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On May 18 2021 20:42 Harris1st wrote:Texas has had significantly higher infection and death rate than Austria. Could well play a role in this equation, too. Anyway, I'm just happy that things in most parts of the world are looking better and better. I'm getting my shot tomorrow as well. Wish me luck 
Only got the cheap stuff :/
Hoping for only mild side effects
Found this out after the fact:
In Germany it is discussed right now that If you take AZ voluntarily, it might count like a Pfizer/ Moderna second dose regarding who is "fully" immune just to get the cheap stuff of the shelves
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If I read correctly, they were thinking about "mixing" the vaccines. The thought process war that it is actually better!
Sputnik is combining two "versions" too!
Doing this to "get them out the door" is news for me... they could just write me an invitation...
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The reason the german government wants to be lenient with people on their first dose of AZ is because their second shot is 12 weeks after their first, whereas BioNtech has 3-6 weeks between shots. So if you get your first shot of AZ now, you won't be fully vaccinated before late august.
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I wonder if there are stats on second shot take up rate? What's the percentage of people missing the second shot (intentional or unintentional)? Do the stats differ across different vaccines?
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On May 20 2021 10:45 RKC wrote:
I wonder if there are stats on second shot take up rate? What's the percentage of people missing the second shot (intentional or unintentional)? Do the stats differ across different vaccines?
I think second shot return rate is something like 95% in the USA. It's high enough that you can reasonably assume that anyone who got the first shot will return for the second. It's not possible to get 100% because there's a small population that will have a bad reaction to the first shot that results in not being able to get the second.
Data presented today in BC is that first shot is just over 80% effective after 21 days, and reduces transmission by 70% for those that catch it.
One dose is very effective at preventing further transmission especially between vaccinated individuals. The second dose increases those numbers further but we don't have enough data in Canada to make a conclusion around that.
I'm quite happy, I've got my shot and around the beginning of June I hit the 2 week threshold. I'm close to home free as far as covid goes. I'm looking forward to dine-in at restaurants. Dimsum is something that I haven't had a chance to do with my parents in the last year, and that's pretty high up on my list of things to do. We're getting our reopening plan on Tuesday. If it doesn't open up visits between first dose vaccinated households, I'm going to be a rulebreaker for the remainder of the pandemic. Some of my friends don't get vaccinated til early June, but by the first day of summer, we'd better be home free to mingle.
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My understanding is that 2nd shot numbers are very good, once you condition on first shots. Basically the only reason some places (Canada and the UK especially) have "low" second shot numbers is because they've kicked them as far down the road as they can justify to themselves (as in 12-16 weeks) to get as many first doses in arms as possible.
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Don't you guys have outdoor dining open yet? Dimsum restaurants here in California are packed with outdoor diners. I think they started in Feb/March? The mixed use complex near me has a very busy one that took over a huge chunk of the walkway since pedestrian traffic is lower with the pandemic. They have since gone back to indoor dining over the past month but they reopened the outdoor dining for mother's day.
We're at the point here where they are trying to go after the procrastinators. Offering lottery tickets, raffling Lakers tickets, getting people vaccinated at a bar offering a free drink, that sort of thing.
At this point, I'm so used to wearing a mask I might as well continue unless I need to eat. I don't trust anti-vaxxers in an honesty system. Even a mild cold is more of a bother than wearing a mask. On the other hand, I'm a few days away from the 2-week mark after my 2nd dose so I'm going to relax my guard a little.
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The wife and I are going to dinner tonight for the first time in ages and we shall mask up whenever we leave the table. Frankly it’s quite exciting despite being so pedestrian
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For the first time I personally care about the vaccination rate here. Since they are doing it in age groups from top to bottom chances are that I would not have a valid vaccination pass when TI happens. Can probably book the first shot in 3-4 weeks at the earliest. They have a working age check in the booking app in this region as well, so no simple way around it.
Though I guess getting the first one in time should be doable and enough.
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On May 22 2021 06:48 andrewlt wrote:
Don't you guys have outdoor dining open yet? Dimsum restaurants here in California are packed with outdoor diners. I think they started in Feb/March? The mixed use complex near me has a very busy one that took over a huge chunk of the walkway since pedestrian traffic is lower with the pandemic. They have since gone back to indoor dining over the past month but they reopened the outdoor dining for mother's day.
