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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-06 01:37:42
September 06 2018 01:23 GMT
#13481
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Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
September 06 2018 01:37 GMT
#13482
Everyone from this administration that ends up quoted about Trump all say the same thing. Whether it's Cohn, Dowd, Bannon, Kelly, Tillerson, McMaster, perhaps even Mattis, they all see him as a crazy idiot. And these are his closest allies. Where are the people coming out of this administration for Trump like there was for Bush, saying that he's actually more intelligent than people give him credit for. The only people who think he's playing 4d chess are the memers who play out elaborate ruses to try to make sense of his irrational behavior.
I imagine these stories get a lot of traction when they come out because for a lot of people it makes them feel vindicated, like a 4 year long "I told you so"
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
September 06 2018 01:44 GMT
#13483
So it seems like another one bites the dust, this time Duncan Hunter, a Republican from California misused over $250,000 campaign money for five affairs on trips, and other crap. I wonder how many politicians are shitting their pants, I haven't heard much of Devin Nunes since his little "outbreak" on trying to sway the investigation... I feel like that guy is definitely part of dirty money.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/duncan-hunter-affairs-charged_us_5b902451e4b0162f472961b7

Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) allegedly spent campaign cash on affairs with five separate individuals, according to prosecutors who reportedly claim to have photographic evidence.

Hunter and his wife, Margaret, were indicted last month on 60 charges related to the alleged misuse of $250,000 in campaign funds for personal expenses such as lavish vacations and dinners. The couple has pleaded not guilty.

The San Diego Union-Tribune is now reporting that the 47-page charging document alleges that the congressman had “personal relationships” with at least five individuals, none of whom are identified.

Hunter’s lawyer, Gregory Vega, objected to that part of the investigation in an August letter to the Justice Department, the paper reported.

Vega argued that prosecutors are pursuing criminal charges for conduct that falls into gray areas of civil election law.

“This is true even for personal indiscretions of the congressman that the prosecutors seem intent on charging,” Vega wrote. “The supposed reason given for including these details is that they reflect spending of campaign funds for extramarital infidelities and excessive drinking.”

Vega claimed that the prosecutors told him they had photos of Hunter’s alleged affairs. Even so, he said, the indiscretions didn’t rise to the level of a crime.

“While there may be evidence of infidelity, irresponsibility or alcohol dependence, once properly understood, the underlying facts do not equate to criminal activity,” Vega wrote.
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iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
September 06 2018 08:33 GMT
#13484
On September 06 2018 10:37 Tachion wrote:
Everyone from this administration that ends up quoted about Trump all say the same thing. Whether it's Cohn, Dowd, Bannon, Kelly, Tillerson, McMaster, perhaps even Mattis, they all see him as a crazy idiot. And these are his closest allies. Where are the people coming out of this administration for Trump like there was for Bush, saying that he's actually more intelligent than people give him credit for. The only people who think he's playing 4d chess are the memers who play out elaborate ruses to try to make sense of his irrational behavior.
I imagine these stories get a lot of traction when they come out because for a lot of people it makes them feel vindicated, like a 4 year long "I told you so"


I won't lie, I do a lot of that with Brexiteers. I had a hearty laugh when the news article came out about Cornwall suffering now it's not getting those massive EU subsidies it voted to go without, and an even heartier laugh when someone did an Op-Ed complaining about people like me saying 'I told you so'. If I don't get to be happy about securing my country's future, I'm sure as hell going to be happy that the people who sold it are suffering for their extraordinarily shortsighted decision.

As to the news; it's most likely someone trying to set themselves up a parachute for when they leave/are kicked out, as other posters have suggested. A lot of people are going to make money doing tell-alls about the insanity of this administration. Even I'll buy one eventually.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
September 06 2018 09:12 GMT
#13485
On September 06 2018 10:37 Tachion wrote:
Everyone from this administration that ends up quoted about Trump all say the same thing. Whether it's Cohn, Dowd, Bannon, Kelly, Tillerson, McMaster, perhaps even Mattis, they all see him as a crazy idiot. And these are his closest allies. Where are the people coming out of this administration for Trump like there was for Bush, saying that he's actually more intelligent than people give him credit for. The only people who think he's playing 4d chess are the memers who play out elaborate ruses to try to make sense of his irrational behavior.
I imagine these stories get a lot of traction when they come out because for a lot of people it makes them feel vindicated, like a 4 year long "I told you so"

The op-ed was more along those lines: Trump is bad, but don't worry, the grown-ups are in charge and are capable of controlling him.

