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Haha, thx for the "derailing" :D
Yeah, I admit, I get a little emotional sometimes! But it is a heated debate! Like a boxing match: Yes, there can be a hard hit to the liver, but I try to not hit below the belt. Also I didn't bring a baseball bat  As long as it is like that, I think it is fine!
But for cooling down just a "neutral" thing
On August 13 2021 20:06 Harris1st wrote:Afaik it's not mandatory. You just can't go to school without it  But I may be wrong there.
Hm, could be! But a teacher that is not allowed to go to school maybe has a problem 
And for kids, also have to read some "fineprint" if there is a "loophole" with private schools! We have compulsory schooling, so it isn't easy to get out of this!
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On August 13 2021 23:22 Geisterkarle wrote:Haha, thx for the "derailing" :D Yeah, I admit, I get a little emotional sometimes! But it is a heated debate! Like a boxing match: Yes, there can be a hard hit to the liver, but I try to not hit below the belt. Also I didn't bring a baseball bat As long as it is like that, I think it is fine! But for cooling down just a "neutral" thing Show nested quote +On August 13 2021 20:06 Harris1st wrote:Afaik it's not mandatory. You just can't go to school without it But I may be wrong there. Hm, could be! But a teacher that is not allowed to go to school maybe has a problem And for kids, also have to read some "fineprint" if there is a "loophole" with private schools! We have compulsory schooling, so it isn't easy to get out of this!
Could you please elaborate more on the school options in Germany? I'm in the United States so I don't know exactly how foreign schooling is set up, but here in the United States, all public school children (and adults working in the public school system) must have the appropriate vaccinations. School is compulsory here as well, and if a family refuses to vaccinate their schoolchildren (or complete whatever other mandatory prerequisites there are), they simply won't be allowed to send their children to public school, despite it being compulsory, because they'd be putting other people at risk. There are other options available to those families - private schools, homeschooling, etc. - and as far as a teacher's "problem" is concerned, well... they wouldn't be hired in the first place. (Employment at these public schools doesn't just include interviews and background checks, but is also conditioned upon completing, and proof of, the prerequisite vaccines too.) Is this pretty similar to what happens in Germany? I would assume that if an employer wants to require a vaccination - especially during a global pandemic - they could turn away a potential employee who refuses to get that shot, and give the job to someone else who is willing to check that box off too.
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Something interesting is happening in Florida right now. Infections have been going up since roughly late June, and deaths have followed not soon after. But since a little under two weeks deaths have kept going down, while infections have continued to go up to unprecedented numbers.
I've never seen this before anywhere else.
It may be too soon to say anything for certain, but I think this is worth keeping an eye on.
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On August 13 2021 23:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2021 23:22 Geisterkarle wrote:Haha, thx for the "derailing" :D Yeah, I admit, I get a little emotional sometimes! But it is a heated debate! Like a boxing match: Yes, there can be a hard hit to the liver, but I try to not hit below the belt. Also I didn't bring a baseball bat As long as it is like that, I think it is fine! But for cooling down just a "neutral" thing On August 13 2021 20:06 Harris1st wrote:Afaik it's not mandatory. You just can't go to school without it But I may be wrong there. Hm, could be! But a teacher that is not allowed to go to school maybe has a problem And for kids, also have to read some "fineprint" if there is a "loophole" with private schools! We have compulsory schooling, so it isn't easy to get out of this! Could you please elaborate more on the school options in Germany? I'm in the United States so I don't know exactly how foreign schooling is set up, but here in the United States, all public school children (and adults working in the public school system) must have the appropriate vaccinations. School is compulsory here as well, and if a family refuses to vaccinate their schoolchildren (or complete whatever other mandatory prerequisites there are), they simply won't be allowed to send their children to public school, despite it being compulsory, because they'd be putting other people at risk. There are other options available to those families - private schools, homeschooling, etc. - and as far as a teacher's "problem" is concerned, well... they wouldn't be hired in the first place. (Employment at these public schools doesn't just include interviews and background checks, but is also conditioned upon completing, and proof of, the prerequisite vaccines too.) Is this pretty similar to what happens in Germany? I would assume that if an employer wants to require a vaccination - especially during a global pandemic - they could turn away a potential employee who refuses to get that shot, and give the job to someone else who is willing to check that box off too.
