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On May 29 2021 03:05 JimmiC wrote:CTV released this calculator that shows how the vaccination is doing and you can pick the % number and it will tell you the date we will hit that at current rates. Only the 1 dose is currently working, which is fine because Canada is doing a 1 dose strategy and it is pretty exciting to see we are like a week from 70% (of the over 12 population) being 1 dose and a couple from 80%. I'm not sure when we will run up to the hesitant people. It breaks it down by country and also by province. https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/a-snapshot-of-canada-s-progress-in-administering-covid-19-vaccines-1.5444007I think lottery's are fun ideas, and then I think after that making it a little inconvenient for people who don't to do things will also push a lot over the line. I've read of places making rules that if you are vaccinated you can just walk into the theater, concert or sporting event. And if you are not you just have to take a rapid test and then can go in when its negative. It only slows people like 15-45 minutes but apparently the annoyance caused a bunch of people who had resisted to get it done!
It's based off of current rates, rather than supply though, and given that supply goes up by 20% next week, it's not entirely accurate. Still good enough for estimates though.
First doses will have a fairly long tail, but I think starting on June 15-20 depending on the province, we should move to a walk-in first dose, booked second dose model. The first dose is vastly more important in the short term than the second dose, and if we have the capacity for families to bring 12-17 y/o as walk-in (BC anyways), we can handle walk-in first doses for the tardy/lazy.
We've moved to a 50 day delay between doses in BC from 120 days, and I think we're planning on keeping it there for the remainder of the pandemic. There are tangible benefits to a longer delay between doses, and 7-9* weeks is a good balance between good long-term protection, and good immediate protection. Almost all my friends are first dosed now, and some are starting to get booked in for second shots. By Jun. 20 (First day of summer), we are all going to be dosed and protected
Edit: 7-9 weeks from 16
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On May 29 2021 00:49 Neneu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2021 23:37 Slydie wrote:On May 28 2021 16:45 Neneu wrote:On May 27 2021 23:22 Slydie wrote:
Can't we keep animal farming out of this? The problem was WILD animals being sold at markets, not farmed ones. Animal farming is actually very relevant when it comes to dangerous (potentially pandemic) diseases developing. It is one of the main risk factors of a new deadly pandemic. This is also why there's a been an increasing call to restrict agriculture events with live stock (who the hell needs to be in the competition kiss the pig? Stuff like that is just stupid). A few of the more known dangerous (and potentially pandemic) diseases originating from agriculture are MERS (camel), H1N1 - swine flu (swine), H7N7 - bird flu (poultry), Nipah virus (swine), H5N1 - bird flu (poultry), Bovine tuberculosis (cow). You could also argue that SARS is because of agricultural farming, since the host it passed through before transmitting to humans were masked palm civet, which is farmed. Generally the issue isn't only wild animals in contact with humans, it is animals in contact with humans. Not trying to say humans encroaching previously wild nature isn't a risk factor in itself, but animal farming is very much one as well. In this case, it was almost certainly a bat virus, which then was passed onto an unknown animal and then to humans. The "passing animal" is expected to be a "wildlife" one. From the WHO report: COVID-19 is a zoonotic virus. From phylogenetics analyses undertaken with available full
genome sequences, bats appear to be the reservoir of COVID-19 virus, but the intermediate
host(s) has not yet been identified. However, three important areas of work are already
underway in China to inform our understanding of the zoonotic origin of this outbreak.
These include early investigations of cases with symptom onset in Wuhan throughout
December 2019, environmental sampling from the Huanan Wholesale Seafood Market and
other area markets, and the collection of detailed records on the source and type of wildlife
species sold at the Huanan market and the destination of those animals after the market
was closed. The wet marked was also viewed as the probable source of the initial outbreak: Early cases identified in Wuhan are believed to be have acquired infection from a zoonotic
source as many reported visiting or working in the Huanan Wholesale Seafood Market. As
of 25 February, an animal source has not yet been identified. The whole WHO report can be found here (I love the age of internet!): https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/report-of-the-who-china-joint-mission-on-coronavirus-disease-2019-(covid-19) That's doesn't make animal farming not relevant when discussing major pandemics and their causes. Agricultural livestock have a large risk factor for causing serious diseases in humans.