And while it's nice to have military advisers surrounding Trump that can prevent him from arbitrarily invading Venezuala or North Korea, it's awfully close to a military junta isn't it? And they haven't exactly done anything to prevent the evil immigration policies, the disastrous handling of the hurricane aftermath in Puerto Rico, the corporate give-aways and so on.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-06 11:01:40
September 06 2018 10:20 GMT
#13486
If the story is true, then it sounds like the Republicans are planning (it can only be Republicans as they are the only ones with access to cabinet) to distance themselves from Trump, and are planning to get rid of Trump. Otherwise they wouldn't have released such a story. The question is, after hiding the documents of policies they don't want to enact, what policies are they planning to enact before deposing him? A tax break for the super rich only? A immigration policy of deternment camps? A lack of environmental protections?
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10165 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-06 11:37:52
September 06 2018 11:35 GMT
#13487
It sounds more like a message to moderate conservatives that despite Trump's shortcomings, they have people pushing for what they want so it doesn't matter if they vote for Trump because their interests are covered.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 06 2018 13:18 GMT
#13488
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
September 06 2018 13:21 GMT
#13489
Where's Nikki Haley on that list? I also think it'll be a letdown once it's revealed that the author is relatively unknown.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 06 2018 13:25 GMT
#13490
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iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-06 13:34:34
September 06 2018 13:33 GMT
#13491
On September 06 2018 22:25 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2018 22:21 farvacola wrote:
Where's Nikki Haley on that list? I also think it'll be a letdown once it's revealed that the author is relatively unknown.

I completely agree, I think it is someones assistant or something. It would be really funny if it was the Trump daughter that you never hear about. And she is pissed about it and decided to bring pops down.


I will become a believer in the Trump 4D chess meme if it turns out the writer is Trump.

That'd be the ultimate news spectacle event.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-06 14:08:04
September 06 2018 14:07 GMT
#13492
Booker just threatened to release currently withheld documents, even if it meant getting kicked out of the Senate. Causing all sorts of chaos now.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18446 Posts
September 06 2018 14:13 GMT
#13493
On September 06 2018 23:07 ticklishmusic wrote:
Booker just threatened to release currently withheld documents, even if it meant getting kicked out of the Senate. Causing all sorts of chaos now.

How do you get kicked out of the senate? There's a procedure for that? What happens if in the (presumably) subsequent election, he is reinstated?
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 06 2018 14:13 GMT
#13494
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Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
September 06 2018 14:13 GMT
#13495
So the NY Times has been leaked some of the documents that have been blocked from the public having access to them, and they include Kavanaugh writing that Roe v. Wade isnt settled and can be changed, which is at odds with what he told the committee earlier this week. Obviously this is exactly what people were worried about, though I'm not sure if it changes anything.

ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-06 14:29:16
September 06 2018 14:21 GMT
#13496
It does because if he's saying one thing under oath, while writing something different than what he said somewhere else, he's lying, and a reason for his nomination to be thrown out the window. At least that's how I understand it.
Life?
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 06 2018 14:21 GMT
#13497
On September 06 2018 23:13 JimmiC wrote:
It really feels like so many of these people care more about ratings than they do about running the country! Everything is so freaking dramatic.


It's more that Republicans are doing everything they can to railroad through Kavanaugh, and the Dems are pulling out all the stops to stop it. The Dems are basically saying "show it to us if you have nothing to hide let's do this right".
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-06 14:25:31
September 06 2018 14:23 GMT
#13498
Imo, Republicans already stole a nomination from the democrats when they chose to not even hear Merrick, if I were the Dems, I would be doing the same thing. Funny enough, Brett praises Merrick as a judge, and they both voted together on the same issue 93% of the time, yet Republicans chose to not hear the nomination because it was "Obamas" nomination. Despicable turn of events in my opinion.
Life?
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 06 2018 14:30 GMT
#13499
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-06 14:39:54
September 06 2018 14:35 GMT
#13500
On September 06 2018 23:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:
It does because if he's saying one thing under oath, while writing something different than what he said somewhere else, he's lying, and a reason for his nomination to be thrown out the window. At least that's how I understand it.


This sort of thing won't nab him; he is too well prepared. He will just say that is what he thought back then but not now. Once he gets confirmed he doesn't have to lie anymore and can go back to being a political operative.
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