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farvacola
United States18857 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On September 06 2018 05:40 Gorsameth wrote: While someone like Kelly might be involved I would bet he isnt the one in the piece. The top isn't going to risk exposing themselves like that and won't be happy that this is now in the open. It will likely be some low level staffer that felt the need to come forward. NYT knows who it is, they're a bigwig (unless you mean low level staffer in the "coffee boy" sense) who has access to Cabinet-level meetings. It might not be a Cabinet level official, but whoever they are they do matter. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 06 2018 05:42 Mohdoo wrote: I think this was a really bad idea by whoever wrote and submitted this. This jeopardizes the work they are doing by drawing attention to the fact that a wide range of people in Trump's administration are actively trying to undermine his agenda. This is flat out admitting that people are constantly working against Trump. This is a very embarrassing thing for Trump. I would not be surprised by a reactionary purge of his staff after this. This is just reckless, if it is true. Which I am assuming it is. We are stealing children from their parents and putting them on display in cages at the border to scare people out of seeking asylum from violence in our country. We are currently mulling the idea of stripping US born citizens of their citizenship based on zero evidence. This does not get better, it gets worse. No one writes this unless they believe it is going to get a lot worse if someone doesn't do something. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22345 Posts
On September 06 2018 05:49 ticklishmusic wrote: I mean someone's secretary or aid.NYT knows who it is, they're a bigwig (unless you mean low level staffer in the "coffee boy" sense) who has access to Cabinet-level meetings. It might not be a Cabinet level official, but whoever they are they do matter. I don't expect senior cabinet members to write a piece like this to the NYT while they are still very busy doing their hidden thing. low level might not have been the right word. | ||
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Mercy13
United States718 Posts
On September 06 2018 05:52 Plansix wrote: We are stealing children from their parents and putting them on display in cages at the border to scare people out of seeking asylum from violence in our country. We are currently mulling the idea of stripping US born citizens of their citizenship based on zero evidence. This does not get better, it gets worse. No one writes this unless they believe it is going to get a lot worse if someone doesn't do something. Whoever wrote that seems on board with standard conservative policy positions, which these days include stealing children. They just wish Trump would stop complicating their plans to hand America over to their corporate overlords by acting like a toddler. Edit: On September 06 2018 05:54 JimmiC wrote: Maybe it is just my general skepticism, but I feel like it is someone who wants to be famous. When this is over they can come forward as a hero to many(and villain to others) write a book, make interview tour and so on. If they were truly altruistic in their intent I don't think you send this essay to the NYT. Exactly. My money is on Mnuchin. Kelley and Mattis respect the chain of command too much to do something like this, but a dirt bag former hedge fund manager might not. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12454 Posts
Opinion: I am trying to distanciate myself from a sinking administration I've been enabling for two years. Please don't hate me after the collapse. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
It could well be someone looking to cover themselves and still have a political career when/if this collapses. whoever they are clearly doesn't actually care all that much about america, since they're still favoring terrible policies; thus they're just looking at their own politics, and trying to shill the current party line/orthodoxy while planting a seed so they can distance themselves ni the future. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On September 06 2018 05:42 Mohdoo wrote: I think this was a really bad idea by whoever wrote and submitted this. This jeopardizes the work they are doing by drawing attention to the fact that a wide range of people in Trump's administration are actively trying to undermine his agenda. This is flat out admitting that people are constantly working against Trump. This is a very embarrassing thing for Trump. I would not be surprised by a reactionary purge of his staff after this. This is just reckless, if it is true. Which I am assuming it is. It seems to me like a good play from the Republican party's point of view.This will be used as munition by republicans who want to separate themselves from Trump-related fallout "we're of the same party but we disagree with him, much like his officials". It also might convince some people to vote for Trump under the rationale of "he represents my beliefs more than the opposition AND I can trust his staff to curb his impulses". For Trump, of course, this is embarassing as fuck. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
But hey, I will take what I can get from misguided idiots who think this is patriotism. | ||
Womwomwom
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Like I keep saying, the majority of these leaks are from the Whitehouse itself and not from Mueller or secret Dem operatives. If conservatives want to keep moaning about leaks, maybe Trump can stop being a shitty boss and pissing off his staff. Every shitty administration, no matter the country, suffers from leaks after leaks at around this time because no one likes working there and the honeymoon is well over. You can’t tell me Donald “I don’t pay my contractors or debts” Trump would ever be a good boss to work with. It doesn’t matter if you agree with his policy positions, no one likes working with assholes. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On September 06 2018 06:15 Plansix wrote: The entire thing reads as self serving and trying to claim some sort of safety in the middle ground, while also being excited about a huge tax cut for rich people and appointing someone to the Supreme Court that would undermine the federal government’s ability to regulate anything by overturning the Chevron deference. But hey, I will take what I can get from misguided idiots who think this is patriotism. Yes, I got the same impression while reading it. Certainly patting themselves on the back with a wee bit of excess. Overall I think this piece is a net negative. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
This entire administration is filled with the most toothless, spineless cowards. At least Steve Miller will sign his name to his racist bullshit. He owns being a true garbage human. Edit: Trump's response is that the NYT should apologize to him and then go out of business in the next 6 and 1/2 years when he finally leaves the White House. Also the NYT is phony and whoever wrote the op-ed should resign. I may not those in the right order. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10882 Posts
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Plansix
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Wulfey_LA
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EDIT: next time there is a 'but Trump isn't fascist and neither am I' debate I am going to bring this one up. Is this Chavez? Putin? Saddam? Quadaffi? Any of the Kim Jong dynasty? Stalin? Nah, just the President of the United Stated. DJT now regards criticism of him as against national security and the full force of the government should be employed against critics. Does the so-called “Senior Administration Official” really exist, or is it just the Failing New York Times with another phony source? If the GUTLESS anonymous person does indeed exist, the Times must, for National Security purposes, turn him/her over to government at once! + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On September 06 2018 08:53 Wulfey_LA wrote: No way Pence blows his multi decade path to power by putting even a word of that op-ed down. It was one of his speechwriters who wrote it without ever getting an affirmative instruction from Pence. Does Pence actually endorse it? 100%. Did Pence take even a single action to endorse its creation? No. EDIT: next time there is a 'but Trump isn't fascist and neither am I' debate I am going to bring this one up. Is this Chavez? Putin? Saddam? Quadaffi? Any of the Kim Jong dynasty? Stalin? Nah, just the President of the United Stated. DJT now regards criticism of him as against national security and the full force of the government should be employed against critics. + Show Spoiler + Pretty inclined to think that the nyt article is accurate from the reaction. It tries pretty hard to paint a picture of two people, one working for America, and trump against, despite the fact that the president doesn't work alone. I guess after they ram the judge through they'll turn against trump | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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