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On January 10 2026 03:07 oBlade wrote:
There is no reason to do any shooting whatsoever, until the situation of him thinking the rapidly accelerating vehicle directly in front of him is going to unalive him, begins. (A policy of preemptively shoot the tires of anyone who might later drive away would, beyond certainly, be worse policing.) By the way, what's your way of shooting 4 tires of a car in 1 second from 3 meters in front of the driver?
Indeed, no shooting should have happened. But when he did shoot, he could've maybe done so at an angle so that her tires were shot instead of her face?
Do actually 4 tires need to be shot? Isn't one or 2 enough? Does it need to happen in 1 second? The entire point is that the shooting was entirely unnecessary. The guy was overly triggerhappy. He should absoluty be tried at the very least. If not, another blemish on the current cabinet.
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On January 10 2026 03:54 dyhb wrote:
From watching the clips, I saw a reasonable belief that his life was in danger.
Either we have wildly different ideas about what the word "reasonable" means, or you should never leave your home unless accompanied by a responsible adult to prevent you from resorting to extreme violence at every imagined provocation.
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I mean, the guy shoot in the general direction of his colleague as well, there was a real possibility that the moron could have shoot the guy yanking the door handle with the first shoot, it's all around extremely reckless move and reaction.
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On January 10 2026 04:09 Uldridge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2026 03:07 oBlade wrote:
There is no reason to do any shooting whatsoever, until the situation of him thinking the rapidly accelerating vehicle directly in front of him is going to unalive him, begins. (A policy of preemptively shoot the tires of anyone who might later drive away would, beyond certainly, be worse policing.) By the way, what's your way of shooting 4 tires of a car in 1 second from 3 meters in front of the driver? Indeed, no shooting should have happened. But when he did shoot, he could've maybe done so at an angle so that her tires were shot instead of her face? Do actually 4 tires need to be shot? Isn't one or 2 enough? Does it need to happen in 1 second? The entire point is that the shooting was entirely unnecessary. The guy was overly triggerhappy. He should absoluty be tried at the very least. If not, another blemish on the current cabinet.
Or instead of shooting tires he could also have not shot tires. Did she need to be prevented from leaving? Was she an imminent threat to anyone?
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On January 08 2026 09:24 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2026 05:03 Jankisa wrote:On January 08 2026 04:24 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 08 2026 04:14 Jankisa wrote:
Oh come on GH, literally no one here said that people should not protest, except maybe you having issues with the no Kings protests, a little introspection and less persecution complex goes a long way.
I also find it very unlikely that anything will come from this, Americans have been completely desensitized to police and gun violence and the person was driving a car, which has been an excuse for police to count it as deadly weapon so they can execute people for a very long time, I wish it wasn't, but that's how it is.
(One of) my issue(s) with the No Kings protests (and those aligned with them) is that they aren't disruptive and had no intention, so they are effectively a massive waste of people's time and energy. Distinct from the actions happening in Minnesota, which we're watching unfold now. We (like collectively as a species) need you to be wrong about (at least a significant number of) Americans, but I certainly take your point. Hard to watch the video and conclude shooting her was reasonable though imo. To that point, Frey is on the left side of the party but far from it's fringe, and this is a reasonably strong statement in reaction. I can only hope that there are actions to come with it. In no way, shape or form did I imply that the shooting was reasonable, in any country in the West outside of US the murderer ICE Agent would be arrested by his colleagues immediately, in the US, there are plenty of precedents which will allow right wingers to pretend that he was "fearing for his life" and there are plenty of Republican judges and jury members who will acquit him. The Mayor can say that, and I can bet you that the response will be national guard presence to "protect the ICE agents" and this will be turned into the new news cycle that will last for days, as soon as the temperature goes down a bit the orange piece of shit will tweet or give an interview calling the deceased names, along with the mayor and anyone else protesting, any minute now oBlade will come in with his interpretation of the videos and Introvert will explain to us that this is what happens when people interfere with federal officers protecting the sovereignty of the USA from the Somali immigrant mafia. Well of course fascists are going to side with fascism, they aren't who we should be discussing doing the right thing. I'm talking about the Democrats/their supporters that invariably call for calm and "peaceful" non-disruptive protests (if any at all) to ostensibly prevent Democrats from losing the midterms/Trump from cracking down harder. While there's certainly some overlap, one thing I'm hoping people recognize, are some of the differences between the anti-ICE organizing work and the No Kings style of organizing work. What most people here want instead, is for posters like oBlade and Intro to show up and do that so you all can point and laugh at how stupid they are, even though you all know that's their schtick.
