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On August 19 2021 22:13 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2021 20:52 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 20:49 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2021 20:36 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 20:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 19 2021 18:44 Amumoman wrote:
Took the metrotrain for the first time in a long time here in Denmark. There was still a mask mandate in place but 9/10 didnt wear one. Warms my heart to see the hysteria on the retreate. What are the consequences for not abiding by a mask mandate? I assume that if it's not being enforced, then people aren't going to take the "mandate" seriously. Is it merely a recommendation? Not merely a recommendation; thats whats so beautiful. Most people have ignored the senseless recommendations all along but now most people ignore the most moronic of mandates and enforcement (of this mandate) seems largely abandonned/severely downprioritezed. As for possible consequences, they’re the same as any other “crime” ie execution for refusal to comply and adhere and denigrate your soul by worshipping the State (assuming you start defending yourself when the police attemps to do violence unto you) How on earth is wearing a mask on public transport a "senseless recommendation"? Didnt say it were; just as I didnt say it weren’t Yes, you did. You said it warmed your heart to see people not wearing masks despite the mandate, that it was beautiful. Then you added that now most people ignore the most moronic of mandates. The change in behaviour you brought up was not wearing masks on public transport, which heavily implies that this is the measure you had in mind. Don't pretend this is not what you've said. We're not dumb, mate.
Theres a difference between mandate and recommendation. There are a lot of recommendations (inc masks) i dont feel strongly about that would be abhorrent in mandate form
Edit: what i wrote warmed my heart was the hysteria decreasing
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Wouldn't wearing a mask inside a train be the most sensible approach ? I get not wearing a mask outside, but when you have a bunch of people around together in a wagon, masks surely are effective.
Anyway here in Paris, people are still wearing their masks in public transport/stations.
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On August 19 2021 22:15 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2021 21:14 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 20:54 Magic Powers wrote:On August 19 2021 20:50 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 20:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 19 2021 20:36 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 20:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 19 2021 18:44 Amumoman wrote:
Took the metrotrain for the first time in a long time here in Denmark. There was still a mask mandate in place but 9/10 didnt wear one. Warms my heart to see the hysteria on the retreate. What are the consequences for not abiding by a mask mandate? I assume that if it's not being enforced, then people aren't going to take the "mandate" seriously. Is it merely a recommendation? Not merely a recommendation; thats whats so beautiful. Most people have ignored the senseless recommendations all along but now most people ignore the most moronic of mandates and enforcement (of this mandate) seems largely abandonned/severely downprioritezed. As for possible consequences, they’re the same as any other “crime” ie execution for refusal to comply and adhere and denigrate your soul by worshipping the State (assuming you start defending yourself when the police attemps to do violence unto you) Why are the recommendations senseless, if they're supported by the medical and scientific communities? I don't live in Denmark, but according to Worldometer, your country isn't covid-free ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/denmark/ ). Wouldn't it make sense to at least wear masks a while longer, since your country hasn't reached the herd immunity benchmark yet? I didnt mean to imply all recommendations by those - who so hubristically unironiccaly refer to themselves as the authorities - have been senseless; but a lot of recommendations have been senseless/incoherent for sure. What I find disturbing and repugnant though is the encouragement of the inappropriate life-attitude of fear and unquestioning submission to ‘authorities’. Which of the recommendations do you consider senseless? Oh boy thats a long list but let me mention what I find most egregious and appalling. the recommendation that healthy people worry about getting sick and getting other healthy people sick. Nothing wrong with soberly encouraging people whose health is significantly compromised (obesity or what have you) to be be cautious and encouraging all to be cautious within reason not to infect them. But this fear-mongering and encouragement of hysteria and neurosis has led to people having an insanely warped sense of how at risk evidence suggests they are which in turn has led to a lot of people (particularly those prone to anxiousness) refraning from activities that promote human thriving: seeing friends/family, going to gym etc etc). To give you a sense of how absurd this got (and if you look at polls from around the western world this anecdote does not seem to be an outlier), I asked my two younger siblings some time ago how many people they thought had died from covid in denmark below the age of 60; they guessed 100 and 150 - at the time i asked the actual number was 3 of all whom confirmed to have compromised health Edit: spelling Do you have the same opinion on drunk driving?
You tell me if you find them similar.
I think encouraging people to worry disproportionally about, to be hysterical about, to be neurotic about drunk driving goes against whats optimal for human thriving.
