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plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
November 08 2018 19:50 GMT
#18321
On November 09 2018 04:25 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 03:44 TheTenthDoc wrote:
In particular, right before the election Trump tweeted a bizarre campaign ad that linked the lawful asylum seekers with an illegal immigrant murderer in the United States, saying the Democrats would make more of this happen. This ad got pulled from multiple networks (I think even Fox might have stopped running it? not sure).


Yes Fox declined to run it.

It's still baffling to me that Trump managed to make something so bad that not even Fox would air it
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 08 2018 19:58 GMT
#18322
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
November 08 2018 20:00 GMT
#18323
Florida Governor's race is now under a 0.5% margin, looks like a recount. Senator and AG race were already in recount territory too.

Florida and recounts, name a more iconic duo.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 08 2018 20:05 GMT
#18324
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
November 08 2018 20:09 GMT
#18325
Maybe Florida should just hold a re-election considering they re-enfranchised more than a million people on Tuesday.
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
November 08 2018 20:16 GMT
#18326
On November 09 2018 05:09 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Maybe Florida should just hold a re-election considering they re-enfranchised more than a million people on Tuesday.


Sadly I don't think laws get applied retroactively
Something witty
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-08 20:25:47
November 08 2018 20:25 GMT
#18327
That's why you'd need a re-election-as long as the votes were cast after November 6th the law is sovereign.

Obviously it'll never happen, I just find it so odd that there was no will/mechanism to vote on something like that before November 6th so that they could actually have a voice in their representation for the next at least 2 years. Who am I kidding, the GOP would be more likely to lose, of course there was no will or mechanism to do it.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15737 Posts
November 08 2018 20:31 GMT
#18328
This whole Acosta thing is the most obvious distraction from Mueller ever. I am so sad seeing how much attention this is getting.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
November 08 2018 20:37 GMT
#18329
Thats some pretty heavy mental gymnastics there. The change of the result of a vote should apply in the vote that decided if the change should happen or not, but that it doesn't is the result of one party not wanting the results of a vote applying to said vote and the other party wanting the vote to influence the vote.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 08 2018 20:42 GMT
#18330
On November 09 2018 05:37 Sermokala wrote:
Thats some pretty heavy mental gymnastics there. The change of the result of a vote should apply in the vote that decided if the change should happen or not, but that it doesn't is the result of one party not wanting the results of a vote applying to said vote and the other party wanting the vote to influence the vote.

If it is a runoff election, they people with the restored voting rights to should get to vote if they can register by the runoff election date. The vote to restore their rights for all future elections passed and the runoff would be a future election. But I do not believe Florida does runoff elections, so the point is moot.

It takes the mental gymnastics to think otherwise, IMO.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
November 08 2018 20:50 GMT
#18331
On November 09 2018 05:42 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 05:37 Sermokala wrote:
Thats some pretty heavy mental gymnastics there. The change of the result of a vote should apply in the vote that decided if the change should happen or not, but that it doesn't is the result of one party not wanting the results of a vote applying to said vote and the other party wanting the vote to influence the vote.

If it is a runoff election, they people with the restored voting rights to should get to vote if they can register by the runoff election date. The vote to restore their rights for all future elections passed and the runoff would be a future election. But I do not believe Florida does runoff elections, so the point is moot.

It takes the mental gymnastics to think otherwise, IMO.

But we're not talking about the runoff election we're talking about a recount and a re-election.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 08 2018 20:56 GMT
#18332
On November 09 2018 05:50 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 05:42 Plansix wrote:
On November 09 2018 05:37 Sermokala wrote:
Thats some pretty heavy mental gymnastics there. The change of the result of a vote should apply in the vote that decided if the change should happen or not, but that it doesn't is the result of one party not wanting the results of a vote applying to said vote and the other party wanting the vote to influence the vote.

If it is a runoff election, they people with the restored voting rights to should get to vote if they can register by the runoff election date. The vote to restore their rights for all future elections passed and the runoff would be a future election. But I do not believe Florida does runoff elections, so the point is moot.

