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On September 29 2018 06:34 plasmidghost wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2018 06:31 Gorsameth wrote:On September 29 2018 05:55 Mohdoo wrote:
I predict Kavanaugh withdraws once the FBI investigation becomes official. Between Avenatti and his friend being willing to testify, I think it quickly becomes lights out.
Does anyone around here think Kavanaugh will push through the investigation? Hes been darting around perjury already. By all appearances to me he is all in. He will hope the investigation is 'inconclusive' and that the GOP pushes him through. Even if the investigation shows up as inconclusive, will Murkowski and Collins vote for him? Given the climate, it seems like anything less than complete proof of innocence could come back to haunt them
It is near certainty that the investigation will be inconclusive with regards to the events of that night as Doodsmack and others have said. To me, the real question is if they find that any of the statements made by either Ford or Kavanaugh are contradicted by other facts/statements. Basically, did either lie. I've said it before, but I'll be shocked (and unsatisfied with the final report) if they dont talk to the yearbook committee to confirm or deny the, frankly outlandish, claims Kavanaugh made about it. I am comforted by some of the stories we are seeing that the FBI will be able to develop this investigation naturally and without being told what to do by the Senate/White House.
If they do not find that Kavanaugh lied, then I think it's a near certainty that all 4 "swing" votes will vote yes. We, like the Dems, clamored for an investigation. We got one. While I still think the 1 week thing is arbitrary and I have concerns the investigation won't spread as far or go as deep as it should, beggars cant be choosers. I'm glad we even got to this step. If the investigation results are consistent with Kavanaugh's story, then Ford's testimony is not enough to keep him off the court imo.
Having said that, the other accusers (particularly Swetnick) are the wildcard. We'll have to see how they develop but I think her story only gains traction if her and Avenatti go public with strong corroborating evidence of some sort. Without that they will continue to be ignored I think.
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On September 29 2018 07:29 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
FBI to investigate a he says she says from 36 years ago where every witness named by Ford has said they have no idea what she’s talking about, one never even met Kavanaugh.Can’t remember the house, can’t remember who drove her home and no police report.
Doubt such an investigation would need even one week, one day should suffice.
Nice Republican talking points that mean nothing. You realize the FBI could find all this shit out pretty easily right? I mean, they're the FBI. And when they interview Judge/his GF, Kavanaugh's goose is cooked.
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This Kavanaugh fight is probably playing better politically for the Republicans, if I were them I might not even mind it other than the effect on kavanaugh himself. It's really making Republicans angry. That translates into turnout in November. The optics of having 11th hour accusers flanked by Democratic political operatives just isn't good.
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On September 29 2018 10:13 Doodsmack wrote:
This Kavanaugh fight is probably playing better politically for the Republicans, if I were them I might not even mind it other than the effect on kavanaugh himself. It's really making Republicans angry. That translates into turnout in November. The optics of having 11th hour accusers flanked by Democratic political operatives just isn't good.
The optics of the Republicans doing their utmost to shut down sexual assault allegations in 2018 don't seem any less motivating for many Democrats.
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On September 29 2018 10:13 Doodsmack wrote:
This Kavanaugh fight is probably playing better politically for the Republicans, if I were them I might not even mind it other than the effect on kavanaugh himself. It's really making Republicans angry. That translates into turnout in November. The optics of having 11th hour accusers flanked by Democratic political operatives just isn't good.
I don’t know. The resistance to any significant investigation seems to have really made a lot of voters(women) angry, from all the reporting I am listening to. The last minute nature of the accusers does seem to bother some people, but they seem to understand that the accusers were scared. And these are folks just tuning in now, not ones that followed the confirmation process up to this point. It’s not 2016 where people just assumed the outcome.
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On September 29 2018 10:13 Doodsmack wrote:
This Kavanaugh fight is probably playing better politically for the Republicans, if I were them I might not even mind it other than the effect on kavanaugh himself. It's really making Republicans angry. That translates into turnout in November. The optics of having 11th hour accusers flanked by Democratic political operatives just isn't good.
