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Any and all updates regarding the COVID-19 will need a source provided. Please do your part in helping us to keep this thread maintainable and under control.

It is YOUR responsibility to fully read through the sources that you link, and you MUST provide a brief summary explaining what the source is about. Do not expect other people to do the work for you.

Conspiracy theories and fear mongering will absolutely not be tolerated in this thread. Expect harsh mod actions if you try to incite fear needlessly.

This is not a politics thread! You are allowed to post information regarding politics if it's related to the coronavirus, but do NOT discuss politics in here.

Added a disclaimer on page 662. Many need to post better.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
August 16 2021 06:44 GMT
#8481
I can’t imagine Afghanistan was enjoying a widespread vaccination coverage prior to this right?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28910 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-16 07:03:55
August 16 2021 07:03 GMT
#8482
At least half the population is gonna comply with both staying at home and the mask mandates anyway, right?
Moderator
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
August 16 2021 08:33 GMT
#8483
That's dark

Anyway... just got back from my second shot. When I was done and entered the waiting area they checked my papers, gave me a new one with "keep this until January for your third shot"! After my "wtf????" they said, that this was decided yesterday...
I'm still searching about this anywhere to find out which idiots decided that on a Sunday(!) ... all I could find was, that people at risk (80+, immune deficiency, ...) can get their third shot "right now"! Because of all the Afghanistan shit I currently think "burying"...

I'm very interested on seeing, what they are doing! If they "void" my vaccination in January I will be mad!
There can only be one Geisterkarle
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
August 16 2021 08:37 GMT
#8484
My guess is that the ban is more to cut off Western aid and secure alternative vaccine supply from more 'friendly' nations. Geopolitics rather than religion.
gg no re thx
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7427 Posts
August 16 2021 12:13 GMT
#8485
On August 16 2021 17:33 Geisterkarle wrote:
That's dark

Anyway... just got back from my second shot. When I was done and entered the waiting area they checked my papers, gave me a new one with "keep this until January for your third shot"! After my "wtf????" they said, that this was decided yesterday...
I'm still searching about this anywhere to find out which idiots decided that on a Sunday(!) ... all I could find was, that people at risk (80+, immune deficiency, ...) can get their third shot "right now"! Because of all the Afghanistan shit I currently think "burying"...

I'm very interested on seeing, what they are doing! If they "void" my vaccination in January I will be mad!


I find only sources in Bavaria. Like you said, 80+ and other stuff are open to get a 3rd shot. It's generally said that there should be at least 6 month between 2nd and 3rd shot.
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
August 16 2021 17:04 GMT
#8486
On August 16 2021 21:13 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2021 17:33 Geisterkarle wrote:
That's dark

Anyway... just got back from my second shot. When I was done and entered the waiting area they checked my papers, gave me a new one with "keep this until January for your third shot"! After my "wtf????" they said, that this was decided yesterday...
I'm still searching about this anywhere to find out which idiots decided that on a Sunday(!) ... all I could find was, that people at risk (80+, immune deficiency, ...) can get their third shot "right now"! Because of all the Afghanistan shit I currently think "burying"...

I'm very interested on seeing, what they are doing! If they "void" my vaccination in January I will be mad!


I find only sources in Bavaria. Like you said, 80+ and other stuff are open to get a 3rd shot. It's generally said that there should be at least 6 month between 2nd and 3rd shot.

I got my 3rd after about 3 months FWIW
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4456 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-17 01:49:41
August 17 2021 01:41 GMT
#8487
On August 01 2021 18:31 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
So after 18 months of this you can’t forsee another variant that the vaccines don’t work well against (Vaccines are already less effective against Delta hence the calls for boosters and Israel rolling out 3rd shot) and we’re still going through lockdowns a year from now? You can’t see that possibility?


Israeli government Health Ministry states arrival of Lambda variant would force return to lockdown.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/arrival-of-lambda-variant-would-force-lockdown-health-ministry-warns/

“If it arrives in Israel we will go into the lockdown that we are so much trying to avoid,” Asher Salmon, director of the International Relations Department at the Health Ministry, told the committee.

