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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On May 30 2007 08:29 boghat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2007 08:20 GrandInquisitor wrote:As for the stalking I agree that it is scary. But so is terrorism. That might the most god-awful, hilarious, fucked-up analogy I've ever read. How is stalking and terrorism that different? In both cases you are being terrorized by a threat that most of the time doesn't actually do anything, it just causes fear. I really don't see how this analogy is that bad. Stalking might be more personal but that doesn't completely destroy the analogy. Show nested quote +On May 30 2007 08:20 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Yeah. And the only cases you hear about people dying of natural causes are usually for really famous people, that doesn't mean that only famous people die of natural causes. What you're saying here is that non-famous people can get stalked too. Isn't this kind of contradictory to your point? You are saying her being known is going to cause her to be more likely to be stalked but you are also saying nonfamous people can easily be stalked too. You even mention Cho who stalked girls that weren't famous at all, he just knew them. Mentally disturbed people like Cho are going to stalk people no matter what and a lot of the time they just stalk people they've seen and actually live near. Basically my point about not worrying about stalking stands because you yourself have said that stalking can affect all women.
The response to both parts is that she's suddenly and drastically increased her risk of being stalked exponentially. Before she was only at risk within people who knew her personally; now everyone in her area and/or willing to go to her area, potentially.
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On May 30 2007 08:40 ilovezil wrote:
As a few people mentioned, all of this is brought about by society. A person can only have as much power as others give him or her. This is the reason why more attractive people generally have an easier time. On the same token, however, they have to suffer the consequences of the very asset that gives them that leeway. Allison Stokes is suffering from this double-edged sword. The interesting thing is that she apparently doesn't care much about her looks (at least from what she's been saying).
Who is going to say, "Oh I care a ton about my looks", without fear of sounding vain and egotistical? Of course she cares about her looks. Everyone fucking cares about their appearance, but only pricks are going to spout off about it.
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There's actually a couple facebook fan clubs for the girl too...I'd like to feel bad for her for all that's happening..but, this is what happens to people who excel at a sport, and in this case are also very attractive. It's inevitable, anyone who's top of his or her particular area of expertise is bound to run into such issues sooner or later, but to me it seems as though it's part of the tradeoff of having such amazing abilities....she just needs to try and look past it as a horrible thing, and take in the good with the bad.
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And once again the internet discovered another hot girl. Soon you'll be replaced by another one.
You can't fight the internet. You can get money out of it, but you can't destroy the unholy power.
It's too complicated...
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On May 30 2007 08:47 GrandInquisitor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2007 08:29 boghat wrote:On May 30 2007 08:20 GrandInquisitor wrote:As for the stalking I agree that it is scary. But so is terrorism. That might the most god-awful, hilarious, fucked-up analogy I've ever read. How is stalking and terrorism that different? In both cases you are being terrorized by a threat that most of the time doesn't actually do anything, it just causes fear. I really don't see how this analogy is that bad. Stalking might be more personal but that doesn't completely destroy the analogy. On May 30 2007 08:20 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Yeah. And the only cases you hear about people dying of natural causes are usually for really famous people, that doesn't mean that only famous people die of natural causes. What you're saying here is that non-famous people can get stalked too. Isn't this kind of contradictory to your point? You are saying her being known is going to cause her to be more likely to be stalked but you are also saying nonfamous people can easily be stalked too. You even mention Cho who stalked girls that weren't famous at all, he just knew them. Mentally disturbed people like Cho are going to stalk people no matter what and a lot of the time they just stalk people they've seen and actually live near. Basically my point about not worrying about stalking stands because you yourself have said that stalking can affect all women. The response to both parts is that she's suddenly and drastically increased her risk of being stalked exponentially. Before she was only at risk within people who knew her personally; now everyone in her area and/or willing to go to her area, potentially.
I can agree with you on this point. But I don't see how this is any different than being on the local news or in the local newspaper or on national TV or anything of the sort. People get 15 minutes of fame all the time, attractive females more than most, so why should this situation be anything special? I guess the answer could be she didn't ask for this fame but that's not really true. It sounds like she would love to be a famous pole vaulter and I'm sure she's been in the local newspaper at least.
