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Blizzard’s Official Statement: https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/blizzard/23185888/regarding-last-weekend-s-hearthstone-grandmasters-tournament Comment by JJR in case Blizzard tries to pull off a ninja edit: https://tl.net/forum/general/551816-blizzard-bans-hs-pro-for-political-statement?page=27#529 | ||
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Kerotan
England2111 Posts
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RealityTheGreat
China564 Posts
For example, no Blizzard Game bases on real world politic background. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
I was going to be getting Overwatch on Switch but that's a nope from me now. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/8/20905181/blizzard-hearthstone-player-ban-marco-rubio-ron-wyden-china-hong-kong-protests-blitzchung Any newsite I go to basically talks about this now. | ||
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Slydie
2014 Posts
On October 10 2019 08:59 RealityTheGreat wrote: Blizzard doesn't like to mix up politic and games. For example, no Blizzard Game bases on real world politic background. They did have other options: -Ignore the incident, privately warning the player this could not be repeated. -An obvilously mild punishment, trying to appear neutral. -A justified punishment, in line with what they have done in similar cases. This reaction was political in itself, and they should be very aware it would cause outrage in the western world. Is the Chinese market really so important they are willing to take the risk of losing everything else? | ||
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Kerotan
England2111 Posts
On October 10 2019 08:59 RealityTheGreat wrote: Blizzard doesn't like to mix up politic and games. For example, no Blizzard Game bases on real world politic background. Games and politics are always going to be related: They are quite happy to get into politics when they make Tracer a woman who likes woman. | ||
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blunderfulguy
United States1415 Posts
And this: On October 10 2019 03:57 phodacbiet wrote: To use a Starcraft analogy, this is similar to Mengsk, Reynor, and Kerrigan working together, yet Mengsk abandoned Kerrigan on that one planet (forgot the name). When Reynor became rightfully pissed for what Mengsk did and turned on him, Mengsk called Reynor a terrorist. China is pulling a Mengsk right now. This is just awesome. So many games, movies, TV shows, books are about the kinds of things happening in Hong Kong because it matters, because it's important, because it resonates (or at least it's supposed to). And it makes so much more painful when it's a company that used to make those kinds of games and stand and speak up for oppressed people that does something as astonishingly immoral as this. Even though it feels like none of us here have any power to right any wrongs in the world, it makes me happy seeing people get upset, be disgusted, and get mad about a few things going on right now. That's the right response. I wish I had more to say, but, a lot of good stuff has already been said. Hopefully all the bullshit happening all over the world starts to change for the better, and very, very soon. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17927 Posts
On October 10 2019 09:17 Kerotan wrote: Games and politics are always going to be related: They are quite happy to get into politics when they make Tracer a woman who likes woman. i'm pretty sure Blizzard only "celebrates" gay pride in certain countries it is not a global initiative. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
On October 10 2019 09:17 Kerotan wrote: Games and politics are always going to be related: They are quite happy to get into politics when they make Tracer a woman who likes woman. Also, she isn't in China | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On October 10 2019 08:20 JimmyJRaynor wrote: #1. Morey is a Prez of B-Ball Ops not a coach. #2. He immediately deleted his tweet and said he didn't mean to offend any one and that he is just 1 guy with 1 opnion and imperfect information living the USA who has not experienced what its like to live in China. #3. You're painting of over simplified picture of what the NBA did. There is way more to it than "they supported the coach free of speach" whatever that is. Check out James Harden's profuse apology and his proclamation that he loves everything about China. Klay Thompson has a big deal with a Chinese company. I don't think you're going to hear him engaging in symbolic gestures supporting the Hong Kong protesters. The NBA is struggling with this issue just like Blizzard is. It's funny to see Trump attacking the NBA on this matter and for once, Trump has the moral high ground. Never thought I would see the day. | ||
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TaylorG
Canada9 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
On October 10 2019 09:42 TaylorG wrote: imo, nobody here has the slightest clue as to how politics work.... my guess is anyone angry at this has issue themselves and just using this to justify their anger Jesus | ||
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blunderfulguy
United States1415 Posts
On October 10 2019 09:42 TaylorG wrote: imo, nobody here has the slightest clue as to how politics work.... my guess is anyone angry at this has issue themselves and just using this to justify their anger The "Nothing is wrong, people are just angry and using this as an excuse" take is always such a terrible one. There are unjust things happening all over the place that are constantly making people upset for good reason, this one in particular has to do with the owners of the games this community is built around doing something obviously greedy and absurd. Or, obvious to most people, apparently not all. My guess is people coming in to say something as trite as your comment are so miserable and careless that the only thing they can imagine is to put down the people who care speaking up about serious issues in order to pretend that their own miserableness is normal and acceptable behavior. My other guess is that this has nothing to do with people understanding or not understanding politics but rather that people fundamentally disagree with the fact that a US company is silencing opposition to oppressive foreign entities grotesquely spitting in the face of basic human rights for shallow, selfish reasons. But what do I know. | ||
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AmFreak
16 Posts
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Yurie
12175 Posts
