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On March 01 2026 22:25 Jankisa wrote: So, it looks like Hamenei was killed in a very straight forward air strike on a meeting he held with some of his top advisors.
I, honestly, can't understand how were the people in charge of his security so bad at their jobs. Less then a year ago a bunch of them got picked off, they had the time to make sure everyone around him was loyal, and yet.
Don't get me wrong, good riddance, him being dead increases the chances of this ending sooner rather then later, he was a horrific piece of theocratic shit and I'm glad he's dead, but it boggles my mind how bad and obviously very compromised and penetrated Iranian security forces are, very similar to Venezuelan ones.
I would have though that when it was painfully obvious to everyone in the world that these strikes are coming that this guy wouldn't be meeting with anyone and would be stashed away into a super secret bunker somewhere in mountains, but nope, this moron and his to advisors were meeting in the middle of Teheran.
In any case, people suffering are, as always, civilians and US and Israel allies in the region, plus, of course, US and Israeli tax payers who are racking up quite a bill, here's hoping that whoever replaces Hamenei has a look that Trump likes so he can negotiate some sort of ceasefire as soon as possible.
I also did not understand but apparently he martyred himself.
Ali Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader for 37 years, appears to have chosen a different end: martyrdom.He carefully prepared for succession. He lined up replacements for officials he expected Israel and America to assassinate. He named a wartime commander, Ali Larijani, to run affairs in his absence. And he readied his followers for what was to come. In his final address on February 16th he invoked the defining tragedy of Shiism: the last battle of Hussein, the grandson of the Prophet Muhammad, against the Sunni caliph, Yazid, at Karbala. “No one like me will pledge allegiance to someone like Yazid,” he declared, quoting the seventh-century martyr. He brushed aside the advisers who begged him to leave for the hardened bunker they had prepared (with the help of a foreign ally) to resist overwhelming air power, say his clerics and Gulf intelligence reports.And then, as Israeli bombs rained down on his compound in downtown Tehran, he remained there with his family. “He decided to remain in his known compound fully aware of the operational risks. This was a personal and political decision,” reads a Gulf intelligence report. Iran watchers agree. “He orchestrated his death,” says Ali Alizadeh, a commentator close to Iranian hardliners. “He was afraid of dying an undignified death and wanted his death to attract rather than subtract from the war.”
White phosphorus is a chemical substance dispersed in artillery shells, bombs, and rockets that ignites when exposed to oxygen. It can set homes, agricultural areas, and other civilian objects on fire. Under international humanitarian law, the use of airburst white phosphorus is unlawfully indiscriminate in populated areas and does not meet the legal requirement to take all feasible precautions to avoid civilian harm.
Israel also induced a brutal acid rain when it hit oil storage sites in Iran near Tehran.
Here is what Iranians can now look forward to in the coming decades.
: Although the rain itself is much less acidic now, the damage to the soil and water remains. Many lakes in Southern Ontario are currently experiencing "aquatic osteoporosis" (severe calcium depletion) because the historic acid rain leached essential minerals out of the watershed.
The very mild version of Acid Rain in upstate New York and Southern Ontario from 1990 is gone. It is still having an impact 35 years later.
On March 01 2026 22:25 Jankisa wrote: So, it looks like Hamenei was killed in a very straight forward air strike on a meeting he held with some of his top advisors.
I, honestly, can't understand how were the people in charge of his security so bad at their jobs. Less then a year ago a bunch of them got picked off, they had the time to make sure everyone around him was loyal, and yet.
Don't get me wrong, good riddance, him being dead increases the chances of this ending sooner rather then later, he was a horrific piece of theocratic shit and I'm glad he's dead, but it boggles my mind how bad and obviously very compromised and penetrated Iranian security forces are, very similar to Venezuelan ones.
I would have though that when it was painfully obvious to everyone in the world that these strikes are coming that this guy wouldn't be meeting with anyone and would be stashed away into a super secret bunker somewhere in mountains, but nope, this moron and his to advisors were meeting in the middle of Teheran.
In any case, people suffering are, as always, civilians and US and Israel allies in the region, plus, of course, US and Israeli tax payers who are racking up quite a bill, here's hoping that whoever replaces Hamenei has a look that Trump likes so he can negotiate some sort of ceasefire as soon as possible.
I also did not understand but apparently he martyred himself.