I dont think there’s anything wrong with soberly and earnestlessly conveying information about how being under the influence of alchohol affects people’s ability to operate cars responsibly. Or talk about sensible ideas/measures within families/friend circles/communities/societies etc as to reduce drunk driving.
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On August 19 2021 22:28 Erasme wrote:
Wouldn't wearing a mask inside a train be the most sensible approach ? I get not wearing a mask outside, but when you have a bunch of people around together in a wagon, masks surely are effective.
Anyway here in Paris, people are still wearing their masks in public transport/stations.
Yes, of course.
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On August 19 2021 22:24 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2021 22:16 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 22:13 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2021 20:52 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 20:49 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2021 20:36 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 20:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 19 2021 18:44 Amumoman wrote:
Took the metrotrain for the first time in a long time here in Denmark. There was still a mask mandate in place but 9/10 didnt wear one. Warms my heart to see the hysteria on the retreate. What are the consequences for not abiding by a mask mandate? I assume that if it's not being enforced, then people aren't going to take the "mandate" seriously. Is it merely a recommendation? Not merely a recommendation; thats whats so beautiful. Most people have ignored the senseless recommendations all along but now most people ignore the most moronic of mandates and enforcement (of this mandate) seems largely abandonned/severely downprioritezed. As for possible consequences, they’re the same as any other “crime” ie execution for refusal to comply and adhere and denigrate your soul by worshipping the State (assuming you start defending yourself when the police attemps to do violence unto you) How on earth is wearing a mask on public transport a "senseless recommendation"? Didnt say it were; just as I didnt say it weren’t Yes, you did. You said it warmed your heart to see people not wearing masks despite the mandate, that it was beautiful. Then you added that now most people ignore the most moronic of mandates. The change in behaviour you brought up was not wearing masks on public transport, which heavily implies that this is the measure you had in mind. Don't pretend this is not what you've said. We're not dumb, mate. Theres a difference between mandate and recommendation. There are a lot of recommendations (inc masks) i dont feel strongly about that would be abhorrent in mandate form Edit: what i wrote warmed my heart was the hysteria decreasing Then explain fully what you mean with "hysteria decreasing". It is basically a click baity title, now you to explain who was hysterical and why they were being hysterical.
Sure i dont mind explaining since you ask so politely.
Irregardless of masks being a sensible recommendation or not (i have no strong opinion about that), people disregarding the mandate is a sign that people are less fearful, less hysterical which i believe to be a good thing
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On August 19 2021 21:42 Geisterkarle wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2021 18:44 Amumoman wrote:
Took the metrotrain for the first time in a long time here in Denmark. There was still a mask mandate in place but 9/10 didnt wear one. Warms my heart to see the hysteria on the retreate. Aside from masks and stuff, I'm always smiling if I read people taking a train! And I mean an amusing "welcome to the club" smile! I think 2020 from around mid March to a little bit of May I admit, I took the car to get to work (no, I had no homeoffice). But after that, "back to normal" and taking the train every weekday to this day! (well some days I took the car, but those are minor) I'm not sure, what is the big thing about that...? Can someone link me to an article or anything about "someone with Covid took a train, now 100 people are infected!" Because I don't know any and we are basically "back and live" with the current discussion of being afraid of things that are not dangerous!
Literally the beginning of the covid pandemic was from situations like this one:
"Of the 3711 people onboard, around 700 were eventually infected with the virus (567 out of 2,666 passengers and 145 out of 1,045 crew)"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_on_Diamond_Princess
Also:
"Researchers who investigated a case of community outbreak in Zhejiang province, China, found that a COVID-19 positive person has infected at least 23 persons who rode a bus with him to a religious event in less than two hours. This happened before wearing face mask was made mandatory as a precautionary measure against the dreaded SARS-CoV-2 virus."
https://www.timesnownews.com/health/article/covid-positive-person-infects-23-bus-passengers-in-china-is-coronavirus-disease-really-airborne/646413
Same scenario:
"When 67 Buddhist passengers and their driver boarded a bus in Ningbo, China, on January 19, 2020, it's likely that only one person among them was incubating the coronavirus. None knew or expected they'd get ill that day, so no one was wearing a mask."
https://www.businessinsider.com/covid-bus-study-virus-spreads-beyond-6-feet-from-patient-2020-9
So yes, of course it can happen. To deny that it could happen would deny that covid can spread within confined areas, airborne. There's really no downside to just playing it safe and masking up.
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Wouldn't it be civil disobedience if you still have a mask mandate inside trains ? You might be confusing less hysterical for anger/disinterest.