It takes the mental gymnastics to think otherwise, IMO.

But we're not talking about the runoff election we're talking about a recount and a re-election.

TheTenthDoc was talking about holding a new election with the 1.4 million voters. That is what he said. I don’t think he was beings super serious either.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
November 08 2018 20:59 GMT
#18333
On November 09 2018 05:56 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 05:50 Sermokala wrote:
On November 09 2018 05:42 Plansix wrote:
On November 09 2018 05:37 Sermokala wrote:
Thats some pretty heavy mental gymnastics there. The change of the result of a vote should apply in the vote that decided if the change should happen or not, but that it doesn't is the result of one party not wanting the results of a vote applying to said vote and the other party wanting the vote to influence the vote.

If it is a runoff election, they people with the restored voting rights to should get to vote if they can register by the runoff election date. The vote to restore their rights for all future elections passed and the runoff would be a future election. But I do not believe Florida does runoff elections, so the point is moot.

It takes the mental gymnastics to think otherwise, IMO.

But we're not talking about the runoff election we're talking about a recount and a re-election.

TheTenthDoc was talking about holding a new election with the 1.4 million voters. That is what he said. I don’t think he was beings super serious either.

He said that it wouldn't happen because it wouldn't benefit the Republicans. I can't judge if he's serious or not but I can riff on what he posts.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
November 08 2018 21:00 GMT
#18334
On November 09 2018 05:25 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Obviously it'll never happen, I just find it so odd that there was no will/mechanism to vote on something like that before November 6th so that they could actually have a voice in their representation for the next at least 2 years. Who am I kidding, the GOP would be more likely to lose, of course there was no will or mechanism to do it.


To be fair felon disenfranchisement isn't just a GOP thing (though in Florida's case it seems almost certainly targeted and ex-felons is a particularly heinous restriction). Outside of Vermont and Maine every state unfairly restricts the voting rights of people caught up in the US justice system and that includes states that have been Dem controlled for a long time.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 08 2018 21:05 GMT
#18335
On November 09 2018 05:59 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 05:56 Plansix wrote:
On November 09 2018 05:50 Sermokala wrote:
On November 09 2018 05:42 Plansix wrote:
On November 09 2018 05:37 Sermokala wrote:
Thats some pretty heavy mental gymnastics there. The change of the result of a vote should apply in the vote that decided if the change should happen or not, but that it doesn't is the result of one party not wanting the results of a vote applying to said vote and the other party wanting the vote to influence the vote.

If it is a runoff election, they people with the restored voting rights to should get to vote if they can register by the runoff election date. The vote to restore their rights for all future elections passed and the runoff would be a future election. But I do not believe Florida does runoff elections, so the point is moot.

It takes the mental gymnastics to think otherwise, IMO.

But we're not talking about the runoff election we're talking about a recount and a re-election.

TheTenthDoc was talking about holding a new election with the 1.4 million voters. That is what he said. I don’t think he was beings super serious either.

He said that it wouldn't happen because it wouldn't benefit the Republicans. I can't judge if he's serious or not but I can riff on what he posts.

In the hypothetical world of a runoff election, I feel confident is saying that DeSantis would file some sort of lawsuit to prevent the newly enfranchised voters from participating. Because that is the type of campaign he ran.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
November 08 2018 21:15 GMT
#18336
On November 09 2018 06:05 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 05:59 Sermokala wrote:
On November 09 2018 05:56 Plansix wrote:
On November 09 2018 05:50 Sermokala wrote:
On November 09 2018 05:42 Plansix wrote:
On November 09 2018 05:37 Sermokala wrote:
Thats some pretty heavy mental gymnastics there. The change of the result of a vote should apply in the vote that decided if the change should happen or not, but that it doesn't is the result of one party not wanting the results of a vote applying to said vote and the other party wanting the vote to influence the vote.