Show nested quote +On September 18 2025 23:44 Jankisa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I know of no celebrities who celebrated this.
Unfortunately the right has established that anything other then absolute praising of the deceased is celebrating. I'm sure that despite all of my posts in this thread saying that CK did not deserve to die and that I don't condone political violence at all would take my posts pointing out fucked up shit he was saying as celebrating his death.
That, to me, is their magic touch, the special ingredient of fascism, they, with the help of the media who either doesn't know how to deal with it or are complicit are able to shape the narrative, they keep flinging shit at the wall until some of it sticks and from then on it's just the established narrative.
It happened with Russiagate, it happened with the Muller report interpretation, it happened with January 6th and the fucking documents and the tax investigation, all of it became "lawfare" and you can see our resident fascist boot lickers bring it up with absolute belief that they have the facts.
The worse cancellations during the hay day of "Cancel culture" were things like Democrats canceling Al Franken, but the right will still insist that random twitter accounts digging up shit from peoples past and getting them fired = "the left".
I can guarantee you that despite this whole shitstorm of them getting people fired, VP calling for people to report on others and get them fired, POTUS getting a late night host fired they will still pretend they are the cancel culture victims.
Because they don't care. Que the Satre quote. + Show Spoiler +Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
And you guys have spent the last several pages doing just that, which many of you have pointed out several times is what they want. Because, as you all have demonstrated dozens of times, you can't help yourselves.
This exchange does give me a tiny bit of hope though. Can't help but notice it is essentially agreeing with my post and has potential for fruitful discussion.
On January 09 2026 04:28 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2026 04:13 Jankisa wrote:
I don't know man, for me, the biggest takeaway from US politics in 2025 was how little of a fuck do regular Americans give about all the blatant corruption, warmongering, pedophilia and violence against immigrants and American citizens alike.
It's hard to quantify, but to me, this Trump term has already broken every record as compared to his first one, he bombed 9 countries, shat on all the traditional allies, gutted hugely important programs, fired anyone who could stand in his way and installed absolute fucking ghouls and morons in every important position, and how did Americans react?
Well, there were some protests, then there was troops on the streets, all the protests after that were well organized and extremely carefully curated not to trigger any response, but also very ineffective, it's exceedingly easy for Trump & CO to ignore 2-5 % of the population of any given city or town politely marching through the streets with some insulting signs every few months.
I don't know about you guys, but the biggest thing I remember from the No Kings protests was the unhinged Trump video of him shitting on the crowds from a fighter jet, that doesn't seem great, but it might be my pessimism addled brain. Agreed. It is weird how no one really seems to care. I mean, sure, they talk on the internet, but that is it. But i guess part of it is also that relevant parts of the population are actually happy with that shit. It seems that half the people actually like what Trump is doing for some inexplicable reason, and the rest don't care enough to actually do anything real.
I don't think people realized that they and Democrats (you probably mean me too?) were the "rest that don't care enough to actually do anything real"
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On January 10 2026 04:09 Uldridge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2026 03:07 oBlade wrote:
There is no reason to do any shooting whatsoever, until the situation of him thinking the rapidly accelerating vehicle directly in front of him is going to unalive him, begins. (A policy of preemptively shoot the tires of anyone who might later drive away would, beyond certainly, be worse policing.) By the way, what's your way of shooting 4 tires of a car in 1 second from 3 meters in front of the driver? Indeed, no shooting should have happened. But when he did shoot, he could've maybe done so at an angle so that her tires were shot instead of her face? Do actually 4 tires need to be shot? Isn't one or 2 enough? Does it need to happen in 1 second? The entire point is that the shooting was entirely unnecessary. The guy was overly triggerhappy. He should absoluty be tried at the very least. If not, another blemish on the current cabinet.
