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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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RKC
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RKC
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
This resulted in an increasing gap between real vs reported as both numbers kept increasing. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/investigations/article/exposed-risk-texas-virus-reopen-early-covid-death-15609030.php I'm also learning things about Florida that I find very concerning. "Hamilton said she did not know whether the number of COVID-19 related deaths would be released." "Ascension is not publicly releasing its COVID-19 deaths." Note this information is from various locations, so it seems like a widespread problem. https://eu.jacksonville.com/story/news/coronavirus/2021/08/13/florida-covid-19-hospitalizations-break-more-records-jacksonville-drops/8120567002/ I think JimmiC's suspicion is correct. From the second article we can also learn that the picture about vaccinated vs unvaccinated is very clear, as the unvaccinated make up 90-98% of hospitalizations. The rate of intensive care is also very significant, ranging from 23% up to 33% from what I can gather. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4427 Posts
On August 14 2021 11:40 JimmiC wrote: Ill make you a bet. If australia requires 2 or more boosters in 2022 ill take a year long ban. If they dont you take a month. Deal? Sure. New laws in place for NSW lockdown which has already been going for 7 weeks, many fines have been increased 5-fold, $3000 fine for exercising with more than one other person has been increased 3-fold from $1000 prior.Increased number of military on the streets.With this new 'Operation Stay Home' lasting 21 days the harsh lockdown they've been in for 7 weeks already should be continuing for at least another 3 weeks. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-14/nsw-new-covid-rules-and-fines/100377514 To curb movement, more restrictions will come into effect from midnight on Monday and NSW Police will launch 'Operation Stay Home' — a 21-day crackdown with increased penalties. To assist with the operation, the NSW Police have requested an additional 500 members of the Australian Defence Force, who will join the already 300 ADF personnel on the ground. NSW Police Commissioner Mick Fuller said too many people were using excuses relating to exercise, the singles bubble and regional travel and they needed to close these gaps. "I honestly think we can get NSW of lockdown quicker [with these powers]," he said. "These are some of the strongest powers we’ve ever had in the history of the NSW Police Force, as part of the government’s strategy to get in front of the virus in the coming weeks – it's all about getting ahead of Delta, not chasing it." What are the new fines? Fines have been increased up to $5,000 for COVID-19 restriction breaches and Commissioner Fuller said he was not interested in any complaints. "I am not apologetic. Please don't write in and complain to me, we have given ample warnings and cautions and that time has gone," he said. The increased fines for Public Health Order breaches (from 12:01am, Monday, 16 August) are: $5,000 on the spot fine for breaching self-isolation rules (currently the fine is $1,000) $5,000 on the spot fine for lying on a permit $5,000 on the spot fine for lying to a contact tracer $3,000 on the spot fine for breaching the two-person outdoor exercise/recreation rule (currently the fine is $1,000) $3,000 on the spot fine for breaching rules around entry into regional NSW, which restrict travel except for authorised work, inspecting real estate or travelling to your second home Also a large terminal at the third largest cargo port in the world, Ningbo-Zhoushan in China, has been shut due to one fully vaccinated worker being infected with Coronavirus so expect more supply chain issues over the next few months. https://in.news.yahoo.com/china-partly-shuts-worlds-3rd-091100424.html Authorities in China have suspended operations at a terminal in the world’s third busiest cargo port after a worker was infected with the coronavirus. The closure of a key terminal at the Ningbo-Zhoushan port on the east coast, which handled almost 1.2 billion tons in 2020, reflects China’s determination to squash its worst coronavirus outbreak in months no matter the economic costs. The worker at the port’s Meishan terminal tested positive for coronavirus Wednesday, Ningbo city officials said. The company “immediately stopped production work and closed the port area,” as soon as the infection was detected, Jiang Yipeng, the CEO of Meidong Container Terminal, which operates the Meishan zone, said. The worker had been fully vaccinated and it remains unclear how they became infected. Meishan terminal is a newly built area of the expanded port and is its second mega-terminal, with capacity for 10 million containers, state media reported. | ||
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Slydie
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It isn't really "vaccine resistance", it is more our immune system failing to respond correctly despite having fought off a similar threat before. I haven't looked up how this works for seasonal flu. Boosters are mostly talked about for people with a compromised immune system. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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JimmiC