I don't regard people disregarding traffic lights as a good thing for example, it seems similar enough.
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On August 19 2021 22:30 Amumoman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2021 22:15 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2021 21:14 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 20:54 Magic Powers wrote:On August 19 2021 20:50 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 20:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 19 2021 20:36 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 20:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 19 2021 18:44 Amumoman wrote:
Took the metrotrain for the first time in a long time here in Denmark. There was still a mask mandate in place but 9/10 didnt wear one. Warms my heart to see the hysteria on the retreate. What are the consequences for not abiding by a mask mandate? I assume that if it's not being enforced, then people aren't going to take the "mandate" seriously. Is it merely a recommendation? Not merely a recommendation; thats whats so beautiful. Most people have ignored the senseless recommendations all along but now most people ignore the most moronic of mandates and enforcement (of this mandate) seems largely abandonned/severely downprioritezed. As for possible consequences, they’re the same as any other “crime” ie execution for refusal to comply and adhere and denigrate your soul by worshipping the State (assuming you start defending yourself when the police attemps to do violence unto you) Why are the recommendations senseless, if they're supported by the medical and scientific communities? I don't live in Denmark, but according to Worldometer, your country isn't covid-free ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/denmark/ ). Wouldn't it make sense to at least wear masks a while longer, since your country hasn't reached the herd immunity benchmark yet? I didnt mean to imply all recommendations by those - who so hubristically unironiccaly refer to themselves as the authorities - have been senseless; but a lot of recommendations have been senseless/incoherent for sure. What I find disturbing and repugnant though is the encouragement of the inappropriate life-attitude of fear and unquestioning submission to ‘authorities’. Which of the recommendations do you consider senseless? Oh boy thats a long list but let me mention what I find most egregious and appalling. the recommendation that healthy people worry about getting sick and getting other healthy people sick. Nothing wrong with soberly encouraging people whose health is significantly compromised (obesity or what have you) to be be cautious and encouraging all to be cautious within reason not to infect them. But this fear-mongering and encouragement of hysteria and neurosis has led to people having an insanely warped sense of how at risk evidence suggests they are which in turn has led to a lot of people (particularly those prone to anxiousness) refraning from activities that promote human thriving: seeing friends/family, going to gym etc etc). To give you a sense of how absurd this got (and if you look at polls from around the western world this anecdote does not seem to be an outlier), I asked my two younger siblings some time ago how many people they thought had died from covid in denmark below the age of 60; they guessed 100 and 150 - at the time i asked the actual number was 3 of all whom confirmed to have compromised health Edit: spelling Do you have the same opinion on drunk driving? You tell me if you find them similar. I think encouraging people to worry disproportionally about, to be hysterical about, to be neurotic about drunk driving goes against whats optimal for human thriving. I dont think there’s anything wrong with soberly and earnestlessly conveying information about how being under the influence of alchohol affects people’s ability to operate cars responsibly. Or talk about sensible ideas/measures within families/friend circles/communities/societies etc as to reduce drunk driving.
Nobody is talking about being neurotic about drunk driving. I'll ask bluntly: should drunk driving be allowed or should it be penalised?
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On August 19 2021 22:39 Amumoman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2021 22:24 JimmiC wrote:On August 19 2021 22:16 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 22:13 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2021 20:52 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 20:49 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2021 20:36 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 20:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 19 2021 18:44 Amumoman wrote:
Took the metrotrain for the first time in a long time here in Denmark. There was still a mask mandate in place but 9/10 didnt wear one. Warms my heart to see the hysteria on the retreate. What are the consequences for not abiding by a mask mandate? I assume that if it's not being enforced, then people aren't going to take the "mandate" seriously. Is it merely a recommendation? Not merely a recommendation; thats whats so beautiful. Most people have ignored the senseless recommendations all along but now most people ignore the most moronic of mandates and enforcement (of this mandate) seems largely abandonned/severely downprioritezed. As for possible consequences, they’re the same as any other “crime” ie execution for refusal to comply and adhere and denigrate your soul by worshipping the State (assuming you start defending yourself when the police attemps to do violence unto you) How on earth is wearing a mask on public transport a "senseless recommendation"? Didnt say it were; just as I didnt say it weren’t Yes, you did. You said it warmed your heart to see people not wearing masks despite the mandate, that it was beautiful. Then you added that now most people ignore the most moronic of mandates. The change in behaviour you brought up was not wearing masks on public transport, which heavily implies that this is the measure you had in mind. Don't pretend this is not what you've said. We're not dumb, mate. Theres a difference between mandate and recommendation. There are a lot of recommendations (inc masks) i dont feel strongly about that would be abhorrent in mandate form Edit: what i wrote warmed my heart was the hysteria decreasing Then explain fully what you mean with "hysteria decreasing". It is basically a click baity title, now you to explain who was hysterical and why they were being hysterical. Sure i dont mind explaining since you ask so politely. Irregardless of masks being a sensible recommendation or not (i have no strong opinion about that), people disregarding the mandate is a sign that people are less fearful, less hysterical which i believe to be a good thing
Except those people are also ignoring the best scientific and medical recommendations, which means they may not be fearful, but they're also making incredibly dangerous decisions. Being fearless can be bad if the person is also being careless or stupid. It's like saying people aren't afraid to drive drunk, or people aren't afraid to *not* wear seatbelts, or people aren't afraid to stick their heads in a lion's mouth. Not necessarily good things.