The rules for law enforcement are clear on that. You don't shoot even if the vehicle is driving straight at you. Bullets might kill the driver but they won't stop the car so by shooting you're making the situation more dangerous. Shooting in such a scenario accomplishes nothing.
There was literally no reason at all for the agent to start shooting there. If anything him shooting went against the rules and guidelines they should follow which also resulted in endangering of other people - not just shooting in proximity of other agents and civilians but also the now unconscious driver lost control of the car and crashed into another car. What would happen if instead of another car it crashed into a pedestrian? Or if there was a family in the other car that sustained injuries? Who would be responsible for that? The dead driver?
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GH, you know that you're also one of the clowns who shows up to let us know what a clown would say in a given situation, right?
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On January 10 2026 04:19 GreenHorizons wrote:So I said Show nested quote +On January 08 2026 09:24 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 08 2026 05:03 Jankisa wrote:On January 08 2026 04:24 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 08 2026 04:14 Jankisa wrote:
Oh come on GH, literally no one here said that people should not protest, except maybe you having issues with the no Kings protests, a little introspection and less persecution complex goes a long way.
I also find it very unlikely that anything will come from this, Americans have been completely desensitized to police and gun violence and the person was driving a car, which has been an excuse for police to count it as deadly weapon so they can execute people for a very long time, I wish it wasn't, but that's how it is.
(One of) my issue(s) with the No Kings protests (and those aligned with them) is that they aren't disruptive and had no intention, so they are effectively a massive waste of people's time and energy. Distinct from the actions happening in Minnesota, which we're watching unfold now. We (like collectively as a species) need you to be wrong about (at least a significant number of) Americans, but I certainly take your point. Hard to watch the video and conclude shooting her was reasonable though imo. To that point, Frey is on the left side of the party but far from it's fringe, and this is a reasonably strong statement in reaction. https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/2008972576211783792I can only hope that there are actions to come with it. In no way, shape or form did I imply that the shooting was reasonable, in any country in the West outside of US the murderer ICE Agent would be arrested by his colleagues immediately, in the US, there are plenty of precedents which will allow right wingers to pretend that he was "fearing for his life" and there are plenty of Republican judges and jury members who will acquit him. The Mayor can say that, and I can bet you that the response will be national guard presence to "protect the ICE agents" and this will be turned into the new news cycle that will last for days, as soon as the temperature goes down a bit the orange piece of shit will tweet or give an interview calling the deceased names, along with the mayor and anyone else protesting, any minute now oBlade will come in with his interpretation of the videos and Introvert will explain to us that this is what happens when people interfere with federal officers protecting the sovereignty of the USA from the Somali immigrant mafia. Well of course fascists are going to side with fascism, they aren't who we should be discussing doing the right thing. I'm talking about the Democrats/their supporters that invariably call for calm and "peaceful" non-disruptive protests (if any at all) to ostensibly prevent Democrats from losing the midterms/Trump from cracking down harder. While there's certainly some overlap, one thing I'm hoping people recognize, are some of the differences between the anti-ICE organizing work and the No Kings style of organizing work. What most people here want instead, is for posters like oBlade and Intro to show up and do that so you all can point and laugh at how stupid they are, even though you all know that's their schtick.
On September 18 2025 23:44 Jankisa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I know of no celebrities who celebrated this.
Unfortunately the right has established that anything other then absolute praising of the deceased is celebrating. I'm sure that despite all of my posts in this thread saying that CK did not deserve to die and that I don't condone political violence at all would take my posts pointing out fucked up shit he was saying as celebrating his death.
That, to me, is their magic touch, the special ingredient of fascism, they, with the help of the media who either doesn't know how to deal with it or are complicit are able to shape the narrative, they keep flinging shit at the wall until some of it sticks and from then on it's just the established narrative.
It happened with Russiagate, it happened with the Muller report interpretation, it happened with January 6th and the fucking documents and the tax investigation, all of it became "lawfare" and you can see our resident fascist boot lickers bring it up with absolute belief that they have the facts.
The worse cancellations during the hay day of "Cancel culture" were things like Democrats canceling Al Franken, but the right will still insist that random twitter accounts digging up shit from peoples past and getting them fired = "the left".