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria870 Posts
On August 14 2021 16:39 Slydie wrote: The vaccines protecte almost all of us very well against all the variants so far. We have no idea if COVID viruses can change enough so we can get seriously Ill several seasons in a row. I read that the vaccines (and a real infection) trigger multiple immune responses, so if one fails others can do the job. It isn't really "vaccine resistance", it is more our immune system failing to respond correctly despite having fought off a similar threat before. I haven't looked up how this works for seasonal flu. Boosters are mostly talked about for people with a compromised immune system. "Similar threat" isn't what our immune system understands as far as I know. I remember reading Bill Gates' take on this and he was talking about common cold as an example. In terms of boosters, this article suggests one may be needed within 12 months, so let's say after 1 year of second dose. However, I'm still skeptical regarding this topic. Even if antibodies drop after 6-8 months or whatever immunity period was claimed in the past, there are T and B memory cells. Is there research on that? Because, again from that article, SARS-CoV-1 immunity is at least 17 years. While current SARS isn't the same virus genetically, it defies common logic/understanding that once we recover from some infection, we shouldn't encounter it as bad as the 1st time, so it should be milder or without symptoms. I'm just interested in more thorough research on this. A lot of time has passed since original COVID outbreak in Wuhan, China. Surely, we have enough people with 1,5 years since they got infected, so test them? | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On August 15 2021 07:09 SC-Shield wrote: "Similar threat" isn't what our immune system understands as far as I know. I remember reading Bill Gates' take on this and he was talking about common cold as an example. In terms of boosters, this article suggests one may be needed within 12 months, so let's say after 1 year of second dose. However, I'm still skeptical regarding this topic. Even if antibodies drop after 6-8 months or whatever immunity period was claimed in the past, there are T and B memory cells. Is there research on that? Because, again from that article, SARS-CoV-1 immunity is at least 17 years. While current SARS isn't the same virus genetically, it defies common logic/understanding that once we recover from some infection, we shouldn't encounter it as bad as the 1st time, so it should be milder or without symptoms. I'm just interested in more thorough research on this. A lot of time has passed since original COVID outbreak in Wuhan, China. Surely, we have enough people with 1,5 years since they got infected, so test them? I think that the first people infected would still have moderate to good immunity to the original strain. The trouble is that the original strain doesn't really exist any more in most places around the world so you'd have the slow loss of immunity over time and a weaker response to some of the newer strains. | ||
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Slydie
1975 Posts
On August 15 2021 07:09 SC-Shield wrote: "Similar threat" isn't what our immune system understands as far as I know. I remember reading Bill Gates' take on this and he was talking about common cold as an example. In terms of boosters, this article suggests one may be needed within 12 months, so let's say after 1 year of second dose. However, I'm still skeptical regarding this topic. Even if antibodies drop after 6-8 months or whatever immunity period was claimed in the past, there are T and B memory cells. Is there research on that? Because, again from that article, SARS-CoV-1 immunity is at least 17 years. While current SARS isn't the same virus genetically, it defies common logic/understanding that once we recover from some infection, we shouldn't encounter it as bad as the 1st time, so it should be milder or without symptoms. I'm just interested in more thorough research on this. A lot of time has passed since original COVID outbreak in Wuhan, China. Surely, we have enough people with 1,5 years since they got infected, so test them? What would Bill Gates know about that? For the Spanish flu, it is a common theory that the younger population was more vulnerable to it as they were less like to have faced a similar virus, possibly decades ago. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/why-did-1918-flu-kill-so-many-otherwise-healthy-young-adults-180967178/ For Covid, nobody has faced something similar before, but if SARS had gotten around more, the situation might have been different. Long term, it would have been a great strategy to let the first strain of Covid-19 infect as many youngsters as possible, as they practically did not get sympthoms, and would have gained protection against future strains as well. I understand why this wasn't the preferred strategy, of course. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46203 Posts
