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Erasme
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
Video of tourist boat Niagara Falls Canada vs US. | ||
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JimmiC
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TheEmulator
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On July 26 2020 04:48 Sapaio wrote: Feel this video give a reason why USA is having big problems with convid. A large part of the population just don't seem to give a shit about it. Video of tourist boat Niagara Falls Canada vs US. Even some areas in Canada don't seem to give much of a shit. Here in Saskatchewan I honestly don't see that many people wearing masks, and we're almost on the final phase of opening everything up. Luckily we just don't have the population density most of the US has so our numbers have remained quite low. Although I will say people quarantined quite well here which is really nice, but masks are 100% an issue now that quarantine is basically over. | ||
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Fleetfeet
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KwarK
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LegalLord
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GreenHorizons
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Emnjay808
United States10665 Posts
All I’m hearing from our Gov is to stay safe and wear a mask. Okayyyy? What’s the fucking plan, sir???? | ||
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KwarK
United States43975 Posts
On July 26 2020 12:28 Emnjay808 wrote: What are the logical steps after flattening the curve? Hawaii flattened it, then we slowly reopened. Now we’re back to square one lol, 50cases/day. All I’m hearing from our Gov is to stay safe and wear a mask. Okayyyy? What’s the fucking plan, sir???? It'll be gone by Easter like magic. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On July 26 2020 12:28 Emnjay808 wrote: What are the logical steps after flattening the curve? Hawaii flattened it, then we slowly reopened. Now we’re back to square one lol, 50cases/day. All I’m hearing from our Gov is to stay safe and wear a mask. Okayyyy? What’s the fucking plan, sir???? For a state with all the natural advantages of Hawaii? Contact tracing and mandatory quarantine for arriving air traffic would be sufficient. You have the good fortune of small scale. Start letting people back in, and you're right back where you started. Oops. | ||
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TT1
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Emnjay808
United States10665 Posts
Contact tracing is what we're doing and its kinda working. Clusters are being identified but the specific locations are not being disclosed. So I guess the end game here is to just flatten the curve again? for the next few years? till everyone gets COVID(anti bodies)? I need gov officials to be more transparent. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On July 26 2020 12:28 Emnjay808 wrote: What are the logical steps after flattening the curve? Hawaii flattened it, then we slowly reopened. Now we’re back to square one lol, 50cases/day. All I’m hearing from our Gov is to stay safe and wear a mask. Okayyyy? What’s the fucking plan, sir???? That is the plan. There is no stopping the virus completely without dramatic worldwide lockdowns and quarantines that no one wants. You need to keep the new cases at a point where contact tracing can reach out to all known contacts of the newly infected within 48 hours. In addition, all testing needs to have results inside of 48 hours as well, so that you can minimize disruption for those infected (Do you need to quarantine, are you safe, etc.) BC is in this state. The only thing I somewhat wish we had was a mask mandate on public transit, but I don't want the bus drivers or employees to enforce that. I don't trust the mask conspiracists to not assault people who try to make them wear masks. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On July 26 2020 12:28 Emnjay808 wrote: What are the logical steps after flattening the curve? Hawaii flattened it, then we slowly reopened. Now we’re back to square one lol, 50cases/day. All I’m hearing from our Gov is to stay safe and wear a mask. Okayyyy? What’s the fucking plan, sir???? If we could all wear a mask for 20 days, it would be gone like trump promised. | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
My theory why we didn't go for mask in the first place, was that we didn't have high enough stock for the general population to buy them and the fear of hamstering plus running out for supply for medical staff and caretakers. But that is just my theory. