Washington Post does not link to the picture in question that started the whole thing - it only shows a considerably less flattering picture of her. This is the picture:
It's truly very scary stuff. And what weirds me most is that I saw her picture online, on TL, in Strafe's blog - and yes, thought to myself that she was incredibly attractive - and assumed it was just one of those stock hot girl photos that one sees all over the Internet. Never had I really been confronted with how such candid photos were disseminated in the first place, and it's pretty sobering.
its a privacy thing, people dont what their pictures randomly appearing on the internet, no matter how attractive they are....but as evident by those that posted above, here at tl.net we dont seem to mind!
dude, there's a big fucking difference between getting payed to have your picture distributed and not getting payed to have random internet guys fapping their junk to it.
feel sorry for her but if you want stuff kept private (especially on myspace) use the features implemented. you don't know what kind of people will be fapping to you.
On May 29 2007 22:06 Phantom wrote: I like how she complains about no one noticing her for her pole vaulting accomplishments...as if guys know shit about that lol...or do we...
i feel no sympathy for her. it's her own damn fault for doing that, if you don't want the chance of your pictures being spread around use functions to keep your facebook/myspace private or don't use it.
fuck you i'll wack to you if i want and whats your dad going to do?? stop me from wacking?!!? i can use my memory!@
Can't really understand why you'd care about a totally non-sexual photo being distributed widely around the net, but I guess I haven't - nor am I likely to - experienced it so what do I know..
Potential stalkers and unwanted attention does sound pretty shitty tho, honestly, if you aren't interested in getting a ton of attention and just want to compete. Probably adds a bit of pressure as well.
On May 29 2007 22:33 azndsh wrote: she's from Newport Beach, so she's rich anyway
Just get a new number and close your myspace. All celebrities have to deal with it...
So what I'm getting is Strafe is a bastard. Seriously though, it does seem to be the fault of these attention seeking bloggers who take themselves too seriously, otherwise this wouldn't of spread. Strafe is innocent since he didn't even know who she was. I thought she was some professional athlete when I asked for a name to her picture in the "rate my girl" thread.
Oh well, what a shame... she was just about the hottest girl I've seen, and apparently really smart, too.
I think we should respect her desire for privacy, but the damage has already been done... and she had nothing but compliments (15 robjes! ), and no one on TL was part of anything overly degrading, and no one on TL is going to go stalk her either. Not much different than people who gawk at a hot girl IRL, and that isn't a big deal.
Remember what Strafe said, it is wrong to wank to beautiful women :p
On May 29 2007 22:02 skindzer wrote: So stupid, she should use this attention to start a modeling career, take some pics for maxim or whatever, grab some bucks and pay her college.
People make it sound like she is pretty rich, so there is no incentive.
I can see why she's upset that her picture is all over the internet. I'd be annoyed if my picture was being posted everyone and being objectified. (I know that would never happen; I'm speaking about it in an entirely hypothetical sense.)
On May 29 2007 23:04 rpf wrote: I can see why she's upset that her picture is all over the internet. I'd be annoyed if my picture was being posted everyone and being objectified. (I know that would never happen; I'm speaking about it in an entirely hypothetical sense.)
lol rpf you are catching on to some people, pre-emptively blocking some obligatory attacks from the "if my picture was being posted ... being objectified".
Maybe it's just cause I'm not attractive, or a guy, but wouldn't it be kind of flattering knowing so many people find you attractive? It's not like you're ever going to date any of them, and you'll probably only meet a couple that have even seen your pics, so it shouldn't really affect her unless she lets it.
If it's about feeling uncomfortable being seen in her track uniform she should either complain that they are too revealing or not be on the team.
On May 29 2007 23:04 rpf wrote: I can see why she's upset that her picture is all over the internet. I'd be annoyed if my picture was being posted everyone and being objectified. (I know that would never happen; I'm speaking about it in an entirely hypothetical sense.)
lol rpf you are catching on to some people, pre-emptively blocking some obligatory attacks from the "if my picture was being posted ... being objectified".
Not really. Actually, yes. I felt it needed to be explained as I wasn't sure if it was obvious enough that the analogy I was making was an unrealistic idea.
You know what's funny? There's a girl on the track team at my university that looks so much like this girl, I thought it WAS her.
Well, consider yourself lucky :O Ask her out and tell us how it goes? Where do you go btw, maybe it is her.
She also reminded me of a high school gymnist/dancer I know (the article said she used to be a gymnist) even though they have quite different faces. Those girls often have great bodies.
On May 29 2007 23:25 Servolisk wrote: Well, consider yourself lucky :O Ask her out and tell us how it goes? Where do you go btw, maybe it is her.
She also reminded me of a high school gymnist/dancer I know (the article said she used to be a gymnist) even though they have quite different faces. Those girls often have great bodies.
On May 29 2007 23:25 Servolisk wrote: Well, consider yourself lucky :O Ask her out and tell us how it goes? Where do you go btw, maybe it is her.
She also reminded me of a high school gymnist/dancer I know (the article said she used to be a gymnist) even though they have quite different faces. Those girls often have great bodies.
usually great ass/legs no tits
Often the case in my experience (though I think the body is great overall, not just the legs and ass), but it seems to work well for them.
huge hands, no chest, buff legs is typical, isnt it? :d
Some yes, some no. Some gymnasts I've met weren't hardcore gymnasts, and so they were just really toned, and in great shape. They weren't all muscly to the point where I wondered if they produced more testosterone than I did.
What's the problem? She's not naked or anything. I'm sure there are lots of people wanking over actresses' photos, but that's their right. It's like having lots of guys leering at my wife when she walks down the street. I don't like it, but I just have to accept it because they don't harm anyone and that's their right.
Just thought I give my two cents on the issue. First of all she is obviously very hot (10/5 robjoes wtf) and from what I seen in that youtube vid posted here she has some serious sporting skills. Second, I dont see the big deal hear as the photo in question is pretty neutral and one might think that if guys around the world thought you ware hot that would be a nice complement. On the other hand the whole stalker thing is pretty scary. I mean there are fuckjobs everywhere and there is really no telling what some psycho might do when he sees her pic and reads about all the commotion. Which brings me to my main point. I do not understand what the fuck is wrong with some people. They see a girls pic on the net and shes hot. I get it. But why the fuck would you start making websites and sending her email, harrasing her on her myspace etc. WTF? Just let it go. And I can see her point of view here because if she is for example a really humble person etc. It might be really annoying to be exposed to such fame, getting email, myspace messages etc. Plus now every jackass from her home town will be droolling at her as she walks by just cause they saw her pic on the net. Distrurbing. Furthermore, someone wrote that celebrities have to deal with this shit all the time but its not like she is a moviestar or sth. Celebrities have huge ammounts of money to hire numerous bodyguards to protected them from nutjobs and stalkers and this girl doesnt. What is more celebrities choose to be famous and be exposed to all the attention and this girl didnt. That being said I hope this thing blows over fast so she can enjoy some normality in her life again.
it's not about what the photo shows, implies, reveals...etc, it's a privacy issue and what the girl wants should take priority over secondhand opinions of horny individuals.
This is such bullshit. If she goes into public places then people can take pictures of her. She can fuck herself for all I care. She'll have an INCREDIBLY easy life as it is so she should just shut the fuck up.
On May 30 2007 04:00 boghat wrote: This is such bullshit. If she goes into public places then people can take pictures of her. She can fuck herself for all I care. She'll have an INCREDIBLY easy life as it is so she should just shut the fuck up.
if you like to see her why don't you go where she lives; if you would do in real life what you do on the internet you'll go to jail; it's called stalking.
On May 30 2007 04:00 boghat wrote: This is such bullshit. If she goes into public places then people can take pictures of her. She can fuck herself for all I care. She'll have an INCREDIBLY easy life as it is so she should just shut the fuck up.
if you like to see her why don't you go where she lives; if you would do in real life what you do on the internet you'll go to jail; it's called stalking.
wtf are you talking about? I don't want to see her, I don't give a shit. The funny thing is I and millions of other people would never have known about this or her had it not been covered in news. If no one at teamliquid or my local news reported on this story I never would have known about her. If I was some serial killer stalker then thank you for reporting this I just found my next victim. What a hypocritical load of horse shit this is.
On May 30 2007 04:00 boghat wrote: This is such bullshit. If she goes into public places then people can take pictures of her. She can fuck herself for all I care. She'll have an INCREDIBLY easy life as it is so she should just shut the fuck up.
I'd love to hear the theory behind this one, Nostradamus.
On May 30 2007 04:00 boghat wrote: This is such bullshit. If she goes into public places then people can take pictures of her. She can fuck herself for all I care. She'll have an INCREDIBLY easy life as it is so she should just shut the fuck up.
I'd love to hear the theory behind this one, Nostradamus.
Obviously I'm a bit of a disgruntled male but having news stations and other websites reporting on this story only makes it much worse so she should be mad about that too. But most people like being on TV and having a random picture of yourself posted on the internet isn't much different than that. I'm also pretty sure public photographs of people are completely legal and harmlesss as well. Why should the people in the public places you go out to be allowed to see you but other people can't? And attractive people definitely have easier lives than nonattractive people. She can marry pretty much any guy she wants to and that is usually the thing that makes people the happiest whether it be for money or actually for love.
I never said marriage is a fairy tale but wouldn't you agree attractive people can marry almost anyone they want? Marriage and kids is usually the thing that can make people the happiest and being attractive is your first step to that. People are also just nicer and give more opportunities to people that are attractive. I don't want to argue about this because the definition of easy life is debatable but all other things being equal I'd say the better looking one will have an easier life.
On May 30 2007 04:00 boghat wrote: This is such bullshit. If she goes into public places then people can take pictures of her. She can fuck herself for all I care. She'll have an INCREDIBLY easy life as it is so she should just shut the fuck up.
if you like to see her why don't you go where she lives; if you would do in real life what you do on the internet you'll go to jail; it's called stalking.
wtf are you talking about? I don't want to see her, I don't give a shit. The funny thing is I and millions of other people would never have known about this or her had it not been covered in news. If no one at teamliquid or my local news reported on this story I never would have known about her. If I was some serial killer stalker then thank you for reporting this I just found my next victim. What a hypocritical load of horse shit this is.
you are way out; if you don't give a shit you shouldn't post; since you did it's obvious from your post what you think of her; you analogy sucks; it's not the serial killer on the news it's his victim.