Ali Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader for 37 years, appears to have chosen a different end: martyrdom.He carefully prepared for succession. He lined up replacements for officials he expected Israel and America to assassinate. He named a wartime commander, Ali Larijani, to run affairs in his absence. And he readied his followers for what was to come. In his final address on February 16th he invoked the defining tragedy of Shiism: the last battle of Hussein, the grandson of the Prophet Muhammad, against the Sunni caliph, Yazid, at Karbala. “No one like me will pledge allegiance to someone like Yazid,” he declared, quoting the seventh-century martyr. He brushed aside the advisers who begged him to leave for the hardened bunker they had prepared (with the help of a foreign ally) to resist overwhelming air power, say his clerics and Gulf intelligence reports.And then, as Israeli bombs rained down on his compound in downtown Tehran, he remained there with his family. “He decided to remain in his known compound fully aware of the operational risks. This was a personal and political decision,” reads a Gulf intelligence report. Iran watchers agree. “He orchestrated his death,” says Ali Alizadeh, a commentator close to Iranian hardliners. “He was afraid of dying an undignified death and wanted his death to attract rather than subtract from the war.”
ya i've kinda been saying the same thing in the USA Poli Thread. You'll know his death was not as Fox News reported it when the amazing crackerjack geniuses running the US intelligence service can never find his son and never kill him. Trump and Hegseth have said a few times the new leader will be dead soon. I know Trump is an extremely honest man, however somehow this time, I think he is lying. Look for the new leader to be in charge a long time despite Trump's threats to the contrary.
In Canada, terminally ill people over 85 years old battling cancer for years have the option to suicide themselves via MAID. When you've been running a country for 40+ years that revers martyrdom the path the supreme leader of Iran took makes sense. He can inspire a new generation of Iranians.
Jimmy does love to present his musings as some novel discovery in environs where people have made the same point prior, often years prior.
I don’t see how October 7th could potentially, remotely be a false flag kind of deal given its scope, given the information era we’re in and given Hamas took responsibility for it.
It ticks very few of the traditional false flag boxes. Namely small in scope, away from prying eyes and large amounts of witness, and with few links in the chain that may expose the plan for whatever reason.
How could this possibly be orchestrated in the smartphone and internet era with not a single member of the IDF or Israeli intelligence services going ‘hm, not really down with potentially thousands of my compatriots being killed here, I’m going to blow the lid on this’?
Even the Lavon Affair which does tick the boxes of suitability for such an operation got exposed.
I miss when conspiracy theories were vaguely plausible and not subject to collapse with very basic applications of logic
I absolutely think that Nethyanahu's security apparatus dropped the ball in ways that I can't explain, given their reputation and general competence.
Completely ignoring intelligence analysts form the Gaza listening posts for months saying something big is coming. Ignoring Egyptian intelligence warnings. Allowing a music festival to happen 5 km from the fence in these circumstances. IDF taking more then 3 hours to mount a proper response and rescue operations:
This is not a video from conspiracy theorists, this is a normal news report from Israeli TV. They basically had a full on manual they intercepted from Hamas detailing what they are going to do.
For the Kibbutz in question, it took from 7 AM til 2 PM for enough soldiers to arrive at it, again, it took them a few more hours before going in to the Kibbutz.
To me, this doesn't constitute evidence of anything other then gross incompetence and structural failures in how intelligence is assessed, as well as extremely severe underestimation of Hamas, which is, again, a failure on its own. Where it goes into a conspiratorial territory is the fact that no one has really answered for this and the investigations are muddled to say the very least.
I'm not too privy to Israeli politics but from what I read it's not really clear that a real investigation is taking place.
The security services investigated the failures but that's limited to their own role. The officers most responsible for the disaster have resigned or in Gallants case were fired. Netanyahu blocks a state commission of inquiry that would also look at everything else. There's no need to go into conspiracy territory to know why he blocks one.
Well, if someone blocks a state commission investigating them, states different reasons when real reasons seem plenty obvious, and is conspiring with others in the goverment who share their interest in making sure a real investigation is never conducted, that, to me, constitutes a conspiracy.
a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
So, they are saying something, but secretly have a different motivation, and the act of blocking such a thing is harmful to the state, I'd say that's a conspiracy.
On October 28 2023 05:30 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Basically the west is helping fund Israels ethnic cleansing programs.Egypt does not want the Palestinian refugees, many will likely end up in Europe.So EU countries pay Israel money to cleanse people they have radicalised and then pay to support them when they arrive in Europe.This seems to only benefit the zionists, certainly not Europe.
And as expected, Germany is set to accommodate up to 400,000 Palestinian refugees. So predictable.
Update on accountability in Israel for the soldiers accused of abusing and raping a Palestinian prisoner on camera. Charges were dropped. Quelle surprise
Israel’s military on Thursday said it was dropping charges against five soldiers accused of beating and sexually abusing a Palestinian detainee in an alleged assault partially caught on camera.
The decision, which came as much of the country’s attention was focused on the war with Iran, closed a flashpoint case that has bitterly divided Israel since the soldiers were arrested in 2024 at the notorious Sde Teiman military prison, prompting anger from members of the far-right government and hard-line ultranationalists who violently overran the prison in protest.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hailed the announcement, while human rights groups accused the military of ignoring one of the gravest instances of abuse in the country’s network of wartime prisons.
