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Slydie
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
1. Wet Market: Wild animals were captured and sold at a crowded market. The animals mingled enough and a coronavirus mutated and jumped to a human from here. 2. Lab Research: Scientists were researching coronaviruses in a lab in Wuhan. Due to a lapse in safety protocols, the virus infected a researcher, and infections spread from there 3. Biological Weapons Research: Scientists were intentionally modifying coronaviruses to infect humans. Due to a lapse in safety protocols, the virus infected a researcher, and infections spread from there I'm pretty sure 1/2 are the most likely suspects, 2 is the angle being investigated. 3 would be hard to argue, especially given the ineffectiveness of the Chinese SARS vaccines, and would be hard to distinguish from 2. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10665 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/u-s-intel-report-identified-3-wuhan-lab-researchers-who-n1268327 So the US,UN,EU etc. are all looking into it again. Biden has said he'll make the report he gets public in 90 days. However, the evidence for it being of human manufacture is still essentially 0 (ie the bioweapons theory). Scientists seem fairly sure that it's too good of a design for a lab based bio weapons and it acts on certain hooks that all current models didn't think would have been effective at all. "Escaped from a lab", in this case, would have almost certainly been poor containment measures when studying a natural disease. The wet market theory is still more plausible. It doesn't really make much of a difference imo : nothing so far indicates any intentional spread by China, and short of that we're not going to see sanctions. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8854 Posts
On May 28 2021 13:10 BlackJack wrote: CA is giving away $116 million in vaccine lotteries. Wish me luck whats a vaccine lottery? a lottery you can only participate in after being vaccinated? thats actually a really good idea by the organisers | ||
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
On May 28 2021 00:50 Lmui wrote: So to summarize, the theories: 1. Wet Market: Wild animals were captured and sold at a crowded market. The animals mingled enough and a coronavirus mutated and jumped to a human from here. 2. Lab Research: Scientists were researching coronaviruses in a lab in Wuhan. Due to a lapse in safety protocols, the virus infected a researcher, and infections spread from there 3. Biological Weapons Research: Scientists were intentionally modifying coronaviruses to infect humans. Due to a lapse in safety protocols, the virus infected a researcher, and infections spread from there I'm pretty sure 1/2 are the most likely suspects, 2 is the angle being investigated. 3 would be hard to argue, especially given the ineffectiveness of the Chinese SARS vaccines, and would be hard to distinguish from 2. 2 and 3 should be very easy to distinguish, unless China suddenly came up with some miraculous tech that's leaps and bounds ahead of every other bioresearch program in the world. It's incredibly difficult to create a virus / virus strain that is indistinguishable from a naturally evolved one. | ||
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Neneu
Norway492 Posts
On May 27 2021 23:22 Slydie wrote: Can't we keep animal farming out of this? The problem was WILD animals being sold at markets, not farmed ones. Animal farming is actually very relevant when it comes to dangerous (potentially pandemic) diseases developing. It is one of the main risk factors of a new deadly pandemic. This is also why there's a been an increasing call to restrict agriculture events with live stock (who the hell needs to be in the competition kiss the pig? Stuff like that is just stupid). A few of the more known dangerous (and potentially pandemic) diseases originating from agriculture are MERS (camel), H1N1 - swine flu (swine), H7N7 - bird flu (poultry), Nipah virus (swine), H5N1 - bird flu (poultry), Bovine tuberculosis (cow). You could also argue that SARS is because of agricultural farming, since the host it passed through before transmitting to humans were masked palm civet, which is farmed. Generally the issue isn't only wild animals in contact with humans, it is animals in contact with humans. Not trying to say humans encroaching previously wild nature isn't a risk factor in itself, but animal farming is very much one as well. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7162 Posts
On May 28 2021 13:10 BlackJack wrote: CA is giving away $116 million in vaccine lotteries. Wish me luck If you win and don't sponsor some kind of Starcraft event imma be real angry with you! Fingers crossed  | ||
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rope123
27 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On May 28 2021 14:07 evilfatsh1t wrote: whats a vaccine lottery? a lottery you can only participate in after being vaccinated? thats actually a really good idea by the organisers Exactly right. It's a lottery you get entered into if you get the vaccine with $1 million+ top prizes. I think Ohio started it and California is following suit. I agree it's a good idea. The people that overestimate their chance of having a bad vaccine reaction are probably the same people to overestimate their chance of winning a lottery | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On May 28 2021 16:50 Harris1st wrote: If you win and don't sponsor some kind of Starcraft event imma be real angry with you! Fingers crossed If I win the $1,5 million I'll set aside $5k for a starcraft event and by starcraft I mean SC:BW, not SC2  | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7162 Posts