On May 30 2007 05:08 BroOd wrote: I'm asking just how much thought you put behind the notion that all attractive people are living these fairy-tale lives.
You can't argue that pretty ppl have obvious advantage over fugly ppl. Thus the notion of easier life.
On May 30 2007 04:00 boghat wrote: This is such bullshit. If she goes into public places then people can take pictures of her. She can fuck herself for all I care. She'll have an INCREDIBLY easy life as it is so she should just shut the fuck up.
if you like to see her why don't you go where she lives; if you would do in real life what you do on the internet you'll go to jail; it's called stalking.
wtf are you talking about? I don't want to see her, I don't give a shit. The funny thing is I and millions of other people would never have known about this or her had it not been covered in news. If no one at teamliquid or my local news reported on this story I never would have known about her. If I was some serial killer stalker then thank you for reporting this I just found my next victim. What a hypocritical load of horse shit this is.
you are way out; if you don't give a shit you shouldn't post; since you did it's obvious from your post what you think of her; you analogy sucks; it's not the serial killer on the news it's his victim.
I think she's dumb to complain about this but other than that I have no problem with her at all. All I was saying about the serial killer thing is that by reporting this on the news it just makes it that much easier for a stalker to get to her. The I don't give a shit and she can go fuck herself comments were unwarranted however. I just got carried away. My opinion stands though.
On May 30 2007 05:18 BroOd wrote: Let's take a step back and acknowledge the difference between an "easier life" and:
"She'll have an INCREDIBLY easy life as it is so she should just shut the fuck up."
I got carried away with harsh language but the notion behind what I said stands. She will have an easier life and she should stop complaining about this.
On May 30 2007 05:08 BroOd wrote: I'm asking just how much thought you put behind the notion that all attractive people are living these fairy-tale lives.
You can't argue that pretty ppl have obvious advantage over fugly ppl. Thus the notion of easier life.
who makes their life easier? the fugly people. and her fault is? because she was born pretty she must take your crap? (not yours personally, but those that disregard her wishes)
I wonder if Reach or Xellos take it badly when random girls send them love letters and plaster their faces (and bodies) all over the internet. Don't think they had that in mind when they joined pro gaming either.
On May 30 2007 05:08 BroOd wrote: I'm asking just how much thought you put behind the notion that all attractive people are living these fairy-tale lives.
You can't argue that pretty ppl have obvious advantage over fugly ppl. Thus the notion of easier life.
who makes their life easier? the fugly people. and her fault is? because she was born pretty she must take your crap? (not yours personally, but those that disregard her wishes)
How can you ask what makes attractive people's lives easier? And whether someone is good looking or fat and ugly I think if you are photographed in a public place and it's placed on the internet then end of story, it happens. That part doesn't have anything to do with her attractiveness.
On May 30 2007 05:08 BroOd wrote: I'm asking just how much thought you put behind the notion that all attractive people are living these fairy-tale lives.
You can't argue that pretty ppl have obvious advantage over fugly ppl. Thus the notion of easier life.
who makes their life easier? the fugly people. and her fault is? because she was born pretty she must take your crap? (not yours personally, but those that disregard her wishes)
Who makes their life easier? Pretty much everyone. Society to be exact. And lifes not fair. She got the prettier body but she got attention with it. Can't do shit about that.
On May 30 2007 04:00 boghat wrote: This is such bullshit. If she goes into public places then people can take pictures of her. She can fuck herself for all I care. She'll have an INCREDIBLY easy life as it is so she should just shut the fuck up.
if you like to see her why don't you go where she lives; if you would do in real life what you do on the internet you'll go to jail; it's called stalking.
wtf are you talking about? I don't want to see her, I don't give a shit. The funny thing is I and millions of other people would never have known about this or her had it not been covered in news. If no one at teamliquid or my local news reported on this story I never would have known about her. If I was some serial killer stalker then thank you for reporting this I just found my next victim. What a hypocritical load of horse shit this is.
you are way out; if you don't give a shit you shouldn't post; since you did it's obvious from your post what you think of her; you analogy sucks; it's not the serial killer on the news it's his victim.
I think she's dumb to complain about this but other than that I have no problem with her at all. All I was saying about the serial killer thing is that by reporting this on the news it just makes it that much easier for a stalker to get to her. The I don't give a shit and she can go fuck herself comments were unwarranted however. I just got carried away. My opinion stands though.
and if her life turns out really shitty because of this can you repair the damage done?; you'll just be happy in your ignorance, never knowing, always assuming.
On May 30 2007 05:18 BroOd wrote: Let's take a step back and acknowledge the difference between an "easier life" and:
"She'll have an INCREDIBLY easy life as it is so she should just shut the fuck up."
I got carried away with harsh language but the notion behind what I said stands. She will have an easier life and she should stop complaining about this.
What exactly is your frame of reference when deciding just what a high school girl should have to deal with?
And so we're clear, not all attractive girls become actresses or suck cock to get promotions or marry and become trophy wives. You're talking like every girl with a pretty face has been dealt some invincible hand, some blank check to do whatever she wants. That's not how it works. We're not talking about a cross-section of people or some statistic, we're talking about one person. To suggest she should shut up and take whatever harassment is thrown at her because one day down the line she MIGHT have it easy is ridiculous.
in my experience in high school and college sports, id say; track and field and field hockey girls look the best hands down. volleyball girls come close behind based solely on their uniforms. basketball girls and soccer girls are the ugliest....at least for me in my HS and college.
On May 30 2007 04:00 boghat wrote: This is such bullshit. If she goes into public places then people can take pictures of her. She can fuck herself for all I care. She'll have an INCREDIBLY easy life as it is so she should just shut the fuck up.
if you like to see her why don't you go where she lives; if you would do in real life what you do on the internet you'll go to jail; it's called stalking.
wtf are you talking about? I don't want to see her, I don't give a shit. The funny thing is I and millions of other people would never have known about this or her had it not been covered in news. If no one at teamliquid or my local news reported on this story I never would have known about her. If I was some serial killer stalker then thank you for reporting this I just found my next victim. What a hypocritical load of horse shit this is.
you are way out; if you don't give a shit you shouldn't post; since you did it's obvious from your post what you think of her; you analogy sucks; it's not the serial killer on the news it's his victim.
I think she's dumb to complain about this but other than that I have no problem with her at all. All I was saying about the serial killer thing is that by reporting this on the news it just makes it that much easier for a stalker to get to her. The I don't give a shit and she can go fuck herself comments were unwarranted however. I just got carried away. My opinion stands though.
and if her life turns out really shitty because of this can you repair the damage done?; you'll just be happy in your ignorance, never knowing, always assuming.
I'll probably hear on the news if her life is shitting but I really don't see how this is going to affect her life at all in a couple months. No one is going to care about this in due time and neither should she. People make big deals out of nothing.
On May 30 2007 05:18 BroOd wrote: Let's take a step back and acknowledge the difference between an "easier life" and:
"She'll have an INCREDIBLY easy life as it is so she should just shut the fuck up."
I got carried away with harsh language but the notion behind what I said stands. She will have an easier life and she should stop complaining about this.
What exactly is your frame of reference when deciding just what a high school girl should have to deal with?
And so we're clear, not all attractive girls become actresses or suck cock to get promotions or marry and become trophy wives. You're talking like every girl with a pretty face has been dealt some invincible hand, some blank check to do whatever she wants. That's not how it works. We're not talking about a cross-section of people or some statistic, we're talking about one person. To suggest she should shut up and take whatever harassment is thrown at her because one day down the line she MIGHT have it easy is ridiculous.
If you're attractive people are nicer to you, period. And I don't consider this harassment. I'm not saying she should take harassment because she's attractive, I just don't think she has been harassed at all.
On May 30 2007 05:29 xM(Z wrote: human population (society) is 60 to 70% fuggly so they should rule; thus the paradox. it's not her fault that you dream, demand, want perfection.
There's no paradox. Even if your random percentages are correct that doesn't mean they should rule. Kings and dictators and their posse are 1% of the people and they can rule. And better looking people do usually have more control over the ugly.
ugly people let them; at least acknowledge that; if it's not his fault for wanting perfection it's not her fault for having it.
boghat in a world that videotapes or takes pictures of everything 24/7 it's not uncommom for one to view privacy or intimacy as something special, noncommercial. and if she sais so who teh fuck are you to say otherwise.
On May 30 2007 05:18 BroOd wrote: Let's take a step back and acknowledge the difference between an "easier life" and:
"She'll have an INCREDIBLY easy life as it is so she should just shut the fuck up."
I got carried away with harsh language but the notion behind what I said stands. She will have an easier life and she should stop complaining about this.
What exactly is your frame of reference when deciding just what a high school girl should have to deal with?
And so we're clear, not all attractive girls become actresses or suck cock to get promotions or marry and become trophy wives. You're talking like every girl with a pretty face has been dealt some invincible hand, some blank check to do whatever she wants. That's not how it works. We're not talking about a cross-section of people or some statistic, we're talking about one person. To suggest she should shut up and take whatever harassment is thrown at her because one day down the line she MIGHT have it easy is ridiculous.
If your attractive people are nicer to you, period. And I don't consider this harrassment. I'm not saying she should take harassment because she's attractive, I just don't think she has been harassed at all.
The wave of attention has steamrolled Stokke and her family in Newport Beach, Calif. She is recognized -- and stared at -- in coffee shops. She locks her doors and tries not to leave the house alone.
Stokke read on message boards that dozens of anonymous strangers had turned her picture into the background image on their computers. She felt violated. It was like becoming the victim of a crime, Stokke said. Her body had been stolen and turned into a public commodity, critiqued in fan forums devoted to everything from hip-hop to Hollywood.
to the message boards and chat forums where hundreds of anonymous users looked at Stokke's picture and posted sexual fantasies.