The now-dismissed indictment against the soldiers accused them of an assault that included dragging a Palestinian prisoner along the floor, stepping on him, tasering him, and sexually assaulting him by stabbing him in the rectum. The Palestinian was taken to an Israeli hospital with fractured ribs and a perforated rectum that required surgery before he was returned to the prison.
“Israel’s military advocate general just gave his soldiers license to rape -- so long as the victim is Palestinian,” said Sari Bashi, executive director of the Public Committee Against Torture in Israel, after the case was dismissed. She said the decision was “the latest in a long line of actions that whitewash abuses against detainees whose frequency and severity have worsened since Oct. 7, 2023.”
The allegations of abuse at the facility gained steam when, in August 2024, Israeli news broadcast a leaked video of the alleged assault.
On October 28 2023 05:30 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Basically the west is helping fund Israels ethnic cleansing programs.Egypt does not want the Palestinian refugees, many will likely end up in Europe.So EU countries pay Israel money to cleanse people they have radicalised and then pay to support them when they arrive in Europe.This seems to only benefit the zionists, certainly not Europe.
And as expected, Germany is set to accommodate up to 400,000 Palestinian refugees. So predictable.
On October 28 2023 05:30 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Basically the west is helping fund Israels ethnic cleansing programs.Egypt does not want the Palestinian refugees, many will likely end up in Europe.So EU countries pay Israel money to cleanse people they have radicalised and then pay to support them when they arrive in Europe.This seems to only benefit the zionists, certainly not Europe.
And as expected, Germany is set to accommodate up to 400,000 Palestinian refugees. So predictable.
Fake article bro. The real site is politco.eu and it's not there. And the fake website is already removed. Don't post obvious bullshit.
It’s not obvious to him and millions upon millions, hence their world view. They are just constantly slammed with bull shit, while being told that main stream media is lying to them. Until they are pliable enough to buy whatever sold. Whether it’s ideology, or snake oil.
On March 15 2026 02:39 GreenHorizons wrote: Update on accountability in Israel for the soldiers accused of abusing and raping a Palestinian prisoner on camera. Charges were dropped. Quelle surprise
Israel’s military on Thursday said it was dropping charges against five soldiers accused of beating and sexually abusing a Palestinian detainee in an alleged assault partially caught on camera.
The decision, which came as much of the country’s attention was focused on the war with Iran, closed a flashpoint case that has bitterly divided Israel since the soldiers were arrested in 2024 at the notorious Sde Teiman military prison, prompting anger from members of the far-right government and hard-line ultranationalists who violently overran the prison in protest.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hailed the announcement, while human rights groups accused the military of ignoring one of the gravest instances of abuse in the country’s network of wartime prisons.
The now-dismissed indictment against the soldiers accused them of an assault that included dragging a Palestinian prisoner along the floor, stepping on him, tasering him, and sexually assaulting him by stabbing him in the rectum. The Palestinian was taken to an Israeli hospital with fractured ribs and a perforated rectum that required surgery before he was returned to the prison.
“Israel’s military advocate general just gave his soldiers license to rape -- so long as the victim is Palestinian,” said Sari Bashi, executive director of the Public Committee Against Torture in Israel, after the case was dismissed. She said the decision was “the latest in a long line of actions that whitewash abuses against detainees whose frequency and severity have worsened since Oct. 7, 2023.”
The allegations of abuse at the facility gained steam when, in August 2024, Israeli news broadcast a leaked video of the alleged assault.
Also some damaging information on Israel's MAG: The video evidence had been altered to stitch together multiple days of footage. When disentangled, it shows separate incidents of violence, and no rape. The military advocate-general Tomer-Yerushalmi leaked the footage, pretended to investigate who it was that leaked, resigned, went missing (leading to a manhunt), and lost her phone (leading to a hunting expedition on the beaches). The prisoner-victim was released back into Gaza as part of the ceasefire agreement. Several other top officials in the MAG corps were suspended from service in the wake of the scandal. (ex. ToI
(I know some would deny the right to a fair trial given the war and the severity of the victim's injuries. I do not take this view.)
This miscarriage of justice does new and gross self-inflicted harm to Israel. The accused have been likely robbed of their right to a fair trial by prosecutorial abuse. It's unfair to the victims to not receive a trial that puts their alleged abusers to justice. The integrity of the justice system was not protected by those most responsible for it, just like the detention system was before it. So Israel gets all the costs of the abuse, and none of the resolution in a fair and just trial. This needs a restarted process and new indictments and some serious prosecutors and investigators.
On March 15 2026 02:39 GreenHorizons wrote: Update on accountability in Israel for the soldiers accused of abusing and raping a Palestinian prisoner on camera. Charges were dropped. Quelle surprise
Israel’s military on Thursday said it was dropping charges against five soldiers accused of beating and sexually abusing a Palestinian detainee in an alleged assault partially caught on camera.