It is very similar here!
I think the big difference are the teachers! While there are changes going on in the later years, most teachers in public schools(!) are public servants! ... and I hope that is the correct translation. They are basically appointed by the government _for life_ (similar to tenure)! So it is not easy to throw them out! Maybe the (not) vaccination is a reason for it... I have a few friends that are teachers, maybe I can find out more ... or read some laws
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On August 14 2021 00:10 Geisterkarle wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2021 23:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 13 2021 23:22 Geisterkarle wrote:Haha, thx for the "derailing" :D Yeah, I admit, I get a little emotional sometimes! But it is a heated debate! Like a boxing match: Yes, there can be a hard hit to the liver, but I try to not hit below the belt. Also I didn't bring a baseball bat As long as it is like that, I think it is fine! But for cooling down just a "neutral" thing On August 13 2021 20:06 Harris1st wrote:Afaik it's not mandatory. You just can't go to school without it But I may be wrong there. Hm, could be! But a teacher that is not allowed to go to school maybe has a problem And for kids, also have to read some "fineprint" if there is a "loophole" with private schools! We have compulsory schooling, so it isn't easy to get out of this! Could you please elaborate more on the school options in Germany? I'm in the United States so I don't know exactly how foreign schooling is set up, but here in the United States, all public school children (and adults working in the public school system) must have the appropriate vaccinations. School is compulsory here as well, and if a family refuses to vaccinate their schoolchildren (or complete whatever other mandatory prerequisites there are), they simply won't be allowed to send their children to public school, despite it being compulsory, because they'd be putting other people at risk. There are other options available to those families - private schools, homeschooling, etc. - and as far as a teacher's "problem" is concerned, well... they wouldn't be hired in the first place. (Employment at these public schools doesn't just include interviews and background checks, but is also conditioned upon completing, and proof of, the prerequisite vaccines too.) Is this pretty similar to what happens in Germany? I would assume that if an employer wants to require a vaccination - especially during a global pandemic - they could turn away a potential employee who refuses to get that shot, and give the job to someone else who is willing to check that box off too. It is very similar here! I think the big difference are the teachers! While there are changes going on in the later years, most teachers in public schools(!) are public servants! ... and I hope that is the correct translation. They are basically appointed by the government _for life_ (similar to tenure)! So it is not easy to throw them out! Maybe the (not) vaccination is a reason for it... I have a few friends that are teachers, maybe I can find out more ... or read some laws
Thanks for the clarification! Our tenure process here in the United States is a far cry from "for life"; it merely requires more documentation before firing a teacher, and the first ~4 years or so of teaching (when they're non-tenured) is simply considered a trial period. That being said, in the United States, a teacher would almost certainly be fired if it were found out they had hidden information regarding *not* being vaccinated (or not fulfilling the other duties related to public safety/health), whether that teacher was tenured or not. I hope that both public schools and private businesses apply strong enough pressure to incentivize the general public to get vaccinated, as that can help create a social/cultural shift that could even be more effective than legislation (though I'm all for trying to pass legislation that can help us get through this pandemic too).
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The ball's rolling now in Canada. Get vaccinated soon or you cannot fly or use a train. Also, all public sector employees must get vaccinated. It paves the way for the requirement in many private sector businesses as well. There'll obviously be holdouts but the number's going to be small.
Federal government to require vaccinations for all federal public servants, air and train passengers
The vaccine will be mandatory for federal employees and those working in some federally regulated industries (airlines and railways, among others) in an effort to boost stalled vaccination rates. The government says it also "expects" that other employers in federally regulated sectors — like banking, broadcasting and telecommunication — will require vaccination for their employees.
There are more than 300,000 federal public servants and hundreds of thousands more people are working in industries that fall under the federal labour code.
Starting soon, all commercial air travellers and passengers on interprovincial trains and large marine vessels with overnight accommodations (such as cruise ships) will have to be vaccinated, Alghabra said. He said accommodations will be made for "those few who are unable to be vaccinated," such as testing and screening.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/federal-government-mandatory-vaccinations-1.6140131
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I put my summer holiday on standby to make sure I got my 2 shots ASAP. It felt GREAT to finally ge it done, it was a small sacrifice compared to several much tougher measures.
