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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-08 21:58:29
November 08 2018 21:58 GMT
#18341
Like most things in the Trump era, it can be both very important and a total distraction. They're not really mutually exclusive anymore.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-08 22:05:15
November 08 2018 22:02 GMT
#18342
On November 09 2018 06:55 crms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 05:31 Mohdoo wrote:
This whole Acosta thing is the most obvious distraction from Mueller ever. I am so sad seeing how much attention this is getting.

I'd agree if they didn't release doctored footage. With that release this is definitely a major issue and it's pathetic there isn't nonpartisan, unified push back.

The further question is if Trump disliked Acosta so much, why did he call on him? Trump was ready to pick a fight with the press and cover for the overt attempts to derail Mueller's investigation.

Not that it will do anything. Mueller knew this was going to happen at some point and most of the investigation has been referred to other offices. His final report is the only thing at real risk.

On a side note: There is a pretty sound argument that the Interim AG is bound by the actions of the previous AG, including recusel.

On November 09 2018 06:55 crms wrote:
Are you purposefully disingenuous or just copy pasting spin for unreliable sources? She didn't 'collapse in court', she fell in her office some time in the evening hours then went home. She then went to the hospital the next morning. I'd normally shrug off your comment as semantics but given your history I doubt it was a mistake.

From all the evidence available, Nettles doesn’t read news or much first hand reporting. He receives all of his updates through third parties or other sorts of conspiracy theory filters.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4333 Posts
November 08 2018 22:11 GMT
#18343
On November 09 2018 06:55 crms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 05:31 Mohdoo wrote:
This whole Acosta thing is the most obvious distraction from Mueller ever. I am so sad seeing how much attention this is getting.

I'd agree if they didn't release doctored footage. With that release this is definitely a major issue and it's pathetic there isn't nonpartisan, unified push back.


Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 06:51 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Ginsberg broke several ribs after collapsing in court.Maybe time for her to retire?


Are you purposefully disingenuous or just copy pasting spin for unreliable sources? She didn't 'collapse in court', she fell in her office some time in the evening hours then went home. She then went to the hospital the next morning. I'd normally shrug off your comment as semantics but given your history I doubt it was a mistake.

She fell in her office AT the court.
Really time for her to go i think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-08 22:26:17
November 08 2018 22:24 GMT
#18344
On November 09 2018 06:00 Logo wrote:
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On November 09 2018 05:25 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Obviously it'll never happen, I just find it so odd that there was no will/mechanism to vote on something like that before November 6th so that they could actually have a voice in their representation for the next at least 2 years. Who am I kidding, the GOP would be more likely to lose, of course there was no will or mechanism to do it.


To be fair felon disenfranchisement isn't just a GOP thing (though in Florida's case it seems almost certainly targeted and ex-felons is a particularly heinous restriction). Outside of Vermont and Maine every state unfairly restricts the voting rights of people caught up in the US justice system and that includes states that have been Dem controlled for a long time.


Yeah, and if Dem states ever change due a referendum they'll also probably do it at a major election despite it making little sense. I mostly just think it's odd from a democratic standpoint to place massive enfranchisement (or disenfranchisement) measures at the same time at major elections that have years (or in the event of some appointments lifetime) of consequences, and considering the GOP has trifecta control of Florida I find them to be particularly poor at pretending to be impartial with their reasoning.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-08 22:26:01
November 08 2018 22:24 GMT
#18345
On November 09 2018 07:11 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 06:55 crms wrote:
On November 09 2018 05:31 Mohdoo wrote:
This whole Acosta thing is the most obvious distraction from Mueller ever. I am so sad seeing how much attention this is getting.

I'd agree if they didn't release doctored footage. With that release this is definitely a major issue and it's pathetic there isn't nonpartisan, unified push back.


On November 09 2018 06:51 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Ginsberg broke several ribs after collapsing in court.Maybe time for her to retire?


Are you purposefully disingenuous or just copy pasting spin for unreliable sources? She didn't 'collapse in court', she fell in her office some time in the evening hours then went home. She then went to the hospital the next morning. I'd normally shrug off your comment as semantics but given your history I doubt it was a mistake.

She fell in her office AT the court.
Really time for her to go i think.


"Trump lied again today (i dont even have to fact check this... he statisically lies on every day that ends in Y) and blatantly violated the constitution by assigning the acting AG he did. Really time for him to go I think."