The decision, which came as much of the country’s attention was focused on the war with Iran, closed a flashpoint case that has bitterly divided Israel since the soldiers were arrested in 2024 at the notorious Sde Teiman military prison, prompting anger from members of the far-right government and hard-line ultranationalists who violently overran the prison in protest.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hailed the announcement, while human rights groups accused the military of ignoring one of the gravest instances of abuse in the country’s network of wartime prisons.
The now-dismissed indictment against the soldiers accused them of an assault that included dragging a Palestinian prisoner along the floor, stepping on him, tasering him, and sexually assaulting him by stabbing him in the rectum. The Palestinian was taken to an Israeli hospital with fractured ribs and a perforated rectum that required surgery before he was returned to the prison.
“Israel’s military advocate general just gave his soldiers license to rape -- so long as the victim is Palestinian,” said Sari Bashi, executive director of the Public Committee Against Torture in Israel, after the case was dismissed. She said the decision was “the latest in a long line of actions that whitewash abuses against detainees whose frequency and severity have worsened since Oct. 7, 2023.”
The allegations of abuse at the facility gained steam when, in August 2024, Israeli news broadcast a leaked video of the alleged assault.
Also some damaging information on Israel's MAG: The video evidence had been altered to stitch together multiple days of footage. When disentangled, it shows separate incidents of violence, and no rape. The military advocate-general Tomer-Yerushalmi leaked the footage, pretended to investigate who it was that leaked, resigned, went missing (leading to a manhunt), and lost her phone (leading to a hunting expedition on the beaches). The prisoner-victim was released back into Gaza as part of the ceasefire agreement. Several other top officials in the MAG corps were suspended from service in the wake of the scandal. (ex. ToI
(I know some would deny the right to a fair trial given the war and the severity of the victim's injuries. I do not take this view.)
This miscarriage of justice does new and gross self-inflicted harm to Israel. The accused have been likely robbed of their right to a fair trial by prosecutorial abuse. It's unfair to the victims to not receive a trial that puts their alleged abusers to justice. The integrity of the justice system was not protected by those most responsible for it, just like the detention system was before it. So Israel gets all the costs of the abuse, and none of the resolution in a fair and just trial. This needs a restarted process and new indictments and some serious prosecutors and investigators.
But I mean we’re not going to see a restarted process are we?
I do agree that the right to a fair trial, especially if we’re not just talking leaks, but footage that was allegedly disingenuously edited could potentially be completely jeapordised. Which I mean yeah, don’t do that.
But was it ever going to be a fair trial? Rhetoric around it, including that from some of the most powerful individuals in the land rather does not inspire confidence there.
As I’m at pains to stress this ain’t a particularly atypical Israeli trait, we’ve plenty of our own issues in this domain.
On October 28 2023 05:30 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Basically the west is helping fund Israels ethnic cleansing programs.Egypt does not want the Palestinian refugees, many will likely end up in Europe.So EU countries pay Israel money to cleanse people they have radicalised and then pay to support them when they arrive in Europe.This seems to only benefit the zionists, certainly not Europe.
And as expected, Germany is set to accommodate up to 400,000 Palestinian refugees. So predictable.
Fake article bro. The real site is politco.eu and it's not there. And the fake website is already removed. Don't post obvious bullshit.
Even in the fake article the claim that was made wasn't what Nettles reported on the forum lol.
Plus it had a neat map that showed that all the Palestinians would go to East Germany, 50000+ per state, and absolutely zero in West Germany, which was an interesting choice to make on the part of the propagandist. I'm guessing there's some correlation with where far right voters are, you want to get them to think that the elites want to stack the evil muslim terrorists in their towns and keep the other towns "safe".
On March 15 2026 02:39 GreenHorizons wrote: Update on accountability in Israel for the soldiers accused of abusing and raping a Palestinian prisoner on camera. Charges were dropped. Quelle surprise
Israel’s military on Thursday said it was dropping charges against five soldiers accused of beating and sexually abusing a Palestinian detainee in an alleged assault partially caught on camera.
The decision, which came as much of the country’s attention was focused on the war with Iran, closed a flashpoint case that has bitterly divided Israel since the soldiers were arrested in 2024 at the notorious Sde Teiman military prison, prompting anger from members of the far-right government and hard-line ultranationalists who violently overran the prison in protest.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hailed the announcement, while human rights groups accused the military of ignoring one of the gravest instances of abuse in the country’s network of wartime prisons.
The now-dismissed indictment against the soldiers accused them of an assault that included dragging a Palestinian prisoner along the floor, stepping on him, tasering him, and sexually assaulting him by stabbing him in the rectum. The Palestinian was taken to an Israeli hospital with fractured ribs and a perforated rectum that required surgery before he was returned to the prison.