On October 10 2019 09:57 blunderfulguy wrote: The "Nothing is wrong, people are just angry and using this as an excuse" take is always such a terrible one. There are unjust things happening all over the place that are constantly making people upset for good reason, this one in particular has to do with the owners of the games this community is built around doing something obviously greedy and absurd. Or, obvious to most people, apparently not all. My guess is people coming in to say something as trite as your comment are so miserable and careless that the only thing they can imagine is to put down the people who care speaking up about serious issues in order to pretend that their own miserableness is normal and acceptable behavior. My other guess is that this has nothing to do with people understanding or not understanding politics but rather that people fundamentally disagree with the fact that a US company is silencing opposition to oppressive foreign entities grotesquely spitting in the face of basic human rights for shallow, selfish reasons. But what do I know. I think a large part of why a lot of people care about this specific case is that companies have made strong pushes to get you to identify with them. Blizzard seems to have succeed on this in the past. Then they suddenly decide to break one of the core identity tenets they have been pushing. Thus breaking people's identification with them. Most people (outside China) have been of the same opinion since the beginning and Blizzard toeing the opposite line is of course not making them a lot of fans. | ||
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emperorofwild
87 Posts
On October 09 2019 16:11 pzlama333 wrote: First, Taiwan is not a country. United Nation does not recognize it. United States does not recognize it. Russia does not recognize it. United Kingdom, France, and all European Union countries do not recognize it. Most countries in the world do not recognize it. Even Taiwan's own "constitution", claim itself as part of China, under the name of "Republic of China". Technically, the mainland and the government in the island are still at full war state, and there is not even a cease fire. Second, Blizzard has its rules and will follow it. Anyone who compete an official competition also must accept it. If someone break the rules, whatever it is cheating or insulting other people, Blizzard has and will use its power. Not only Blizzard, most major sports organizations all have such rules. One example is FIFA, which bans all politics in any soccer event. 3. The riots and terrorists in Hong Kong do not seek freedom of speech. They seek freedom of making crimes and separation by force. They burn subway and banks, loot shops, block airport, and attack police, tourists and random people on street. If anyone want to support such actions, I assume that they are no difference with 9/11 attackers. good for you! I can not believe these people go this far! No discussion about politic view is right or wrong,the rules are just no politics in game, isn't it clear enough? or the HK guy just said something you guys like to hear, rules are gone? so how abOut plAyers say Hk/TW belOngs to ChIna instead of glhf in game? I guess it's not OK because you guys are soso double standard | ||
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Yurie
12175 Posts
On October 10 2019 10:40 emperorofwild wrote: good for you! I can not believe these people go this far! No discussion about politic view is right or wrong,the rules are just no politics in game, isn't it clear enough? or the HK guy just said something you guys like to hear, rules are gone? so how abOut plAyers say Hk/TW belOngs to ChIna instead of glhf in game? I guess it's not OK because you guys are soso double standard It was not said in the game. It was said outside the game in the extra content section that I hardly ever watch in e-sports or normal sports. Secondly, the punishment is not proportional with the action. If the action was a warning (perhaps a minor fine) with the VOD up with a disclaimer added there would be no thread here. Third, if somebody is of that opinion and made it in the extra section that is there to tell you more about the players to personalize them I wouldn't think it is wrong. I would not agree with their opinion and likely lose respect for them as a person but would not request them to remove the VOD. It is not hate speech in either case. Somebody going out and saying kill all the police or kill all the Islamic people in China in a serious way would deserve a similar response as what this got. Especially if they pushed people to join them in the actions. Stating support with a moment that is mostly positive or pointing out current political problems doesn't really match that. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
It is trying to maintain access to its 2nd/3rd biggest market, and likely its most rapidly growing market. freedom of speech =/= saying whatever you want, whenever you want, without consequences. The HS player hijacked Blizzard's platform, broke the ELUA, and jeopardized the ability of Blizzard to do business in one of its major markets. Blizzard choosing to stay apolitical =/= complicity with China. If the people who are outraged over this want to be consistent and non hypocritical, they should show this outrage to companies such as Apple, Nike, Ford, GM, Costco, Walmart, etc as well. If you really want to go down the rabbit hole, the U.S. and its NATO cronies have engaged in practices that violate human rights as well. Might as well speak out against NATO countries and companies associated with them as well. | ||
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emperorofwild
87 Posts
On October 09 2019 16:19 hitthat wrote: Are you Americans all like that? No, it's not even REMOTELY comperable to 9/11. I do not question the rights of the chinese gouverment to the Hong Kong, but compering a rioters with clear political statement to a terrorists who did mass murder with primary intention to kill as many people they can just to send a message they want war is geting too far. the rioters declared that they will attack offwork police officers and THIER FAMILY. Infact they already did.is it kind of terrorism? | ||
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meiji_emperor
27 Posts
Also I will take this opportunity to shill for worker cooperatives. I encourage everyone on TL to learn about more democratic ways to organize businesses. Richard Wolff is an economist who supports coops, his organization Democracy at Work is a good source of information (democracyatwork.info). Also, the Mondragon Cooperative Corporation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation) in Spain is the worlds largest worker owned enterprise, highly competitive, and an example we should all learn about as well. | ||
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