Am I doing this right? At least my argument makes sense in context. Falling and breaking ribs is not a sign that someone needs to leave their judgeship. I assume you wouldnt be saying this if Thomas broke his ribs tripping on the stairs to the court house. Or is susceptibility to injury a SCOTUS criteria now?
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4333 Posts
November 08 2018 22:31 GMT
#18346
On November 09 2018 07:24 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 07:11 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On November 09 2018 06:55 crms wrote:
On November 09 2018 05:31 Mohdoo wrote:
This whole Acosta thing is the most obvious distraction from Mueller ever. I am so sad seeing how much attention this is getting.

I'd agree if they didn't release doctored footage. With that release this is definitely a major issue and it's pathetic there isn't nonpartisan, unified push back.


On November 09 2018 06:51 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Ginsberg broke several ribs after collapsing in court.Maybe time for her to retire?


Are you purposefully disingenuous or just copy pasting spin for unreliable sources? She didn't 'collapse in court', she fell in her office some time in the evening hours then went home. She then went to the hospital the next morning. I'd normally shrug off your comment as semantics but given your history I doubt it was a mistake.

She fell in her office AT the court.
Really time for her to go i think.


"Trump lied again today (i dont even have to fact check this... he statisically lies on every day that ends in Y) and blatantly violated the constitution by assigning the acting AG he did. Really time for him to go I think."

Am I doing this right? At least my argument makes sense in context. Falling and breaking ribs is not a sign that someone needs to leave their judgeship. I assume you wouldnt be saying this if Thomas broke his ribs tripping on the stairs to the court house. Or is susceptibility to injury a SCOTUS criteria now?

Sure, i’d say Thomas should retire if that happened.35% of people over 65 who fracture ribs contract pneumonia.Best to retire, reduce stress and heal up.Those bones don’t heal as fast as they used to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-08 22:34:15
November 08 2018 22:33 GMT
#18347
On November 09 2018 07:31 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 07:24 On_Slaught wrote:
On November 09 2018 07:11 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On November 09 2018 06:55 crms wrote:
On November 09 2018 05:31 Mohdoo wrote:
This whole Acosta thing is the most obvious distraction from Mueller ever. I am so sad seeing how much attention this is getting.

I'd agree if they didn't release doctored footage. With that release this is definitely a major issue and it's pathetic there isn't nonpartisan, unified push back.


On November 09 2018 06:51 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Ginsberg broke several ribs after collapsing in court.Maybe time for her to retire?


Are you purposefully disingenuous or just copy pasting spin for unreliable sources? She didn't 'collapse in court', she fell in her office some time in the evening hours then went home. She then went to the hospital the next morning. I'd normally shrug off your comment as semantics but given your history I doubt it was a mistake.

She fell in her office AT the court.
Really time for her to go i think.


"Trump lied again today (i dont even have to fact check this... he statisically lies on every day that ends in Y) and blatantly violated the constitution by assigning the acting AG he did. Really time for him to go I think."

Am I doing this right? At least my argument makes sense in context. Falling and breaking ribs is not a sign that someone needs to leave their judgeship. I assume you wouldnt be saying this if Thomas broke his ribs tripping on the stairs to the court house. Or is susceptibility to injury a SCOTUS criteria now?

Sure, i’d say Thomas should retire if that happened.35% of people over 65 who fracture ribs contract pneumonia.Best to retire, reduce stress and heal up.Those bones don’t heal as fast as they used to.


If one was to ask RBG to do this I imagine her response would be "over my dead body." Only way she is leaving while Trump is President is in a casket.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
November 08 2018 22:37 GMT
#18348
On November 09 2018 07:33 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 07:31 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On November 09 2018 07:24 On_Slaught wrote:
On November 09 2018 07:11 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On November 09 2018 06:55 crms wrote:
On November 09 2018 05:31 Mohdoo wrote:
This whole Acosta thing is the most obvious distraction from Mueller ever. I am so sad seeing how much attention this is getting.

I'd agree if they didn't release doctored footage. With that release this is definitely a major issue and it's pathetic there isn't nonpartisan, unified push back.


On November 09 2018 06:51 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Ginsberg broke several ribs after collapsing in court.Maybe time for her to retire?


Are you purposefully disingenuous or just copy pasting spin for unreliable sources? She didn't 'collapse in court', she fell in her office some time in the evening hours then went home. She then went to the hospital the next morning. I'd normally shrug off your comment as semantics but given your history I doubt it was a mistake.

She fell in her office AT the court.
Really time for her to go i think.