“Israel’s military advocate general just gave his soldiers license to rape -- so long as the victim is Palestinian,” said Sari Bashi, executive director of the Public Committee Against Torture in Israel, after the case was dismissed. She said the decision was “the latest in a long line of actions that whitewash abuses against detainees whose frequency and severity have worsened since Oct. 7, 2023.”
The allegations of abuse at the facility gained steam when, in August 2024, Israeli news broadcast a leaked video of the alleged assault.
Also some damaging information on Israel's MAG: The video evidence had been altered to stitch together multiple days of footage. When disentangled, it shows separate incidents of violence, and no rape. The military advocate-general Tomer-Yerushalmi leaked the footage, pretended to investigate who it was that leaked, resigned, went missing (leading to a manhunt), and lost her phone (leading to a hunting expedition on the beaches). The prisoner-victim was released back into Gaza as part of the ceasefire agreement. Several other top officials in the MAG corps were suspended from service in the wake of the scandal. (ex. ToI
(I know some would deny the right to a fair trial given the war and the severity of the victim's injuries. I do not take this view.)
This miscarriage of justice does new and gross self-inflicted harm to Israel. The accused have been likely robbed of their right to a fair trial by prosecutorial abuse. It's unfair to the victims to not receive a trial that puts their alleged abusers to justice. The integrity of the justice system was not protected by those most responsible for it, just like the detention system was before it. So Israel gets all the costs of the abuse, and none of the resolution in a fair and just trial. This needs a restarted process and new indictments and some serious prosecutors and investigators.
But I mean we’re not going to see a restarted process are we?
I don't have a crystal ball, and the process is very convoluted.
I do agree that the right to a fair trial, especially if we’re not just talking leaks, but footage that was allegedly disingenuously edited could potentially be completely jeapordised. Which I mean yeah, don’t do that.
But was it ever going to be a fair trial? Rhetoric around it, including that from some of the most powerful individuals in the land rather does not inspire confidence there.
As I’m at pains to stress this ain’t a particularly atypical Israeli trait, we’ve plenty of our own issues in this domain.
Step one is to not do insane acts of prosecutorial misconduct, which totally obviates the possibility of a fair trial. The most guilty party of that resigned, and many others are suspended pending investigation. There's plenty of steps in investigation, prosecution, trial, verdict, and sentences beyond that which also aren't guaranteed. But you have to get step one right.
On March 15 2026 02:39 GreenHorizons wrote: Update on accountability in Israel for the soldiers accused of abusing and raping a Palestinian prisoner on camera. Charges were dropped. Quelle surprise
Israel’s military on Thursday said it was dropping charges against five soldiers accused of beating and sexually abusing a Palestinian detainee in an alleged assault partially caught on camera.
The decision, which came as much of the country’s attention was focused on the war with Iran, closed a flashpoint case that has bitterly divided Israel since the soldiers were arrested in 2024 at the notorious Sde Teiman military prison, prompting anger from members of the far-right government and hard-line ultranationalists who violently overran the prison in protest.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hailed the announcement, while human rights groups accused the military of ignoring one of the gravest instances of abuse in the country’s network of wartime prisons.
The now-dismissed indictment against the soldiers accused them of an assault that included dragging a Palestinian prisoner along the floor, stepping on him, tasering him, and sexually assaulting him by stabbing him in the rectum. The Palestinian was taken to an Israeli hospital with fractured ribs and a perforated rectum that required surgery before he was returned to the prison.
“Israel’s military advocate general just gave his soldiers license to rape -- so long as the victim is Palestinian,” said Sari Bashi, executive director of the Public Committee Against Torture in Israel, after the case was dismissed. She said the decision was “the latest in a long line of actions that whitewash abuses against detainees whose frequency and severity have worsened since Oct. 7, 2023.”
The allegations of abuse at the facility gained steam when, in August 2024, Israeli news broadcast a leaked video of the alleged assault.
Also some damaging information on Israel's MAG: The video evidence had been altered to stitch together multiple days of footage. When disentangled, it shows separate incidents of violence, and no rape. The military advocate-general Tomer-Yerushalmi leaked the footage, pretended to investigate who it was that leaked, resigned, went missing (leading to a manhunt), and lost her phone (leading to a hunting expedition on the beaches). The prisoner-victim was released back into Gaza as part of the ceasefire agreement. Several other top officials in the MAG corps were suspended from service in the wake of the scandal. (ex. ToI
(I know some would deny the right to a fair trial given the war and the severity of the victim's injuries. I do not take this view.)
This miscarriage of justice does new and gross self-inflicted harm to Israel. The accused have been likely robbed of their right to a fair trial by prosecutorial abuse. It's unfair to the victims to not receive a trial that puts their alleged abusers to justice. The integrity of the justice system was not protected by those most responsible for it, just like the detention system was before it. So Israel gets all the costs of the abuse, and none of the resolution in a fair and just trial. This needs a restarted process and new indictments and some serious prosecutors and investigators.
But I mean we’re not going to see a restarted process are we?
