know why Israel is bombing Syria again? They never stopped bombing. Low key targets just didn't make western news coverage. As to why is obvious - they want the Islamist government gone or at least weakened. Even if it takes another civil war. | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2895 Posts
On August 29 2025 15:03 pmp10 wrote: They never stopped bombing. Low key targets just didn't make western news coverage. As to why is obvious - they want the Islamist government gone or at least weakened. Even if it takes another civil war. I watch Syrian news every day and it's been on and off. Last bombings were over the druze in Suweyda. Usually they have some kind of "reason". These ones were new and came with a very deep ground operation (army base 1 hour from Damascus) and there was a lot of confusion as to why they did it. Israel says it was to dismantle a Turkish spy base watching Israeli aircraft. But signs point to it actually being an Israeli spybase that just got detected. Of course Israel has no right to do it regardless of whom it belonged to but what can you do about completely rabid rouge states that doesn't give a fuck about any international law. Just go in and kill some of your neighbours soldiers because why not? | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1778 Posts
While I detest Erdogan at least they haven't been actively bombing Syria since Assad was toppled and it looks like they are more on the side trying to stabilize the country, likely because they are housing an insane amount of Syrian refugees who might go back over time. Of course, Israel is continuing to play it's imperialist games with no reaction from the outside. | ||
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Counc1l1
9 Posts
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cde3eyzdr63o Although only 28% of experts participated, 86% of the ones who did thought this is a genocide. I'm not sure why the participation was only 28%, but I don't see why we would think pro-Israel experts are any more likely to withhold their opinion than experts who are against Israel's current actions. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1201 Posts
Who gives a crap about experts and opinions? Are you on your way to Gaza and stop the genocide currently, because you waited on the jury to decide? | ||
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