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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Dan HH
Romania9248 Posts
On July 14 2021 01:48 JimmiC wrote: Is this Romania? When I look it up they still look very low. I have not followed it so I have no clue. Could it be variant related? Most of the upswings are. There's no upswing, I guess I wrote that in a confusing manner. We went from a lot of cases to virtually none while it was still cold and very few were vaccinated. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Dan HH
Romania9248 Posts
On July 14 2021 02:01 JimmiC wrote: Oh gotcha, well that is awesome. Was there government measures or was everything open? We had ours drop dramatically before vaccines (then go back up sadly) but it was pretty drastic measures that brought them down. There were measures, but not as drastic as in the previous year. It doesn't really make sense that we're doing so much better than last summer. We'll see if there's gonna be another resurgence, it's difficult for authorities to convince people to get vaccinated now that there's no cases. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On July 14 2021 02:16 Dan HH wrote: There were measures, but not as drastic as in the previous year. It doesn't really make sense that we're doing so much better than last summer. We'll see if there's gonna be another resurgence, it's difficult for authorities to convince people to get vaccinated now that there's no cases. Meanwhile, somewhere near the equator, some of my dear friends are suffering in a country which just hit peak infection after weeks of lockdown and vaccination program in overdrive (mostly AZ). If such weird trend continues, no surprise people starts questioning about the logic of everything... | ||
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Simberto
Germany12038 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
The only thing that's clear though is that vaccinations make a huge difference in keeping numbers down, and muting waves. I got my second shot yesterday (Pfizer/Pfizer), no side effects other than a sore arm, so I'm quite happy. My neighbourhood is around 87% of all eligible individuals (12+) vaccinated with at least the first dose which is enough to comfortably say the pandemic is over for me, given that I don't plan to travel this year. There's sporadic cases, but no sustained transmission anywhere in the metro Vancouver area. It probably won't go to zero until we can get the kids at the end of summer, or early fall. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On July 14 2021 03:52 farvacola wrote: Other than a slight, hard to describe feeling, I had no side effects from either shot of Pfizer. YMMV Indeed, my immune system was more efficient at producing side effects than yours :-D In contrast to cars that's not necessarily something good tho? Not sure whether there's a connection between immune response and longevity / effectiveness of immunisation. | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
On July 14 2021 04:03 Artisreal wrote: Indeed, my immune system was more efficient at producing side effects than yours :-D In contrast to cars that's not necessarily something good tho? Not sure whether there's a connection between immune response and longevity / effectiveness of immunisation. The connection between side effects and efficacy is not well understood, but we do know that side effects indicate an immune response, which is definitely a good thing. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
side effects indicate an overreaction of the immune system. (there are more ways of detecting covid, not just the spike protein that's in the vaccine. so ones immune systems "sees" the spike, checks for other signs of covid, sees nothing, then goes - ok, this is a fake and chills. others' immune systems sees the spikes and goes ZOMFG!, i'm being killed right now, then goes overboard on everything, somewhat killing the body in the process.) + Show Spoiler + the(...)parenthesis part may or may not be an invention ... pending further studies. | ||
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
Well, old saying "correlation doesn't mean causation". But if you look at this plot of Infections in Germany: ![[image loading]](https://www.dkriesel.com/_media/coronaplot-germany.png) "Starting" in October and Fall/Winter we got more and more infections and cases. German bureaucracy doesn't really work around Christmas/New Year, so the plot looks wonky there... but mid January cases went down - and the temperatures got up! I have my birthday in February and was quite happy to run around in a T-Shirt and because cases were down I didn't even had to "bend" some rules to invite two friends over for a little party or send them home early because of a curfew which was basically dropped a week before! After that "winter is coming"! And cases started to rise up again! There were a few "hot" days inbetween. Do you see the "drop" of new cases (blue line" basically at 1. April? I searched for a weather report for this day and the first google-hit was this (German) article that