I just think she shouldn't be mad for being famous because she's attractive rather than for being a pole vaulter. It's pretty silly. If she was a famous pole vaulter she'd still have to deal with the same stalking problems and there would actually be much much more photographs of her in skimpy track outfits being posted all over the internet.
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On May 30 2007 08:49 marquis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2007 08:40 ilovezil wrote:
As a few people mentioned, all of this is brought about by society. A person can only have as much power as others give him or her. This is the reason why more attractive people generally have an easier time. On the same token, however, they have to suffer the consequences of the very asset that gives them that leeway. Allison Stokes is suffering from this double-edged sword. The interesting thing is that she apparently doesn't care much about her looks (at least from what she's been saying). Who is going to say, "Oh I care a ton about my looks", without fear of sounding vain and egotistical? Of course she cares about her looks. Everyone fucking cares about their appearance, but only pricks are going to spout off about it.
Yea, but she seems to almost regret being pretty in this case due to the unwanted attnetion she's getting. You're right though, everyone does care about their looks in some sense at least.
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Stalking is a natural and instinctive behavior which we have inherited from our great ancestor: the grizzly bear.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On May 30 2007 08:56 boghat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2007 08:47 GrandInquisitor wrote:On May 30 2007 08:29 boghat wrote:On May 30 2007 08:20 GrandInquisitor wrote:As for the stalking I agree that it is scary. But so is terrorism. That might the most god-awful, hilarious, fucked-up analogy I've ever read. How is stalking and terrorism that different? In both cases you are being terrorized by a threat that most of the time doesn't actually do anything, it just causes fear. I really don't see how this analogy is that bad. Stalking might be more personal but that doesn't completely destroy the analogy. On May 30 2007 08:20 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Yeah. And the only cases you hear about people dying of natural causes are usually for really famous people, that doesn't mean that only famous people die of natural causes. What you're saying here is that non-famous people can get stalked too. Isn't this kind of contradictory to your point? You are saying her being known is going to cause her to be more likely to be stalked but you are also saying nonfamous people can easily be stalked too. You even mention Cho who stalked girls that weren't famous at all, he just knew them. Mentally disturbed people like Cho are going to stalk people no matter what and a lot of the time they just stalk people they've seen and actually live near. Basically my point about not worrying about stalking stands because you yourself have said that stalking can affect all women. The response to both parts is that she's suddenly and drastically increased her risk of being stalked exponentially. Before she was only at risk within people who knew her personally; now everyone in her area and/or willing to go to her area, potentially. I can agree with you on this point. But I don't see how this is any different than being on the local news or in the local newspaper or on national TV or anything of the sort. People get 15 minutes of fame all the time, attractive females more than most, so why should this situation be anything special? I guess the answer could be she didn't ask for this fame but that's not really true. It sounds like she would love to be a famous pole vaulter and I'm sure she's been in the local newspaper at least. I just think she shouldn't be mad for being famous because she's attractive rather than for being a pole vaulter. It's pretty silly. If she was a famous pole vaulter she'd still have to deal with the same stalking problems and there would actually be much much more photographs of her in skimpy track outfits being posted all over the internet.
Let's be perfectly honest. This has absolutely nothing to do with her being a pole vaulter. Explain to me, at all, how she possibly asked for this kind of stalker-ish fame merely by participating in high school pole vaulting? I don't know where you grew up, but no one goes into high school pole vaulting to be famous.
