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FDA has attached a warning label to the J&J vaccine for Guillain-Barré syndrome, the same illness that the rushed 1976 swine flu vaccine was pulled for.
FDA adds new warning on Johnson & Johnson vaccine related to rare autoimmune disorder
The Food and Drug Administration announced a new warning for the Johnson & Johnson coronavirus vaccine on Monday, saying the shot has been linked to a serious but rare side effect called Guillain-Barré syndrome, in which the immune system attacks the nerves.
About 100 preliminary reports of Guillain-Barré have been detected in vaccine recipients after the administration of 12.8 million doses of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine in the United States, according to a companion statement from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which monitors vaccine safety systems with the FDA. Of these reports, 95 were serious and required hospitalization, the FDA statement said. There was one death. Neither agency provided details about the death.
The cases have largely been reported about two weeks after vaccination and mostly in men, many aged 50 and older, according to the CDC. Most people fully recover from Guillain-Barré
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/12/johnson-and-johnson-warning/#click=https://t.co/0IKAL0tc2Z
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On July 13 2021 09:07 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:FDA has attached a warning label to the J&J vaccine for Guillain-Barré syndrome, the same illness that the rushed 1976 swine flu vaccine was pulled for. Show nested quote +FDA adds new warning on Johnson & Johnson vaccine related to rare autoimmune disorder
The Food and Drug Administration announced a new warning for the Johnson & Johnson coronavirus vaccine on Monday, saying the shot has been linked to a serious but rare side effect called Guillain-Barré syndrome, in which the immune system attacks the nerves.
About 100 preliminary reports of Guillain-Barré have been detected in vaccine recipients after the administration of 12.8 million doses of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine in the United States, according to a companion statement from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which monitors vaccine safety systems with the FDA. Of these reports, 95 were serious and required hospitalization, the FDA statement said. There was one death. Neither agency provided details about the death.
The cases have largely been reported about two weeks after vaccination and mostly in men, many aged 50 and older, according to the CDC. Most people fully recover from Guillain-Barré https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/12/johnson-and-johnson-warning/#click=https://t.co/0IKAL0tc2Z
100 out of 12800000 people? If a percentage that negligible receives a warning, then the vaccines that don't need warnings are practically perfect! The chance of getting G-B from this vaccine is .0000078 and the chance of dying due to G-B from this vaccine is .000000078.
Edit: If we wanted to be logically consistent with the false dichotomy that anti-vaxxers use in terms of how dangerous getting covid is (how many people die vs. not die, rather than acknowledging that becoming sick and/or hospitalized are legitimate concerns too), the concern for G-B drops to just 1 out of 12.8 million, since there's only 1 death and the other 99 eventually recovered!
But in all seriousness, the fact that the FDA is concerned about something that has such an infinitesimal chance of occurring makes me even more confident that there's really not much to worry about with vaccines; surely they would have also called attention to other serious risks that were even more likely to occur.
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On July 13 2021 09:07 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:FDA has attached a warning label to the J&J vaccine for Guillain-Barré syndrome, the same illness that the rushed 1976 swine flu vaccine was pulled for. Show nested quote +FDA adds new warning on Johnson & Johnson vaccine related to rare autoimmune disorder
The Food and Drug Administration announced a new warning for the Johnson & Johnson coronavirus vaccine on Monday, saying the shot has been linked to a serious but rare side effect called Guillain-Barré syndrome, in which the immune system attacks the nerves.
About 100 preliminary reports of Guillain-Barré have been detected in vaccine recipients after the administration of 12.8 million doses of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine in the United States, according to a companion statement from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which monitors vaccine safety systems with the FDA. Of these reports, 95 were serious and required hospitalization, the FDA statement said. There was one death. Neither agency provided details about the death.
The cases have largely been reported about two weeks after vaccination and mostly in men, many aged 50 and older, according to the CDC. Most people fully recover from Guillain-Barré https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/12/johnson-and-johnson-warning/#click=https://t.co/0IKAL0tc2Z what's your opinion on it?