Well, this is a Coronavirus specific thread, so I stand by that it is irrelevant in this context.
The Danish mink industry closed down because of the FEAR of mutations, but it hasn't been a real issue with this particular virus yet.
Massive aninal farms and their impacts is another discussion altogether IMO.
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My job is offering $50 cash or shopping credit to incentivized vaccinations. Man what a world.
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On May 29 2021 03:43 Lmui wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2021 03:05 JimmiC wrote:CTV released this calculator that shows how the vaccination is doing and you can pick the % number and it will tell you the date we will hit that at current rates. Only the 1 dose is currently working, which is fine because Canada is doing a 1 dose strategy and it is pretty exciting to see we are like a week from 70% (of the over 12 population) being 1 dose and a couple from 80%. I'm not sure when we will run up to the hesitant people. It breaks it down by country and also by province. https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/a-snapshot-of-canada-s-progress-in-administering-covid-19-vaccines-1.5444007I think lottery's are fun ideas, and then I think after that making it a little inconvenient for people who don't to do things will also push a lot over the line. I've read of places making rules that if you are vaccinated you can just walk into the theater, concert or sporting event. And if you are not you just have to take a rapid test and then can go in when its negative. It only slows people like 15-45 minutes but apparently the annoyance caused a bunch of people who had resisted to get it done! It's based off of current rates, rather than supply though, and given that supply goes up by 20% next week, it's not entirely accurate. Still good enough for estimates though. First doses will have a fairly long tail, but I think starting on June 15-20 depending on the province, we should move to a walk-in first dose, booked second dose model. The first dose is vastly more important in the short term than the second dose, and if we have the capacity for families to bring 12-17 y/o as walk-in (BC anyways), we can handle walk-in first doses for the tardy/lazy. We've moved to a 50 day delay between doses in BC from 120 days, and I think we're planning on keeping it there for the remainder of the pandemic. There are tangible benefits to a longer delay between doses, and 7-9* weeks is a good balance between good long-term protection, and good immediate protection. Almost all my friends are first dosed now, and some are starting to get booked in for second shots. By Jun. 20 (First day of summer), we are all going to be dosed and protected Edit: 7-9 weeks from 16
For first doses, I don't think supply is your constraint anymore. In the U.S., our vaccination rate started plummeting long before reaching where you are right now in terms of people who have had their first dose.
From that link, you are doing 356k vaccinations per day. From memory, I believe the U.S. was around 3.4M vaccinations per day during our peak but we dipped below 2M sometime this month, hence all the lotteries and stuff being offered.
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On May 29 2021 05:25 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2021 03:43 Lmui wrote:On May 29 2021 03:05 JimmiC wrote:CTV released this calculator that shows how the vaccination is doing and you can pick the % number and it will tell you the date we will hit that at current rates. Only the 1 dose is currently working, which is fine because Canada is doing a 1 dose strategy and it is pretty exciting to see we are like a week from 70% (of the over 12 population) being 1 dose and a couple from 80%. I'm not sure when we will run up to the hesitant people. It breaks it down by country and also by province. https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/a-snapshot-of-canada-s-progress-in-administering-covid-19-vaccines-1.5444007I think lottery's are fun ideas, and then I think after that making it a little inconvenient for people who don't to do things will also push a lot over the line. I've read of places making rules that if you are vaccinated you can just walk into the theater, concert or sporting event. And if you are not you just have to take a rapid test and then can go in when its negative. It only slows people like 15-45 minutes but apparently the annoyance caused a bunch of people who had resisted to get it done! It's based off of current rates, rather than supply though, and given that supply goes up by 20% next week, it's not entirely accurate. Still good enough for estimates though. First doses will have a fairly long tail, but I think starting on June 15-20 depending on the province, we should move to a walk-in first dose, booked second dose model. The first dose is vastly more important in the short term than the second dose, and if we have the capacity for families to bring 12-17 y/o as walk-in (BC anyways), we can handle walk-in first doses for the tardy/lazy. We've moved to a 50 day delay between doses in BC from 120 days, and I think we're planning on keeping it there for the remainder of the pandemic. There are tangible benefits to a longer delay between doses, and 7-9* weeks is a good balance between good long-term protection, and good immediate protection. Almost all my friends are first dosed now, and some are starting to get booked in for second shots. By Jun. 20 (First day of summer), we are all going to be dosed and protected Edit: 7-9 weeks from 16 For first doses, I don't think supply is your constraint anymore. In the U.S., our vaccination rate started plummeting long before reaching where you are right now in terms of people who have had their first dose. From that link, you are doing 356k vaccinations per day. From memory, I believe the U.S. was around 3.4M vaccinations per day during our peak but we dipped below 2M sometime this month, hence all the lotteries and stuff being offered.