I can guarantee you that despite this whole shitstorm of them getting people fired, VP calling for people to report on others and get them fired, POTUS getting a late night host fired they will still pretend they are the cancel culture victims.
Because they don't care. Que the Satre quote. + Show Spoiler +Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. And you guys have spent the last several pages doing just that, which many of you have pointed out several times is what they want. Because, as you all have demonstrated dozens of times, you can't help yourselves. This exchange does give me a tiny bit of hope though. Can't help but notice it is essentially agreeing with my post and has potential for fruitful discussion. Show nested quote +On January 09 2026 04:28 Simberto wrote:On January 09 2026 04:13 Jankisa wrote:
I don't know man, for me, the biggest takeaway from US politics in 2025 was how little of a fuck do regular Americans give about all the blatant corruption, warmongering, pedophilia and violence against immigrants and American citizens alike.
It's hard to quantify, but to me, this Trump term has already broken every record as compared to his first one, he bombed 9 countries, shat on all the traditional allies, gutted hugely important programs, fired anyone who could stand in his way and installed absolute fucking ghouls and morons in every important position, and how did Americans react?
Well, there were some protests, then there was troops on the streets, all the protests after that were well organized and extremely carefully curated not to trigger any response, but also very ineffective, it's exceedingly easy for Trump & CO to ignore 2-5 % of the population of any given city or town politely marching through the streets with some insulting signs every few months.
I don't know about you guys, but the biggest thing I remember from the No Kings protests was the unhinged Trump video of him shitting on the crowds from a fighter jet, that doesn't seem great, but it might be my pessimism addled brain. Agreed. It is weird how no one really seems to care. I mean, sure, they talk on the internet, but that is it. But i guess part of it is also that relevant parts of the population are actually happy with that shit. It seems that half the people actually like what Trump is doing for some inexplicable reason, and the rest don't care enough to actually do anything real. I don't think people realized that they and Democrats (you probably mean me too?) were the "rest that don't care enough to actually do anything real"
GH continues to give their opinion even though they admitted that nobody cares what tankies think. I guess they just can't help themself
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The "they" was mostly directed at the overwhelming majority of the general american public, not necessarily specific people.
I honestly don't know what the best course of action is, but it seems to me that there should be massive reactions to all of this, and these just aren't there at all.
You got a guy simultaneously grifting the absolute shit out of the country in the most corrupt way possible, lawlessly breaking the rule of law at any juncture, demolishing all of the institutions that should prevent the shift towards dictatorship that prevented him from succeeding in his last coup in the most obvious way, ruining your economy and also being just the most vile human being possible. And i haven't even touched upon foreign politics.
It seems that if ever there was a time to protest and fight back, it should be now. But it just isn't happening in any relevant way.
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On January 10 2026 04:24 KwarK wrote:
GH, you know that you're also one of the clowns who shows up to let us know what a clown would say in a given situation, right?
Let's honk each others noses in mutual despair.
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On January 10 2026 04:27 Simberto wrote:
The "they" was mostly directed at the overwhelming majority of the general american public, not necessarily specific people.
I honestly don't know what the best course of action is, but it seems to me that there should be massive reactions to all of this, and these just aren't there at all.
You got a guy simultaneously grifting the absolute shit out of the country in the most corrupt way possible, lawlessly breaking the rule of law at any juncture, demolishing all of the institutions that should prevent the shift towards dictatorship that prevented him from succeeding in his last coup in the most obvious way, ruining your economy and also being just the most vile human being possible. And i haven't even touched upon foreign politics.
It seems that if ever there was a time to protest and fight back, it should be now. But it just isn't happening in any relevant way.
Everyone knows what needs to be done and it's not protesting.
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On January 10 2026 03:56 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2026 03:54 dyhb wrote:Do we really have to jump on the bitter partisanship that one side knows it was a murder, and are defending it because they support law enforcement murders. https://x.com/alphanews/status/2009679932289626385From watching the clips, I saw a reasonable belief that his life was in danger. And it won’t do anybody any good to pretend that it’s clear-cut in the opposite direction. She was more like Ashley Babbit than George Floyd. And it’s still a tragedy. In danger of what? If he did literally nothing then nothing would have happened. She was not complying with law enforcement orders and accelerated her vehicle and struck him. See the video linked in my post.