On May 28 2021 18:24 BlackJack wrote: If I win the $1,5 million I'll set aside $5k for a starcraft event and by starcraft I mean SC:BW, not SC2 That's why I said Starcraft event. Whatever is your poison | ||
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Simberto
Germany11816 Posts
On May 28 2021 18:21 BlackJack wrote: Exactly right. It's a lottery you get entered into if you get the vaccine with $1 million+ top prizes. I think Ohio started it and California is following suit. I agree it's a good idea. The people that overestimate their chance of having a bad vaccine reaction are probably the same people to overestimate their chance of winning a lottery I must say that it is impressive how quickly we went from vaccines being a rare commodity that needs to be rationed to something we need to convince people to take. And i always wonder if these measures don't backfire massively.The people who don't trust vaccines will doubly not trust them if the government is trying to convince them to take said vaccines. On the other hand, lotteries and so forth probably work very well for the people who would get vaccinated, but who are not motivated enough to actually organize this. I also hope that if enough vaccines are available (here in Germany they appear to still be slightly limited), they make vaccinating really easy for the same reason. Have a vaccine bus tour around the city that you can just walk up to and get a shot. Stuff like that. | ||
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Neneu
Norway492 Posts
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Slydie
1935 Posts
On May 28 2021 16:45 Neneu wrote: Animal farming is actually very relevant when it comes to dangerous (potentially pandemic) diseases developing. It is one of the main risk factors of a new deadly pandemic. This is also why there's a been an increasing call to restrict agriculture events with live stock (who the hell needs to be in the competition kiss the pig? Stuff like that is just stupid). A few of the more known dangerous (and potentially pandemic) diseases originating from agriculture are MERS (camel), H1N1 - swine flu (swine), H7N7 - bird flu (poultry), Nipah virus (swine), H5N1 - bird flu (poultry), Bovine tuberculosis (cow). You could also argue that SARS is because of agricultural farming, since the host it passed through before transmitting to humans were masked palm civet, which is farmed. Generally the issue isn't only wild animals in contact with humans, it is animals in contact with humans. Not trying to say humans encroaching previously wild nature isn't a risk factor in itself, but animal farming is very much one as well. In this case, it was almost certainly a bat virus, which then was passed onto an unknown animal and then to humans. The "passing animal" is expected to be a "wildlife" one. From the WHO report: COVID-19 is a zoonotic virus. From phylogenetics analyses undertaken with available full genome sequences, bats appear to be the reservoir of COVID-19 virus, but the intermediate host(s) has not yet been identified. However, three important areas of work are already underway in China to inform our understanding of the zoonotic origin of this outbreak. These include early investigations of cases with symptom onset in Wuhan throughout December 2019, environmental sampling from the Huanan Wholesale Seafood Market and other area markets, and the collection of detailed records on the source and type of wildlife species sold at the Huanan market and the destination of those animals after the market was closed. The wet marked was also viewed as the probable source of the initial outbreak: Early cases identified in Wuhan are believed to be have acquired infection from a zoonotic source as many reported visiting or working in the Huanan Wholesale Seafood Market. As of 25 February, an animal source has not yet been identified. The whole WHO report can be found here (I love the age of internet!): https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/report-of-the-who-china-joint-mission-on-coronavirus-disease-2019-(covid-19) | ||
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Neneu
Norway492 Posts
On May 28 2021 23:37 Slydie wrote: In this case, it was almost certainly a bat virus, which then was passed onto an unknown animal and then to humans. The "passing animal" is expected to be a "wildlife" one. From the WHO report: The wet marked was also viewed as the probable source of the initial outbreak: The whole WHO report can be found here (I love the age of internet!): https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/report-of-the-who-china-joint-mission-on-coronavirus-disease-2019-(covid-19) That's doesn't make animal farming not relevant when discussing major pandemics and their causes. Agricultural livestock have a large risk factor for causing serious diseases in humans. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28789 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On May 28 2021 18:21 BlackJack wrote: Exactly right. It's a lottery you get entered into if you get the vaccine with $1 million+ top prizes. I think Ohio started it and California is following suit. I agree it's a good idea. The people that overestimate their chance of having a bad vaccine reaction are probably the same people to overestimate their chance of winning a lottery I think that last point is a good one. There are still plenty of unvaccinated people with some mix of hesitancy and laziness that just need a mild push. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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