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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 09 2018 00:04 GMT
#18361
Protests are really hard to plan and require a lot of work to set up. The idea of a nation wide instant protest has always seemed like a pipe dream.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20287 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-09 01:17:34
November 09 2018 00:04 GMT
#18362
It's a matter of fact, not belief. It's happening right in front of you. Several of them have blatant keyword / URL blocks, some have a handful of incredibly biased mods with a huge amount of power over what other people see on the site as well. I spent half the morning watching threads rise through the reddit frontpage and get deleted a few minutes later by mods of e.g. r/politics without cause. Propaganda bots are working overtime and their interference with previous events have been well documented.

edit: ah i see, there's one scheduled in my town for the weekend.


They're ALL scheduled to start today, 5pm.

Some particularly anti-democracy people had an organized effort to post or take ownership of many of the events and then cancel them or change the time to the wrong time after the protests were called in an attempt to confuse people and lessen the impact of the protests.




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https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/11/crowds-are-gathering-in-times-square-for-protect-mueller-rally-sessions-new-york/

Now it's picking up some steam

https://twitter.com/hashtag/ProtectMueller #1 trending on twitter, lots of pics and videos


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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18828 Posts
November 09 2018 01:52 GMT
#18363
Nice, thanks for spreading the word, Cyro.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20287 Posts
November 09 2018 01:59 GMT
#18364
Np, really i hope it gets more attention

Figured out the times square thing, they started to march somewhere else after a while.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15689 Posts
November 09 2018 02:17 GMT
#18365
Tons of people marching in my city. Had a blast. Very happy to see so many people
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-09 04:07:56
November 09 2018 03:42 GMT
#18366
Shit is getting Iit in Florida. Rick Scott complaining about all the voting being countered could lead to him losing the election.

If AZ and FL break for the Democrats, the most favorable Senate map in a century will have basically broken even for the party it favors.

But the damaging being done right now is going to stay a while. It’s hard to come back from people claiming the elections are rigged.


Edit:


He filed a lawsuit to stop the votes from being counted. They have not certified the results and he filed a lawsuit. They didn’t find ballots, the counting just isn’t finished.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
November 09 2018 04:27 GMT
#18367
Rick Scott is a POS, though I think most people know that already.
Never Knows Best.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-09 04:50:40
November 09 2018 04:50 GMT
#18368
Sinema has a good chance of pulling ahead based on the location and type of ballots remaining but I doubt Nelson or Gillium are going pull ahead with the Cuban vote going for the Republican candidates so disproportionately. Dunno why Scott (or Rubio) are really getting so upset and preemptively assuming vote rigging, they've already reached the point where there has to be a recount and they're probably still going to win said recount.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4756 Posts
November 09 2018 04:53 GMT
#18369
On November 09 2018 13:50 Womwomwom wrote:
Sinema has a good chance of pulling ahead based on the location and type of ballots remaining but I doubt Nelson or Gillium are going pull ahead with the Cuban vote going for the Republican candidates so disproportionately. Dunno why Scott (or Rubio) are really getting so upset and preemptively assuming vote rigging, they've already reached the point where there has to be a recount and they're probably still going to win said recount.


last i read on arizona the last dump was Sinema's good one, the rest should be e-day ballots, which is prob good for mcsally, depending on where exactly they are from in Maricopa. From what I've seen no one knows exactly where they are from, though, so it's in the air.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-09 04:56:59
November 09 2018 04:55 GMT
#18370
I think the "fake votes/vote rigging" messaging is an ongoing part of the GOP brand in multiple states at this point, they say it whether they're winning or losing. It's their shield to pass voter ID laws that will disproportionately disenfranchise their opponents which is one of their main planks at this point.

Most times they'll also do anything they can to prevent an actual assessment of it so that they can keep the chip in their pocket (e.g. McCrory in 2016).
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-09 05:28:00
November 09 2018 05:26 GMT
#18371
On November 09 2018 13:53 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 13:50 Womwomwom wrote:
Sinema has a good chance of pulling ahead based on the location and type of ballots remaining but I doubt Nelson or Gillium are going pull ahead with the Cuban vote going for the Republican candidates so disproportionately. Dunno why Scott (or Rubio) are really getting so upset and preemptively assuming vote rigging, they've already reached the point where there has to be a recount and they're probably still going to win said recount.


last i read on arizona the last dump was Sinema's good one, the rest should be e-day ballots, which is prob good for mcsally, depending on where exactly they are from in Maricopa. From what I've seen no one knows exactly where they are from, though, so it's in the air.


It isn't just Maricopa left to count, its also Pima if I'm not wrong. If I were to choose between the two, I'd rather be Sinema than McSally.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4756 Posts
November 09 2018 05:33 GMT
#18372
On November 09 2018 14:26 Womwomwom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 13:53 Introvert wrote:
On November 09 2018 13:50 Womwomwom wrote:
Sinema has a good chance of pulling ahead based on the location and type of ballots remaining but I doubt Nelson or Gillium are going pull ahead with the Cuban vote going for the Republican candidates so disproportionately. Dunno why Scott (or Rubio) are really getting so upset and preemptively assuming vote rigging, they've already reached the point where there has to be a recount and they're probably still going to win said recount.


last i read on arizona the last dump was Sinema's good one, the rest should be e-day ballots, which is prob good for mcsally, depending on where exactly they are from in Maricopa. From what I've seen no one knows exactly where they are from, though, so it's in the air.