We're at the point here where they are trying to go after the procrastinators. Offering lottery tickets, raffling Lakers tickets, getting people vaccinated at a bar offering a free drink, that sort of thing.
At this point, I'm so used to wearing a mask I might as well continue unless I need to eat. I don't trust anti-vaxxers in an honesty system. Even a mild cold is more of a bother than wearing a mask. On the other hand, I'm a few days away from the 2-week mark after my 2nd dose so I'm going to relax my guard a little.
There's tables for outdoor dining, but there's also hours long lineups at the better spots because people are eager to have the experience. A few dozen tables scattered around the city doesn't quite meet the demand. I expect indoor dining to open up at the start of June. We've been vaccinating at a pretty frantic pace here so it seems like we have a large immune population, but the vaccine takes a few weeks to get to the 80% one-dose protection level, so despite nearly 50% population vaccinated, we're only at ~35% protected from covid. Not quite enough to make indoor dining safe. The only thing that'll improve it is time to get shots in arms.
I joked earlier this pandemic that the more antivaxxers you have, the faster you get your shot, but the cold reality is that the more antivaxxers there are, the harder it is to safely open up.
Can probably book the first shot in 3-4 weeks at the earliest. They have a working age check in the booking app in this region as well, so no simple way around it.
I'm kinda curious what the best way to do a vaccination status checker would be. Gut feeling says app with security tokens/QR code generator, that's only active on one device at a time. It takes a private code you're given at vaccination time + current time and outputs a hashed QR code. Secondary app scans QR code, and if it matches the same calculated hash code on server, flashes green, else red. You don't have to tie it to anyone's medical record, just that someone has received a vaccine.
Hard enough to fake (trust is on server side, checker side tech), hard to duplicate, especially if code is tied to a vaccination record (old one invalidated when new one issued), and you can get separate codes for 1st/second dose.
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On May 22 2021 08:51 Lmui wrote:Show nested quote +Can probably book the first shot in 3-4 weeks at the earliest. They have a working age check in the booking app in this region as well, so no simple way around it. I'm kinda curious what the best way to do a vaccination status checker would be. Gut feeling says app with security tokens/QR code generator, that's only active on one device at a time. It takes a private code you're given at vaccination time + current time and outputs a hashed QR code. Secondary app scans QR code, and if it matches the same calculated hash code on server, flashes green, else red. You don't have to tie it to anyone's medical record, just that someone has received a vaccine. Hard enough to fake (trust is on server side, checker side tech), hard to duplicate, especially if code is tied to a vaccination record (old one invalidated when new one issued), and you can get separate codes for 1st/second dose.
Problem with that method is that you needed to implement it when you did the first vaccinations. Thus any method selected has to start working months after people are no longer going for vaccinations. Or you end up forcing people to go back for them.
I don't see any way to not have to connect to the medical records to generate the initial setup. I do agree though that it shouldn't force a login to the medical systems of your region after initial setup.
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On May 22 2021 15:59 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2021 08:51 Lmui wrote:Can probably book the first shot in 3-4 weeks at the earliest. They have a working age check in the booking app in this region as well, so no simple way around it. I'm kinda curious what the best way to do a vaccination status checker would be. Gut feeling says app with security tokens/QR code generator, that's only active on one device at a time. It takes a private code you're given at vaccination time + current time and outputs a hashed QR code. Secondary app scans QR code, and if it matches the same calculated hash code on server, flashes green, else red. You don't have to tie it to anyone's medical record, just that someone has received a vaccine. Hard enough to fake (trust is on server side, checker side tech), hard to duplicate, especially if code is tied to a vaccination record (old one invalidated when new one issued), and you can get separate codes for 1st/second dose. Problem with that method is that you needed to implement it when you did the first vaccinations. Thus any method selected has to start working months after people are no longer going for vaccinations. Or you end up forcing people to go back for them. I don't see any way to not have to connect to the medical records to generate the initial setup. I do agree though that it shouldn't force a login to the medical systems of your region after initial setup.