tells us, that 31. March had a new temperature record of 27,1°C! (calculate your Fahrenheit yourself  ) So... warm weather!? "After that" and a Peak in mid May, cases started to drop... and drop and drop! And the days were beautiful and warm and hot! We are down a lot! But around a week ago, cases started to rise again (not good to see there...) and we had a lot of storms and rain and floods (German, just look at the pictures) lately! So, overall ... could be nothing, could be much! But Covid is primarily an infection of your lungs and respiratory system. And if you ignore Covid and check numbers of last years and any virus that attacks the respiratory systems (flu/cold als primary damage dealers), you will see that much more people have problems with that in fall/winter! Summer is quite safe there! | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18473 Posts
On July 14 2021 17:52 Geisterkarle wrote: About the weather and Covid: Well, old saying "correlation doesn't mean causation". But if you look at this plot of Infections in Germany: "Starting" in October and Fall/Winter we got more and more infections and cases. German bureaucracy doesn't really work around Christmas/New Year, so the plot looks wonky there... but mid January cases went down - and the temperatures got up! I have my birthday in February and was quite happy to run around in a T-Shirt and because cases were down I didn't even had to "bend" some rules to invite two friends over for a little party or send them home early because of a curfew which was basically dropped a week before! After that "winter is coming"! And cases started to rise up again! There were a few "hot" days inbetween. Do you see the "drop" of new cases (blue line" basically at 1. April? I searched for a weather report for this day and the first google-hit was this (German) article that tells us, that 31. March had a new temperature record of 27,1°C! (calculate your Fahrenheit yourself ) So... warm weather!? "After that" and a Peak in mid May, cases started to drop... and drop and drop! And the days were beautiful and warm and hot! We are down a lot! But around a week ago, cases started to rise again (not good to see there...) and we had a lot of storms and rain and floods (German, just look at the pictures) lately! So, overall ... could be nothing, could be much! But Covid is primarily an infection of your lungs and respiratory system. And if you ignore Covid and check numbers of last years and any virus that attacks the respiratory systems (flu/cold als primary damage dealers), you will see that much more people have problems with that in fall/winter! Summer is quite safe there! I think it is more likely to be correlated with behaviour which is influenced by the weather than the weather itself. If temperature had such a strong effect on the virus' survival, Brazil, India and Indonesia wouldn't be hotbeds for the virus. These are countries where winters are extremely mild (or non-existent), so if heat killed the virus (or reduced its chances of infection), they would be "safe" the year round. Rather, when it's nice weather people hang out outside, where the virus has a harder time to propagate, whereas in bad weather people go inside. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12038 Posts
On July 14 2021 19:11 Acrofales wrote: I think it is more likely to be correlated with behaviour which is influenced by the weather than the weather itself. If temperature had such a strong effect on the virus' survival, Brazil, India and Indonesia wouldn't be hotbeds for the virus. These are countries where winters are extremely mild (or non-existent), so if heat killed the virus (or reduced its chances of infection), they would be "safe" the year round. I think this is a very good point. There does seem to be some seasonal variation of what is going on, but as you stated, it can't really be explained through temperatures alone simply if you look at it globally. A summer in norway is colder than a winter in large parts of india or africa. Some countries don't even have winters, yet they still have corona. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46537 Posts
On July 14 2021 17:52 Geisterkarle wrote: About the weather and Covid: Well, old saying "correlation doesn't mean causation". But if you look at this plot of Infections in Germany: Just because two graphs are similar / line up nicely doesn't mean there's any causation. That's exactly the point that the phrase "correlation does not imply causation" is demonstrating. So, no "But". The graphs lining up demonstrates a correlation. There may be some additional lurking variables that are influencing both graphs, or it may be a complete coincidence, but drawing a causal link based on observational data, rather than rigorously controlled and randomized experimental data, is a general no-no. For further (humorous) examples, here is a list of correlations that are far closer than the one you're showing, but are obviously absurd relationships/comparisons: https://tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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