Spain is doing a minimum 3-week interval between the dosis, for protection against Delta, it might be a good strategy, but who and when to vaccinate should be researched in the future. I am crossing my fingers that Spain will be one of the first big countries to finally beat COVID and return to the real normal life, with the inevitable crazy partying.
I have come across 3 antivaxxers in my circles, but I haven't taken up the debate with any of them as it feels like debating religion.
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Spain is doing quite well, their vaccination rate doesn't seem to have slowed down yet, it's been a steady rise for the last few months. You're above Canada which was the benchmark for quite some time, and on track to continue for some time to come. Portugal/Spain/Denmark are going to be the countries to watch for whether or not herd immunity is possible, and what level of restrictions is needed to keep spread down.
It's still very much a pandemic of the unvaccinated, despite all the fearmongering. Ontario releases a lot of data and from that you can generate some pretty good conclusions. Once you're fully vax'd there's little to fear.
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You are making up 2 + boosters a year to try to prove a stupid point?
Yes business owners make rules to keep their other customers happy. It is like night clubs with metal detectors that won't even let legal guns in. Safety and the perception of safety is important to their paying customers. Who far out number the people who fear well tested and effective vaccines.
Say it ain't so nettles you want the government to regulate business on who they can let in?
How am i making up two boosters a year? Are you denying that the vaccines lose effectiveness after a few months? Australian government has ordered 60 million pfizer boosters for next year and already 25 million for 2023! https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-25/australia-secures-millions-of-pfizer-covid19-booster-shots/100321632
Plus 15 million Moderna next year as boosters
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7251343/will-we-all-need-a-vaccine-booster/
Now we’ve had this conversation before, yet again, but it is government not individual business pushing the vaccine passports.I gave my Australian example of that with the mandated QR codes (precursor to vaccine pass) but how about France?
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210725-french-parliament-set-to-adopt-vaccine-passports-law-after-protests
President Emmanuel Macron last week ordered that the health pass -- proof of full vaccination or a negative test -- would be required for the French to visit venues such as a cinema or nightclub and ultimately bars and restaurants.
The announcement was a move by Macron to make vaccinations the top weapon against Covid-19 as new variants emerge, essentially requiring people to become vaccinated if they want to continue daily routines.
So like i said before this is Govt policy in many places.If vaccinated people feel unsafe around unvaccinated people then maybe they should have more faith in the vaccines.
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On August 14 2021 07:54 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +
You are making up 2 + boosters a year to try to prove a stupid point?
Yes business owners make rules to keep their other customers happy. It is like night clubs with metal detectors that won't even let legal guns in. Safety and the perception of safety is important to their paying customers. Who far out number the people who fear well tested and effective vaccines.
Say it ain't so nettles you want the government to regulate business on who they can let in?
How am i making up two boosters a year? Are you denying that the vaccines lose effectiveness after a few months? Australian government has ordered 60 million pfizer boosters for next year and already 25 million for 2023! https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-25/australia-secures-millions-of-pfizer-covid19-booster-shots/100321632Plus 15 million Moderna next year as boosters https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7251343/will-we-all-need-a-vaccine-booster/Now we’ve had this conversation before, yet again, but it is government not individual business pushing the vaccine passports.I gave my Australian example of that with the mandated QR codes (precursor to vaccine pass) but how about France? https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210725-french-parliament-set-to-adopt-vaccine-passports-law-after-protestsShow nested quote +President Emmanuel Macron last week ordered that the health pass -- proof of full vaccination or a negative test -- would be required for the French to visit venues such as a cinema or nightclub and ultimately bars and restaurants.
The announcement was a move by Macron to make vaccinations the top weapon against Covid-19 as new variants emerge, essentially requiring people to become vaccinated if they want to continue daily routines. So like i said before this is Govt policy in many places.If vaccinated people feel unsafe around unvaccinated people then maybe they should have more faith in the vaccines.
Question isn't if vaccinated people have faith in their vaccine. I have faith in the one I've taken, but the fact that even vaccinated people have a chance to get infected. Granted, it will be a mild one for the majority but they may still transmit COVID to unvaccinated people. And this is where things get scary because unvaccinated people statistically have a higher chance to end up with complications and ICU (check tweet above).
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On August 14 2021 09:11 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2021 07:54 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
You are making up 2 + boosters a year to try to prove a stupid point?