"Trump lied again today (i dont even have to fact check this... he statisically lies on every day that ends in Y) and blatantly violated the constitution by assigning the acting AG he did. Really time for him to go I think."

Am I doing this right? At least my argument makes sense in context. Falling and breaking ribs is not a sign that someone needs to leave their judgeship. I assume you wouldnt be saying this if Thomas broke his ribs tripping on the stairs to the court house. Or is susceptibility to injury a SCOTUS criteria now?

Sure, i’d say Thomas should retire if that happened.35% of people over 65 who fracture ribs contract pneumonia.Best to retire, reduce stress and heal up.Those bones don’t heal as fast as they used to.


If one was to ask RBG to do this I imagine her response would be "over my dead body." Only way she is leaving while Trump is President is in a casket.

I agree, plus I know she remains as active as she can, so I believe that despite the risks associated with this kind of injury to someone that old, she'll make a complete recovery and serve until at least 2020
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 08 2018 22:39 GMT
#18349
On November 09 2018 07:31 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 07:24 On_Slaught wrote:
On November 09 2018 07:11 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On November 09 2018 06:55 crms wrote:
On November 09 2018 05:31 Mohdoo wrote:
This whole Acosta thing is the most obvious distraction from Mueller ever. I am so sad seeing how much attention this is getting.

I'd agree if they didn't release doctored footage. With that release this is definitely a major issue and it's pathetic there isn't nonpartisan, unified push back.


On November 09 2018 06:51 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Ginsberg broke several ribs after collapsing in court.Maybe time for her to retire?


Are you purposefully disingenuous or just copy pasting spin for unreliable sources? She didn't 'collapse in court', she fell in her office some time in the evening hours then went home. She then went to the hospital the next morning. I'd normally shrug off your comment as semantics but given your history I doubt it was a mistake.

She fell in her office AT the court.
Really time for her to go i think.


"Trump lied again today (i dont even have to fact check this... he statisically lies on every day that ends in Y) and blatantly violated the constitution by assigning the acting AG he did. Really time for him to go I think."

Am I doing this right? At least my argument makes sense in context. Falling and breaking ribs is not a sign that someone needs to leave their judgeship. I assume you wouldnt be saying this if Thomas broke his ribs tripping on the stairs to the court house. Or is susceptibility to injury a SCOTUS criteria now?

Sure, i’d say Thomas should retire if that happened.35% of people over 65 who fracture ribs contract pneumonia.Best to retire, reduce stress and heal up.Those bones don’t heal as fast as they used to.

The notorious RBG isn't going to retire over a few broken ribs. She will retire the same was Scalia did.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20287 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-08 22:56:12
November 08 2018 22:48 GMT
#18350
There's some pretty wild censorship going on w/ some of the largest social media sites. Facebook's on there, several of the largest news subreddits are ctrl+f or automod banning people for talking about the RR protests. There's a clear and coordinated effort to mess up organization and change the narrative.

There also seems to be a russiabot campaign to spread the false idea that the protests have been delayed or cancelled.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-08 23:03:20
November 08 2018 23:00 GMT
#18351
On November 09 2018 05:00 ticklishmusic wrote:
Florida Governor's race is now under a 0.5% margin, looks like a recount. Senator and AG race were already in recount territory too.

Florida and recounts, name a more iconic duo.


Reading everything regarding Broward County is amazing. Apparently some school teacher found a random box labeled “Provisional ballots” left behind at the school she works at. The fuck is wrong with American election infrastructure. I'm almost expecting Florida to find some random box of votes from the Gore vs. Bush election at this rate.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15689 Posts
November 08 2018 23:00 GMT
#18352
On November 09 2018 07:48 Cyro wrote:
There's some pretty wild censorship going on w/ some of the largest social media sites. Facebook's on there, several of the largest news subreddits are ctrl+f or automod banning people for talking about the RR protests. There's a clear and coordinated effort to mess up organization and change the narrative.

There also seems to be a russiabot campaign to spread the false idea that the protests have been delayed or cancelled.

Yeah, this is super fucked up. It is amazing seeing this much silence and how blatant the censorship is. I'm really worried.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35150 Posts
November 08 2018 23:08 GMT
#18353
On November 09 2018 00:40 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 00:34 brian wrote:
woof, highest turn out in a half century and we barely took a majority. not a good look.