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On August 19 2021 22:45 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2021 22:30 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 22:15 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2021 21:14 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 20:54 Magic Powers wrote:On August 19 2021 20:50 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 20:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 19 2021 20:36 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 20:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 19 2021 18:44 Amumoman wrote:
Took the metrotrain for the first time in a long time here in Denmark. There was still a mask mandate in place but 9/10 didnt wear one. Warms my heart to see the hysteria on the retreate. What are the consequences for not abiding by a mask mandate? I assume that if it's not being enforced, then people aren't going to take the "mandate" seriously. Is it merely a recommendation? Not merely a recommendation; thats whats so beautiful. Most people have ignored the senseless recommendations all along but now most people ignore the most moronic of mandates and enforcement (of this mandate) seems largely abandonned/severely downprioritezed. As for possible consequences, they’re the same as any other “crime” ie execution for refusal to comply and adhere and denigrate your soul by worshipping the State (assuming you start defending yourself when the police attemps to do violence unto you) Why are the recommendations senseless, if they're supported by the medical and scientific communities? I don't live in Denmark, but according to Worldometer, your country isn't covid-free ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/denmark/ ). Wouldn't it make sense to at least wear masks a while longer, since your country hasn't reached the herd immunity benchmark yet? I didnt mean to imply all recommendations by those - who so hubristically unironiccaly refer to themselves as the authorities - have been senseless; but a lot of recommendations have been senseless/incoherent for sure. What I find disturbing and repugnant though is the encouragement of the inappropriate life-attitude of fear and unquestioning submission to ‘authorities’. Which of the recommendations do you consider senseless? Oh boy thats a long list but let me mention what I find most egregious and appalling. the recommendation that healthy people worry about getting sick and getting other healthy people sick. Nothing wrong with soberly encouraging people whose health is significantly compromised (obesity or what have you) to be be cautious and encouraging all to be cautious within reason not to infect them. But this fear-mongering and encouragement of hysteria and neurosis has led to people having an insanely warped sense of how at risk evidence suggests they are which in turn has led to a lot of people (particularly those prone to anxiousness) refraning from activities that promote human thriving: seeing friends/family, going to gym etc etc). To give you a sense of how absurd this got (and if you look at polls from around the western world this anecdote does not seem to be an outlier), I asked my two younger siblings some time ago how many people they thought had died from covid in denmark below the age of 60; they guessed 100 and 150 - at the time i asked the actual number was 3 of all whom confirmed to have compromised health Edit: spelling Do you have the same opinion on drunk driving? You tell me if you find them similar. I think encouraging people to worry disproportionally about, to be hysterical about, to be neurotic about drunk driving goes against whats optimal for human thriving. I dont think there’s anything wrong with soberly and earnestlessly conveying information about how being under the influence of alchohol affects people’s ability to operate cars responsibly. Or talk about sensible ideas/measures within families/friend circles/communities/societies etc as to reduce drunk driving. Nobody is talking about being neurotic about drunk driving. I'll ask bluntly: should drunk driving be allowed or should it be penalised?
Allowed by whom? In the name of which authority? Enforced how? Etc
Leaving aside such technicalities that people who worship the State dont seem concerned with, let me answer your question this way: let us assume there was a community somewhere and they all voluntarily agreed that within their community there would be punishment for drunk driving, i dont have the slightest problem with this.