Salmon said that the vaccine Israel has been using as part of its national inoculation program is less effective against the variant than against its predecessors.

So the Lambda variant from Peru is more resistant to current vaccines.Any variant could show up in a third world country that has poor access to vaccines that is resistant to current vaccines, like Lambda apparently is.I don’t see an end to the current strategy being pursued by governments.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
August 17 2021 02:20 GMT
#8488
I don't mind all the silly dances before a global vaccine mandate. This is a giant cultural shift and it will be messy. But the more times we lock down, the more the will of antivaxers will be broken. Tons of them getting fired from jobs and stuff. Eventually they will bend the knee or else essentially be driven out of society financially or otherwise.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18467 Posts
August 17 2021 08:06 GMT
#8489
On August 17 2021 11:20 Mohdoo wrote:
I don't mind all the silly dances before a global vaccine mandate. This is a giant cultural shift and it will be messy. But the more times we lock down, the more the will of antivaxers will be broken. Tons of them getting fired from jobs and stuff. Eventually they will bend the knee or else essentially be driven out of society financially or otherwise.

A lot of antivaxxers aren't just antivax. They are anticovid. They are anti-mask, anti-lockdown and anti-vaccinations. The idea that a government conspiracy is forcing them to take measures against this disease is what they are against, not just vaccines. There was a more reasonable group of people who are against vaccines but in favor of other measures until the vaccines can be "properly tested" (with no clear idea of what that means beyond the current safety trials), but I don't think there are many of those left now.

So what makes you think these people who are anti-vaccine will suddenly be pro-vaccine when they get forced back into lockdown? They will continue to be angry at the government for all these absurd measures and continue to believe all the drivel Alex Jones and his kind spew at them.

Plus, if lambda is resistant to the vaccines, then a global vaccine mandate is useless, isn't it, until a booster can be developed that does protect against lambda.

Also, lambda isn't contained in Peru. It has definitely reached Spain, and no clue where else. But the WHO doesn't seem to think it is a particularly worrying strain.
teeel141
Profile Joined August 2021
93 Posts
August 17 2021 08:37 GMT
#8490
On August 17 2021 11:20 Mohdoo wrote:
I don't mind all the silly dances before a global vaccine mandate. This is a giant cultural shift and it will be messy. But the more times we lock down, the more the will of antivaxers will be broken. Tons of them getting fired from jobs and stuff. Eventually they will bend the knee or else essentially be driven out of society financially or otherwise.


What do you mean by
all the silly dances before a global vaccine mandate
?
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4456 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-17 09:00:25
August 17 2021 08:39 GMT
#8491
But the WHO doesn't seem to think it is a particularly worrying strain.

If it causes national governments to restart the lockdown/restrictions/revaccinate cycle again, as Israel seems to be implying then that is worrying enough for me.

AP : US to recommend COVID vaccine boosters at 8 months

https://apnews.com/article/health-coronavirus-pandemic-36d971bacb42017502f7cc4c2c02ec1c

WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. experts are expected to recommend COVID-19 vaccine boosters for all Americans, regardless of age, eight months after they received their second dose of the shot, to ensure lasting protection against the coronavirus as the delta variant spreads across the country.

Federal health officials have been actively looking at whether extra shots for the vaccinated would be needed as early as this fall, reviewing case numbers in the U.S. as well as the situation in other countries such as Israel, where preliminary studies suggest the vaccine’s protection against serious illness dropped among those vaccinated in January.

An announcement on the U.S. booster recommendation was expected as soon as this week, according to two people familiar with the matter who spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.


But the more times we lock down, the more the will of antivaxers will be broken. Tons of them getting fired from jobs and stuff. Eventually they will bend the knee or else essentially be driven out of society financially or otherwise.