Yes business owners make rules to keep their other customers happy. It is like night clubs with metal detectors that won't even let legal guns in. Safety and the perception of safety is important to their paying customers. Who far out number the people who fear well tested and effective vaccines.
Say it ain't so nettles you want the government to regulate business on who they can let in?
How am i making up two boosters a year? Are you denying that the vaccines lose effectiveness after a few months? Australian government has ordered 60 million pfizer boosters for next year and already 25 million for 2023! https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-25/australia-secures-millions-of-pfizer-covid19-booster-shots/100321632Plus 15 million Moderna next year as boosters https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7251343/will-we-all-need-a-vaccine-booster/Now we’ve had this conversation before, yet again, but it is government not individual business pushing the vaccine passports.I gave my Australian example of that with the mandated QR codes (precursor to vaccine pass) but how about France? https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210725-french-parliament-set-to-adopt-vaccine-passports-law-after-protestsPresident Emmanuel Macron last week ordered that the health pass -- proof of full vaccination or a negative test -- would be required for the French to visit venues such as a cinema or nightclub and ultimately bars and restaurants.
The announcement was a move by Macron to make vaccinations the top weapon against Covid-19 as new variants emerge, essentially requiring people to become vaccinated if they want to continue daily routines. So like i said before this is Govt policy in many places.If vaccinated people feel unsafe around unvaccinated people then maybe they should have more faith in the vaccines. So because Australia is ordering boosters for next year, a year after, you think that means there will be 2 or more boosters per year? I think you may want to check your math. If people like you would just get the vaccine instead of make up reasons why not too there would be so many less problems.
They've got 75 million boosters on order for next year, with a population of 20 million or so 16+, so to suggest 2 boosters a year really isn't that crazy an idea especially if they are already ordering tens of millions of further boosters for two years away.
I'm not planning on getting the vaccine yet, I will wait and see what happens.But that is all academic since my age group is not eligible for the vaccine here yet anyway (I think they are starting bookings next week), there are plenty here who want it but have not been eligible to get it.
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On August 14 2021 10:11 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2021 10:00 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On August 14 2021 09:11 JimmiC wrote:On August 14 2021 07:54 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
You are making up 2 + boosters a year to try to prove a stupid point?
Yes business owners make rules to keep their other customers happy. It is like night clubs with metal detectors that won't even let legal guns in. Safety and the perception of safety is important to their paying customers. Who far out number the people who fear well tested and effective vaccines.
Say it ain't so nettles you want the government to regulate business on who they can let in?
How am i making up two boosters a year? Are you denying that the vaccines lose effectiveness after a few months? Australian government has ordered 60 million pfizer boosters for next year and already 25 million for 2023! https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-25/australia-secures-millions-of-pfizer-covid19-booster-shots/100321632Plus 15 million Moderna next year as boosters https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7251343/will-we-all-need-a-vaccine-booster/Now we’ve had this conversation before, yet again, but it is government not individual business pushing the vaccine passports.I gave my Australian example of that with the mandated QR codes (precursor to vaccine pass) but how about France? https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210725-french-parliament-set-to-adopt-vaccine-passports-law-after-protestsPresident Emmanuel Macron last week ordered that the health pass -- proof of full vaccination or a negative test -- would be required for the French to visit venues such as a cinema or nightclub and ultimately bars and restaurants.
The announcement was a move by Macron to make vaccinations the top weapon against Covid-19 as new variants emerge, essentially requiring people to become vaccinated if they want to continue daily routines. So like i said before this is Govt policy in many places.If vaccinated people feel unsafe around unvaccinated people then maybe they should have more faith in the vaccines. So because Australia is ordering boosters for next year, a year after, you think that means there will be 2 or more boosters per year? I think you may want to check your math. If people like you would just get the vaccine instead of make up reasons why not too there would be so many less problems. They've got 75 million boosters on order for next year, with a population of 20 million or so 16+, so to suggest 2 boosters a year really isn't that crazy an idea especially if they are already ordering tens of millions of further boosters for two years away. I'm not planning on getting the vaccine yet, I will wait and see what happens.But that is all academic since my age group is not eligible for the vaccine here yet anyway (I think they are starting it next week), there are plenty here who want it but have not been eligible to get it. I just looked it up. And it is enough so everyone can get a booster if they need it. Meaning one not 2+ a year. Also, he is probably getting ahead of himself and going overboard since he is getting killed (figuratively) for not getting enough original vaccine ordered. As you mention there is a supply issue, making sure he does not have a future one does not mean they are planning to force people. And the 2+ thing a year is just silly you should have just said you exaggerating for effect or something. That you are trying to argue it is nuts. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-25/australia-secures-millions-of-pfizer-covid19-booster-shots/100321632
I anticipate twice yearly boosters because i expect 'vaccine resistant' strains to appear.You see already they are recommending boosters for people against the delta variant.Studies are coming out showing the Lambda variant may be even more vaccine resistant than the Delta.... So we've seen a vaccine resistant strain emerge in a poorer country, you call to vaccinate everyone in the USA, say it happens, and then a resistant strain like Lambda comes along, requiring us to restart the lockdown/restriction/booster cycle again? No thanks.