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On August 19 2021 22:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2021 22:39 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 22:24 JimmiC wrote:On August 19 2021 22:16 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 22:13 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2021 20:52 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 20:49 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2021 20:36 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 20:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 19 2021 18:44 Amumoman wrote:
Took the metrotrain for the first time in a long time here in Denmark. There was still a mask mandate in place but 9/10 didnt wear one. Warms my heart to see the hysteria on the retreate. What are the consequences for not abiding by a mask mandate? I assume that if it's not being enforced, then people aren't going to take the "mandate" seriously. Is it merely a recommendation? Not merely a recommendation; thats whats so beautiful. Most people have ignored the senseless recommendations all along but now most people ignore the most moronic of mandates and enforcement (of this mandate) seems largely abandonned/severely downprioritezed. As for possible consequences, they’re the same as any other “crime” ie execution for refusal to comply and adhere and denigrate your soul by worshipping the State (assuming you start defending yourself when the police attemps to do violence unto you) How on earth is wearing a mask on public transport a "senseless recommendation"? Didnt say it were; just as I didnt say it weren’t Yes, you did. You said it warmed your heart to see people not wearing masks despite the mandate, that it was beautiful. Then you added that now most people ignore the most moronic of mandates. The change in behaviour you brought up was not wearing masks on public transport, which heavily implies that this is the measure you had in mind. Don't pretend this is not what you've said. We're not dumb, mate. Theres a difference between mandate and recommendation. There are a lot of recommendations (inc masks) i dont feel strongly about that would be abhorrent in mandate form Edit: what i wrote warmed my heart was the hysteria decreasing Then explain fully what you mean with "hysteria decreasing". It is basically a click baity title, now you to explain who was hysterical and why they were being hysterical. Sure i dont mind explaining since you ask so politely. Irregardless of masks being a sensible recommendation or not (i have no strong opinion about that), people disregarding the mandate is a sign that people are less fearful, less hysterical which i believe to be a good thing Except those people are also ignoring the best scientific and medical recommendations, which means they may not be fearful, but they're also making incredibly dangerous decisions. Being fearless can be bad if the person is also being careless or stupid. It's like saying people aren't afraid to drive drunk, or people aren't afraid to *not* wear seatbelts, or people aren't afraid to stick their heads in a lion's mouth. Not necessarily good things.
You may or may not be right but your point has nothing to do with mine.
Less hysteria itself is a good thing. A sensible good act (and masks may or may not be that for all i know) can be carried out without hysteria.
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On August 19 2021 21:14 Amumoman wrote:
Oh boy thats a long list but let me mention what I find most egregious and appalling.
the recommendation that healthy people worry about getting sick and getting other healthy people sick. Nothing wrong with soberly encouraging people whose health is significantly compromised (obesity or what have you) to be be cautious and encouraging all to be cautious within reason not to infect them.
But this fear-mongering and encouragement of hysteria and neurosis has led to people having an insanely warped sense of how at risk evidence suggests they are which in turn has led to a lot of people (particularly those prone to anxiousness) refraning from activities that promote human thriving: seeing friends/family, going to gym etc etc).
To give you a sense of how absurd this got (and if you look at polls from around the western world this anecdote does not seem to be an outlier), I asked my two younger siblings some time ago how many people they thought had died from covid in denmark below the age of 60; they guessed 100 and 150 - at the time i asked the actual number was 3 of all whom confirmed to have compromised health
Edit: spelling
I'm not sure if you're aware that sars-cov-2 doesn't care if you're healthy or not? Lots and lots of healthy people get infected, and given a choice between either the constant risk of infection (containing the risk of a severe or fatal outcome) or the certainty of vaccination, the latter is demonstrably the best option by far. It's not even close. The severity of an infection is worse among unhealthy people, but it's not negligible at all among the healthy. Without mass vaccination programs we'd be seeing way more deaths, and that includes healthy people. One of the reasons (there are several) why we're not seeing more deaths among the healthy is because many of them are vaccinated.
As to the "fear-mongering and encouragement of hysteria and neurosis" that you mentioned: can you be more specific on this? I honestly can't figure out what exactly you mean.
Also, while it is true that abstaining from certain activities like sports and family gatherings has a detrimental effect on our health and psyche, it's not really possible to say whether or not lockdowns are overall more harmful than all the various alternatives. Many have attempted to research it, but to my knowledge so far all have failed because there's practically no control group.
