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Legan
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#9401
Revealed: Israeli military’s own data indicates civilian death rate of 83% in Gaza war

There will be, of course, both civilians and fighters that are not counted or registered correctly, but even if the actual death rate were something like 70% civilians, this would be significantly worse compared to many other conflicts.
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On August 22 2025 16:37 Legan wrote:
Revealed: Israeli military’s own data indicates civilian death rate of 83% in Gaza war

There will be, of course, both civilians and fighters that are not counted or registered correctly, but even if the actual death rate were something like 70% civilians, this would be significantly worse compared to many other conflicts.


I tend to take The Guardian articles with a huge grain of salt. Their left-wing bias concerns me a little less, but they've also published misinformation, and in combination that's not exactly good for their reputation.

But I agree that even 70% civilians would be far too much. The human shield argument has long lost its effect on me. Completely. That's not because I condone the tactic of human shields, it's because Israel has been caught lying far too many times about what does or doesn't constitute a valid target.
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T1Tony
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On August 22 2025 17:11 Magic Powers wrote:
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On August 22 2025 16:37 Legan wrote:
Revealed: Israeli military’s own data indicates civilian death rate of 83% in Gaza war

There will be, of course, both civilians and fighters that are not counted or registered correctly, but even if the actual death rate were something like 70% civilians, this would be significantly worse compared to many other conflicts.


I tend to take The Guardian articles with a huge grain of salt. Their left-wing bias concerns me a little less, but they've also published misinformation, and in combination that's not exactly good for their reputation.

But I agree that even 70% civilians would be far too much. The human shield argument has long lost its effect on me. Completely. That's not because I condone the tactic of human shields, it's because Israel has been caught lying far too many times about what does or doesn't constitute a valid target.

The credibility problem works both ways. Human rights groups like Amnesty or HRW often publish different numbers than governments, and the UN sometimes takes weeks to verify. When Israel cites human shields to justify very high civilian casualties, but independent sources find weak evidence, the argument collapses. It's not that people deny the tactic exists, it's that they've stopped trusting it as a blanket excuse
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