"I worked so hard for pole vaulting and all this other stuff, and it's almost like that doesn't matter. Nobody sees that. Nobody really sees me."
Yeah, you know what? I think you're right. That's not really harassment at all. Infact, I think every pretty 18 year old should have to go through something like this, as penance for the super easy life they're going to get.
meh it sounds like she wants to go pro, yet she's complaining about being famous. emails and myspace crap are easily blocked. so she's famous for being hot on the internet, get over it. i'd be happy if a random good pic of me became famous on the net for being damn hot. geez.
Look I'm not going to argue about this anymore but I just don't think anything bad happened here. If you're photographed in public and people decide to spread it on the internet (it only happened because she was attractive) then deal with it. If she was more mature about this she wouldn't be bothered about it but I guess it's hard for someone as young and immature as her. I guarantee if everyone in a coffee shop stares at her it is definitely because this was posted on the news, not because of random blogs. And if she thinks pole vaulting is who she is more than what she looks like she needs a lot of growing up. There are millions of people who would love to be in the position she is in now. When no one gives a shit about her again in a month she may miss the attention she is getting now. But she'll still be attractive so she'll be fine.
besides, how skiny neanderthals invented weapons to fuck the bigger males so did the fuggly people invented plastic surgery; so quit bitchin'; everything evolves and noone is to blame for the way they were born.
On May 30 2007 05:43 xM(Z wrote: besides, how skiny neanderthals invented weapons to fuck the bigger males so did the fuggly people invented plastic surgery; so quit bitchin'; everything evolves and noone is to blame for the way they were born.
I'm not sure how this relates to what we're talking about... :\
I dont get it. If a picture was taken of me in public I wouldnt care if the whole world saw it. Since it is in public im aware that people can see me. If I didnt want people to see me when I went down town shopping or w/e I would be wearing a burka >_< I dont see a differance between someone seeing me walk past them on the street and someone snapping a photo of me while I walk past them and showing it to their friend.
If the picture is private though... like me sitting in my underwear in front of my computer or nekkid in the shower then I would get upset... but no one would ever get a photo of me like that unless I wanted them to. If it was somehow posted on the internet that would be my own fault. As we all know there is no such thing as "removing" it from the internet. Once its there it stays there.
fuggly people+plastic surgery = beautifull people with easy lifes.
On May 30 2007 05:46 boghat wrote: It's not really psychology, it's just my opinion on this story. But my opinions aren't baseless, they're just from my experience of this world.
still, you experienced the world through you eyes, and just witness the rest.
I guess I see it as....this is the price that beautiful women have to pay for their attractiveness.... Naturally if someone is gorgeous like that, she'll garner attention from many unwanted areas, but, to complain about it....if I were her, I'd be finding a way to milk this into something useful instead of crying about it...but that's me.
and another thing, please make a distinction between: people learn to live (maybe enjoy, gain from it) with the shit from their life and people choose the shit from their life;
On May 29 2007 22:02 skindzer wrote: So stupid, she should use this attention to start a modeling career, take some pics for maxim or whatever, grab some bucks and pay her college.
For the frustrated folks she represents something they will never get. A hot chick. They get obsessed by her looks and harrass her. To them her good looks are the source off their suffering and failure to relate to her as a human being that needs privacy. It is sick. Thats my analysis.
I don't care if it's a hot chick or an ugly chick complaining about this same situation. Either way you should realize if you go out in public people will see you. People looking at a picture of you really has not much to do with privacy. Luckily for her though people are jerking off to her picture while an ugly chick's picture is laughed at and ridiculed. She really needs to stop complaining.
On May 30 2007 07:32 boghat wrote: I don't care if it's a hot chick or an ugly chick complaining about this same situation. Either way you should realize if you go out in public people will see you. People looking at a picture of you really has not much to do with privacy. Luckily for her though people are jerking off to her picture while an ugly chick's picture is laughed at and ridiculed. She really needs to stop complaining.
i dont think many healthy minded 18 year olds are happy about people jerking off to their pics
On May 29 2007 22:28 DeadVessel wrote: im taking back what i said
i feel no sympathy for her. it's her own damn fault for doing that, if you don't want the chance of your pictures being spread around use functions to keep your facebook/myspace private or don't use it.
fuck you i'll wack to you if i want and whats your dad going to do?? stop me from wacking?!!? i can use my memory!@
Wasn't a Facebook picture. Someone took it of her when she was at a meet.
On May 29 2007 22:51 Servolisk wrote: So what I'm getting is Strafe is a bastard.
Hell no it's not Strafe's fault. But it's an interesting issue to think about.
On May 29 2007 23:08 BaconatedGrapefruit wrote: Maybe it's just cause I'm not attractive, or a guy, but wouldn't it be kind of flattering knowing so many people find you attractive? It's not like you're ever going to date any of them, and you'll probably only meet a couple that have even seen your pics, so it shouldn't really affect her unless she lets it.
If it's about feeling uncomfortable being seen in her track uniform she should either complain that they are too revealing or not be on the team.
Guys don't know what it's like to be stalked, honestly.
I mean, that's the real meat of the issue. It's not like she lives in a little bubble where the outside world doesn't get in. Fucked up people exist on the Internet, and they get crazy ideas that they have to go find her and ask her out or talk to her or something. That's pretty uncomfortable for a person to deal with, and I don't see why people are like "SHE DESERVES IT CAUSE SHE'S HOT"
On May 30 2007 07:32 boghat wrote: I don't care if it's a hot chick or an ugly chick complaining about this same situation. Either way you should realize if you go out in public people will see you. People looking at a picture of you really has not much to do with privacy. Luckily for her though people are jerking off to her picture while an ugly chick's picture is laughed at and ridiculed. She really needs to stop complaining.
i dont think many healthy minded 18 year olds are happy about people jerking off to their pics
I don't see why they'd mind but I never said she should be happy about it. Guys jerk off to hot chicks in their head without pictures so just actually having a picture in front of you really isn't that much different. Guys jerk off thinking about girls. Healthy women understand this.
On May 30 2007 07:44 GrandInquisitor wrote: and I don't see why people are like "SHE DESERVES IT CAUSE SHE'S HOT"
boghat, you're positing the fact that a lot of Internet strangers jerking off to your picture is a good thing. I claim it is a bad thing.
Now, even though it seems perfectly obvious to me that it's terrible, and equally obvious that you won't accept that fact, I'm going to try to explain it again.
It's not just a matter of jerking off. If it was an anonymous picture, and people just jerked off to it, then fine. That's the most harm that could arise. But instead, everyone knows who she is because the sports blogger gave away her high school, age, hometown, and real name. Given that, it's a whole different world. Weird people on the Internet in the area get the idea - "hey let me go find this girl". (As a few people in this topic have already jokingly suggested.) Even weirder people develop unhealthy obsessions and crushes and morph into stalker mode. Don't think this doesn't happen - go ask any female friends you have. In my experience, it happens to most girls at some time or another, and if you don't find that scary then there's really not much else I can do to convince you.
I never claimed it was a good thing. I think it's a neutral thing. I was just saying I would think you would rather have someone jerk off to a picture of you than have people laugh and ridicule your picture. As for the stalking I agree that it is scary. But so is terrorism. I just think stalking is one of those things you shouldn't worry much about. There are millions of famous attractive women out there and you really don't hear about stalkers that often. And the cases you do hear about with stalkers are usually for really famous actresses that have actually been in movies. I really doubt this girl has anything to worry about regarding stalkers. I can agree it might be scary for her but I think she just needs to get over it just like I am able to get over the fact that I could get smashed into on a highway by a drunk driver at any moment.
If stalking is the real issue here then I still maintain that news coverage of this story is making it much much much worse than it would have been otherwise. I never would have known about this story probably had you not posted it here on TL.net.
it has been a while since this happened, no telling whether she has gotten over it or not. you are not asking for that, however, but saying she did not react to this properly. you wanted her to get over it from the start. i dont think this is so plain as to warrant your great devotion to your point in such a manner. leaver the girl alone, geez.
As for the stalking I agree that it is scary. But so is terrorism.
That might the most god-awful, hilarious, fucked-up analogy I've ever read.
Listen, you obviously have no idea. You've never been stalked, neither have I, and we probably never will. But sometime, go talk to a reasonably attractive good female friend. 90%+ of the time they have been stalked or harassed in some form or another. Think Cho from Virginia Tech, who was reported several times for harassing and stalking. There's a fuckload of mentally disturbed people out there, and I hardly think she should lump it together with "terrorism".
And the cases you do hear about with stalkers are usually for really famous actresses that have actually been in movies.
Yeah. And the only cases you hear about people dying of natural causes are usually for really famous people, that doesn't mean that only famous people die of natural causes.
I agree that to some extent, this news coverage is sending mixed messages. But the damage was already for the most part done.
shut the hell up she doesn't seem ditsy at all, just nervous... she's only a junior in god damn highschool. it's not like she's been in the limelight for her whole life and has refined her interviewing skills.....
As for the stalking I agree that it is scary. But so is terrorism.
That might the most god-awful, hilarious, fucked-up analogy I've ever read.
How is stalking and terrorism that different? In both cases you are being terrorized by a threat that most of the time doesn't actually do anything, it just causes fear. I really don't see how this analogy is that bad. Stalking might be more personal but that doesn't completely destroy the analogy.
On May 30 2007 08:20 GrandInquisitor wrote: Yeah. And the only cases you hear about people dying of natural causes are usually for really famous people, that doesn't mean that only famous people die of natural causes.
What you're saying here is that non-famous people can get stalked too. Isn't this kind of contradictory to your point? You are saying her being known is going to cause her to be more likely to be stalked but you are also saying nonfamous people can easily be stalked too. You even mention Cho who stalked girls that weren't famous at all, he just knew them. Mentally disturbed people like Cho are going to stalk people no matter what and a lot of the time they just stalk people they've seen and actually live near. Basically my point about not worrying about stalking stands because you yourself have said that stalking can affect all women.
