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Sermokala
United States14211 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 06 2022 10:28 Sermokala wrote: As a conclusion to the conversation Novak was given an exception by the Australian open but the Australian government has canceled his visa and he will be forced to leave the country. Love it. This story has a great ending. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46506 Posts
No-Vacc is hopefully staying banned. He doesn't deserve special treatment. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8930 Posts
what i dont understand is why he wasnt offered the option of quarantining in a hotel for 2 weeks though. he's unvaccinated but that doesnt technically make him unable to enter the country. there were initial reports that he had applied for the wrong visa but i think that has since been debunked and he has the same visa as all the other participants, its just his vaccination status that has proved to be the problem. unvaccinated travelers are supposed to quarantine for 2 weeks so why is he being forced to leave? | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 06 2022 13:22 evilfatsh1t wrote: justice prevails! what i dont understand is why he wasnt offered the option of quarantining in a hotel for 2 weeks though. he's unvaccinated but that doesnt technically make him unable to enter the country. there were initial reports that he had applied for the wrong visa but i think that has since been debunked and he has the same visa as all the other participants, its just his vaccination status that has proved to be the problem. unvaccinated travelers are supposed to quarantine for 2 weeks so why is he being forced to leave? Australia has extremely tough rules on vax. A large part of this perspective is based on the fact that people should be getting vaxed if they can. Australia has decided it isn't a legitimate perspective to just not get vaxed for no reason. If they let some douchebag tennis player sidestep their rules, it would be a slap in the face to their citizens. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8930 Posts
On January 06 2022 13:33 Mohdoo wrote: Australia has extremely tough rules on vax. A large part of this perspective is based on the fact that people should be getting vaxed if they can. Australia has decided it isn't a legitimate perspective to just not get vaxed for no reason. If they let some douchebag tennis player sidestep their rules, it would be a slap in the face to their citizens. no... australia very specifically has rules for unvaccinated international arrivals; mandatory 2 week hotel quarantine. if djokovic received an exemption from this also, there would be a huge problem, however if he is told to do mandatory quarantine that would be in line with what every other person would have to do in a similar scenario. forcing him to return to his country (assuming he would prefer to quarantine) would be special treatment in the opposite direction. so far i havent seen an explanation for this but it just seems like the government are just as incompetent as they have been in recent times. they dunno wtf their own rules are and fail to apply them consistently | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 06 2022 13:42 evilfatsh1t wrote: no... australia very specifically has rules for unvaccinated international arrivals; mandatory 2 week hotel quarantine. if djokovic received an exemption from this also, there would be a huge problem, however if he is told to do mandatory quarantine that would be in line with what every other person would have to do in a similar scenario. forcing him to return to his country (assuming he would prefer to quarantine) would be special treatment in the opposite direction. so far i havent seen an explanation for this but it just seems like the government are just as incompetent as they have been in recent times. they dunno wtf their own rules are and fail to apply them consistently Thank you for correcting me. We don't know what went on behind the scenes. It is possible he declined any situation that involves quarantine. We don't know the specifics of the negotiation. We just know he got sent away. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4456 Posts
With Australia having over 50,000 new cases today It's time to relax the rules on inbound travellers anyway.Covid zero is over.He's already provided negative PCR tests that should be enough. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8930 Posts
On January 06 2022 14:33 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: He has launched legal proceedings trying to overturn the visa ruling (being heard today) but i would be shocked if he overturned it. With Australia having over 50,000 new cases today It's time to relax the rules on inbound travellers anyway.Covid zero is over.He's already provided negative PCR tests that should be enough. from the information that seems to be available at the moment, the decision should be overturned. if he has applied for the same visa as all the other participants, i dont see how theres any grounds for his visa to be cancelled. he could have a valid visa but still be refused entry because he is unvaccinated and does not wish to quarantine. however even if this were the case, it shouldnt make his visa any less valid. theyre completely separate issues and mutually exclusive of each other he could have arrived on a tourist visa and the same vaccination requirements would apply and he would fail them just the same. it still wouldnt justify revoking his tourist visa entirely. i expect his visa cancellation to be overturned but his best case scenario is still either enter 14 days quarantine or take a flight back to serbia. there would be an exception to the above and that would be if the visa itself was conditioned on the applicant being fully vaccinated. i dont know specifically which visa the participants have applied for but i dont know of any visa at the moment that carries such a condition so my current assumption is that this is not the case. i am genuinely confused by our international arrival policy though. not a single article mentions the fact that unvaccinated travellers are required to undertake 14 day mandatory quarantine, and our own prime minister is making statements like “People are welcome in Australia, but if they’re not double vaccinated and not an Australian resident, you can’t come". and yet our immigration departments for nsw/vic all show the same information that unvaccinated travellers are indeed able to enter the country as long as they enter quarantine. edit: upon further inspection it seems our federal government's immigration site says unvaccinated travellers cannot enter without a medical exemption, yet state government sites say unvaccinated travellers are able to enter without medical exemptions and are simply required to quarantine for 2 weeks. what a fucking circus this country is | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22658 Posts
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On January 06 2022 19:30 Gorsameth wrote: 2 weeks quarantine isn't an option anymore as the tournament starts in 11 days. Wii tennis for the first few rounds? | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-06/novak-djokovic-the-unlikely-hostage-in-petty-political-saga-/100741720 Timeline is: - Federal gov does the rules-are-rules dance for months - [some undisclosed process occurs] - Djoker announces he's been approved - The PM washes his hands of it, says it's a state decision and not his problem - The state minister defends the decision at a presser, jokes about whether djoker will win the tournament - Literally that afternoon the PM's immigration minister suddenly says it is the fed's problem, thank you very much - The feds approach the state asking it to support the application they have themselves just blown up. - The exact same state minister now says no, not interested, not my problem - The PM, having accepted it is now his problem after all, says rules are rules again now - All this while djoker is literally on the plane What the actual hell guys. We couldn't look more like idiots here if we tried. I don't particularly like Novak and I think exemptions for superstars are a really bad look, but there's no way this should have been left till the plane was in the air. Oh, didn't you think the publicly vaccine-skeptic defending champion was going to try to come to the freaking open? I didn't care about this at all at first, but the more I read the madder it makes me. Everyone involved in this saga is a moron. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
It's pathetic that you need a public controversy to get the rich and powerful to follow the same rules as the rest. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22658 Posts
But yes if he hadn't 'bragged' on twitter about getting an exemption prior to landing and just quietly flew into the country none of this would have happened. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4769 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8930 Posts
On January 06 2022 22:00 RKC wrote: Makes sense that state laws may be less restrictive than federal laws. Quarantine for unvaccinated residents already in the country moving between state lines, outright ban for any unvaccinated person trying to get into the country. thats not what the state immigration sites say. they specifically refer to unvaccinated international arrivals. not unvaccinated interstate travellers | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
Honestly, they've also been among the most willing to weigh the risks and costs of a particular restriction, especially in this new phase where the pollies are still clinging to random pieces of covid-zero while blowing up the rest. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the assessors looked at it, went "well we already had 20k cases yesterday, the added risk to the population from a single unvaccinated traveller is about the same as getting a haircut. He's worth a lot to the ticketholders so ok." Knocking him back is really a matter of fairness and signalling - ie. a political decision, not a medical one. I think it's the correct decision, but it's still political, and it still should have been sorted months ago. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
But the public protest back home in Serbia and his mom accusing Australia as holding him as a 'prisoner' in the detention hotel is just... too much. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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