https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/medical-advances/567771-study-says-new-lambda-variant-could-be-vaccine
The lambda variant, a COVID-19 mutation first identified in Peru that is quickly popping up worldwide, has been highlighted by governing bodies like the World Health Organizations (WHO) as a variant of interest. But a new study suggests that it may be resistant to some vaccines.
Using data from the Global Initiative on Sharing All Influenza Data database, researchers found three mutations within the lambda spike protein that could mean resistance to antibodies induced in humans by vaccines.
“Our results suggest that the resistance of the Lambda variant against antiviral humoral immunity was conferred by the RSYLTPGD246-253N mutation,” the report concludes.
The RSYLTPGD246-253N mutation, along with two other mutations identified when synthesizing the COVID-19 samples, specifically resists immunity from antibodies generated by the human body.
So in a situation where the Lambda variant is the next wave, early next year or something, then yes i expect there to be calls for new boosters to combat it.So they've ordered 75 million boosters for next year for a population of 20 million 16+, time will tell if they ship 40+ million of those to poorer countries or mandate them for use against a variant outbreak later next year.
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On August 14 2021 07:54 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +
You are making up 2 + boosters a year to try to prove a stupid point?
Yes business owners make rules to keep their other customers happy. It is like night clubs with metal detectors that won't even let legal guns in. Safety and the perception of safety is important to their paying customers. Who far out number the people who fear well tested and effective vaccines.
Say it ain't so nettles you want the government to regulate business on who they can let in?
How am i making up two boosters a year? Are you denying that the vaccines lose effectiveness after a few months? Australian government has ordered 60 million pfizer boosters for next year and already 25 million for 2023! https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-25/australia-secures-millions-of-pfizer-covid19-booster-shots/100321632Plus 15 million Moderna next year as boosters https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7251343/will-we-all-need-a-vaccine-booster/Now we’ve had this conversation before, yet again, but it is government not individual business pushing the vaccine passports.I gave my Australian example of that with the mandated QR codes (precursor to vaccine pass) but how about France? https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210725-french-parliament-set-to-adopt-vaccine-passports-law-after-protestsShow nested quote +President Emmanuel Macron last week ordered that the health pass -- proof of full vaccination or a negative test -- would be required for the French to visit venues such as a cinema or nightclub and ultimately bars and restaurants.
The announcement was a move by Macron to make vaccinations the top weapon against Covid-19 as new variants emerge, essentially requiring people to become vaccinated if they want to continue daily routines. So like i said before this is Govt policy in many places.If vaccinated people feel unsafe around unvaccinated people then maybe they should have more faith in the vaccines.
"Having more faith" in vaccines is stupid. You're creating stupid arguments. Vaccines are not intended to be an end all solution so that people never get sick or never die. Vaccines help your body build robust immunity. You can still die, you can still get sick, but you'll do better. Stop peddling the same garbage people have corrected you on before.
You're the same dude who was wailing about Uranium One and lots of other dumb bullshit. Your track record is truly awful.
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On August 14 2021 11:40 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2021 10:22 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On August 14 2021 10:11 JimmiC wrote:On August 14 2021 10:00 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On August 14 2021 09:11 JimmiC wrote:On August 14 2021 07:54 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
You are making up 2 + boosters a year to try to prove a stupid point?
Yes business owners make rules to keep their other customers happy. It is like night clubs with metal detectors that won't even let legal guns in. Safety and the perception of safety is important to their paying customers. Who far out number the people who fear well tested and effective vaccines.