As a few people mentioned, all of this is brought about by society. A person can only have as much power as others give him or her. This is the reason why more attractive people generally have an easier time. On the same token, however, they have to suffer the consequences of the very asset that gives them that leeway. Allison Stokes is suffering from this double-edged sword. The interesting thing is that she apparently doesn't care much about her looks (at least from what she's been saying).
As for the stalking I agree that it is scary. But so is terrorism.
That might the most god-awful, hilarious, fucked-up analogy I've ever read.
How is stalking and terrorism that different? In both cases you are being terrorized by a threat that most of the time doesn't actually do anything, it just causes fear. I really don't see how this analogy is that bad. Stalking might be more personal but that doesn't completely destroy the analogy.
On May 30 2007 08:20 GrandInquisitor wrote: Yeah. And the only cases you hear about people dying of natural causes are usually for really famous people, that doesn't mean that only famous people die of natural causes.
What you're saying here is that non-famous people can get stalked too. Isn't this kind of contradictory to your point? You are saying her being known is going to cause her to be more likely to be stalked but you are also saying nonfamous people can easily be stalked too. You even mention Cho who stalked girls that weren't famous at all, he just knew them. Mentally disturbed people like Cho are going to stalk people no matter what and a lot of the time they just stalk people they've seen and actually live near. Basically my point about not worrying about stalking stands because you yourself have said that stalking can affect all women.
The response to both parts is that she's suddenly and drastically increased her risk of being stalked exponentially. Before she was only at risk within people who knew her personally; now everyone in her area and/or willing to go to her area, potentially.
On May 30 2007 08:40 ilovezil wrote: As a few people mentioned, all of this is brought about by society. A person can only have as much power as others give him or her. This is the reason why more attractive people generally have an easier time. On the same token, however, they have to suffer the consequences of the very asset that gives them that leeway. Allison Stokes is suffering from this double-edged sword. The interesting thing is that she apparently doesn't care much about her looks (at least from what she's been saying).
Who is going to say, "Oh I care a ton about my looks", without fear of sounding vain and egotistical? Of course she cares about her looks. Everyone fucking cares about their appearance, but only pricks are going to spout off about it.
There's actually a couple facebook fan clubs for the girl too...I'd like to feel bad for her for all that's happening..but, this is what happens to people who excel at a sport, and in this case are also very attractive. It's inevitable, anyone who's top of his or her particular area of expertise is bound to run into such issues sooner or later, but to me it seems as though it's part of the tradeoff of having such amazing abilities....she just needs to try and look past it as a horrible thing, and take in the good with the bad.
And once again the internet discovered another hot girl. Soon you'll be replaced by another one. You can't fight the internet. You can get money out of it, but you can't destroy the unholy power.
As for the stalking I agree that it is scary. But so is terrorism.
That might the most god-awful, hilarious, fucked-up analogy I've ever read.
How is stalking and terrorism that different? In both cases you are being terrorized by a threat that most of the time doesn't actually do anything, it just causes fear. I really don't see how this analogy is that bad. Stalking might be more personal but that doesn't completely destroy the analogy.
On May 30 2007 08:20 GrandInquisitor wrote: Yeah. And the only cases you hear about people dying of natural causes are usually for really famous people, that doesn't mean that only famous people die of natural causes.
What you're saying here is that non-famous people can get stalked too. Isn't this kind of contradictory to your point? You are saying her being known is going to cause her to be more likely to be stalked but you are also saying nonfamous people can easily be stalked too. You even mention Cho who stalked girls that weren't famous at all, he just knew them. Mentally disturbed people like Cho are going to stalk people no matter what and a lot of the time they just stalk people they've seen and actually live near. Basically my point about not worrying about stalking stands because you yourself have said that stalking can affect all women.
The response to both parts is that she's suddenly and drastically increased her risk of being stalked exponentially. Before she was only at risk within people who knew her personally; now everyone in her area and/or willing to go to her area, potentially.
I can agree with you on this point. But I don't see how this is any different than being on the local news or in the local newspaper or on national TV or anything of the sort. People get 15 minutes of fame all the time, attractive females more than most, so why should this situation be anything special? I guess the answer could be she didn't ask for this fame but that's not really true. It sounds like she would love to be a famous pole vaulter and I'm sure she's been in the local newspaper at least.
I just think she shouldn't be mad for being famous because she's attractive rather than for being a pole vaulter. It's pretty silly. If she was a famous pole vaulter she'd still have to deal with the same stalking problems and there would actually be much much more photographs of her in skimpy track outfits being posted all over the internet.
On May 30 2007 08:40 ilovezil wrote: As a few people mentioned, all of this is brought about by society. A person can only have as much power as others give him or her. This is the reason why more attractive people generally have an easier time. On the same token, however, they have to suffer the consequences of the very asset that gives them that leeway. Allison Stokes is suffering from this double-edged sword. The interesting thing is that she apparently doesn't care much about her looks (at least from what she's been saying).
Who is going to say, "Oh I care a ton about my looks", without fear of sounding vain and egotistical? Of course she cares about her looks. Everyone fucking cares about their appearance, but only pricks are going to spout off about it.
Yea, but she seems to almost regret being pretty in this case due to the unwanted attnetion she's getting. You're right though, everyone does care about their looks in some sense at least.
As for the stalking I agree that it is scary. But so is terrorism.
That might the most god-awful, hilarious, fucked-up analogy I've ever read.
How is stalking and terrorism that different? In both cases you are being terrorized by a threat that most of the time doesn't actually do anything, it just causes fear. I really don't see how this analogy is that bad. Stalking might be more personal but that doesn't completely destroy the analogy.
On May 30 2007 08:20 GrandInquisitor wrote: Yeah. And the only cases you hear about people dying of natural causes are usually for really famous people, that doesn't mean that only famous people die of natural causes.
What you're saying here is that non-famous people can get stalked too. Isn't this kind of contradictory to your point? You are saying her being known is going to cause her to be more likely to be stalked but you are also saying nonfamous people can easily be stalked too. You even mention Cho who stalked girls that weren't famous at all, he just knew them. Mentally disturbed people like Cho are going to stalk people no matter what and a lot of the time they just stalk people they've seen and actually live near. Basically my point about not worrying about stalking stands because you yourself have said that stalking can affect all women.
The response to both parts is that she's suddenly and drastically increased her risk of being stalked exponentially. Before she was only at risk within people who knew her personally; now everyone in her area and/or willing to go to her area, potentially.
I can agree with you on this point. But I don't see how this is any different than being on the local news or in the local newspaper or on national TV or anything of the sort. People get 15 minutes of fame all the time, attractive females more than most, so why should this situation be anything special? I guess the answer could be she didn't ask for this fame but that's not really true. It sounds like she would love to be a famous pole vaulter and I'm sure she's been in the local newspaper at least.
I just think she shouldn't be mad for being famous because she's attractive rather than for being a pole vaulter. It's pretty silly. If she was a famous pole vaulter she'd still have to deal with the same stalking problems and there would actually be much much more photographs of her in skimpy track outfits being posted all over the internet.
Let's be perfectly honest. This has absolutely nothing to do with her being a pole vaulter. Explain to me, at all, how she possibly asked for this kind of stalker-ish fame merely by participating in high school pole vaulting? I don't know where you grew up, but no one goes into high school pole vaulting to be famous.
As for the stalking I agree that it is scary. But so is terrorism.
That might the most god-awful, hilarious, fucked-up analogy I've ever read.
How is stalking and terrorism that different? In both cases you are being terrorized by a threat that most of the time doesn't actually do anything, it just causes fear. I really don't see how this analogy is that bad. Stalking might be more personal but that doesn't completely destroy the analogy.
On May 30 2007 08:20 GrandInquisitor wrote: Yeah. And the only cases you hear about people dying of natural causes are usually for really famous people, that doesn't mean that only famous people die of natural causes.
What you're saying here is that non-famous people can get stalked too. Isn't this kind of contradictory to your point? You are saying her being known is going to cause her to be more likely to be stalked but you are also saying nonfamous people can easily be stalked too. You even mention Cho who stalked girls that weren't famous at all, he just knew them. Mentally disturbed people like Cho are going to stalk people no matter what and a lot of the time they just stalk people they've seen and actually live near. Basically my point about not worrying about stalking stands because you yourself have said that stalking can affect all women.
The response to both parts is that she's suddenly and drastically increased her risk of being stalked exponentially. Before she was only at risk within people who knew her personally; now everyone in her area and/or willing to go to her area, potentially.
I can agree with you on this point. But I don't see how this is any different than being on the local news or in the local newspaper or on national TV or anything of the sort. People get 15 minutes of fame all the time, attractive females more than most, so why should this situation be anything special? I guess the answer could be she didn't ask for this fame but that's not really true. It sounds like she would love to be a famous pole vaulter and I'm sure she's been in the local newspaper at least.
I just think she shouldn't be mad for being famous because she's attractive rather than for being a pole vaulter. It's pretty silly. If she was a famous pole vaulter she'd still have to deal with the same stalking problems and there would actually be much much more photographs of her in skimpy track outfits being posted all over the internet.
Let's be perfectly honest. This has absolutely nothing to do with her being a pole vaulter. Explain to me, at all, how she possibly asked for this kind of stalker-ish fame merely by participating in high school pole vaulting? I don't know where you grew up, but no one goes into high school pole vaulting to be famous.
Eh, it seems like if she could be famous for pole vaulting she would want to be. That article says: "In her high school track and field career, Stokke had won a 2004 California state pole vaulting title, broken five national records and earned a scholarship to the University of California, yet only track devotees had noticed." It's hard to know if this became such a big story just because it's somewhat of a precedent or because she is really well known for her pole vaulting. She's not just some random girl, she was obviously getting some attention before this happened.
She just seems to be mad because she's only being recognized for her looks and not her pole vaulting accomplishments. But she should realize that this is how it is for almost all attractive female athletes. No one really cares what accomplishments Anna Kournikova has for example except that she's extremely pretty.
Whatever though, I'm really bored with this topic now. If you want to take this resignation as me acknowledging defeat in our argument then I'm fine with that.