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yeah that is ridiculously low as far as "adverse effects" go...
I am gonna say it again, read ANY information leaflet that comes with your personal medication. preferably one you have been on for years. from top to bottom.
you might reconsider how "great the dangers" of those vaccines are. media companies tend to turn molehills into the Everest. if you are actually not sure - still - then consult your doctor. or another doctor you trust over that one lol.
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On July 13 2021 20:22 Doublemint wrote:
yeah that is ridiculously low as far as "adverse effects" go...
I am gonna say it again, read ANY information leaflet that comes with your personal medication. preferably one you have been on for years. from top to bottom.
you might reconsider how "great the dangers" of those vaccines are. media companies tend to turn molehills into the Everest. if you are actually not sure - still - then consult your doctor. or another doctor you trust over that one lol.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/guillain-barre-syndrome.html
I don't think this alone is enough to consider J&J as too dangerous to be worth using, unless one thinks the same way about flu vaccines (which according to some studies may cause 1-2 additional GBS cases per million doses). Honestly, I think it is still absolutely worth taking J&J compared to no vaccine but I wouldn't begrudge people who are super risk-averse and would prefer to wait for Moderna/Pfizer over AZ/J&J.
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On July 13 2021 12:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2021 09:07 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:FDA has attached a warning label to the J&J vaccine for Guillain-Barré syndrome, the same illness that the rushed 1976 swine flu vaccine was pulled for. FDA adds new warning on Johnson & Johnson vaccine related to rare autoimmune disorder
The Food and Drug Administration announced a new warning for the Johnson & Johnson coronavirus vaccine on Monday, saying the shot has been linked to a serious but rare side effect called Guillain-Barré syndrome, in which the immune system attacks the nerves.
About 100 preliminary reports of Guillain-Barré have been detected in vaccine recipients after the administration of 12.8 million doses of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine in the United States, according to a companion statement from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which monitors vaccine safety systems with the FDA. Of these reports, 95 were serious and required hospitalization, the FDA statement said. There was one death. Neither agency provided details about the death.
The cases have largely been reported about two weeks after vaccination and mostly in men, many aged 50 and older, according to the CDC. Most people fully recover from Guillain-Barré https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/12/johnson-and-johnson-warning/#click=https://t.co/0IKAL0tc2Z 100 out of 12800000 people? If a percentage that negligible receives a warning, then the vaccines that don't need warnings are practically perfect! The chance of getting G-B from this vaccine is .0000078 and the chance of dying due to G-B from this vaccine is .000000078. Edit: If we wanted to use logic consistent with the false dichotomy that anti-vaxxers use in terms of how dangerous getting covid is (how many people die vs. not die, rather than acknowledging that becoming sick and/or hospitalized are legitimate concerns too), the concern for G-B drops to just 1 out of 12.8 million, since there's only 1 death and the other 99 eventually recovered! But in all seriousness, the fact that the FDA is concerned about something that has such an infinitesimal chance of occurring makes me even more confident that there's really not much to worry about with vaccines; surely they would have also called attention to other serious risks that were even more likely to occur.
tbf the number could be lower or higher because there are almost certainly more than 100 cases of GBS among people who got J&J vaccine but I think we don't know the proportion that is attributable to the vaccine or other causes.
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On July 13 2021 20:46 Anc13nt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2021 20:22 Doublemint wrote:
yeah that is ridiculously low as far as "adverse effects" go...