If it is a runoff election, they people with the restored voting rights to should get to vote if they can register by the runoff election date. The vote to restore their rights for all future elections passed and the runoff would be a future election. But I do not believe Florida does runoff elections, so the point is moot.

It takes the mental gymnastics to think otherwise, IMO.

But we're not talking about the runoff election we're talking about a recount and a re-election.

TheTenthDoc was talking about holding a new election with the 1.4 million voters. That is what he said. I don’t think he was beings super serious either.

He said that it wouldn't happen because it wouldn't benefit the Republicans. I can't judge if he's serious or not but I can riff on what he posts.

In the hypothetical world of a runoff election, I feel confident is saying that DeSantis would file some sort of lawsuit to prevent the newly enfranchised voters from participating. Because that is the type of campaign he ran.

In the same hypothetical world, I would see merit in that lawsuit depending on how soon the runoff would be and the difficulties of trolling the records for whos now eligible and whos still not eligible. The last thing you'd need in a runnoff election is doubt on the people's ability to vote.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 08 2018 21:26 GMT
#18337
On November 09 2018 06:15 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 06:05 Plansix wrote:
On November 09 2018 05:59 Sermokala wrote:
On November 09 2018 05:56 Plansix wrote:
On November 09 2018 05:50 Sermokala wrote:
On November 09 2018 05:42 Plansix wrote:
On November 09 2018 05:37 Sermokala wrote:
Thats some pretty heavy mental gymnastics there. The change of the result of a vote should apply in the vote that decided if the change should happen or not, but that it doesn't is the result of one party not wanting the results of a vote applying to said vote and the other party wanting the vote to influence the vote.

If it is a runoff election, they people with the restored voting rights to should get to vote if they can register by the runoff election date. The vote to restore their rights for all future elections passed and the runoff would be a future election. But I do not believe Florida does runoff elections, so the point is moot.

It takes the mental gymnastics to think otherwise, IMO.

But we're not talking about the runoff election we're talking about a recount and a re-election.

TheTenthDoc was talking about holding a new election with the 1.4 million voters. That is what he said. I don’t think he was beings super serious either.

He said that it wouldn't happen because it wouldn't benefit the Republicans. I can't judge if he's serious or not but I can riff on what he posts.

In the hypothetical world of a runoff election, I feel confident is saying that DeSantis would file some sort of lawsuit to prevent the newly enfranchised voters from participating. Because that is the type of campaign he ran.

In the same hypothetical world, I would see merit in that lawsuit depending on how soon the runoff would be and the difficulties of trolling the records for whos now eligible and whos still not eligible. The last thing you'd need in a runnoff election is doubt on the people's ability to vote.

It isn't a challenging problem to solve Provisional ballots exist for a reason and Florida already has a system set up for people who move within the state right before the election.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4383 Posts
November 08 2018 21:51 GMT
#18338
Ginsberg broke several ribs after collapsing in court.Maybe time for her to retire?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22096 Posts
November 08 2018 21:52 GMT
#18339
On November 09 2018 06:51 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Ginsberg broke several ribs after collapsing in court.Maybe time for her to retire?
There is no way she voluntarily retires for another 2 years.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-08 22:02:43
November 08 2018 21:55 GMT
#18340
On November 09 2018 05:31 Mohdoo wrote:
This whole Acosta thing is the most obvious distraction from Mueller ever. I am so sad seeing how much attention this is getting.

I'd agree if they didn't release doctored footage. With that release this is definitely a major issue and it's pathetic there isn't nonpartisan, unified push back.


On November 09 2018 06:51 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Ginsberg broke several ribs after collapsing in court.Maybe time for her to retire?


Are you purposefully disingenuous or just copy pasting spin for unreliable sources? She didn't 'collapse in court', she fell in her office some time in the evening hours then went home. She then went to the hospital the next morning. I'd normally shrug off your comment as semantics but given your history I doubt it was a mistake.
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