As for the stalking I agree that it is scary. But so is terrorism.
That might the most god-awful, hilarious, fucked-up analogy I've ever read.
How is stalking and terrorism that different? In both cases you are being terrorized by a threat that most of the time doesn't actually do anything, it just causes fear. I really don't see how this analogy is that bad. Stalking might be more personal but that doesn't completely destroy the analogy.
On May 30 2007 08:20 GrandInquisitor wrote: Yeah. And the only cases you hear about people dying of natural causes are usually for really famous people, that doesn't mean that only famous people die of natural causes.
What you're saying here is that non-famous people can get stalked too. Isn't this kind of contradictory to your point? You are saying her being known is going to cause her to be more likely to be stalked but you are also saying nonfamous people can easily be stalked too. You even mention Cho who stalked girls that weren't famous at all, he just knew them. Mentally disturbed people like Cho are going to stalk people no matter what and a lot of the time they just stalk people they've seen and actually live near. Basically my point about not worrying about stalking stands because you yourself have said that stalking can affect all women.
The response to both parts is that she's suddenly and drastically increased her risk of being stalked exponentially. Before she was only at risk within people who knew her personally; now everyone in her area and/or willing to go to her area, potentially.
I can agree with you on this point. But I don't see how this is any different than being on the local news or in the local newspaper or on national TV or anything of the sort. People get 15 minutes of fame all the time, attractive females more than most, so why should this situation be anything special? I guess the answer could be she didn't ask for this fame but that's not really true. It sounds like she would love to be a famous pole vaulter and I'm sure she's been in the local newspaper at least.
I just think she shouldn't be mad for being famous because she's attractive rather than for being a pole vaulter. It's pretty silly. If she was a famous pole vaulter she'd still have to deal with the same stalking problems and there would actually be much much more photographs of her in skimpy track outfits being posted all over the internet.
Let's be perfectly honest. This has absolutely nothing to do with her being a pole vaulter. Explain to me, at all, how she possibly asked for this kind of stalker-ish fame merely by participating in high school pole vaulting? I don't know where you grew up, but no one goes into high school pole vaulting to be famous.
Eh, it seems like if she could be famous for pole vaulting she would want to be. That article says: "In her high school track and field career, Stokke had won a 2004 California state pole vaulting title, broken five national records and earned a scholarship to the University of California, yet only track devotees had noticed." It's hard to know if this became such a big story just because it's somewhat of a precedent or because she is really well known for her pole vaulting. She's not just some random girl, she was obviously getting some attention before this happened.
She just seems to be mad because she's only being recognized for her looks and not her pole vaulting accomplishments. But she should realize that this is how it is for almost all attractive female athletes. No one really cares what accomplishments Anna Kournikova has for example except that she's extremely pretty.
God, how crestfallen and disappointed she must have been that she isn't famous for her pole vaulting. I mean, everyone knows the ticket to being on the American cable news networks 24/7 is to become a superstar pole vaulter. What a fucking famewhore she must be ~_~
that page has shut down, so whats the horrible picture? i cant see it and if its the one where shes in her track uniform, i mean wtf. Just be happy its not like they are sitting outside your locker room waiting fory ou to change
On May 30 2007 08:59 CoralReefer wrote: Stalking is a natural and instinctive behavior which we have inherited from our great ancestor: the grizzly bear.
On May 30 2007 06:35 Metal[x] wrote: I think someone said she was wearing a Cal sweatshit? Evan and whoever is going to berkeley can meet her!!!
Hell yea she's coming to Cal. This will improve our average hotness level from 0 robjes to.... 0.1 robjes... sigh...
Anyway, the claims that she was looking for fame is bullshit. She's a fucking pole vaulter. The biggest problem with all the internet exposure is not from the fact that the masses now recognize her and talk about her, but that a select few from those masses could be stalkers, or something else of a scary nature. I'm sure having millions of people ogling her pictures bothers her, but she's probably much more worried about the potential danger of having some sick people knowing about her. I'm betting that's the main reason why she doesn't want all this internet celebrity status. Celebrities do have to put up with a lot of shit because of their fame, and she certainly didn't sign up for that when she chose to become a pole vaulter.
On May 30 2007 08:59 CoralReefer wrote: Stalking is a natural and instinctive behavior which we have inherited from our great ancestor: the grizzly bear.
haha excellent
Yeah, but what if she calls The Bear down on TL? We surely can't resist attacks from all these celebrities....
On May 30 2007 08:40 ilovezil wrote: As a few people mentioned, all of this is brought about by society. A person can only have as much power as others give him or her. This is the reason why more attractive people generally have an easier time. On the same token, however, they have to suffer the consequences of the very asset that gives them that leeway. Allison Stokes is suffering from this double-edged sword. The interesting thing is that she apparently doesn't care much about her looks (at least from what she's been saying).
On May 30 2007 10:48 meRz wrote: Well, there's downsides with being extremly hot and succesful in sports too. Buuuueewhuuuuuew.
On May 30 2007 07:44 GrandInquisitor wrote: I mean, that's the real meat of the issue. It's not like she lives in a little bubble where the outside world doesn't get in. Fucked up people exist on the Internet, and they get crazy ideas that they have to go find her and ask her out or talk to her or something. That's pretty uncomfortable for a person to deal with, and I don't see why people are like "SHE DESERVES IT CAUSE SHE'S HOT"
Exactly where did you get the idea that she's EVER been stalked by ANYONE?
As for the stalking I agree that it is scary. But so is terrorism.
That might the most god-awful, hilarious, fucked-up analogy I've ever read.
How is stalking and terrorism that different? In both cases you are being terrorized by a threat that most of the time doesn't actually do anything, it just causes fear. I really don't see how this analogy is that bad. Stalking might be more personal but that doesn't completely destroy the analogy.
On May 30 2007 08:20 GrandInquisitor wrote: Yeah. And the only cases you hear about people dying of natural causes are usually for really famous people, that doesn't mean that only famous people die of natural causes.
What you're saying here is that non-famous people can get stalked too. Isn't this kind of contradictory to your point? You are saying her being known is going to cause her to be more likely to be stalked but you are also saying nonfamous people can easily be stalked too. You even mention Cho who stalked girls that weren't famous at all, he just knew them. Mentally disturbed people like Cho are going to stalk people no matter what and a lot of the time they just stalk people they've seen and actually live near. Basically my point about not worrying about stalking stands because you yourself have said that stalking can affect all women.
The response to both parts is that she's suddenly and drastically increased her risk of being stalked exponentially. Before she was only at risk within people who knew her personally; now everyone in her area and/or willing to go to her area, potentially.
I can agree with you on this point. But I don't see how this is any different than being on the local news or in the local newspaper or on national TV or anything of the sort. People get 15 minutes of fame all the time, attractive females more than most, so why should this situation be anything special? I guess the answer could be she didn't ask for this fame but that's not really true. It sounds like she would love to be a famous pole vaulter and I'm sure she's been in the local newspaper at least.
I just think she shouldn't be mad for being famous because she's attractive rather than for being a pole vaulter. It's pretty silly. If she was a famous pole vaulter she'd still have to deal with the same stalking problems and there would actually be much much more photographs of her in skimpy track outfits being posted all over the internet.
Let's be perfectly honest. This has absolutely nothing to do with her being a pole vaulter. Explain to me, at all, how she possibly asked for this kind of stalker-ish fame merely by participating in high school pole vaulting? I don't know where you grew up, but no one goes into high school pole vaulting to be famous.
Eh, it seems like if she could be famous for pole vaulting she would want to be. That article says: "In her high school track and field career, Stokke had won a 2004 California state pole vaulting title, broken five national records and earned a scholarship to the University of California, yet only track devotees had noticed." It's hard to know if this became such a big story just because it's somewhat of a precedent or because she is really well known for her pole vaulting. She's not just some random girl, she was obviously getting some attention before this happened.
She just seems to be mad because she's only being recognized for her looks and not her pole vaulting accomplishments. But she should realize that this is how it is for almost all attractive female athletes. No one really cares what accomplishments Anna Kournikova has for example except that she's extremely pretty.
God, how crestfallen and disappointed she must have been that she isn't famous for her pole vaulting. I mean, everyone knows the ticket to being on the American cable news networks 24/7 is to become a superstar pole vaulter. What a fucking famewhore she must be ~_~
That is total bullshit and you know it.
Did you even read the fucking article? It said she was upset that this will overshadow her accomplishments in sports. So, no...it's the exact opposite of bullshit.
As for the stalking I agree that it is scary. But so is terrorism.
That might the most god-awful, hilarious, fucked-up analogy I've ever read.
How is stalking and terrorism that different? In both cases you are being terrorized by a threat that most of the time doesn't actually do anything, it just causes fear. I really don't see how this analogy is that bad. Stalking might be more personal but that doesn't completely destroy the analogy.
On May 30 2007 08:20 GrandInquisitor wrote: Yeah. And the only cases you hear about people dying of natural causes are usually for really famous people, that doesn't mean that only famous people die of natural causes.
What you're saying here is that non-famous people can get stalked too. Isn't this kind of contradictory to your point? You are saying her being known is going to cause her to be more likely to be stalked but you are also saying nonfamous people can easily be stalked too. You even mention Cho who stalked girls that weren't famous at all, he just knew them. Mentally disturbed people like Cho are going to stalk people no matter what and a lot of the time they just stalk people they've seen and actually live near. Basically my point about not worrying about stalking stands because you yourself have said that stalking can affect all women.
The response to both parts is that she's suddenly and drastically increased her risk of being stalked exponentially. Before she was only at risk within people who knew her personally; now everyone in her area and/or willing to go to her area, potentially.
I can agree with you on this point. But I don't see how this is any different than being on the local news or in the local newspaper or on national TV or anything of the sort. People get 15 minutes of fame all the time, attractive females more than most, so why should this situation be anything special? I guess the answer could be she didn't ask for this fame but that's not really true. It sounds like she would love to be a famous pole vaulter and I'm sure she's been in the local newspaper at least.