We're still supply constrained in the larger provinces. In my province for example, we're running down to one, or less days of Pfizer supply every Tuesday (Pfizer has consistent, weekly deliveries)
Data from a week ago (May 19th).
The curves slow down around 75%, but until we get to 75+% of eligible vaccinated with their first dose, we're going to be supply constrained. Our booking system, especially for the urban areas has been fully booked, and continues to be fully booked until June 10th or so which lines up nicely with the 75% figure. Our province polls as the least vaccine hesitant province though in Canada, with ~89% intending to get the vaccine when/shortly after it is available, which would I believe would result in nearly 80% of the population getting a shot eventually.
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On May 29 2021 05:01 Emnjay808 wrote:
My job is offering $50 cash or shopping credit to incentivized vaccinations. Man what a world.
We get to do it during paid work hours as our compensation. Yours is a bit stronger.
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On May 29 2021 05:01 Emnjay808 wrote:
My job is offering $50 cash or shopping credit to incentivized vaccinations. Man what a world.
I've read somewhere that offering money for vaccinations actually discourages people from taking them because many people will assume it's a trick to convince them to do something that may not be good for them. The article was based on a survey where they asked three groups of respondents whether they would get vaccinated if:
A) someone paid them a small amount of money for that,
B) it was free,
C) they would have to pay a small amount of money for vaccination.
The results indicated that free vaccinations should be the most popular, but still not popular enough to make additional motivators unnecessary. It was recommended to focus on promotional campaigns instead of direct incentives.
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On May 29 2021 05:25 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2021 03:43 Lmui wrote:On May 29 2021 03:05 JimmiC wrote:CTV released this calculator that shows how the vaccination is doing and you can pick the % number and it will tell you the date we will hit that at current rates. Only the 1 dose is currently working, which is fine because Canada is doing a 1 dose strategy and it is pretty exciting to see we are like a week from 70% (of the over 12 population) being 1 dose and a couple from 80%. I'm not sure when we will run up to the hesitant people. It breaks it down by country and also by province. https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/a-snapshot-of-canada-s-progress-in-administering-covid-19-vaccines-1.5444007I think lottery's are fun ideas, and then I think after that making it a little inconvenient for people who don't to do things will also push a lot over the line. I've read of places making rules that if you are vaccinated you can just walk into the theater, concert or sporting event. And if you are not you just have to take a rapid test and then can go in when its negative. It only slows people like 15-45 minutes but apparently the annoyance caused a bunch of people who had resisted to get it done! It's based off of current rates, rather than supply though, and given that supply goes up by 20% next week, it's not entirely accurate. Still good enough for estimates though. First doses will have a fairly long tail, but I think starting on June 15-20 depending on the province, we should move to a walk-in first dose, booked second dose model. The first dose is vastly more important in the short term than the second dose, and if we have the capacity for families to bring 12-17 y/o as walk-in (BC anyways), we can handle walk-in first doses for the tardy/lazy. We've moved to a 50 day delay between doses in BC from 120 days, and I think we're planning on keeping it there for the remainder of the pandemic. There are tangible benefits to a longer delay between doses, and 7-9* weeks is a good balance between good long-term protection, and good immediate protection. Almost all my friends are first dosed now, and some are starting to get booked in for second shots. By Jun. 20 (First day of summer), we are all going to be dosed and protected Edit: 7-9 weeks from 16 For first doses, I don't think supply is your constraint anymore. In the U.S., our vaccination rate started plummeting long before reaching where you are right now in terms of people who have had their first dose.
Part 2 I guess, we hit a record in vaccinations today in my province. 73,458 doses administered, population of 5.071 million. Canada did 463,396 doses total, which is the second highest total on record.
Even subtracting out the second doses, we did first doses for 1.37% of the population today in BC.