Note that I myself am hugely biased against lockdowns, and I've done a fair amount of research to prove my bias right. But despite my best efforts, I can't support that position. The evidence against lockdowns is very weak, that much I can say. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try our best to escape lockdowns and return to normal, but we have to be reasonable about it. At the risk of getting called out for using a bad analogy: just like pulling all military out of Afghanistan in such a rush was an unmitigated disaster, we also need to reasonably try to prevent future sars-cov-2 waves, too. Else our efforts are wasted.
Bare in mind also that the many deaths from covid-19 also have a very significant impact on the mental well-being of friends and relatives, and even the population in general. So it's not as simple as just saying lockdowns cause some level of measurable harm. They may cause some harm, but some of that exact same harm is also prevented by the lockdowns in a roundabout way.
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And thus you shouldn't have the slightest issue with drunk driving being penalized by your society. Or do you think society is too fractured for there to be a consensus? Because if you don't agree with my response, you don't seem to agree with how modern society functions as a whole.
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On August 19 2021 22:52 Amumoman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2021 22:45 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2021 22:30 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 22:15 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2021 21:14 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 20:54 Magic Powers wrote:On August 19 2021 20:50 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 20:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 19 2021 20:36 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 20:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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What are the consequences for not abiding by a mask mandate? I assume that if it's not being enforced, then people aren't going to take the "mandate" seriously. Is it merely a recommendation? Not merely a recommendation; thats whats so beautiful. Most people have ignored the senseless recommendations all along but now most people ignore the most moronic of mandates and enforcement (of this mandate) seems largely abandonned/severely downprioritezed. As for possible consequences, they’re the same as any other “crime” ie execution for refusal to comply and adhere and denigrate your soul by worshipping the State (assuming you start defending yourself when the police attemps to do violence unto you) Why are the recommendations senseless, if they're supported by the medical and scientific communities? I don't live in Denmark, but according to Worldometer, your country isn't covid-free ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/denmark/ ). Wouldn't it make sense to at least wear masks a while longer, since your country hasn't reached the herd immunity benchmark yet? I didnt mean to imply all recommendations by those - who so hubristically unironiccaly refer to themselves as the authorities - have been senseless; but a lot of recommendations have been senseless/incoherent for sure. What I find disturbing and repugnant though is the encouragement of the inappropriate life-attitude of fear and unquestioning submission to ‘authorities’. Which of the recommendations do you consider senseless? Oh boy thats a long list but let me mention what I find most egregious and appalling. the recommendation that healthy people worry about getting sick and getting other healthy people sick. Nothing wrong with soberly encouraging people whose health is significantly compromised (obesity or what have you) to be be cautious and encouraging all to be cautious within reason not to infect them. But this fear-mongering and encouragement of hysteria and neurosis has led to people having an insanely warped sense of how at risk evidence suggests they are which in turn has led to a lot of people (particularly those prone to anxiousness) refraning from activities that promote human thriving: seeing friends/family, going to gym etc etc). To give you a sense of how absurd this got (and if you look at polls from around the western world this anecdote does not seem to be an outlier), I asked my two younger siblings some time ago how many people they thought had died from covid in denmark below the age of 60; they guessed 100 and 150 - at the time i asked the actual number was 3 of all whom confirmed to have compromised health Edit: spelling Do you have the same opinion on drunk driving? You tell me if you find them similar. I think encouraging people to worry disproportionally about, to be hysterical about, to be neurotic about drunk driving goes against whats optimal for human thriving. I dont think there’s anything wrong with soberly and earnestlessly conveying information about how being under the influence of alchohol affects people’s ability to operate cars responsibly. Or talk about sensible ideas/measures within families/friend circles/communities/societies etc as to reduce drunk driving. Nobody is talking about being neurotic about drunk driving. I'll ask bluntly: should drunk driving be allowed or should it be penalised? Allowed by whom? In the name of which authority? Enforced how? Etc Leaving aside such technicalities that people who worship the State dont seem concerned with, let me answer your question this way: let us assume there was a community somewhere and they all voluntarily agreed that within their community there would be punishment for drunk driving, i dont have the slightest problem with this.
You do realize that in a community of 5 million people, there is literally not a single thing all will agree upon?