I just think she shouldn't be mad for being famous because she's attractive rather than for being a pole vaulter. It's pretty silly. If she was a famous pole vaulter she'd still have to deal with the same stalking problems and there would actually be much much more photographs of her in skimpy track outfits being posted all over the internet.
Let's be perfectly honest. This has absolutely nothing to do with her being a pole vaulter. Explain to me, at all, how she possibly asked for this kind of stalker-ish fame merely by participating in high school pole vaulting? I don't know where you grew up, but no one goes into high school pole vaulting to be famous.
Eh, it seems like if she could be famous for pole vaulting she would want to be. That article says: "In her high school track and field career, Stokke had won a 2004 California state pole vaulting title, broken five national records and earned a scholarship to the University of California, yet only track devotees had noticed." It's hard to know if this became such a big story just because it's somewhat of a precedent or because she is really well known for her pole vaulting. She's not just some random girl, she was obviously getting some attention before this happened.
She just seems to be mad because she's only being recognized for her looks and not her pole vaulting accomplishments. But she should realize that this is how it is for almost all attractive female athletes. No one really cares what accomplishments Anna Kournikova has for example except that she's extremely pretty.
God, how crestfallen and disappointed she must have been that she isn't famous for her pole vaulting. I mean, everyone knows the ticket to being on the American cable news networks 24/7 is to become a superstar pole vaulter. What a fucking famewhore she must be ~_~
That is total bullshit and you know it.
I agree with you, and like your argumentation. Basically, everyone here should know what is right and wrong in this situation, and no one should have to explain.
As I mentioned earlier though, if you are so against it why do you give her name and pictures in your blog? That behavior is the source of this problem.
As for the stalking I agree that it is scary. But so is terrorism.
That might the most god-awful, hilarious, fucked-up analogy I've ever read.
How is stalking and terrorism that different? In both cases you are being terrorized by a threat that most of the time doesn't actually do anything, it just causes fear. I really don't see how this analogy is that bad. Stalking might be more personal but that doesn't completely destroy the analogy.
On May 30 2007 08:20 GrandInquisitor wrote: Yeah. And the only cases you hear about people dying of natural causes are usually for really famous people, that doesn't mean that only famous people die of natural causes.
What you're saying here is that non-famous people can get stalked too. Isn't this kind of contradictory to your point? You are saying her being known is going to cause her to be more likely to be stalked but you are also saying nonfamous people can easily be stalked too. You even mention Cho who stalked girls that weren't famous at all, he just knew them. Mentally disturbed people like Cho are going to stalk people no matter what and a lot of the time they just stalk people they've seen and actually live near. Basically my point about not worrying about stalking stands because you yourself have said that stalking can affect all women.
The response to both parts is that she's suddenly and drastically increased her risk of being stalked exponentially. Before she was only at risk within people who knew her personally; now everyone in her area and/or willing to go to her area, potentially.
I can agree with you on this point. But I don't see how this is any different than being on the local news or in the local newspaper or on national TV or anything of the sort. People get 15 minutes of fame all the time, attractive females more than most, so why should this situation be anything special? I guess the answer could be she didn't ask for this fame but that's not really true. It sounds like she would love to be a famous pole vaulter and I'm sure she's been in the local newspaper at least.
I just think she shouldn't be mad for being famous because she's attractive rather than for being a pole vaulter. It's pretty silly. If she was a famous pole vaulter she'd still have to deal with the same stalking problems and there would actually be much much more photographs of her in skimpy track outfits being posted all over the internet.
Let's be perfectly honest. This has absolutely nothing to do with her being a pole vaulter. Explain to me, at all, how she possibly asked for this kind of stalker-ish fame merely by participating in high school pole vaulting? I don't know where you grew up, but no one goes into high school pole vaulting to be famous.
Eh, it seems like if she could be famous for pole vaulting she would want to be. That article says: "In her high school track and field career, Stokke had won a 2004 California state pole vaulting title, broken five national records and earned a scholarship to the University of California, yet only track devotees had noticed." It's hard to know if this became such a big story just because it's somewhat of a precedent or because she is really well known for her pole vaulting. She's not just some random girl, she was obviously getting some attention before this happened.
She just seems to be mad because she's only being recognized for her looks and not her pole vaulting accomplishments. But she should realize that this is how it is for almost all attractive female athletes. No one really cares what accomplishments Anna Kournikova has for example except that she's extremely pretty.
God, how crestfallen and disappointed she must have been that she isn't famous for her pole vaulting. I mean, everyone knows the ticket to being on the American cable news networks 24/7 is to become a superstar pole vaulter. What a fucking famewhore she must be ~_~
That is total bullshit and you know it.
Did you even read the fucking article? It said she was upset that this will overshadow her accomplishments in sports. So, no...it's the exact opposite of bullshit.
I was going to reply to GrandInquisitor with something along the lines of "You have sunken to making really stupid replies now." But you did it for me so thank you.
On May 30 2007 11:52 DeadVessel wrote: because she can't leave her house out of fear. unless she's really paranoid she's probably had an encounter.
She's an 18 year old girl. She's probably incredibly naive and stupid. Nowadays girls seem to think anything they don't want, be it being looked at or talked to one time by a guy they don't like or don't know, constitutes stalking.
Her father is a lawyer and they said nothing illegal had happened, so NO, she has not been stalked by anyone. Stop implying she has. Drama queen.
As for the stalking I agree that it is scary. But so is terrorism.
That might the most god-awful, hilarious, fucked-up analogy I've ever read.
How is stalking and terrorism that different? In both cases you are being terrorized by a threat that most of the time doesn't actually do anything, it just causes fear. I really don't see how this analogy is that bad. Stalking might be more personal but that doesn't completely destroy the analogy.
On May 30 2007 08:20 GrandInquisitor wrote: Yeah. And the only cases you hear about people dying of natural causes are usually for really famous people, that doesn't mean that only famous people die of natural causes.
What you're saying here is that non-famous people can get stalked too. Isn't this kind of contradictory to your point? You are saying her being known is going to cause her to be more likely to be stalked but you are also saying nonfamous people can easily be stalked too. You even mention Cho who stalked girls that weren't famous at all, he just knew them. Mentally disturbed people like Cho are going to stalk people no matter what and a lot of the time they just stalk people they've seen and actually live near. Basically my point about not worrying about stalking stands because you yourself have said that stalking can affect all women.
The response to both parts is that she's suddenly and drastically increased her risk of being stalked exponentially. Before she was only at risk within people who knew her personally; now everyone in her area and/or willing to go to her area, potentially.
I can agree with you on this point. But I don't see how this is any different than being on the local news or in the local newspaper or on national TV or anything of the sort. People get 15 minutes of fame all the time, attractive females more than most, so why should this situation be anything special? I guess the answer could be she didn't ask for this fame but that's not really true. It sounds like she would love to be a famous pole vaulter and I'm sure she's been in the local newspaper at least.
I just think she shouldn't be mad for being famous because she's attractive rather than for being a pole vaulter. It's pretty silly. If she was a famous pole vaulter she'd still have to deal with the same stalking problems and there would actually be much much more photographs of her in skimpy track outfits being posted all over the internet.
Let's be perfectly honest. This has absolutely nothing to do with her being a pole vaulter. Explain to me, at all, how she possibly asked for this kind of stalker-ish fame merely by participating in high school pole vaulting? I don't know where you grew up, but no one goes into high school pole vaulting to be famous.
Eh, it seems like if she could be famous for pole vaulting she would want to be. That article says: "In her high school track and field career, Stokke had won a 2004 California state pole vaulting title, broken five national records and earned a scholarship to the University of California, yet only track devotees had noticed." It's hard to know if this became such a big story just because it's somewhat of a precedent or because she is really well known for her pole vaulting. She's not just some random girl, she was obviously getting some attention before this happened.
She just seems to be mad because she's only being recognized for her looks and not her pole vaulting accomplishments. But she should realize that this is how it is for almost all attractive female athletes. No one really cares what accomplishments Anna Kournikova has for example except that she's extremely pretty.
God, how crestfallen and disappointed she must have been that she isn't famous for her pole vaulting. I mean, everyone knows the ticket to being on the American cable news networks 24/7 is to become a superstar pole vaulter. What a fucking famewhore she must be ~_~
That is total bullshit and you know it.
I agree with you, and like your argumentation. Basically, everyone here should know what is right and wrong in this situation, and no one should have to explain.
As I mentioned earlier though, if you are so against it why do you give her name and pictures in your blog? That behavior is the source of this problem.
I don't see a problem with spreading images that were already available on the internet. The only time it becomes questionable is when you post personal information about her so that people can track her down. But posting pictures of an anonymous attractive girl on the internet? Maybe you should move to Iran if you think that's wrong.
The wave of attention has steamrolled Stokke and her family in Newport Beach, Calif. She is recognized -- and stared at -- in coffee shops. She locks her doors and tries not to leave the house alone. Her father, Allan Stokke, comes home from his job as a lawyer and searches the Internet. He reads message boards and tries to pick out potential stalkers.
She may not be stalked but how would you like this to be happening to you?
OK, I am on my way to Iran, IF your definition of anonymous apparently includes giving the girls name and and an article which tells where she lives. Actually I don't think I'll go either way, because that was the dumbest fucking thing said in weeks.
I didn't say it was legally wrong, and I wouldn't propose such a law. Just wrong on a simple personal level. Must be HARD to understand.
The wave of attention has steamrolled Stokke and her family in Newport Beach, Calif. She is recognized -- and stared at -- in coffee shops. She locks her doors and tries not to leave the house alone. Her father, Allan Stokke, comes home from his job as a lawyer and searches the Internet. He reads message boards and tries to pick out potential stalkers.
She may not be stalked but how would you like this to be happening to you?
I stare at hot chicks in coffee shops whether I know who they are or not.
The wave of attention has steamrolled Stokke and her family in Newport Beach, Calif. She is recognized -- and stared at -- in coffee shops. She locks her doors and tries not to leave the house alone. Her father, Allan Stokke, comes home from his job as a lawyer and searches the Internet. He reads message boards and tries to pick out potential stalkers.