We're not yet demand constrained on first doses, not for at least another couple weeks. More supply would still help at this point, albeit not all that much for first doses.
Edit:
Next week is probably going to have our highest numbers on record. Pfizer supply goes up by 20%, and that's our workhorse, so likely to be over 500k as a country (Although some conservative provinces are hitting the edge of 1st dose demand)
Edit2:
We're at 57.2% total population vaccinated. The highest US state, Vermont is just over 70%. That should be the goal for everyone, (and hopefully BC will comfortably pass them). BC's ranked approximately 10th in terms of first doses administered in comparison with USA states, and will pass most (hopefully all) of them in the next two weeks in first doses/capita.
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On May 29 2021 07:35 Lmui wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2021 05:25 andrewlt wrote:On May 29 2021 03:43 Lmui wrote:On May 29 2021 03:05 JimmiC wrote:CTV released this calculator that shows how the vaccination is doing and you can pick the % number and it will tell you the date we will hit that at current rates. Only the 1 dose is currently working, which is fine because Canada is doing a 1 dose strategy and it is pretty exciting to see we are like a week from 70% (of the over 12 population) being 1 dose and a couple from 80%. I'm not sure when we will run up to the hesitant people. It breaks it down by country and also by province. https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/a-snapshot-of-canada-s-progress-in-administering-covid-19-vaccines-1.5444007I think lottery's are fun ideas, and then I think after that making it a little inconvenient for people who don't to do things will also push a lot over the line. I've read of places making rules that if you are vaccinated you can just walk into the theater, concert or sporting event. And if you are not you just have to take a rapid test and then can go in when its negative. It only slows people like 15-45 minutes but apparently the annoyance caused a bunch of people who had resisted to get it done! It's based off of current rates, rather than supply though, and given that supply goes up by 20% next week, it's not entirely accurate. Still good enough for estimates though. First doses will have a fairly long tail, but I think starting on June 15-20 depending on the province, we should move to a walk-in first dose, booked second dose model. The first dose is vastly more important in the short term than the second dose, and if we have the capacity for families to bring 12-17 y/o as walk-in (BC anyways), we can handle walk-in first doses for the tardy/lazy. We've moved to a 50 day delay between doses in BC from 120 days, and I think we're planning on keeping it there for the remainder of the pandemic. There are tangible benefits to a longer delay between doses, and 7-9* weeks is a good balance between good long-term protection, and good immediate protection. Almost all my friends are first dosed now, and some are starting to get booked in for second shots. By Jun. 20 (First day of summer), we are all going to be dosed and protected Edit: 7-9 weeks from 16 For first doses, I don't think supply is your constraint anymore. In the U.S., our vaccination rate started plummeting long before reaching where you are right now in terms of people who have had their first dose. Part 2 I guess, we hit a record in vaccinations today in my province. 73,458 doses administered, population of 5.071 million. Canada did 463,396 doses total, which is the second highest total on record. Even subtracting out the second doses, we did first doses for 1.37% of the population today in BC. We're not yet demand constrained on first doses, not for at least another couple weeks. More supply would still help at this point, albeit not all that much for first doses. Edit: Next week is probably going to have our highest numbers on record. Pfizer supply goes up by 20%, and that's our workhorse, so likely to be over 500k as a country (Although some conservative provinces are hitting the edge of 1st dose demand)
Your numbers are going to soon be better than ours and may even be better now in some respects. This is how California looks in comparison.
https://covid19.ca.gov/vaccination-progress-data/
Our population is slightly higher than the entire Canada and we are down to 189,544 doses per day. And that is helped by having second doses available to everybody. We are at around 63% with at least 1 dose and 50% fully vaccinated. There's still a huge unvaccinated population and we are giving only roughly 4% of the population a dose every week. That includes people getting their second dose.
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As of Tuesday, my job will no longer require staff to wear a mask, which I'm pretty happy about.
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On May 29 2021 14:53 NrG.Bamboo wrote:
As of Tuesday, my job will no longer require staff to wear a mask, which I'm pretty happy about.
Indeed. After providing proof of vaccination I've gotten to do the same, which is a breath of fresh air relative to the silly "wear it just for the remote chance that you could spread it while vaccinated" rhetoric.