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On August 19 2021 22:52 Amumoman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2021 22:45 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2021 22:30 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 22:15 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2021 21:14 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 20:54 Magic Powers wrote:On August 19 2021 20:50 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 20:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 19 2021 20:36 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 20:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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What are the consequences for not abiding by a mask mandate? I assume that if it's not being enforced, then people aren't going to take the "mandate" seriously. Is it merely a recommendation? Not merely a recommendation; thats whats so beautiful. Most people have ignored the senseless recommendations all along but now most people ignore the most moronic of mandates and enforcement (of this mandate) seems largely abandonned/severely downprioritezed. As for possible consequences, they’re the same as any other “crime” ie execution for refusal to comply and adhere and denigrate your soul by worshipping the State (assuming you start defending yourself when the police attemps to do violence unto you) Why are the recommendations senseless, if they're supported by the medical and scientific communities? I don't live in Denmark, but according to Worldometer, your country isn't covid-free ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/denmark/ ). Wouldn't it make sense to at least wear masks a while longer, since your country hasn't reached the herd immunity benchmark yet? I didnt mean to imply all recommendations by those - who so hubristically unironiccaly refer to themselves as the authorities - have been senseless; but a lot of recommendations have been senseless/incoherent for sure. What I find disturbing and repugnant though is the encouragement of the inappropriate life-attitude of fear and unquestioning submission to ‘authorities’. Which of the recommendations do you consider senseless? Oh boy thats a long list but let me mention what I find most egregious and appalling. the recommendation that healthy people worry about getting sick and getting other healthy people sick. Nothing wrong with soberly encouraging people whose health is significantly compromised (obesity or what have you) to be be cautious and encouraging all to be cautious within reason not to infect them. But this fear-mongering and encouragement of hysteria and neurosis has led to people having an insanely warped sense of how at risk evidence suggests they are which in turn has led to a lot of people (particularly those prone to anxiousness) refraning from activities that promote human thriving: seeing friends/family, going to gym etc etc). To give you a sense of how absurd this got (and if you look at polls from around the western world this anecdote does not seem to be an outlier), I asked my two younger siblings some time ago how many people they thought had died from covid in denmark below the age of 60; they guessed 100 and 150 - at the time i asked the actual number was 3 of all whom confirmed to have compromised health Edit: spelling Do you have the same opinion on drunk driving? You tell me if you find them similar. I think encouraging people to worry disproportionally about, to be hysterical about, to be neurotic about drunk driving goes against whats optimal for human thriving. I dont think there’s anything wrong with soberly and earnestlessly conveying information about how being under the influence of alchohol affects people’s ability to operate cars responsibly. Or talk about sensible ideas/measures within families/friend circles/communities/societies etc as to reduce drunk driving. Nobody is talking about being neurotic about drunk driving. I'll ask bluntly: should drunk driving be allowed or should it be penalised? Allowed by whom? In the name of which authority? Enforced how? Etc Leaving aside such technicalities that people who worship the State dont seem concerned with, let me answer your question this way: let us assume there was a community somewhere and they all voluntarily agreed that within their community there would be punishment for drunk driving, i dont have the slightest problem with this.
The society you live in. Stop playing stupid games.
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On August 19 2021 22:57 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2021 22:39 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 22:24 JimmiC wrote:On August 19 2021 22:16 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 22:13 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2021 20:52 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 20:49 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2021 20:36 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 20:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 19 2021 18:44 Amumoman wrote:
Took the metrotrain for the first time in a long time here in Denmark. There was still a mask mandate in place but 9/10 didnt wear one. Warms my heart to see the hysteria on the retreate. What are the consequences for not abiding by a mask mandate? I assume that if it's not being enforced, then people aren't going to take the "mandate" seriously. Is it merely a recommendation? Not merely a recommendation; thats whats so beautiful. Most people have ignored the senseless recommendations all along but now most people ignore the most moronic of mandates and enforcement (of this mandate) seems largely abandonned/severely downprioritezed. As for possible consequences, they’re the same as any other “crime” ie execution for refusal to comply and adhere and denigrate your soul by worshipping the State (assuming you start defending yourself when the police attemps to do violence unto you) How on earth is wearing a mask on public transport a "senseless recommendation"? Didnt say it were; just as I didnt say it weren’t Yes, you did. You said it warmed your heart to see people not wearing masks despite the mandate, that it was beautiful. Then you added that now most people ignore the most moronic of mandates. The change in behaviour you brought up was not wearing masks on public transport, which heavily implies that this is the measure you had in mind. Don't pretend this is not what you've said. We're not dumb, mate. Theres a difference between mandate and recommendation. There are a lot of recommendations (inc masks) i dont feel strongly about that would be abhorrent in mandate form Edit: what i wrote warmed my heart was the hysteria decreasing Then explain fully what you mean with "hysteria decreasing". It is basically a click baity title, now you to explain who was hysterical and why they were being hysterical. Sure i dont mind explaining since you ask so politely. Irregardless of masks being a sensible recommendation or not (i have no strong opinion about that), people disregarding the mandate is a sign that people are less fearful, less hysterical which i believe to be a good thing I think the issue is just misuse of words than. Hysterical would be being affected by uncontrolled extreme emotion. Wearing a mask during a pandemic would not be extreme and on top of that choosing to wear one would be very controlled. Someone could get hysterical and not wear a max and yell and scream about it. Or someone could become hysterical at someone refusing a mask. More people breaking a mandate would show less control not more and some would say a extreme emotion to break that rule. I don't think you example of a train says anything about hysteria, but if it does it is the opposite of what you are saying. Also when I looked up mask mandates in Denmark it says that in June the rules changed to wear masks were only mandatory on public transport during rush hours. So really it is likely that people were following the rules which given the spread seem very sensible. Nothing hysterical from the people or the government. It might be your own biases coloring your interpretations.