Honestly, only if for people who don't know anything about politics, goverment and institutional power. I understand that Trump and the news have tried to turn elections into pro-wrestling, but it is still just politics. Trump didn't sweep either. He barely won and his part lost seats in his election. People looking for instant gratification and overwhelming victories will always be disappointed by politics.

Speaking of, this touches on that a little bit.

Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
November 08 2018 23:32 GMT
#18354
On November 09 2018 08:00 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 07:48 Cyro wrote:
There's some pretty wild censorship going on w/ some of the largest social media sites. Facebook's on there, several of the largest news subreddits are ctrl+f or automod banning people for talking about the RR protests. There's a clear and coordinated effort to mess up organization and change the narrative.

There also seems to be a russiabot campaign to spread the false idea that the protests have been delayed or cancelled.

Yeah, this is super fucked up. It is amazing seeing this much silence and how blatant the censorship is. I'm really worried.

Not to be rude, but the only time I ever heard about these protests was you or someone else posting here about them. Did they even happen? Was there even a thousand protesters?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20287 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-08 23:53:47
November 08 2018 23:34 GMT
#18355
On November 09 2018 08:32 Saryph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 08:00 Mohdoo wrote:
On November 09 2018 07:48 Cyro wrote:
There's some pretty wild censorship going on w/ some of the largest social media sites. Facebook's on there, several of the largest news subreddits are ctrl+f or automod banning people for talking about the RR protests. There's a clear and coordinated effort to mess up organization and change the narrative.

There also seems to be a russiabot campaign to spread the false idea that the protests have been delayed or cancelled.

Yeah, this is super fucked up. It is amazing seeing this much silence and how blatant the censorship is. I'm really worried.

Not to be rude, but the only time I ever heard about these protests was you or someone else posting here about them. Did they even happen? Was there even a thousand protesters?


They're been planned for a long time now, probably more than a year.

They're starting now. The start time was called for tonight, that's why it's news.

Some singular events (of which there are many hundreds split across every state; most of the bigger cities) are hitting hundreds to thousands of protesters per but overall turnout isn't very clear at the moment with the scale of the censorship and minimal coverage of the initial event from mainstream media.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
November 08 2018 23:44 GMT
#18356
On November 09 2018 07:48 Cyro wrote:
There's some pretty wild censorship going on w/ some of the largest social media sites. Facebook's on there, several of the largest news subreddits are ctrl+f or automod banning people for talking about the RR protests. There's a clear and coordinated effort to mess up organization and change the narrative.

There also seems to be a russiabot campaign to spread the false idea that the protests have been delayed or cancelled.

What's RR protests? Google has given me nothing.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20287 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-08 23:50:16
November 08 2018 23:46 GMT
#18357
On November 09 2018 08:44 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 07:48 Cyro wrote:
There's some pretty wild censorship going on w/ some of the largest social media sites. Facebook's on there, several of the largest news subreddits are ctrl+f or automod banning people for talking about the RR protests. There's a clear and coordinated effort to mess up organization and change the narrative.

There also seems to be a russiabot campaign to spread the false idea that the protests have been delayed or cancelled.

What's RR protests? Google has given me nothing.


Rapid response

https://act.moveon.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response/

Pics from a webcam over times square, it'd probably get busier at that time anyway but you can see a lot of people holding signs etc for the event beginning at 5pm.

[image loading]
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-08 23:59:11
November 08 2018 23:56 GMT
#18358
On November 09 2018 08:46 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 08:44 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On November 09 2018 07:48 Cyro wrote:
There's some pretty wild censorship going on w/ some of the largest social media sites. Facebook's on there, several of the largest news subreddits are ctrl+f or automod banning people for talking about the RR protests. There's a clear and coordinated effort to mess up organization and change the narrative.

There also seems to be a russiabot campaign to spread the false idea that the protests have been delayed or cancelled.

What's RR protests? Google has given me nothing.


Rapid response

https://act.moveon.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response/

Pics from a webcam over times square, it'd probably get busier at that time anyway but you can see a lot of people holding signs etc for the event beginning at 5pm.

[image loading]


Is it over now? I clicked on that same camera and the crowd is gone?
edit: ah i see, there's one scheduled in my town for the weekend.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20287 Posts
November 08 2018 23:59 GMT
#18359
Really lacking info here. I don't know where to get it with the mass censorship on social media and no coverage from the usual news outlets.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
November 09 2018 00:01 GMT
#18360
Do you really believe there is mass censorship across social media concerning this? Why? What do they gain by covering up news that would increase traffic on their sites?
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