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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On July 17 2021 12:44 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Sorry, what is offensive about stating facts? The 74% black for that city is from the 2010 census.You're arguing that black Americans aren't among the lowest vaccinated groups? That they don't vote democrat? That 69% is so different from 74% a few years prior? Pick your fights. I think this was discussed in the newspapers and among medical practitioners as well as scientists earlier this year. Lack of trust in the medical research. Much as it is with women, medicine usually gets tested for white men and then fingers are crossed it will work the same way for everyone else. Add to that a systemic marginalisation by every party that said to take the vaccine, and here we are. You're not really interested in all that, are you? More of a gotcha it feels like. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23885 Posts
On July 16 2021 18:38 Amui wrote: I personally don't mind the digs at the unvaccinated to be honest. Especially in the US, they've had every opportunity to get it done if they wanted to. Every one of them is piggy backing off the protection provided by the vaccinated, so inconveniencing them really doesn't bother me. Even though we went masks optional a week ago, every shop I've been in still has the masks required sign up, and most people still wear masks to go around indoors. My bouldering gym is going to require them until the start of september, which I think is fair as some of their patrons won't have had a chance to be 2dose+2weeks until then. Between poorer countries and people who don't care for whatever reason in wealthier countries, there's a fair chance an even more virulent variant comes out. Delta is already at a point where every country that doesn't have 75+%(maybe even higher) mRNA vaccines will either need an extra mRNA shot, or else a Delta specific booster to have any shot of containing it. A lot of SEA which has been reliant on Sinovac is really not in a good place atm. + Show Spoiler + My local health authority has ~85% eligible vaccinated now, but we've still been sitting around 10 cases a day for a month or so now despite consistently adding to the first/second dose population. Yeah it's more that only (some) vaccinated people with concerns about variants, long-term symptoms/effects, spreading infection to vulnerable people, etc seem to still be wearing masks while unvaccinated people only seem to notice that the "masks required" signs are gone. Seems to me just a matter of time before more places follow LA in reinstating mask mandates (that they shouldn't have lifted imo) and despite rather high vaccine rates and low case counts I hope my locale is soon to be next. In my experience the masks being mostly gone has also resulted in basically all other preventative measures by businesses/strangers in public falling by the wayside as well. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
That's why it is rather unwise, if not irresponsible, for authorities to dangle 'vaccination' as a carrot for people to be exempted from SOPs on mask and social-distancing. Some small exemptions may be given (eg counted as 0 or 0.5 person in indoor crowd maximum limits), but not from all or major preventive measures. Some people get vaccinated simply so that they can 'get their lives back to normal'. That's incredibly selfish and short-sighted, because they are likely to exert political pressure on governments to loosen restrictions (or go round without mask and not social distance). Vaccinated or not, just follow the rules and weather the storm. Vaccination shouldn't be seen as a 'privilege' or 'passport' to be above public health guidelines when the pandemic is still ongoing. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4410 Posts
And even if i were to agree with you on how serious Covid is, that would not change my opinion on the danger of vaccine passports, which are rolling out for domestic use all over Europe and Asia already, huge protests in France and Greece right now. And that ain’t my only concern either but if you can’t see the totalitarian potential for this theres no hope for you. Edit : OK i see you have yet again posted the article claiming 99% of covid hospitalisations in the USA were unvaccinated, luckily we already had this conversation 4 weeks ago so here you go : https://tl.net/forum/general/556693-coronavirus-and-you?page=392#7840 | ||
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sharkie
Austria18629 Posts
Netherlands are reaching numbers of pre-vaccination days in infection. Deaths stay at very low though. There is no escaping the virus, we just have to accept infections will happen like all other viruses. As long as deaths stay low i have no problem with it | ||
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Simberto
Germany11804 Posts
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On June 19 2021 20:24 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: 99% of hospitalisations being unvaccinated sounds way too high, got any source for that or it’s just an anecdote? For comparison - Recent UK data for the delta strain is around 70% of admissions being unvaccinated, little under two thirds of visits requiring at least overnight stay being unvaccinated and a little over half of deaths being unvaccinated (small sample for deaths) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/11/delta-variant-is-linked-to-90-of-covid-cases-in-uk I suspect that the 99% figure mostly consisted of data from non-delta cases in the US, which may be because the vaccines were a lot more effective for previous variants. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22239 Posts
On July 18 2021 17:55 sharkie wrote: We opened up to soon before the youth was vaccinated and so they went out to party and created massive infection hotspots.https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/netherlands/ Netherlands are reaching numbers of pre-vaccination days in infection. Deaths stay at very low though. There is no escaping the virus, we just have to accept infections will happen like all other viruses. As long as deaths stay low i have no problem with it I believe most of the infections are among <30y olds which have only started to receive their shots in the last month orso but sadly can't quickly find any stats to back it up. It will be a few more months before we're fully vaccinated. I wonder how things will work out then. I don't think the current spread is very indicative of what happens under full vaccination | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22239 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26621 Posts
On July 18 2021 22:34 HolydaKing wrote: Wouldn't it typically take more than 2 weeks for people to die? Especially if they get hospitalized. But yeah, no doubt that due to the vaccines there won't be that many people dying. How many people will get long covid though? And generally people getting ill isn't good so I'm not a fan of what the UK is doing, opening up when the numbers are skyrocketing. Who could have possibly predicted this would happen? It’s quite frustrating, yeah Covid times haven’t been fun for many but we couldn’t hold on a few months longer? It’s like running 25 miles of a marathon and then going ‘fuck it, I’m going home’ at the last stretch. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4410 Posts
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/15/france-achieves-record-covid-jabs-with-macrons-big-stick-approach | ||
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sharkie
Austria18629 Posts
On July 18 2021 23:01 WombaT wrote: Who could have possibly predicted this would happen? It’s quite frustrating, yeah Covid times haven’t been fun for many but we couldn’t hold on a few months longer? It’s like running 25 miles of a marathon and then going ‘fuck it, I’m going home’ at the last stretch. You can't keep people closed in during summer with everyone knowing winter wont be better | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18629 Posts
On July 18 2021 22:02 Anc13nt wrote: deaths are a lagging indicator because they typically occur 2 weeks after infection. The deaths graph will definitely go up in a few weeks but hopefully the vaccines will prevent a lot of deaths. Well the super rising of infections has started almost 10 days ago already | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18629 Posts
On July 19 2021 05:07 JimmiC wrote: Yep, so the hospitalization graphs have been rising, in some places exponentially and deaths sadly have started to climb as well. If you go ready the NPR article above that nettles only read the title from it gives you that level of detail. I am talking about netherlands | ||
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