I am gonna say it again, read ANY information leaflet that comes with your personal medication. preferably one you have been on for years. from top to bottom.
you might reconsider how "great the dangers" of those vaccines are. media companies tend to turn molehills into the Everest. if you are actually not sure - still - then consult your doctor. or another doctor you trust over that one lol. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/guillain-barre-syndrome.htmlApparently "The increased risk was approximately one additional case of GBS for every 100,000 people who got the swine flu vaccine." and for J&J vaccine it appears to be within like an order of magnitude of that. I don't think this alone is enough to consider J&J as too dangerous to be worth using, unless one thinks the same way about flu vaccines, which provide far less benefit. Honestly, I think it is still absolutely worth taking J&J compared to no vaccine but I wouldn't begrudge people who are super risk-averse and would prefer to wait for Moderna/Pfizer over AZ/J&J.
As long as they're being consistent with their super risk-averse nature and literally never ever ever ever seeing anyone at all, until they're fully vaccinated, that's fine with me too. Even going to most supermarkets or shops is magnitudes riskier than the G-B risk.
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On July 13 2021 20:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2021 20:46 Anc13nt wrote:On July 13 2021 20:22 Doublemint wrote:
yeah that is ridiculously low as far as "adverse effects" go...
I am gonna say it again, read ANY information leaflet that comes with your personal medication. preferably one you have been on for years. from top to bottom.
you might reconsider how "great the dangers" of those vaccines are. media companies tend to turn molehills into the Everest. if you are actually not sure - still - then consult your doctor. or another doctor you trust over that one lol. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/guillain-barre-syndrome.htmlApparently "The increased risk was approximately one additional case of GBS for every 100,000 people who got the swine flu vaccine." and for J&J vaccine it appears to be within like an order of magnitude of that. I don't think this alone is enough to consider J&J as too dangerous to be worth using, unless one thinks the same way about flu vaccines, which provide far less benefit. Honestly, I think it is still absolutely worth taking J&J compared to no vaccine but I wouldn't begrudge people who are super risk-averse and would prefer to wait for Moderna/Pfizer over AZ/J&J. As long as they're being consistent with their super risk-averse nature and literally never ever ever ever seeing anyone at all, until they're fully vaccinated, that's fine with me too. Even going to most supermarkets or shops is magnitudes riskier than the G-B risk.
my thoughts exactly lol
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On July 13 2021 20:50 Anc13nt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2021 12:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 13 2021 09:07 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:FDA has attached a warning label to the J&J vaccine for Guillain-Barré syndrome, the same illness that the rushed 1976 swine flu vaccine was pulled for. FDA adds new warning on Johnson & Johnson vaccine related to rare autoimmune disorder
The Food and Drug Administration announced a new warning for the Johnson & Johnson coronavirus vaccine on Monday, saying the shot has been linked to a serious but rare side effect called Guillain-Barré syndrome, in which the immune system attacks the nerves.
About 100 preliminary reports of Guillain-Barré have been detected in vaccine recipients after the administration of 12.8 million doses of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine in the United States, according to a companion statement from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which monitors vaccine safety systems with the FDA. Of these reports, 95 were serious and required hospitalization, the FDA statement said. There was one death. Neither agency provided details about the death.
The cases have largely been reported about two weeks after vaccination and mostly in men, many aged 50 and older, according to the CDC. Most people fully recover from Guillain-Barré https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/12/johnson-and-johnson-warning/#click=https://t.co/0IKAL0tc2Z 100 out of 12800000 people? If a percentage that negligible receives a warning, then the vaccines that don't need warnings are practically perfect! The chance of getting G-B from this vaccine is .0000078 and the chance of dying due to G-B from this vaccine is .000000078. Edit: If we wanted to use logic consistent with the false dichotomy that anti-vaxxers use in terms of how dangerous getting covid is (how many people die vs. not die, rather than acknowledging that becoming sick and/or hospitalized are legitimate concerns too), the concern for G-B drops to just 1 out of 12.8 million, since there's only 1 death and the other 99 eventually recovered! But in all seriousness, the fact that the FDA is concerned about something that has such an infinitesimal chance of occurring makes me even more confident that there's really not much to worry about with vaccines; surely they would have also called attention to other serious risks that were even more likely to occur. tbf the number could be lower or higher because there are almost certainly more than 100 cases of GBS among people who got J&J vaccine but I think we don't know the proportion that is attributable to the vaccine or other causes.
