Coronavirus and You - Page 205

On July 17 2020 11:23 Danglars wrote:
Deaths lag cases and AZ had a spike in cases. I thought AZ would be able to load-balance hospitals and put in place surge plans, and so far that's born out, and looks increasingly likely to be sustained with the graph I linked.

I'm not going to indulge the hysterics of anyone here that screams at the cases when they're bad and deaths aren't, then switches to screaming about the deaths when they're bad and cases aren't. That's the worst of media, and we have no use for acting like clicks and attention is all we post for.

On July 17 2020 11:40 Wombat_NI wrote:

They’re both pretty bad to have no?

Given that recovered people may have long term health complications in all sorts of areas that weren’t previously understood earlier on in this crisis. Can still be ruinous if it’s not fatal.

We’ll see how it progresses, it would seem odd to have a country with such variable enforcement re Covid and such a reluctance culturally to wear masks, with the existing rates we’re already seeing to not have at least some uptake in the death toll.

Sure some people do stray into hysterics, absolutely. Still preferable to ‘it’s a hoax’ or that wearing masks do nothing though at this stage.

On July 17 2020 11:41 JimmiC wrote:

You have amazing logic, you said it was not an issue because wealths were not rising. We told you they would come. They have now came, and now dealths don’t matter.

Also the climb not continue does not mean cases have stopped it means there is still a lot of new cases every day, just it is not growing.

Also death , new cases, hospitalizations and so on are not hysterics, they are simply numbers. But you have clearly shown that you do not care about the facts only moving the goalposts.

I’m not sure what your motivations are I just wished there was not so many of you ignoring facts because that is not going to get it under control. You will back to 911 numbers daily soon enough.


Also no travel for Americans is going to be a hard pill to swallow for many, borders will be closed to the US for a long time.

On July 17 2020 12:05 JimmiC wrote:
What helps reduce the amount dying best is not getting your entire population infected.

So I’m guessing you are against all the states reintroducing or introducing new measure, and support the Georgia governor suing the mayor of Atlanta.

On July 17 2020 12:11 StalkerTL wrote:
Am I the only person who doesn’t care about the death rate considering this is a coronavirus with very well documented side effects even after the patient has “recovered” from the worst of it? It’s the exact same sort of symptoms as things like swine flu, only those kill a whole lot more (which is probably a good thing to limit spread) and don’t spread like this specific strain.

We’re talking about organ damage, still loss of smell and/taste weeks after the initial symptoms, chronic fatigue in even very young and healthy individuals.

The goal should to limit the risk of people getting these side effects of coronavirus, not point to a still incredibly high death rate that isn’t spiking despite the high positive rates as a sign that it’s totally safe to expose the entire population to the virus by reopening the economy completely and sending kids straight back to school.

On July 17 2020 12:30 JimmiC wrote:

Please do not make this political it is not the place.

You seem to be arguing me, and if it not the numbers you disagree, it was a safe presumption that it was the measures.

So let me know what you think should be the measures in these highly infected states? And what measures should not be allowed?

Oh and so you are up to date the pediatrics doctors pulled their recommendation to have schools open while cases are spiking like they are.

On July 17 2020 12:36 StalkerTL wrote:
The AAP’s recommendations are for kids to go back to school, only if it is safe to do so and appropriate measures are provided.

“Returning to school is important for the healthy development and well-being of children, but we must pursue re-opening in a way that is safe for all students, teachers and staff. Science should drive decision-making on safely reopening schools. Public health agencies must make recommendations based on evidence, not politics. We should leave it to health experts to tell us when the time is best to open up school buildings, and listen to educators and administrators to shape how we do it.

“Local school leaders, public health experts, educators and parents must be at the center of decisions about how and when to reopen schools, taking into account the spread of COVID-19 in their communities and the capacities of school districts to adapt safety protocols to make in-person learning safe and feasible. For instance, schools in areas with high levels of COVID-19 community spread should not be compelled to reopen against the judgment of local experts. A one-size-fits-all approach is not appropriate for return to school decisions.

No one disagrees with kids needing to go back to school. The problem is that a lot of states like Florida, Texas and Georgia are not taking a science based approach and making the handling of coronavirus entirely a political thing. Does anyone honesty believe Brian Kemp is making decisions based on expert opinion?

The problem is that politicians are not controlling coronavirus and are pressuring schools to reopen no matter what. Which is against the AAP recommendations.

Edit: As for caring about kid’s wellbeing, that was to be done at the start of the pandemic and not now. And what about the wellbeing of staff, many of whom are at risk of coronavirus? If there were only a handful of cases, then sure we can implement PPE, social distancing and in-class rotations. But numerous states in America are listing 10,000 know coronavirus cases a single day. And schools are undervalued and underfunded, are they truly going to be safe when most teachers are forced to provide their own supplies for their students? And what happens if staff get sick from coronavirus, what happens to the school at that point?

On July 17 2020 13:39 Danglars wrote:

You lost the right to not make this political the same second you guessed I supported the GA governor. Try not to make such spurious allegations next time.

It's the behavior that must back up the words.

It's interesting to hear the case for chronic damage/side effects, yet still claim "no one disagrees with kids needing to go back to school." You just made the case that it won't be safe until transmission is gone. So which is it? I'm genuinely curious if you've thought through your case for safety. There's always risk, and I won't presume you meant until the last sick person recovers.

On July 17 2020 15:37 Simberto wrote:
I think opening up is best viewed as you investing R numbers into getting other stuff. If you have a low enough case count, and R is below 1, you can open up some things until R is barely below 1. Maybe opening restaurants with safety precautions increases R by 0.02, opening schools raises it by 0.03 (Numbers are an example and come out of my arse because i don't think we actually have reliable measures as to which opening increase spread by how much).

So we should prioritize which things to open up in which order to try to optimize our opening. I think schools should indeed be very far at the top of the list. If R is above 1, you need to close stuff down again.

The main problem here is that the US don't really have R-numbers to spare to invest. So their goal should be to do what we did months ago, and just lock down hard (mostly in the states which are hit the most hard), and possibly shut down state borders. You shouldn't be talking about opening stuff right now. You may shift stuff around by locking down a bunch of other things, and opening schools up in some way again.

Somehow the US skipped the "getting the disease down" part before lockdown.