Say it ain't so nettles you want the government to regulate business on who they can let in?
How am i making up two boosters a year? Are you denying that the vaccines lose effectiveness after a few months? Australian government has ordered 60 million pfizer boosters for next year and already 25 million for 2023! https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-25/australia-secures-millions-of-pfizer-covid19-booster-shots/100321632Plus 15 million Moderna next year as boosters https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7251343/will-we-all-need-a-vaccine-booster/Now we’ve had this conversation before, yet again, but it is government not individual business pushing the vaccine passports.I gave my Australian example of that with the mandated QR codes (precursor to vaccine pass) but how about France? https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210725-french-parliament-set-to-adopt-vaccine-passports-law-after-protestsPresident Emmanuel Macron last week ordered that the health pass -- proof of full vaccination or a negative test -- would be required for the French to visit venues such as a cinema or nightclub and ultimately bars and restaurants.
The announcement was a move by Macron to make vaccinations the top weapon against Covid-19 as new variants emerge, essentially requiring people to become vaccinated if they want to continue daily routines. So like i said before this is Govt policy in many places.If vaccinated people feel unsafe around unvaccinated people then maybe they should have more faith in the vaccines. So because Australia is ordering boosters for next year, a year after, you think that means there will be 2 or more boosters per year? I think you may want to check your math. If people like you would just get the vaccine instead of make up reasons why not too there would be so many less problems. They've got 75 million boosters on order for next year, with a population of 20 million or so 16+, so to suggest 2 boosters a year really isn't that crazy an idea especially if they are already ordering tens of millions of further boosters for two years away. I'm not planning on getting the vaccine yet, I will wait and see what happens.But that is all academic since my age group is not eligible for the vaccine here yet anyway (I think they are starting it next week), there are plenty here who want it but have not been eligible to get it. I just looked it up. And it is enough so everyone can get a booster if they need it. Meaning one not 2+ a year. Also, he is probably getting ahead of himself and going overboard since he is getting killed (figuratively) for not getting enough original vaccine ordered. As you mention there is a supply issue, making sure he does not have a future one does not mean they are planning to force people. And the 2+ thing a year is just silly you should have just said you exaggerating for effect or something. That you are trying to argue it is nuts. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-25/australia-secures-millions-of-pfizer-covid19-booster-shots/100321632 I anticipate twice yearly boosters because i expect 'vaccine resistant' strains to appear.You see already they are recommending boosters for people against the delta variant.Studies are coming out showing the Lambda variant may be even more vaccine resistant than the Delta.... So we've seen a vaccine resistant strain emerge in a poorer country, you call to vaccinate everyone in the USA, say it happens, and then a resistant strain like Lambda comes along, requiring us to restart the lockdown/restriction/booster cycle again? No thanks. https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/medical-advances/567771-study-says-new-lambda-variant-could-be-vaccine
The lambda variant, a COVID-19 mutation first identified in Peru that is quickly popping up worldwide, has been highlighted by governing bodies like the World Health Organizations (WHO) as a variant of interest. But a new study suggests that it may be resistant to some vaccines.
Using data from the Global Initiative on Sharing All Influenza Data database, researchers found three mutations within the lambda spike protein that could mean resistance to antibodies induced in humans by vaccines.
“Our results suggest that the resistance of the Lambda variant against antiviral humoral immunity was conferred by the RSYLTPGD246-253N mutation,” the report concludes.
The RSYLTPGD246-253N mutation, along with two other mutations identified when synthesizing the COVID-19 samples, specifically resists immunity from antibodies generated by the human body.
So in a situation where the Lambda variant is the next wave, early next year or something, then yes i expect there to be calls for new boosters to combat it.So they've ordered 75 million boosters for next year for a population of 20 million 16+, time will tell if they ship 40+ million of those to poorer countries or mandate them for use against a variant outbreak later next year. Ill make you a bet. If australia requires 2 or more boosters in 2022 ill take a year long ban. If they dont you take a month. Deal?
Just FYI, people getting a booster in early January and mid december is totally reasonable lol. There would be nothing weird if that happened. 3rd dose of generic pfizer is good vs delta. If there is a delta or other specific booster later in 2022, it would not be surprising. It is similar to the flu. There could be different boosters.
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