Idk... speaking as a Canadian, regardless of the outcome of the actual investigation... the hearing itself allowed Kavanaugh to come off as a spoiled entitled ass without empathy or accountability. He seemed quick to anger, rude, and kind of icy and devoid of any emotion but outrade. He brought up a partisan conspiracy theory...
I don't exactly what yall look for in Supreme Court Justice's... but personally, I'd be looking for the exact opposite of that.
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On September 29 2018 05:46 Ben... wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2018 05:34 Plansix wrote:On September 29 2018 05:26 farvacola wrote:
The possibility that Kav gets shelved after his possum grimace dance in front of the entire country delights me to no end. The memes have been staggeringly good. I want him to be a joke so we can use them forever. If you haven't seen this one, it's gold: twitter linkI was watching the hearing live when Flake did his thing. My jaw dropped. I was fully expected the nomination to get rammed through at this point and was pretty shocked. Also, now that the Judiciary Committee has requested the investigation, we now know that McConnell doesn't have the votes if there isn't an investigation.
I dunno, this one is my favorite. + Show Spoiler +
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yeah, while frustration, anger, whatever is a totally understandable reaction to such allegations (whether or not they have merit), the way kavanaugh comported himself shows that he's not fit to be on scotus.
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On September 29 2018 05:59 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2018 05:55 Mohdoo wrote:
I predict Kavanaugh withdraws once the FBI investigation becomes official. Between Avenatti and his friend being willing to testify, I think it quickly becomes lights out.
Does anyone around here think Kavanaugh will push through the investigation? Here is the thing about Judge, Judge has three words that can help him and those are "I don't recall" and he will likely say almost exclusively that to any questions asked
Fortunately he wrote a book about L. Simpson, no wait that’s too obvious, Lisa S.
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I'm seeing rumblings online that women other than Ford (maybe Ramirez/Swetnick, maybe someone else) have reported to the FBI about some misconduct from Kavanaugh. The FBI has scheduled an interview with one as soon as tonight! LA Times reporting that the investigation will go beyond just Ford as a result of these new claims. Them getting leads beyond Ford and investigating those would be a big deal.
If this is true then it will be easy for Swetnick to force the FBI to look into her story by filing a report.
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Original article:
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-congress-kavanaugh-vote-20180928-story.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true
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Letter from Montgomery chief of police to Democratic caucus chair.
In 1982 Assault & attempted rape were both misdemeanours and subject to a one year statute of limitations.
Nothing about it in the MSM i see.... Keep pushing that cart.
Can't wait till Kavanaugh gets confirmed, it's just getting more ridiculous.
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On September 29 2018 13:29 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Letter from Montgomery chief of police to Democratic caucus chair. In 1982 Assault & attempted rape were both misdemeanours and subject to a one year statute of limitations. Nothing about it in the MSM i see.... Keep pushing that cart. Can't wait till Kavanaugh gets confirmed, it's just getting more ridiculous.
Good thing the Dems aren't asking for him to be indicted, otherwise this might matter.
Also, with how fast things are moving I'd hold off on assuming there are no more recent examples. Let's see what happens regarding any other accusations this week.
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@2 posts up: Are you okay with a SCOTUS nominee being confirmed if they were guilty of assault and attempted rape in the 80s? If not, then I don’t get the point of your post. I don’t think anyone influential is focused on convicting him at this point... just keeping someone unfit off the bench.
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Oh yeah I forgot to mention... lying under oath about a past incident IS a crime. So yeah, lets pump the brakes nettles.
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On September 29 2018 13:34 micronesia wrote:
@2 posts up: Are you okay with a SCOTUS nominee being confirmed if they were guilty of assault and attempted rape in the 80s? If not, then I don’t get the point of your post. I don’t think anyone influential is focused on convicting him at this point... just keeping someone unfit off the bench.