This happened one week before that mandate was changed. At the time masks were mandated whenever standing up once you enter a station.
We may read different things into the word hysteria, I suppose. If unreasonable disproportionate neurosis flies better with you, i dont mind going with that.
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On August 19 2021 22:59 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2021 22:52 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 22:45 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2021 22:30 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 22:15 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2021 21:14 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 20:54 Magic Powers wrote:On August 19 2021 20:50 Amumoman wrote:On August 19 2021 20:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 19 2021 20:36 Amumoman wrote:
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Not merely a recommendation; thats whats so beautiful. Most people have ignored the senseless recommendations all along but now most people ignore the most moronic of mandates and enforcement (of this mandate) seems largely abandonned/severely downprioritezed.
As for possible consequences, they’re the same as any other “crime” ie execution for refusal to comply and adhere and denigrate your soul by worshipping the State (assuming you start defending yourself when the police attemps to do violence unto you) Why are the recommendations senseless, if they're supported by the medical and scientific communities? I don't live in Denmark, but according to Worldometer, your country isn't covid-free ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/denmark/ ). Wouldn't it make sense to at least wear masks a while longer, since your country hasn't reached the herd immunity benchmark yet? I didnt mean to imply all recommendations by those - who so hubristically unironiccaly refer to themselves as the authorities - have been senseless; but a lot of recommendations have been senseless/incoherent for sure. What I find disturbing and repugnant though is the encouragement of the inappropriate life-attitude of fear and unquestioning submission to ‘authorities’. Which of the recommendations do you consider senseless? Oh boy thats a long list but let me mention what I find most egregious and appalling. the recommendation that healthy people worry about getting sick and getting other healthy people sick. Nothing wrong with soberly encouraging people whose health is significantly compromised (obesity or what have you) to be be cautious and encouraging all to be cautious within reason not to infect them. But this fear-mongering and encouragement of hysteria and neurosis has led to people having an insanely warped sense of how at risk evidence suggests they are which in turn has led to a lot of people (particularly those prone to anxiousness) refraning from activities that promote human thriving: seeing friends/family, going to gym etc etc). To give you a sense of how absurd this got (and if you look at polls from around the western world this anecdote does not seem to be an outlier), I asked my two younger siblings some time ago how many people they thought had died from covid in denmark below the age of 60; they guessed 100 and 150 - at the time i asked the actual number was 3 of all whom confirmed to have compromised health Edit: spelling Do you have the same opinion on drunk driving? You tell me if you find them similar. I think encouraging people to worry disproportionally about, to be hysterical about, to be neurotic about drunk driving goes against whats optimal for human thriving. I dont think there’s anything wrong with soberly and earnestlessly conveying information about how being under the influence of alchohol affects people’s ability to operate cars responsibly. Or talk about sensible ideas/measures within families/friend circles/communities/societies etc as to reduce drunk driving. Nobody is talking about being neurotic about drunk driving. I'll ask bluntly: should drunk driving be allowed or should it be penalised? Allowed by whom? In the name of which authority? Enforced how? Etc Leaving aside such technicalities that people who worship the State dont seem concerned with, let me answer your question this way: let us assume there was a community somewhere and they all voluntarily agreed that within their community there would be punishment for drunk driving, i dont have the slightest problem with this. The society you live in. Stop playing stupid games.
I am playing stupid games by thinking there’s a difference between voluntary interaction between peers and subjugation coersion and violence carried out in the name of the State, the Greater Good or whatever psychopathic fucks with god-complexes justify their evil against their fellow men with?
Ok bro
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