Yeah, there definitely needs to be a central registry to do the initial configuration. I'm thinking about how much info the app needs to have/display and I think name/vaccination status is probably all you need. Presumably you can assume any place you scan it can reasonably collect that information and add it to a profile about you, whether it's Facebook or a government.
It's going to need to be created somehow though, I would rather have the canadian gov't create it than trust a third party to maintain a vaccination registry. If I want to give my info by having a company scan it, fine, but I want it under my control.
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The vaccine passport will likely be tied into a mobile app.In Australia people are required to use a mobile app to scan a QR code to enter stores, public buildings, workplaces, anywhere really.All vaccinations here are lodged in the Australian vaccine database.Medical data was digitised and centralised 3-4 years ago with the creation of the online myGov health record.So, pretty easy for them to create a vaccine passport system here.
In the USA where people have repeatedly claimed its impossible to require photo ID to do certain things, vaccine passports have already been banned in at least 6 states (As of May 1st : https://www.economist.com/united-states/2021/05/01/republicans-want-to-ban-businesses-from-requiring-proof-of-vaccination ) and there is far less centralisation of records it seems like the vaccine passport is dead in the water there.
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On May 23 2021 08:19 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:The vaccine passport will likely be tied into a mobile app.In Australia people are required to use a mobile app to scan a QR code to enter stores, public buildings, workplaces, anywhere really.All vaccinations here are lodged in the Australian vaccine database.Medical data was digitised and centralised 3-4 years ago with the creation of the online myGov health record.So, pretty easy for them to create a vaccine passport system here. In the USA where people have repeatedly claimed its impossible to require photo ID to do certain things, vaccine passports have already been banned in at least 6 states (As of May 1st : https://www.economist.com/united-states/2021/05/01/republicans-want-to-ban-businesses-from-requiring-proof-of-vaccination ) and there is far less centralisation of records it seems like the vaccine passport is dead in the water there.
Yeah that's a pretty solid system, pretty much the workflow I had in mind. I was fairly surprised to hear that a minority of Americans have a passport, so the international travel benefits of a vaccine registry fall on deaf ears for a lot of the population. It's uncommon in Canada to be without a passport because we tend to travel outside the country more.
I hope we can get a single national app though. A provincial system just adds complexity. Presumably it'd be checked at point of departure. An arrivals check would be a lot more difficult because it relies on each gov't to expose an API endpoint, or else have apps for every incoming country.
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On May 23 2021 13:10 Lmui wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2021 08:19 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:The vaccine passport will likely be tied into a mobile app.In Australia people are required to use a mobile app to scan a QR code to enter stores, public buildings, workplaces, anywhere really.All vaccinations here are lodged in the Australian vaccine database.Medical data was digitised and centralised 3-4 years ago with the creation of the online myGov health record.So, pretty easy for them to create a vaccine passport system here. In the USA where people have repeatedly claimed its impossible to require photo ID to do certain things, vaccine passports have already been banned in at least 6 states (As of May 1st : https://www.economist.com/united-states/2021/05/01/republicans-want-to-ban-businesses-from-requiring-proof-of-vaccination ) and there is far less centralisation of records it seems like the vaccine passport is dead in the water there. Yeah that's a pretty solid system, pretty much the workflow I had in mind. I was fairly surprised to hear that a minority of Americans have a passport, so the international travel benefits of a vaccine registry fall on deaf ears for a lot of the population. It's uncommon in Canada to be without a passport because we tend to travel outside the country more. I hope we can get a single national app though. A provincial system just adds complexity. Presumably it'd be checked at point of departure. An arrivals check would be a lot more difficult because it relies on each gov't to expose an API endpoint, or else have apps for every incoming country.
Traveling is just one part of possible usage. Until we hit “100%” sport arenas, bars etc are logical users. So that complicates things when abroad.
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As much as I think vaccine passports make some sense currently to open up quicker, it is a very dangerous path, especially for other things than crossing borders.
Which other "passports" for your health condition could it open up for? Sexually transmittable diseases? Diabetes? Smoking? Heart attacks?
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Not only do I disagree with the idea that vaccine passports will "need" to be created, I also really doubt that they will be created. At least in my country. I've been predicting August 2021 as the time that COVID becomes irrelevant. I seriously think nobody is going to care about COVID in a couple months, especially not enough to demand to see your papers.
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