She may not be stalked but how would you like this to be happening to you?
Fortunately, I think this settled down a bit, since they took down her unofficial fan page. I'm sure it'll die out eventually anyway, with a new girl. That's the way it is, this viscious cycle... T_T
On May 30 2007 12:10 Servolisk wrote: I agree with you, and like your argumentation. Basically, everyone here should know what is right and wrong in this situation, and no one should have to explain.
I was hoping you were being sarcastic here but maybe you weren't?
On May 30 2007 12:24 Servolisk wrote: OK, I am on my way to Iran, IF your definition of anonymous apparently includes giving the girls name and and an article which tells where she lives. Actually I don't think I'll go either way, because that was the dumbest fucking thing said in weeks.
I didn't say it was legally wrong, and I wouldn't propose such a law. Just wrong on a simple personal level. Must be HARD to understand.
Wow, you're a retard. Try actually reading my post, then get an education and you might be able to comprehend it. But with your puny mind, I fucking doubt it. Your post makes it obvious you have no idea what I said.
On May 30 2007 12:10 Servolisk wrote: I agree with you, and like your argumentation. Basically, everyone here should know what is right and wrong in this situation, and no one should have to explain.
I was hoping you were being sarcastic here but maybe you weren't?
No, read his next post...he's just an idiot. He seems to think subjective things are concrete facts. Anyone who disagrees with his opinion is wrong.
On May 30 2007 11:51 BaconatedGrapefruit wrote: Did you even read the fucking article? It said she was upset that this will overshadow her accomplishments in sports. So, no...it's the exact opposite of bullshit.
You're misunderstanding what she's trying to say. News reports and interviews often don't quite convey what a person means to say, but you're just way off base here.
She was not trying to get famous from pole vaulting, that's just stupid. The issue here is that the pictures of her hardly present the message of who she is as a person, which includes things such as accomplishments (thus the reason why she mentioned pole vaulting). She may have mentioned other things but the news article seems to like to focus on the pole vaulting angle so they extracted that particular part of their interview with her. The image that's shown to all of us only tells us one thing, that she's hot. If people see her, she wants them to know her for what she is, besides her looks.
On May 30 2007 13:21 AmorVincitOmnia wrote: then she's a naive little girl that thinks people will give a shit about her pole vaulting while she looks like that.
no, she's a little girl that didn't ask to be publicly posted up everywhere for her looks rather than her -very impressive- pole vaulting record. obviously she didn't think she'd get famous from vaulting, but nor did she think she would be so harassed from a picture of her someone else took and spread on the internet
If she's winning these national compeitions and setting records and going all over the country then she must enjoy the attention and fame that she is getting. I don't mean to say she specifically went into pole vaulting to be famous but if you keep working really hard and competing at national competitions and winning you must realize you are getting well known. And if she continues to do it I'm assuming she likes the attention. Obviously she must have noticed people taking pictures of her before this event started. I guess the reasoning is it's okay for 20,000 people to see a picture of her in a newspaper but it's bad for 200,000 people to see a picture of her on the internet?
She is just mad guys care about her looks a lot more than her pole vaulting but that's way it is. She also seems to be pretty stupid to think that just because some random anonymous guys post sexual fantasies of her on the internet that they are going to stalk her too. Doesn't she realize by now that's what anonymous guys do? If she takes it as flattery instead of unfounded paranoia then no one would be hurt by this situation.
And I'm pretty sure that comment about people staring at her in coffee shops is an exaggeration. If a hot girl walks in a room most people look for a little bit. I doubt hardly anyone just stares at her. And even if the staring in public is annoying I'd be willing to bet the only reason most people in her area recognize her is because it was on the local news and in the local newspapers. You think a large portion of any given population actually follows stuff that happens on the internet? I don't think so.
Also the article never says she is actually harassed.
i'm curious as to how many times she's actually been approached. she's obviously attractive, but i mean fuck the last thing i'm thinking about while i'm out is "that pole vaulting bitch". i wouldn't even recognize her. i'd say there's a good chance she's blowing this all out of proportion. most people have never seen the picture, and have no idea who the hell she is.
On May 30 2007 13:41 AmorVincitOmnia wrote: i'm curious as to how many times she's actually been approached. she's obviously attractive, but i mean fuck the last thing i'm thinking about while i'm out is "that pole vaulting bitch". i wouldn't even recognize her. i'd say there's a good chance she's blowing this all out of proportion. most people have never seen the picture, and have no idea who the hell she is.
That's a good point. If I saw her on the street I doubt I'd recognize her unless I had just looked at her picture 5 minutes ago.
On May 30 2007 13:34 boghat wrote: If she's winning these national compeitions and setting records and going all over the country then she must enjoy the attention and fame that she is getting.
your're affirming the consequent here, we really don't know what drives her to compete. you can't assume her motivation, even though it's apparently evident to you.
I don't mean to say she specifically went into pole vaulting to be famous but if you keep working really hard and competing at national competitions and winning you must realizing you are getting well known. And if continues to do it I'm assuming she likes the attention.
you even admit here that's you're assuming that she enjoys the attention, and you're right -- that is an assumption, and given your argument of "she keeps competing", it's an invalid one.
She is just mad guys care about her looks a lot more than her pole vaulting but that's way it is. She also seems to be pretty stupid to think that just because some random anonymous guys post sexual fantasies of her on the internet that they are going to stalk her too. Doesn't she realize by now that's what anonymous guys do? If she takes it as flattery instead of unfounded paranoia then no one would be hurt by this situation.
who are you to tell her what to be offended and scared of and what not to be? knowing that people around the world whom you've never met think of you during personal sexual gratification may be an item of humour for a supermodel or a pornstar, but to a girl in high school? she's expressed her discomfort with it, there should be nothing more to discuss about it. (not there ever was, this entire discussion is ridiculous)
And I'm pretty sure that comment about people staring at her in coffee shops is an exaggeration. If a hot girl walks in a room most people look for a little bit. I doubt hardly anyone just stares at her. And even if the staring in public is annoying I'd be willing to bet the only reason most people in her area recognize her is because it was on the local news and in the local newspapers. You think a large portion of any given population actually follows stuff that happens on the internet? I don't think so.
as respected as your assumptions, and 'pretty sures', and 'doubts' are, they have nothing to do with this girl's feelings. it could be entirely possible that while sitting in a coffee shop she receives no more attention than a typical attractive woman would, but then again, maybe she does. she certainly claims that she does, and once, again, who are you to tell her otherwise?
On May 30 2007 13:34 boghat wrote: If she's winning these national compeitions and setting records and going all over the country then she must enjoy the attention and fame that she is getting. I don't mean to say she specifically went into pole vaulting to be famous but if you keep working really hard and competing at national competitions and winning you must realize you are getting well known. And if she continues to do it I'm assuming she likes the attention. Obviously she must have noticed people taking pictures of her before this event started. I guess the reasoning is it's okay for 20,000 people to see a picture of her in a newspaper but it's bad for 200,000 people to see a picture of her on the internet?
She is just mad guys care about her looks a lot more than her pole vaulting but that's way it is. She also seems to be pretty stupid to think that just because some random anonymous guys post sexual fantasies of her on the internet that they are going to stalk her too. Doesn't she realize by now that's what anonymous guys do? If she takes it as flattery instead of unfounded paranoia then no one would be hurt by this situation.
And I'm pretty sure that comment about people staring at her in coffee shops is an exaggeration. If a hot girl walks in a room most people look for a little bit. I doubt hardly anyone just stares at her. And even if the staring in public is annoying I'd be willing to bet the only reason most people in her area recognize her is because it was on the local news and in the local newspapers. You think a large portion of any given population actually follows stuff that happens on the internet? I don't think so.
Also the article never says she is actually harassed.
Man, this post makes me think you've never had contact with a member of the female race before. Saying that girls who have photos of them taken and plastered over the Internet should be "flattered" instead of "worried" - oh, no, I mean, "unfoundedly paranoid" - honestly, wtf?
I don't know if you have a little sister or not. But just try, try to imagine hundreds of thousands of people on message boards on the Internet talking about your little sister, posting it as their desktop backgrounds, making fake Facebook profiles, setting up websites, making MySpace fan groups, writing explicit sexual fantasies, saying they're going to go to your house and check her out. Imagine her being harrassed by phone calls, interview requests, and her high school getting dozens of photo shoot requests (including a nudie Brazilian magazine). All of these things actually happened (read the damn article). And she never asked for any of it. She just wanted to fucking pole-vault.
If you see nothing wrong with that, then...... She's fucking uncomfortable with it, who are you to tell her she shouldn't be? It's easy enough for you to say that she shouldn't be uppity or raise a fuss about it - but how much do you know of being her, or of even being a woman? Have you ever had this occur to you? Will it ever occur to you? No? So just accept the fact that this little girl is not happy with what happened, and don't assume that you know what is best for her or what she should be doing.
Although admittedly this is an assumption, I'm working my argument on the basis that they know how the internet works, and that they're not so scared of anonymous guys on the internet. As I said previously, there's the reasonable fear that some of the people lurking the internet are dangerous people. With the size and power of the internet there is some cause for concern here.
Regarding the argument about how not everyone follows internet happenings, I think it's unreasonable to assume that only the people who frequent the internet would know about her. News travels fast, and direct word of mouth can transfer information really fast. Everyone at school probably learned about this really quickly, and then extra photographers coming to events probably raises eyebrows. It's not so hard to believe that people around town would know about something like this.
Wear baggy clothes and don't do your makeup? Seriously i wouldn't be able to differentiate her from any other hot girl while walking down the street regardless of what's she's wearing/who she is.
On May 30 2007 13:50 boghat wrote: You're overreacting more than her now.
What, you're "bored" of this argument again once you run out of things to say and don't know how to respond? jesus
Actually that was aimed at CTStalker and I was just about to edit it to reply to you so hold on. I was bored for awhile but I can't resist responding to people in a thread I'm already caught up in.
