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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On July 22 2020 10:30 StalkerTL wrote: They have neither the power, resources or capability of enforcing a true lockdown. A significant number of Indians migrate seasonally for work and something like 80% of Indians are working informally, without proper contracts or government oversight. Even if you lock down the cities, it’s incredibly hard to keep track of all the informal behaviour occurring behind the scenes. For situations like this, China just brings out their army and suppresses everything into submission. You don’t need to keep track of informal behaviour when the army basically bars your front door shut. India might just be a "worst case scenario" country for dealing with pandemics. Probably why India has huge casualties from just about every big plague that goes around; the swine flu in India for example was a very big problem. I'm only surprised that the numbers were as allegedly low as they were for as long as they were. There was clear evidence of large localized infections at the same time that their testing showed minimal death, minimal infection, throughout the March-May timeframe. I suspect testing was mistargeted and that deaths were undocumented for a large portion of their infection. This current steady exponential just looks like that coming to light. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On July 23 2020 02:50 LegalLord wrote: India might just be a "worst case scenario" country for dealing with pandemics. Probably why India has huge casualties from just about every big plague that goes around; the swine flu in India for example was a very big problem. I'm only surprised that the numbers were as allegedly low as they were for as long as they were. There was clear evidence of large localized infections at the same time that their testing showed minimal death, minimal infection, throughout the March-May timeframe. I suspect testing was mistargeted and that deaths were undocumented for a large portion of their infection. This current steady exponential just looks like that coming to light. They could catch it pretty quickly in some areas, but if it got into some poorer areas, it could probably spread several generations before someone would even be brought to a doctor, let alone have access to testing, which is far, far too late to stop it from running rampant. Beyond a country-wide mask mandate, I'm not sure what they could even do. There's no safety net in the world that can handle hundreds of millions who are weeks at most away from starvation if they don't work. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On July 23 2020 02:35 Erasme wrote: As a person who counts many doctors and nurses as his friends, the inability of some to wear a mask angers me greatly It's not even inability which is the most frustrating part. It's pure selfishness and unwillingness. If a mask protected yourself 100%, I'd be fine with those idiots catching it, because I'm fully willing to wear a mask every time I'm out of the house, but that isn't the case. The mask primarily protects others from spreading it. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
AR, LA, SC are still in the thick of it. The United States dropped $2 bil for Pfizer/BioNTech SE vaccine still under development. mRNA type.Bloomberg | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On July 23 2020 03:15 Danglars wrote: FL, CA, TX, GA, AZ looking better. New cases, percent positive, hospital capacity, the works. Encouraging news for those that can accept it, considering the press treatment of these states and hysteria earlier. AR, LA, SC are still in the thick of it. The United States dropped $2 bil for Pfizer/BioNTech SE vaccine still under development. mRNA type.Bloomberg Sounds fair. Governments are buying up supply of potential vaccines so that at the first sign of promising results the vaccine is immediately available for distribution. Global capacity for production is limited so there's room for a lot of major players in the market for a vaccine. https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/lot-release/influenza-vaccine-2019-2020-season There were 6 manufacturers of 9 innoculations for the flu, so even if a manufacturer has a failed vaccine, I'm pretty sure they'd still make money by licensing vaccines from a successful candidate and just pumping out supply. Too soon to draw conclusions about the top 5 states IMO. Florida has something like a 7-9 day testing backlog, and the 7 day trend is still hovering around the 18-19% mark. It's not going up which is hopeful. It's still far higher than you'd want for a controllable spread. Arizona is around the 24% positive mark which is much higher than we can make informed decisions about. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/individual-states/usa | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On July 23 2020 04:04 Lmui wrote: Sounds fair. Governments are buying up supply of potential vaccines so that at the first sign of promising results the vaccine is immediately available for distribution. Global capacity for production is limited so there's room for a lot of major players in the market for a vaccine. https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/lot-release/influenza-vaccine-2019-2020-season There were 6 manufacturers of 9 innoculations for the flu, so even if a manufacturer has a failed vaccine, I'm pretty sure they'd still make money by licensing vaccines from a successful candidate and just pumping out supply. Too soon to draw conclusions about the top 5 states IMO. Florida has something like a 7-9 day testing backlog, and the 7 day trend is still hovering around the 18-19% mark. It's not going up which is hopeful. It's still far higher than you'd want for a controllable spread. Arizona is around the 24% positive mark which is much higher than we can make informed decisions about. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/individual-states/usa To the extent that this trend could reverse, you’re totally right. That much is true. Now, the potential impact of FL backlog unpredictability is hampered by the sheer magnitude of tests conducted: around 100k daily. It’s tough for anything major to slip by that we wouldn’t have seen already, even with reporting delays. Testing is hovering around 10-18% positive, sustained for weeks now. (Today 10% yesterday 14% same day last week 14%). AZ is high, but last week’s trend towards peak and fall is sustained. AZ is good path, and more certain relative to GA or CA. To give the trends: It’s a regional phenomenon in the US. States hit hard early seeing biggest improvements, states that never had their first wave saw their big one now, and a few states may be just starting theirs now. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
We'll see where the USA goes from here. The deathrate hasn't peaked yet - probably 1-2 more weeks from here to see the deaths peak, and then there's a long tail of deaths afterwards. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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gabapentins
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
Layman's article about the 4 vaccines. The Chinese vaccine is unlikely to be a global solution, but may provide some limited protection. The others are fairly promising - all elicit antibody/T-cell responses equivalent to a covid infection, and side effects are generally mild. | ||
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3474 Posts
On July 24 2020 02:35 Lmui wrote: https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/07/meet-the-4-frontrunners-in-the-covid-19-vaccine-race/ Layman's article about the 4 vaccines. The Chinese vaccine is unlikely to be a global solution, but may provide some limited protection. The others are fairly promising - all elicit antibody/T-cell responses equivalent to a covid infection, and side effects are generally mild. As my wife is working at BioNTech, I certainly hope so  | ||
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pmh
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If it will help or not i honestly do not know,i doubt it will make much of a difference seeing how the epidemic has develloped thus far but maybe it will buy some extra time. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22630 Posts
On July 24 2020 07:37 pmh wrote: Looks like the netherlands will also expand its mask policy. There is pressure now from a few experts who advise the government and on the most rightwing tv channel aimed at younger people they where discussing masks today. We are slowly beeing made ready for the announcement which i expect to be friday or tuesday at the latest. If it will help or not i honestly do not know,i doubt it will make much of a difference seeing how the epidemic has develloped thus far but maybe it will buy some extra time. Cases are standing to slowly trend back up, and the same is playing out in other countries. Some more measures appear to be needed and hopefully more masks will stop bigger measures from being needed. No one wants to go back into lockdown. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 23 2020 02:35 Erasme wrote: As a person who counts many doctors and nurses as his friends, the inability of some to wear a mask angers me greatly I call it human stupidity. Unfortunately there are a lot of morons and we will eventually all be fucked. There is no hope for the human race. Sorry this is fact. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
In Florida as of Wednesday night, 28,087 children have contracted the virus, 282 have been hospitalized and five have died, according to state data. The other four deaths were a 17-year-old boy in Pasco County, a 16-year-old girl in Lee County, a 11-year-old boy in Miami-Dade County and a 11-year-old girl in Broward County. From this article: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article244425032.html Florida is seeing a 1% hospitalization rate for children who have detected infections. That's a staggering number for a demographic which is low risk. It's naive to think that it wouldn't spread rapidly in schools if parents who cannot afford daycare just toss kids to school with "just a cold" rather than keeping them home. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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