Agreed; I don't have any other data available, so I was fine with using the numbers cited by the FDA. We don't know if all (or any of the) 100 cases were caused by the vaccine, and we don't know if there are any other unreported cases. In fact, the WaPo article uses the words "linked to", which tends to imply correlation rather than causation, so the risk is probably less severe than more severe.
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On July 13 2021 23:28 JimmiC wrote:
Where I live just hit 0 active cases for the first time since the first case! The biggest city close buy has only 5 active cases, vaccinations kick ass, I hope people do not stop getting them.
It's called summer, not vaccinations.
Austria has had regions and cities with 0 cases summer 2020 too.
We will see the real effect of vaccinations starting end of August/September
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To me, the main reason to prefer other vaccines to J&J has been that they're simply more effective. 75% efficacy vs 90-95% is the difference between a 25% chance of infection and a 5-10% chance of infection. That's...quite a bit, especially since vaccinated transmission with minimal symptoms seems to be possible with Delta (where the early numbers are more like 60% vs ~80%, or 40% chance of infection vs ~20%). It should really be a two-dose vaccine, though given how hard the first J&J dose hits people I'm not too sure about the safety or timing you would need.
But, if it's the only thing that can easily reach a community, or someone is difficult to reach for a second dose, it's much better than one dose of the others, so there's still a place for it.
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I have no idea why you think I dont like vaccinations..?
All I am saying is that summer is having the biggest impact on numbers.
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On July 14 2021 00:31 sharkie wrote:
All I am saying is that summer is having the biggest impact on numbers.
To be clear, that is not what you were saying:
On July 13 2021 23:49 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2021 23:28 JimmiC wrote:
Where I live just hit 0 active cases for the first time since the first case! The biggest city close buy has only 5 active cases, vaccinations kick ass, I hope people do not stop getting them. It's called summer, not vaccinations.
"Not vaccinations" is not the same thing as saying that the effect of vaccinations is secondary to the effect of summer weather.
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On July 14 2021 00:57 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2021 00:31 sharkie wrote:
All I am saying is that summer is having the biggest impact on numbers. To be clear, that is not what you were saying: Show nested quote +On July 13 2021 23:49 sharkie wrote:On July 13 2021 23:28 JimmiC wrote:
Where I live just hit 0 active cases for the first time since the first case! The biggest city close buy has only 5 active cases, vaccinations kick ass, I hope people do not stop getting them. It's called summer, not vaccinations. "Not vaccinations" is not the same thing as saying that the effect of vaccinations is secondary to the effect of summer weather.
Oh since you go that way: all i said is that summer kicks ass 
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On July 13 2021 23:28 JimmiC wrote:
Where I live just hit 0 active cases for the first time since the first case! The biggest city close buy has only 5 active cases, vaccinations kick ass, I hope people do not stop getting them.
That's awesome news  I know a lot of people are a little worried about delta/lambda/other variants, so hopefully we continue to vaccinate our populations and look for additional boosters that can target new covid strains.
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On July 14 2021 00:43 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2021 00:31 sharkie wrote:
I have no idea why you think I dont like vaccinations..?
All I am saying is that summer is having the biggest impact on numbers. Based on what logic? The numbers are going up during summer in places with low vaccination rates and down in places with high. The numbers are also WAY better than last summer when we had no vaccinations. Summer and weather plays a roll but it is very clear what is doing more. You are aware that both India and Brazil had horrible death and hospitalizations rates during their summer right? What you are saying just does not make sense, not even a little.
Allow me to make you both headscratch, we went from >5000 cases/day in March to ~50 cases/day now. The sharp decline started in April when almost no one was vaccinated and it was also extremely cold. We still have a relatively low vaccination rate and by the time summer kicked in we were already at ~200 cases/day.
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