On August 15 2021 15:31 Slydie wrote: What would Bill Gates know about that? For the Spanish flu, it is a common theory that the younger population was more vulnerable to it as they were less like to have faced a similar virus, possibly decades ago. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/why-did-1918-flu-kill-so-many-otherwise-healthy-young-adults-180967178/ For Covid, nobody has faced something similar before, but if SARS had gotten around more, the situation might have been different. Long term, it would have been a great strategy to let the first strain of Covid-19 infect as many youngsters as possible, as they practically did not get sympthoms, and would have gained protection against future strains as well. I understand why this wasn't the preferred strategy, of course. Wouldn't that only be a decent strategy if those children never interacted with any adults during their infection period? Since most children presumably live in households with parents, they would all have needed to be removed from their homes for two weeks and kept in isolation, right? | ||
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Slydie
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On August 15 2021 19:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Wouldn't that only be a decent strategy if those children never interacted with any adults during their infection period? Since most children presumably live in households with parents, they would all have needed to be removed from their homes for two weeks and kept in isolation, right? Small children infected with the first strain did not pass the virus on much. Alpha and especially Delta are different afaik. It would not be a good strategy for adults, and an awful one for the elderly and weak. We just don't accept losing 0,5-2% of the population to ensure immunity for future generations, but if vaccines were not a thing, that would really be our only option. This is a reason why I have a very hard time understanding anti-vaxxers. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18356 Posts
On August 15 2021 22:00 Slydie wrote: Small children infected with the first strain did not pass the virus on much. Alpha and especially Delta are different afaik. It would not be a good strategy for adults, and an awful one for the elderly and weak. We just don't accept losing 0,5-2% of the population to ensure immunity for future generations, but if vaccines were not a thing, that would really be our only option. This is a reason why I have a very hard time understanding anti-vaxxers. There's also the risk of a mutation popping up when you're mass infecting your younger population. Delta didn't pop up because it was under control. It popped up because it was out of control. Lots of sick means lots of opportunities for random mutations to make the disease worse... | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4427 Posts
It’s not from a trusted source like CNN or Bloomberg so can’t be confirmed 100% at this time.Possibly could be reported here in the next few days. https://www.hindustantimes.com/videos/world-news/afghanistan-taliban-bans-covid-vaccine-in-paktia-say-reports-101628875018289-amp.html Afghanistan: Taliban bans Covid vaccine in Paktia, say reports | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46203 Posts
On August 16 2021 09:45 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Claims that now the Taliban has retaken Afghanistan they have banned Covid vaccines.This article post on the huge subreddit /worldnews has 24k upvotes https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/p49o9i/afghanistan_taliban_imposes_ban_on_corona/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_title It’s not from a trusted source like CNN or Bloomberg so can’t be confirmed 100% at this time.Possibly could be reported here in the next few days. Assuming it's true, what do you think the motivation is for banning covid vaccines? Do they just want everyone to die? | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On August 16 2021 09:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Assuming it's true, what do you think the motivation is for banning covid vaccines? Do they just want everyone to die? Fake vaccine clinics were used to find Bin Laden | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4427 Posts
On August 16 2021 09:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Assuming it's true, what do you think the motivation is for banning covid vaccines? Do they just want everyone to die? The Taliban previously banned polio vaccine teams because they feared the vaccination teams were spies, see : https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/08/afghan-taliban-bans-polio-vaccination-teams-southern-helmand-province But could just be because they are religious fanatics and believe the vaccine is against their religion.If the reports are true, then more info should come out over next few days. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On August 16 2021 11:16 JimmiC wrote: Maybe this will help get vaccine use up in taliban controlled world like the US. The taliban banned it so you should do it, might be a lot more.convicing to many hold outs than that viralogists say its good. Look at the list of things the Taliban is changing (abortion, gay rights etc). Republicans don't mind agreeing with them lol | ||
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