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On May 30 2007 09:09 GrandInquisitor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2007 08:56 boghat wrote:On May 30 2007 08:47 GrandInquisitor wrote:On May 30 2007 08:29 boghat wrote:On May 30 2007 08:20 GrandInquisitor wrote:As for the stalking I agree that it is scary. But so is terrorism. That might the most god-awful, hilarious, fucked-up analogy I've ever read. How is stalking and terrorism that different? In both cases you are being terrorized by a threat that most of the time doesn't actually do anything, it just causes fear. I really don't see how this analogy is that bad. Stalking might be more personal but that doesn't completely destroy the analogy. On May 30 2007 08:20 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Yeah. And the only cases you hear about people dying of natural causes are usually for really famous people, that doesn't mean that only famous people die of natural causes. What you're saying here is that non-famous people can get stalked too. Isn't this kind of contradictory to your point? You are saying her being known is going to cause her to be more likely to be stalked but you are also saying nonfamous people can easily be stalked too. You even mention Cho who stalked girls that weren't famous at all, he just knew them. Mentally disturbed people like Cho are going to stalk people no matter what and a lot of the time they just stalk people they've seen and actually live near. Basically my point about not worrying about stalking stands because you yourself have said that stalking can affect all women. The response to both parts is that she's suddenly and drastically increased her risk of being stalked exponentially. Before she was only at risk within people who knew her personally; now everyone in her area and/or willing to go to her area, potentially. I can agree with you on this point. But I don't see how this is any different than being on the local news or in the local newspaper or on national TV or anything of the sort. People get 15 minutes of fame all the time, attractive females more than most, so why should this situation be anything special? I guess the answer could be she didn't ask for this fame but that's not really true. It sounds like she would love to be a famous pole vaulter and I'm sure she's been in the local newspaper at least. I just think she shouldn't be mad for being famous because she's attractive rather than for being a pole vaulter. It's pretty silly. If she was a famous pole vaulter she'd still have to deal with the same stalking problems and there would actually be much much more photographs of her in skimpy track outfits being posted all over the internet. Let's be perfectly honest. This has absolutely nothing to do with her being a pole vaulter. Explain to me, at all, how she possibly asked for this kind of stalker-ish fame merely by participating in high school pole vaulting? I don't know where you grew up, but no one goes into high school pole vaulting to be famous.
Eh, it seems like if she could be famous for pole vaulting she would want to be. That article says: "In her high school track and field career, Stokke had won a 2004 California state pole vaulting title, broken five national records and earned a scholarship to the University of California, yet only track devotees had noticed." It's hard to know if this became such a big story just because it's somewhat of a precedent or because she is really well known for her pole vaulting. She's not just some random girl, she was obviously getting some attention before this happened.
She just seems to be mad because she's only being recognized for her looks and not her pole vaulting accomplishments. But she should realize that this is how it is for almost all attractive female athletes. No one really cares what accomplishments Anna Kournikova has for example except that she's extremely pretty.
Whatever though, I'm really bored with this topic now. If you want to take this resignation as me acknowledging defeat in our argument then I'm fine with that. 
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wtf this picture obviously wasn't from a team meet or a practice or some casual event look at the picture
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her dad is going to close teamliquid down
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On May 30 2007 09:22 boghat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2007 09:09 GrandInquisitor wrote:On May 30 2007 08:56 boghat wrote:On May 30 2007 08:47 GrandInquisitor wrote:On May 30 2007 08:29 boghat wrote:On May 30 2007 08:20 GrandInquisitor wrote:As for the stalking I agree that it is scary. But so is terrorism. That might the most god-awful, hilarious, fucked-up analogy I've ever read. How is stalking and terrorism that different? In both cases you are being terrorized by a threat that most of the time doesn't actually do anything, it just causes fear. I really don't see how this analogy is that bad. Stalking might be more personal but that doesn't completely destroy the analogy. On May 30 2007 08:20 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Yeah. And the only cases you hear about people dying of natural causes are usually for really famous people, that doesn't mean that only famous people die of natural causes. What you're saying here is that non-famous people can get stalked too. Isn't this kind of contradictory to your point? You are saying her being known is going to cause her to be more likely to be stalked but you are also saying nonfamous people can easily be stalked too. You even mention Cho who stalked girls that weren't famous at all, he just knew them. Mentally disturbed people like Cho are going to stalk