So you are under the impression that only unvaccinated people will be under lockdown, when a vaccine resistant strain such as Lambda appears? All will be under lockdown.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7427 Posts
August 17 2021 09:27 GMT
#8492
When you say "vaccine resistant", does that mean vaccinated people get it and spread it or get actually sick? Like seriously hospital kind of sick?
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4456 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-17 11:31:30
August 17 2021 11:31 GMT
#8493
On August 17 2021 18:27 Harris1st wrote:
When you say "vaccine resistant", does that mean vaccinated people get it and spread it or get actually sick? Like seriously hospital kind of sick?

I understand the WHO lists Lambda as a variant of interest, whilst delta is a variant of concern.So i imagine it is less dangerous? The Israel article i quoted said vaccines were far less effective against it, the issue for me was threatening to bring back lockdowns over resistant variants but if it is less dangerous i would strongly be against further lockdowns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
August 17 2021 14:55 GMT
#8494
On August 17 2021 17:37 teeel141 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2021 11:20 Mohdoo wrote:
I don't mind all the silly dances before a global vaccine mandate. This is a giant cultural shift and it will be messy. But the more times we lock down, the more the will of antivaxers will be broken. Tons of them getting fired from jobs and stuff. Eventually they will bend the knee or else essentially be driven out of society financially or otherwise.


What do you mean by
Show nested quote +
all the silly dances before a global vaccine mandate
?


I mean countries doing various things to encourage vaccines before buckling down and saying "Sorry, people are dying, you can't be fuckups and also ask to live in a society. Get the vax or you have your finances seized" or something like that. I'd love it.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 17 2021 15:13 GMT
#8495
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
August 17 2021 15:14 GMT
#8496
On August 16 2021 16:03 Liquid`Drone wrote:
At least half the population is gonna comply with both staying at home and the mask mandates anyway, right?


Lol
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-17 15:33:24
August 17 2021 15:20 GMT
#8497
On August 18 2021 00:13 JimmiC wrote:
I don't think they would nearly have to go that far to get enough people signed up. For the most part so far if they just make it annoying and inconvenient for people (like extra waits for rapid tests), then vaccination rates go way up. The other way it is going up is when there is enough people dying and going to the hospital that people who rely on anecdotal evidence start to believe it is real because people they know are sick and dying. The second way is not ideal because has to be really bad already for it to work and then the catch up time is hard because the spread is so bad that measures maybe required just to get a reset.


Right now its looking like we need extremely high vax numbers based on current spread. Either we keep this up forever or we start holding people down. I'm in the "hold people down" team.

Edit:I will elaborate. I don't think humans have an intrinsic right to exist within societies. I think that societies are within their right to create rules of operation with a society. If someone is not willing to adhere to that society's regulations, they can try to live somewhere else. There will be countries that don't mandate covid vaccines. People can live there instead. I would fully support revoking citizenship for people who refuse vaccines.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 17 2021 15:34 GMT
#8498
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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
August 17 2021 16:52 GMT
#8499
You run into serious problems very quickly if you go to the length of revoking citizenship. It sounds good, but since the vaccine became first available there has been well-justified concern about whether the vaccine would be safe for people of color, because a ton of medical R&D just leaves them out of the picture. They have a right to be concerned about a vaccine developed by huge pharmaceutical companies in this country, and they'd be getting hit just the same as your genuine anti-vaxxer.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
August 17 2021 18:31 GMT
#8500
On August 18 2021 01:52 NewSunshine wrote:
You run into serious problems very quickly if you go to the length of revoking citizenship. It sounds good, but since the vaccine became first available there has been well-justified concern about whether the vaccine would be safe for people of color, because a ton of medical R&D just leaves them out of the picture. They have a right to be concerned about a vaccine developed by huge pharmaceutical companies in this country, and they'd be getting hit just the same as your genuine anti-vaxxer.


Simply put, I don't care about those concerns. I think the pros outweigh the cons and we already can look at the current situation. You are outlining potential downsides but we are already experiencing significant downsides of not requiring vax for all citizens. Its not like everything is fine as is.
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