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On July 26 2020 04:54 JimmiC wrote: You would at this point people would figure out how serious this given that now it is happening happening in a bunch of states at the same time. But given how it had happened in, Italy, Spain and New York before this. It appears that the US needs it to become a huge problem with many deaths very locally to have it make and impact. Bonus of things I think now everyone who participates in these threads is on board with it being a real issue and that measures are needed. What people seem to be unable to acknowledge is that the initial lockdowns failed. This is probably because of the sunk cost fallacy, which most normal humans generally apply. Because lockdowns failed, generally,* the eventual state of all places will be a result of the underlying customs, and people of that place, or you will wait for vaccine +6 months. Places with better environmental advantages (initially the US South, but now places that are more temperate like Europe because the South uses so much air conditioning in the summer) will look good, but eventually everyone hits their wave. This will obviously hit different places differently. NYC.did very badly initially, and now it looks ok. This is either because it has already burnt through the vulnerable (which is different and much lower than the 70% herd immunity number) or because it's super locked down still and will simply re-explode after. Florida looked good before (probably because of lack of indoorness) and now looks bad (Air conditioning primary suspect). I feel like comparing inter-country based on the rawest stats is like comparing German World Cup coaches with Australian coaches, and thinking the German coaches are obviously better. Maybe, but they also had huge advantages. From a pandemic POV, the US is the most disadvantaged 1st world country, probably by an order of magnitude because of demographics and borders. * In the West | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On July 26 2020 13:24 Emnjay808 wrote: Enforcing lockdown is impossible here. People are still breaking quarantine when they land even with the threat of being arrested. So even if they get caught, it still doesnt stop the fact that they may have already spread the virus. Its not perfect but its definitely an edge HI has over other states. Well at that point you have several options. You could turn a possibility of getting caught and arrested into a certainty, via surveillance. You could shut down the airports to all passenger traffic, a draconian measure that will be quite useless if it's out of sync with non-measures from the rest of the country or even a decent chunk (say, the southern states that caused this second wave). You could shut down all tourist attractions towards the same end, with the same downsides. You could just accept that some bad actors will slip through, and that the measures will have limited effectiveness, which is probably what's going to happen because it's the least offensive approach/ On July 26 2020 13:24 Emnjay808 wrote: Contact tracing is what we're doing and its kinda working. Clusters are being identified but the specific locations are not being disclosed. That's a good step, and as long as the case load is low it'll work. A thorough contact trace will touch more than one order of magnitude more people than the actual infected, though, so it doesn't scale. Gotta keep the numbers low as long as possible. On July 26 2020 13:24 Emnjay808 wrote: So I guess the end game here is to just flatten the curve again? for the next few years? till everyone gets COVID(anti bodies)? I need gov officials to be more transparent. The reality is that the endgame is probably just playing a game of chicken until the local government sees what the federal government does. There's only so much you can do if the rest of the country doesn't follow suit because a few bad states ruin it for everyone, necessitating a useful federal response. Otherwise you just lock down for nothing. The benefit of masks is likely quite minimal, but it's an inexpensive measure that allegedly helps, so mask orders are common. Easiest way to say you're doing something without a major downside, and on some level it's useful as a social signal. I honestly find "flatten the curve" to be a pretty terrible description of what should be done. The US curve is quite flat, hospitals are only rarely overloaded, and it's an unmitigated disaster with substantial death despite decent availability of medical care (no surprise - can't save people who get so sick that their lungs just stop working, and there are a lot of those). The real answer seems to be... "stop the virus in its tracks before it gets out of control, and contain it once it becomes small enough to manage." Because all the countries that locked it down are in a better state, and all those that either allowed mitigated spread or took a half-assed approach (e.g. US, Sweden) have a spread that both lasts longer and kills more people. Both the vaccine and the human firewood / herd immunity approach are too far away to be useful, and the government response is too incompetent to be useful. Yes indeed, quite the pickle we're in. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
Hospitals are still very oke and better prepared then before but eh. Self Quarentine is advised but nog mandated (nor enforcable I guess). -.- | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On July 26 2020 15:28 cLutZ wrote: NYC.did very badly initially, and now it looks ok. This is either because it has already burnt through the vulnerable (which is different and much lower than the 70% herd immunity number) or because it's super locked down still and will simply re-explode after. Florida looked good before (probably because of lack of indoorness) and now looks bad (Air conditioning primary suspect). New York looks like it could go either way at this point. Its numbers aren't catastrophic, but they're unimpressive all the same - worse than a European country of similar size and population density. And they're still more locked down than average after all this time and several phases of "reopening." A bit of complacency and I'm sure the infection curve will go right back to where it was in March. | ||
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