people no matter what and a lot of the time they just stalk people they've seen and actually live near. Basically my point about not worrying about stalking stands because you yourself have said that stalking can affect all women. The response to both parts is that she's suddenly and drastically increased her risk of being stalked exponentially. Before she was only at risk within people who knew her personally; now everyone in her area and/or willing to go to her area, potentially. I can agree with you on this point. But I don't see how this is any different than being on the local news or in the local newspaper or on national TV or anything of the sort. People get 15 minutes of fame all the time, attractive females more than most, so why should this situation be anything special? I guess the answer could be she didn't ask for this fame but that's not really true. It sounds like she would love to be a famous pole vaulter and I'm sure she's been in the local newspaper at least. I just think she shouldn't be mad for being famous because she's attractive rather than for being a pole vaulter. It's pretty silly. If she was a famous pole vaulter she'd still have to deal with the same stalking problems and there would actually be much much more photographs of her in skimpy track outfits being posted all over the internet. Let's be perfectly honest. This has absolutely nothing to do with her being a pole vaulter. Explain to me, at all, how she possibly asked for this kind of stalker-ish fame merely by participating in high school pole vaulting? I don't know where you grew up, but no one goes into high school pole vaulting to be famous. Eh, it seems like if she could be famous for pole vaulting she would want to be. That article says: "In her high school track and field career, Stokke had won a 2004 California state pole vaulting title, broken five national records and earned a scholarship to the University of California, yet only track devotees had noticed." It's hard to know if this became such a big story just because it's somewhat of a precedent or because she is really well known for her pole vaulting. She's not just some random girl, she was obviously getting some attention before this happened. She just seems to be mad because she's only being recognized for her looks and not her pole vaulting accomplishments. But she should realize that this is how it is for almost all attractive female athletes. No one really cares what accomplishments Anna Kournikova has for example except that she's extremely pretty.
God, how crestfallen and disappointed she must have been that she isn't famous for her pole vaulting. I mean, everyone knows the ticket to being on the American cable news networks 24/7 is to become a superstar pole vaulter. What a fucking famewhore she must be ~_~
That is total bullshit and you know it.
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that page has shut down, so whats the horrible picture? i cant see it and if its the one where shes in her track uniform, i mean wtf. Just be happy its not like they are sitting outside your locker room waiting fory ou to change
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On May 30 2007 08:59 CoralReefer wrote:
Stalking is a natural and instinctive behavior which we have inherited from our great ancestor: the grizzly bear.
haha excellent
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Well, there's downsides with being extremly hot and succesful in sports too. Buuuueewhuuuuuew.
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On May 30 2007 06:35 Metal[x] wrote:I think someone said she was wearing a Cal sweatshit? Evan and whoever is going to berkeley can meet her!!! 
Hell yea she's coming to Cal. This will improve our average hotness level from 0 robjes to.... 0.1 robjes... sigh...
Anyway, the claims that she was looking for fame is bullshit. She's a fucking pole vaulter. The biggest problem with all the internet exposure is not from the fact that the masses now recognize her and talk about her, but that a select few from those masses could be stalkers, or something else of a scary nature. I'm sure having millions of people ogling her pictures bothers her, but she's probably much more worried about the potential danger of having some sick people knowing about her. I'm betting that's the main reason why she doesn't want all this internet celebrity status. Celebrities do have to put up with a lot of shit because of their fame, and she certainly didn't sign up for that when she chose to become a pole vaulter.
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On May 30 2007 10:47 tiffany wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2007 08:59 CoralReefer wrote:
Stalking is a natural and instinctive behavior which we have inherited from our great ancestor: the grizzly bear. haha excellent
Yeah, but what if she calls The Bear down on TL? We surely can't resist attacks from all these celebrities....
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On May 30 2007 08:40 ilovezil wrote:
As a few people mentioned, all of this is brought about by society. A person can only have as much power as others give him or her. This is the reason why more attractive people generally have an easier time. On the same token, however, they have to suffer the consequences of the very asset that gives them that leeway. Allison Stokes is suffering from this double-edged sword. The interesting thing is that she apparently doesn't care much about her looks (at least from what she's been saying).
On May 30 2007 10:48 meRz wrote:
Well, there's downsides with being extremly hot and succesful in sports too. Buuuueewhuuuuuew.
You summed what i said up quite briefly, hah!
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