I have two younger sisters. If this happened to one of them they would probably be upset about it at first. But if they were afraid to leave the house I'd probably say some of the same things I'm writing on this thread to her to convince her to not be afraid. Also I'd give the advice to just not actively seek out message boards talking about her, like this thread, if it is going to make her upset because nothing on message boards is real. It's just talk between anonymous people. My sisters would usually have friends with them if they go to some place like a coffee shop and I would think it may be amusing for her and her friends if people actually noticed her but maybe not.
Also when I said I was bored that was at the end of a post in which I had already replied to you so you can't really accuse me of running when I don't know how to respond.
Well since she can't really do much about the spread on the internet now I think my advice is pretty good. She should just stop complaining, stop being afraid, and just move on. That is basically the core of what I am arguing ... I think ... I don't even know what our two sides of this argument exactly are anymore -.-
Well since she can't really do much about the spread on the internet now I think my advice is pretty good. She should just stop complaining, stop being afraid, and just move on. That is basically the core of what I am arguing ... I think ... I don't even know what our two sides of this argument exactly are anymore -.-
I think the main point that I disagreed with was that you were basically calling her a hypocrite for not wanting fame despite pursuing pole vaulting at a national level. I think that given we don't know anything about her motivations for pole vaulting, it's a pretty unreasonable claim to make.
On May 30 2007 14:16 TesisMech wrote: Am I the only one who doesnt find her attractive ? wtf she is like typical a 16 year old girl
Since most people look about ten times better in person than in pictures, maybe people are assuming that is the case with her. But since she only looks really stellar in that one picture, I think it's a fluke, and she's just another fit, fairly pretty 18 year old.
Well since she can't really do much about the spread on the internet now I think my advice is pretty good. She should just stop complaining, stop being afraid, and just move on. That is basically the core of what I am arguing ... I think ... I don't even know what our two sides of this argument exactly are anymore -.-
I think the main point that I disagreed with was that you were basically calling her a hypocrite for not wanting fame despite pursuing pole vaulting at a national level. I think that given we don't know anything about her motivations for pole vaulting, it's a pretty unreasonable claim to make.
Yeah that point is kind of iffy. It's just that obviously she could see she was getting photographed at these games so where did she think the photos would go? Just in a newspaper maybe but even newspapers have online websites now with pictures. It seems inevitable to me that if you're competing in national competitions and winning and are being photographed then your picture is going to end up being on the internet. It's just weird that she's so against being famous and yet competes on a national level. I'm not calling her a hypocrite I'm just saying it's a bit weird.
She doesn't want to be famous because of her looks, she wants to be famous for poll jumping and whatever career she will be getting later in her life. MAYBE she's poll jumping because she likes the sport? Who wouldn't want to fly 13 feet in the air and know they'll land safely? I wrestled in my HS and I didn't wrestle because I wanted to be famous. I wanted to wrestle to vent my stress and see how far I could push my body. I really admire her position on this because you don't find many girls out there who don't flaunt their looks first and then what's left of their brain.
This whole fiasco probably ruined her life somewhat. She can't find comfort in public places anymore. Any man she sees, she'll wonder if he's one of those idiots in those forums talking about her.
On May 30 2007 14:55 Headlines wrote: She doesn't want to be famous because of her looks, she wants to be famous for poll jumping and whatever career she will be getting later in her life. MAYBE she's poll jumping because she likes the sport? Who wouldn't want to fly 13 feet in the air and know they'll land safely? I wrestled in my HS and I didn't wrestle because I wanted to be famous. I wanted to wrestle to vent my stress and see how far I could push my body. I really admire her position on this because you don't find many girls out there who don't flaunt their looks first and then what's left of their brain.
This whole fiasco probably ruined her life somewhat. She can't find comfort in public places anymore. Any man she sees, she'll wonder if he's one of those idiots in those forums talking about her.
All the harms you mention are self-induced psychological problems. Until anyone harasses or stalks her, there are no actual harms. You cannot call irrational paranoia an external harm.
Maybe I was exaggerating a little but I'm damn sure she has a different view on public now. And Harass? You think people making websites and other stuff online about her and then criticizing her isn't harass?
On May 30 2007 14:55 Headlines wrote: She doesn't want to be famous because of her looks, she wants to be famous for poll jumping and whatever career she will be getting later in her life. MAYBE she's poll jumping because she likes the sport? Who wouldn't want to fly 13 feet in the air and know they'll land safely? I wrestled in my HS and I didn't wrestle because I wanted to be famous. I wanted to wrestle to vent my stress and see how far I could push my body. I really admire her position on this because you don't find many girls out there who don't flaunt their looks first and then what's left of their brain.
This whole fiasco probably ruined her life somewhat. She can't find comfort in public places anymore. Any man she sees, she'll wonder if he's one of those idiots in those forums talking about her.
lol, saying it has "ruined her life" is going a bit far. In fact I bet it'll make a godo story for her to talk about in a few years. And it'll make it easy if she ever needs to write a life experience essay or something. Lucky her!
Ahahahah she's smart. If she acted like she didn't really care about the pictures/videos (she probably didn't care anyway, I doubt anyone would) the few thousand peolpe who saw the picture would look at it and then move on to other pictures. Instead she goes and makes a fuss about it, getting national media attention, college offers from ivy league schools, and probably hundreds of thousands more people to see her photos who would have never otherwise seen them.
On May 30 2007 22:55 zdd wrote: Ahahahah she's smart. If she acted like she didn't really care about the pictures/videos (she probably didn't care anyway, I doubt anyone would) the few thousand peolpe who saw the picture would look at it and then move on to other pictures. Instead she goes and makes a fuss about it, getting national media attention, college offers from ivy league schools, and probably hundreds of thousands more people to see her photos who would have never otherwise seen them.
This sort of shit happens with celebrities every day.
I can just imagine their PR manager: "ok.. you have a stagnant image.. what we can do is work on a heroin addiction... wait wait.. that's too rough. Ok Ok. New idea, lets work on an ALCOHOL addiction. You get plastered at a party, drive home drunk and crash into a pole. Then we can put you into rehab and everyone can say how you're so brave for recovering and you can be all over the news."
People are sheep. Suggestion: if you're horny over this chick it only costs $190 (in Australia) to go to a brothel and have sex with a chick that's hotter AND better in bed. Now, I personally have never been to a brothel nor would I ever. Well.. never say never, but my friend did get ALL his orifices licked. I MEAN ALL! Think about it! Half an hour for $190 .. makes any internet porn seem "meh".
NB: I am not condoning prostitution in this post. Although... HOW COULD YOU NOT!!???
On May 30 2007 22:55 zdd wrote: Ahahahah she's smart. If she acted like she didn't really care about the pictures/videos (she probably didn't care anyway, I doubt anyone would) the few thousand peolpe who saw the picture would look at it and then move on to other pictures. Instead she goes and makes a fuss about it, getting national media attention, college offers from ivy league schools, and probably hundreds of thousands more people to see her photos who would have never otherwise seen them.
This sort of shit happens with celebrities every day.
I can just imagine their PR manager: "ok.. you have a stagnant image.. what we can do is work on a heroin addiction... wait wait.. that's too rough. Ok Ok. New idea, lets work on an ALCOHOL addiction. You get plastered at a party, drive home drunk and crash into a pole. Then we can put you into rehab and everyone can say how you're so brave for recovering and you can be all over the news."
People are sheep. Suggestion: if you're horny over this chick it only costs $190 (in Australia) to go to a brothel and have sex with a chick that's hotter AND better in bed. Now, I personally have never been to a brothel nor would I ever. Well.. never say never, but my friend did get ALL his orifices licked. I MEAN ALL! Think about it! Half an hour for $190 .. makes any internet porn seem "meh".
NB: I am not condoning prostitution in this post. Although... HOW COULD YOU NOT!!???
On May 30 2007 15:10 Headlines wrote: And Harass? You think people making websites and other stuff online about her and then criticizing her isn't harass?
Um no; in no way is that harassment. Perhaps you should buy a legal dictionary before you argue points about the law.
since most of the opinions here are based on the poster personal opinion of 'what would HE do if that happened to him' it's fair to say that you people, are hollywoodised attention whores with a quest for your 15 minutes of fame; when you get there, if ever, i hope nobody gives a shit about you.
On May 30 2007 23:42 xM(Z wrote: since most of the opinions here are based on the poster personal opinion of 'what would HE do if that happened to him' it's fair to say that you people, are hollywoodised attention whores with a quest for your 15 minutes of fame; when you get there, if ever, i hope nobody gives a shit about you.
Your logic is flawless and your insults are sublime.
On May 30 2007 22:55 zdd wrote: Ahahahah she's smart. If she acted like she didn't really care about the pictures/videos (she probably didn't care anyway, I doubt anyone would) the few thousand peolpe who saw the picture would look at it and then move on to other pictures. Instead she goes and makes a fuss about it, getting national media attention, college offers from ivy league schools, and probably hundreds of thousands more people to see her photos who would have never otherwise seen them.
This sort of shit happens with celebrities every day.
I can just imagine their PR manager: "ok.. you have a stagnant image.. what we can do is work on a heroin addiction... wait wait.. that's too rough. Ok Ok. New idea, lets work on an ALCOHOL addiction. You get plastered at a party, drive home drunk and crash into a pole. Then we can put you into rehab and everyone can say how you're so brave for recovering and you can be all over the news."
People are sheep.
I think you are giving celebrities way too much credit. Mostly they are just drunks and drug addicts that party a lot. There's nothing else to it. I also seriously doubt this girl only pretended to act like she cared.
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), and no one on TL was part of anything overly degrading, and no one on TL is going to go stalk her either. Not much different than people who gawk at a hot girl IRL, and that isn't a big deal. 
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She's fucking uncomfortable with it, who are you to tell her she shouldn't be? It's easy enough for you to say that she shouldn't be uppity or raise a fuss about it - but how much do you know of being her, or of even being a woman? Have you ever had this occur to you? Will it ever occur to you? No? So just accept the fact that this little girl is not happy with what happened, and don't assume that you know what is best for her or what she should be doing.
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