No, i just disapprove of witch hunts like this one.
The democrat goal is to delay the nomination until the midterms, when they are hoping to win control of the senate so they can block any further SC nominations.Everyone here gets that yes?
All i can say is if Kavanaugh is found innocent i hope Ford is jailed for wrongful rape accusations.
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On September 29 2018 13:38 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2018 13:34 micronesia wrote:
@2 posts up: Are you okay with a SCOTUS nominee being confirmed if they were guilty of assault and attempted rape in the 80s? If not, then I don’t get the point of your post. I don’t think anyone influential is focused on convicting him at this point... just keeping someone unfit off the bench. No, i just disapprove of witch hunts like this one. The democrat goal is to delay the nomination until the midterms, when they are hoping to win control of the senate so they can block any further SC nominations.Everyone here gets that yes? All i can say is if Kavanaugh is found innocent i hope Ford is jailed for wrongful rape accusations.
So... it's a witch hunt, but there's a one year statute of limitations so who cares if she did it... but I hope she also gets jailed for false allegations...
You honestly sound like you couldn't care less if he actually pushed her down and assaulted her.
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On September 29 2018 13:42 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2018 13:38 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On September 29 2018 13:34 micronesia wrote:
@2 posts up: Are you okay with a SCOTUS nominee being confirmed if they were guilty of assault and attempted rape in the 80s? If not, then I don’t get the point of your post. I don’t think anyone influential is focused on convicting him at this point... just keeping someone unfit off the bench. No, i just disapprove of witch hunts like this one. The democrat goal is to delay the nomination until the midterms, when they are hoping to win control of the senate so they can block any further SC nominations.Everyone here gets that yes? All i can say is if Kavanaugh is found innocent i hope Ford is jailed for wrongful rape accusations. So... it's a witch hunt, but there's a one year statute of limitations so who cares if she did it... but I hope she also gets jailed for false allegations...
Sure, i mean she's ruined his life.True or false it will stick for life.
Example? Clarence Thomas, Anita Hill allegations in 1991.FBI investigation found nothing.
High profile liberals on twitter still calling for Thomas to resign just last week.
How is anyone still arguing that this is about women/ the "victim" when it's clearly partisan politics.
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On September 29 2018 13:45 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2018 13:42 NewSunshine wrote:On September 29 2018 13:38 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On September 29 2018 13:34 micronesia wrote:
@2 posts up: Are you okay with a SCOTUS nominee being confirmed if they were guilty of assault and attempted rape in the 80s? If not, then I don’t get the point of your post. I don’t think anyone influential is focused on convicting him at this point... just keeping someone unfit off the bench. No, i just disapprove of witch hunts like this one. The democrat goal is to delay the nomination until the midterms, when they are hoping to win control of the senate so they can block any further SC nominations.Everyone here gets that yes? All i can say is if Kavanaugh is found innocent i hope Ford is jailed for wrongful rape accusations. So... it's a witch hunt, but there's a one year statute of limitations so who cares if she did it... but I hope she also gets jailed for false allegations... Sure, i mean she's ruined his life.True or false it will stick for life. Example? Clarence Thomas, Anita Hill allegations in 1991.FBI investigation found nothing. High profile liberals on twitter still calling for Thomas to resign just last week. How is anyone still arguing that this is about women/ the "victim" when it's clearly partisan politics. https://twitter.com/miafarrow/status/1043898061574074368
Okay. Thanks for clearing that up.
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I still don’t see any connection between the statute of limitations for alleged assault by Kavanaugh in the 80s and an underhanded, unpatriotic Democratic conspiracy to block conservative SCOTUS nominees. The only explanation is to not care much about assaults in the 80s.
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I'm sure Clarence Thomas' feelings are really hurt by tweets asking him to resign with no compulsion while holding one of the (right now 8) most powerful judicial positions in the United States for over two decades now. What a ruined life!
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