I don't have a crystal ball, and the process is very convoluted.
I do agree that the right to a fair trial, especially if we’re not just talking leaks, but footage that was allegedly disingenuously edited could potentially be completely jeapordised. Which I mean yeah, don’t do that.
But was it ever going to be a fair trial? Rhetoric around it, including that from some of the most powerful individuals in the land rather does not inspire confidence there.
As I’m at pains to stress this ain’t a particularly atypical Israeli trait, we’ve plenty of our own issues in this domain.
Step one is to not do insane acts of prosecutorial misconduct, which totally obviates the possibility of a fair trial. The most guilty party of that resigned, and many others are suspended pending investigation. There's plenty of steps in investigation, prosecution, trial, verdict, and sentences beyond that which also aren't guaranteed. But you have to get step one right.
Does one need a crystal ball?
Israel is hardly notable in throwing the book at members of various of security apparatus if they step over the lines of what most consider acceptable. But, as I said this isn’t a particularly unique thing to the Israeli state.
I mean both things can be true, there can both be prosecutorial misconduct but also in the hypothetical absence of it the alleged perpetrators would probably skate regardless.
I mean there’s not really even a pretence of genuine accountability. Accusations = ‘blood libel’ and not say ‘we treat x with profound seriousness and trust our investigative processes’ or what have you
On March 15 2026 02:39 GreenHorizons wrote: Update on accountability in Israel for the soldiers accused of abusing and raping a Palestinian prisoner on camera. Charges were dropped. Quelle surprise
Israel’s military on Thursday said it was dropping charges against five soldiers accused of beating and sexually abusing a Palestinian detainee in an alleged assault partially caught on camera.
The decision, which came as much of the country’s attention was focused on the war with Iran, closed a flashpoint case that has bitterly divided Israel since the soldiers were arrested in 2024 at the notorious Sde Teiman military prison, prompting anger from members of the far-right government and hard-line ultranationalists who violently overran the prison in protest.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hailed the announcement, while human rights groups accused the military of ignoring one of the gravest instances of abuse in the country’s network of wartime prisons.
The now-dismissed indictment against the soldiers accused them of an assault that included dragging a Palestinian prisoner along the floor, stepping on him, tasering him, and sexually assaulting him by stabbing him in the rectum. The Palestinian was taken to an Israeli hospital with fractured ribs and a perforated rectum that required surgery before he was returned to the prison.
“Israel’s military advocate general just gave his soldiers license to rape -- so long as the victim is Palestinian,” said Sari Bashi, executive director of the Public Committee Against Torture in Israel, after the case was dismissed. She said the decision was “the latest in a long line of actions that whitewash abuses against detainees whose frequency and severity have worsened since Oct. 7, 2023.”
The allegations of abuse at the facility gained steam when, in August 2024, Israeli news broadcast a leaked video of the alleged assault.
Also some damaging information on Israel's MAG: The video evidence had been altered to stitch together multiple days of footage. When disentangled, it shows separate incidents of violence, and no rape. The military advocate-general Tomer-Yerushalmi leaked the footage, pretended to investigate who it was that leaked, resigned, went missing (leading to a manhunt), and lost her phone (leading to a hunting expedition on the beaches). The prisoner-victim was released back into Gaza as part of the ceasefire agreement. Several other top officials in the MAG corps were suspended from service in the wake of the scandal. (ex. ToI
(I know some would deny the right to a fair trial given the war and the severity of the victim's injuries. I do not take this view.)
This miscarriage of justice does new and gross self-inflicted harm to Israel. The accused have been likely robbed of their right to a fair trial by prosecutorial abuse. It's unfair to the victims to not receive a trial that puts their alleged abusers to justice. The integrity of the justice system was not protected by those most responsible for it, just like the detention system was before it. So Israel gets all the costs of the abuse, and none of the resolution in a fair and just trial. This needs a restarted process and new indictments and some serious prosecutors and investigators.
But I mean we’re not going to see a restarted process are we?
I don't have a crystal ball, and the process is very convoluted.
I do agree that the right to a fair trial, especially if we’re not just talking leaks, but footage that was allegedly disingenuously edited could potentially be completely jeapordised. Which I mean yeah, don’t do that.
But was it ever going to be a fair trial? Rhetoric around it, including that from some of the most powerful individuals in the land rather does not inspire confidence there.
As I’m at pains to stress this ain’t a particularly atypical Israeli trait, we’ve plenty of our own issues in this domain.
Step one is to not do insane acts of prosecutorial misconduct, which totally obviates the possibility of a fair trial. The most guilty party of that resigned, and many others are suspended pending investigation. There's plenty of steps in investigation, prosecution, trial, verdict, and sentences beyond that which also aren't guaranteed. But you have to get step one right.
Does one need a crystal ball?
Israel is hardly notable in throwing the book at members of various of security apparatus if they step over the lines of what most consider acceptable. But, as I said this isn’t a particularly unique thing to the Israeli state.