Hoping that the federal mask mandate lifts soon to finally recover a sense of normalcy.
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Our HR department sent out an email recently stating that all employees are to continue to wear masks when moving to/from our desk. Only when were alone can we take it down. ITS SOOOO TEDIOUS AND ANNOYING but i get it.
Also I still have a handful of coworkers who are still scared to take vaccines (or are picky with which one is avail). But as of now about 40% of all employees in the company are fully vaccinated. Which means we're definitely on track to be fully vac'd by Summer time.
Idk about you guys, but Im tired of my nose hair falling into my mask and into my mouth.
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On May 30 2021 02:10 Emnjay808 wrote:
Our HR department sent out an email recently stating that all employees are to continue to wear masks when moving to/from our desk. Only when were alone can we take it down. ITS SOOOO TEDIOUS AND ANNOYING but i get it.
Also I still have a handful of coworkers who are still scared to take vaccines (or are picky with which one is avail). But as of now about 40% of all employees in the company are fully vaccinated. Which means we're definitely on track to be fully vac'd by Summer time.
Idk about you guys, but Im tired of my nose hair falling into my mask and into my mouth. Your not wearing a mask for yourself, your doing it for the 60% around you that isnt vaccinated yet.
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On May 30 2021 02:16 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2021 02:10 Emnjay808 wrote:
Our HR department sent out an email recently stating that all employees are to continue to wear masks when moving to/from our desk. Only when were alone can we take it down. ITS SOOOO TEDIOUS AND ANNOYING but i get it.
Also I still have a handful of coworkers who are still scared to take vaccines (or are picky with which one is avail). But as of now about 40% of all employees in the company are fully vaccinated. Which means we're definitely on track to be fully vac'd by Summer time.
Idk about you guys, but Im tired of my nose hair falling into my mask and into my mouth. Your not wearing a mask for yourself, your doing it for the 60% around you that isnt vaccinated yet.
I left out some context. People who are fully vaccinated are working at office already while the rest are wfh.
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On May 30 2021 04:00 Emnjay808 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2021 02:16 Gorsameth wrote:On May 30 2021 02:10 Emnjay808 wrote:
Our HR department sent out an email recently stating that all employees are to continue to wear masks when moving to/from our desk. Only when were alone can we take it down. ITS SOOOO TEDIOUS AND ANNOYING but i get it.
Also I still have a handful of coworkers who are still scared to take vaccines (or are picky with which one is avail). But as of now about 40% of all employees in the company are fully vaccinated. Which means we're definitely on track to be fully vac'd by Summer time.
Idk about you guys, but Im tired of my nose hair falling into my mask and into my mouth. Your not wearing a mask for yourself, your doing it for the 60% around you that isnt vaccinated yet. I left out some context. People who are fully vaccinated are working at office already while the rest are wfh.
Questionable policy to reward people who don't vaccinate and punish those who do.
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On May 30 2021 04:33 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2021 04:11 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On May 30 2021 04:00 Emnjay808 wrote:On May 30 2021 02:16 Gorsameth wrote:On May 30 2021 02:10 Emnjay808 wrote:
Our HR department sent out an email recently stating that all employees are to continue to wear masks when moving to/from our desk. Only when were alone can we take it down. ITS SOOOO TEDIOUS AND ANNOYING but i get it.
Also I still have a handful of coworkers who are still scared to take vaccines (or are picky with which one is avail). But as of now about 40% of all employees in the company are fully vaccinated. Which means we're definitely on track to be fully vac'd by Summer time.
Idk about you guys, but Im tired of my nose hair falling into my mask and into my mouth. Your not wearing a mask for yourself, your doing it for the 60% around you that isnt vaccinated yet. I left out some context. People who are fully vaccinated are working at office already while the rest are wfh. Questionable policy to reward people who don't vaccinate and punish those who do. At this point I think most would like to return to the office, or at least be allowed too.
45min each way in public transit to get to/from work really puts a damper in me wanting to go to work. The benefits I get are:
1. Coffee
2. A/C
3. Exercise walking around
3. is the most compelling to me now. I get less than 2000 steps if I don't leave the house in a day, if I go to work, I usually hit 10k without trying. I'm about 12lbs heavier than pre-covid, and losing that is kinda challenging without slightly higher baseline calorie burn.
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