It isn't just Maricopa left to count, its also Pima if I'm not wrong. If I were to choose between the two, I'd rather be Sinema than McSally.



there was at least one pima drop earlier today, and there are still ~345k votes out in Maricopa. I'd always prefer to have the lead, though.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15689 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-09 06:45:16
November 09 2018 06:44 GMT
#18373
On November 09 2018 14:33 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 14:26 Womwomwom wrote:
On November 09 2018 13:53 Introvert wrote:
On November 09 2018 13:50 Womwomwom wrote:
Sinema has a good chance of pulling ahead based on the location and type of ballots remaining but I doubt Nelson or Gillium are going pull ahead with the Cuban vote going for the Republican candidates so disproportionately. Dunno why Scott (or Rubio) are really getting so upset and preemptively assuming vote rigging, they've already reached the point where there has to be a recount and they're probably still going to win said recount.


last i read on arizona the last dump was Sinema's good one, the rest should be e-day ballots, which is prob good for mcsally, depending on where exactly they are from in Maricopa. From what I've seen no one knows exactly where they are from, though, so it's in the air.


It isn't just Maricopa left to count, its also Pima if I'm not wrong. If I were to choose between the two, I'd rather be Sinema than McSally.



there was at least one pima drop earlier today, and there are still ~345k votes out in Maricopa. I'd always prefer to have the lead, though.


Maricopa went 49 to Trump and 45 Clinton, as seen here https://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/arizona/

Not to say I am contradicting you. Just adding context.

ReditusSum
Profile Joined September 2018
79 Posts
November 09 2018 07:52 GMT
#18374
Just out of curiosity when was the last time a Republican lost on election night and then won five days later? Bush II won on the night and won the recount, so that one doesn't even quite count.

I'm not saying it's rigged, but it does seem awful lucky for Democrats that they always manage to find tens of thousands of votes whenever the election is close.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17993 Posts
November 09 2018 07:56 GMT
#18375
On November 09 2018 16:52 ReditusSum wrote:
Just out of curiosity when was the last time a Republican lost on election night and then won five days later? Bush II won on the night and won the recount, so that one doesn't even quite count.

I'm not saying it's rigged, but it does seem awful lucky for Democrats that they always manage to find tens of thousands of votes whenever the election is close.

I dunno. When was the last time *anybody* did that? I'd assume it's pretty rare for a recount to go the other way from the initial one. But it's worth doing to ensure no mistakes were made.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12185 Posts
November 09 2018 08:26 GMT
#18376
On November 09 2018 16:52 ReditusSum wrote:
Just out of curiosity when was the last time a Republican lost on election night and then won five days later? Bush II won on the night and won the recount, so that one doesn't even quite count.

I'm not saying it's rigged, but it does seem awful lucky for Democrats that they always manage to find tens of thousands of votes whenever the election is close.


Not sure what's so lucky about it. Whether it's a conspiracy or not (it's not), it would have been better for the votes to be already counted with the others.
No will to live, no wish to die
ReditusSum
Profile Joined September 2018
79 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-09 09:13:09
November 09 2018 09:12 GMT
#18377
On November 09 2018 16:56 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 16:52 ReditusSum wrote:
Just out of curiosity when was the last time a Republican lost on election night and then won five days later? Bush II won on the night and won the recount, so that one doesn't even quite count.

I'm not saying it's rigged, but it does seem awful lucky for Democrats that they always manage to find tens of thousands of votes whenever the election is close.

I dunno. When was the last time *anybody* did that? I'd assume it's pretty rare for a recount to go the other way from the initial one. But it's worth doing to ensure no mistakes were made.

For recounts it looks like it only happened 3 times in the last 2 decades:
Al Frankon - Minn. -2008 (Democrat)
Thomas Salmon -Vermont -2006 (Democrat, switched to Republican in 2009)
Christine Gregoire -Washington -2004 (Democrat)

Harder to track down the "couple of days later" wins, but off the top of my head I can think of one:
Dan Bongino (Republican) was ahead in Maryland 6 on Election night 2014, concedes three days later.

Just wondering if anyone had an example of it going the other way. A Republican loses on Election night, but what-do-you-know there are still tens of thousands of outstanding votes from a Republican stronghold precinct/district/area and then three days later he wins.

pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1352 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-09 09:23:02
November 09 2018 09:22 GMT
#18378
If the white house did doctor that vid from cnn then they crossed a big red line. Its been pretty big in the news over here.
Acosta could sue the white house for smear I think or no?
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
November 09 2018 09:41 GMT
#18379
On November 09 2018 18:22 pmh wrote:
If the white house did doctor that vid from cnn then they crossed a big red line. Its been pretty big in the news over here.
Acosta could sue the white house for smear I think or no?


You'd have to prove the White House didn't believe that the video was true, I think, and that's virtually impossible at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if half of them took an insanity plea if put on the stand and, looking at the last two years, any judge in the land just shrugs and says 'Yeah, that makes sense'.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17993 Posts
November 09 2018 10:26 GMT
#18380
On November 09 2018 18:41 iamthedave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 18:22 pmh wrote:
If the white house did doctor that vid from cnn then they crossed a big red line. Its been pretty big in the news over here.
Acosta could sue the white house for smear I think or no?


You'd have to prove the White House didn't believe that the video was true, I think, and that's virtually impossible at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if half of them took an insanity plea if put on the stand and, looking at the last two years, any judge in the land just shrugs and says 'Yeah, that makes sense'.

Seems to me that all you'd need to prove is that the video the white house put out was doctored (and therefore a falsehood deliberately perpetrated). I guess you'd also have to show that it was someone within the white house who doctored the video, but given that they are, insofar as we know, the source, that seems quite simple.

My main issue, however, with the "proof" so far, is that it's like 2 or 3 dropped frames, which could simply be an encoding issue, and therefore a rather unfortunate accident, rather than a deliberate attempt at making Acosta look bad.
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