I mean both things can be true, there can both be prosecutorial misconduct but also in the hypothetical absence of it the alleged perpetrators would probably skate regardless.
I mean there’s not really even a pretence of genuine accountability. Accusations = ‘blood libel’ and not say ‘we treat x with profound seriousness and trust our investigative processes’ or what have you
You asked if we will see a restarted process, and I can't predict the future. If you have a working crystal ball, I'd ask it if Netanyahu is re-elected in the next 7 months. That's the guy that appoints the minister of defense, and through him/her the military advocate general that might file a new indictment. The totally unbelievable misconduct certainly makes this less likely, but you did ask if we would see a restarted process, and not whether fucking up the prosecution makes subsequent prosecutions less likely.
On March 15 2026 02:39 GreenHorizons wrote: Update on accountability in Israel for the soldiers accused of abusing and raping a Palestinian prisoner on camera. Charges were dropped. Quelle surprise
Israel’s military on Thursday said it was dropping charges against five soldiers accused of beating and sexually abusing a Palestinian detainee in an alleged assault partially caught on camera.
The decision, which came as much of the country’s attention was focused on the war with Iran, closed a flashpoint case that has bitterly divided Israel since the soldiers were arrested in 2024 at the notorious Sde Teiman military prison, prompting anger from members of the far-right government and hard-line ultranationalists who violently overran the prison in protest.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hailed the announcement, while human rights groups accused the military of ignoring one of the gravest instances of abuse in the country’s network of wartime prisons.
The now-dismissed indictment against the soldiers accused them of an assault that included dragging a Palestinian prisoner along the floor, stepping on him, tasering him, and sexually assaulting him by stabbing him in the rectum. The Palestinian was taken to an Israeli hospital with fractured ribs and a perforated rectum that required surgery before he was returned to the prison.
“Israel’s military advocate general just gave his soldiers license to rape -- so long as the victim is Palestinian,” said Sari Bashi, executive director of the Public Committee Against Torture in Israel, after the case was dismissed. She said the decision was “the latest in a long line of actions that whitewash abuses against detainees whose frequency and severity have worsened since Oct. 7, 2023.”
The allegations of abuse at the facility gained steam when, in August 2024, Israeli news broadcast a leaked video of the alleged assault.
Also some damaging information on Israel's MAG: The video evidence had been altered to stitch together multiple days of footage. When disentangled, it shows separate incidents of violence, and no rape. The military advocate-general Tomer-Yerushalmi leaked the footage, pretended to investigate who it was that leaked, resigned, went missing (leading to a manhunt), and lost her phone (leading to a hunting expedition on the beaches). The prisoner-victim was released back into Gaza as part of the ceasefire agreement. Several other top officials in the MAG corps were suspended from service in the wake of the scandal. (ex. ToI
(I know some would deny the right to a fair trial given the war and the severity of the victim's injuries. I do not take this view.)
This miscarriage of justice does new and gross self-inflicted harm to Israel. The accused have been likely robbed of their right to a fair trial by prosecutorial abuse. It's unfair to the victims to not receive a trial that puts their alleged abusers to justice. The integrity of the justice system was not protected by those most responsible for it, just like the detention system was before it. So Israel gets all the costs of the abuse, and none of the resolution in a fair and just trial. This needs a restarted process and new indictments and some serious prosecutors and investigators.
But I mean we’re not going to see a restarted process are we?
I don't have a crystal ball, and the process is very convoluted.
I do agree that the right to a fair trial, especially if we’re not just talking leaks, but footage that was allegedly disingenuously edited could potentially be completely jeapordised. Which I mean yeah, don’t do that.
But was it ever going to be a fair trial? Rhetoric around it, including that from some of the most powerful individuals in the land rather does not inspire confidence there.
As I’m at pains to stress this ain’t a particularly atypical Israeli trait, we’ve plenty of our own issues in this domain.
Step one is to not do insane acts of prosecutorial misconduct, which totally obviates the possibility of a fair trial. The most guilty party of that resigned, and many others are suspended pending investigation. There's plenty of steps in investigation, prosecution, trial, verdict, and sentences beyond that which also aren't guaranteed. But you have to get step one right.
Does one need a crystal ball?
Israel is hardly notable in throwing the book at members of various of security apparatus if they step over the lines of what most consider acceptable. But, as I said this isn’t a particularly unique thing to the Israeli state.
I mean both things can be true, there can both be prosecutorial misconduct but also in the hypothetical absence of it the alleged perpetrators would probably skate regardless.
I mean there’s not really even a pretence of genuine accountability. Accusations = ‘blood libel’ and not say ‘we treat x with profound seriousness and trust our investigative processes’ or what have you
You asked if we will see a restarted process, and I can't predict the future. If you have a working crystal ball, I'd ask it if Netanyahu is re-elected in the next 7 months. That's the guy that appoints the minister of defense, and through him/her the military advocate general that might file a new indictment. The totally unbelievable misconduct certainly makes this less likely, but you did ask if we would see a restarted process, and not whether fucking up the prosecution makes subsequent prosecutions less likely.
Which is my point. So long as Netanyahu et al are at the helm and shaping these structures you’re not gonna see successful prosecutions anyway, so prosecutorial overreach is basically moot anyway. If oversight is contingent on who’s in political power at a given time, it’s not really robust oversight
I’d imagine it’s not unlikely that this perception motivated the leaks in the first place.
On October 28 2023 05:30 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Basically the west is helping fund Israels ethnic cleansing programs.Egypt does not want the Palestinian refugees, many will likely end up in Europe.So EU countries pay Israel money to cleanse people they have radicalised and then pay to support them when they arrive in Europe.This seems to only benefit the zionists, certainly not Europe.
And as expected, Germany is set to accommodate up to 400,000 Palestinian refugees. So predictable.
Fake article bro. The real site is politco.eu and it's not there. And the fake website is already removed. Don't post obvious bullshit.
Even in the fake article the claim that was made wasn't what Nettles reported on the forum lol.
Plus it had a neat map that showed that all the Palestinians would go to East Germany, 50000+ per state, and absolutely zero in West Germany, which was an interesting choice to make on the part of the propagandist. I'm guessing there's some correlation with where far right voters are, you want to get them to think that the elites want to stack the evil muslim terrorists in their towns and keep the other towns "safe".
Very interesting.
Yeah, AfD stronghold is the economically way, way weaker East Germany which was part of the Soviet Block, after the reunification Germany's mostly been governed from and by the richer and more populous West German parts and there is a shitton of anger and resentment from the East to the West there.
It's obvious that AfD and their Russian and American allies are working hard on stoking this resentment, especially around the topic of immigration (despite East receiving disproportionately smaller amounts of refugees and migrants) so this article seemed to be a part of this effort.
German political situation is pretty bonkers, to me at least. You have these AfD clowns backed by Russia and Trump regime, you have Mertz who is an ex Blackrock employee saying that Iran can stop the war at any time and USA and Israel are "just defending themselves" and you have the far left who also somehow has ties to Russia, plus the greens who are still paying for the idiotic decision to push hard on de-nuclearisaton.
Of course, I'm completely over simplifying it but it's going to be a wild few years in German politics and whatever happens will most likely decide, along with next French elections the faith of EU.
On October 28 2023 05:30 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Basically the west is helping fund Israels ethnic cleansing programs.Egypt does not want the Palestinian refugees, many will likely end up in Europe.So EU countries pay Israel money to cleanse people they have radicalised and then pay to support them when they arrive in Europe.This seems to only benefit the zionists, certainly not Europe.
And as expected, Germany is set to accommodate up to 400,000 Palestinian refugees. So predictable.
Fake article bro. The real site is politco.eu and it's not there. And the fake website is already removed. Don't post obvious bullshit.
Even in the fake article the claim that was made wasn't what Nettles reported on the forum lol.
Plus it had a neat map that showed that all the Palestinians would go to East Germany, 50000+ per state, and absolutely zero in West Germany, which was an interesting choice to make on the part of the propagandist. I'm guessing there's some correlation with where far right voters are, you want to get them to think that the elites want to stack the evil muslim terrorists in their towns and keep the other towns "safe".
Very interesting.
Yeah, AfD stronghold is the economically way, way weaker East Germany which was part of the Soviet Block, after the reunification Germany's mostly been governed from and by the richer and more populous West German parts and there is a shitton of anger and resentment from the East to the West there.
It's obvious that AfD and their Russian and American allies are working hard on stoking this resentment, especially around the topic of immigration (despite East receiving disproportionately smaller amounts of refugees and migrants) so this article seemed to be a part of this effort.
German political situation is pretty bonkers, to me at least. You have these AfD clowns backed by Russia and Trump regime, you have Mertz who is an ex Blackrock employee saying that Iran can stop the war at any time and USA and Israel are "just defending themselves" and you have the far left who also somehow has ties to Russia, plus the greens who are still paying for the idiotic decision to push hard on de-nuclearisaton.
Of course, I'm completely over simplifying it but it's going to be a wild few years in German politics and whatever happens will most likely decide, along with next French elections the faith of EU.
Yes and no. Much like in the US, if the far right doesn't get elected this time they'll probably win the next one unless the non far right party changes their approach drastically (which they are unlikely to do). Simply put, you just can't operate in an environment that validates the far right's worldview and expect the far right to somehow never win an election, on that front our fate has most likely been sealed quite a while ago. The situation in France is more interesting than the situation in Germany though, as the real left is still doing surprisingly well given the political environment; but even there I wouldn't be too optimistic.
EPT