On January 09 2026 08:55 KwarK wrote:
Honestly I think it’s time America brought its roving death squads into the twenty first century ... Actually, I judge from this post that you're in it for humorous sarcastic takes on "roving death squads" in America. I'm not in it for that, but I hope you can find an equally engaged rhetorician that will engage just as stridently as you.
As a side note, her passenger is apparently recording as well, but that video has not surfaced.
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On January 10 2026 05:01 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2026 03:56 KwarK wrote:On January 10 2026 03:54 dyhb wrote:Do we really have to jump on the bitter partisanship that one side knows it was a murder, and are defending it because they support law enforcement murders. https://x.com/alphanews/status/2009679932289626385From watching the clips, I saw a reasonable belief that his life was in danger. And it won’t do anybody any good to pretend that it’s clear-cut in the opposite direction. She was more like Ashley Babbit than George Floyd. And it’s still a tragedy. In danger of what? If he did literally nothing then nothing would have happened. She was not complying with law enforcement orders and accelerated her vehicle and struck him. See the video linked in my post. Show nested quote +On January 09 2026 08:55 KwarK wrote:
Honestly I think it’s time America brought its roving death squads into the twenty first century ... Actually, I judge from this post that you're in it for humorous sarcastic takes on "roving death squads" in America. I'm not in it for that, but I hope you can find an equally engaged rhetorician that will engage just as stridently as you. As a side note, her passenger is apparently recording as well, but that video has not surfaced.
He moved in front of a civilian vehicle that was not doing anything illegal and executed her.
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On January 10 2026 04:52 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2026 04:27 Simberto wrote:
The "they" was mostly directed at the overwhelming majority of the general american public, not necessarily specific people.
I honestly don't know what the best course of action is, but it seems to me that there should be massive reactions to all of this, and these just aren't there at all.
You got a guy simultaneously grifting the absolute shit out of the country in the most corrupt way possible, lawlessly breaking the rule of law at any juncture, demolishing all of the institutions that should prevent the shift towards dictatorship that prevented him from succeeding in his last coup in the most obvious way, ruining your economy and also being just the most vile human being possible. And i haven't even touched upon foreign politics.
It seems that if ever there was a time to protest and fight back, it should be now. But it just isn't happening in any relevant way. Everyone knows what needs to be done and it's not protesting.
I'm almost certain that not everyone here (I'm obviously not talking about the Sartres) agrees on that. You guys should have that discussion maybe?
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On January 10 2026 03:54 dyhb wrote:Do we really have to jump on the bitter partisanship that one side knows it was a murder, and are defending it because they support law enforcement murders. https://x.com/alphanews/status/2009679932289626385From watching the clips, I saw a reasonable belief that his life was in danger. And it won’t do anybody any good to pretend that it’s clear-cut in the opposite direction. She was more like Ashley Babbit than George Floyd. And it’s still a tragedy.
The fucker literally stepped in front of her car as she was being told to "get the fuck out of there" and pulled the gun before she stepped on gas. After he fired the first shot, he stepped out of the way and fired two more. Fuck off.
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Lindsay Graham said two days ago that if the dictator starts killing protestors then they need to be killed.
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I'd say Trump just needs new viziers. Miller and Vance are just.. terrible terrible people.
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The guy did 2 circles around the car, while holding his phone outstretched, you can see in the recording (obviously he's looking in the same direction he's filming) that she's turning the steering wheel to the side opposite of the one which she'd be turning if she wanted to run the fucker over, so this guy had this information, then he took a step closer to the car so he can put himself in a position where fascist boot lickers can pretend he was in danger and executed the woman who's last words were "I'm not mad at you", who was there, in her street after dropping her kid at school.
The guy wanted to kill her, put himself in the position, pulled the gun before the victim even started moving the car forward, caused her to panic and then executed her, immediately after, without dropping his phone he turns it to video the car going away and says "fucking bitch", and this guy comes here to explain how this lady, on her street, turning the wheel away from the piece of shit is more like Ashley Babbit who was trying to brake through a barricade while ignoring 10 commands to stop.
I mean, no wonder, it's the same guy explaining to us in the I/P thread how the 2 kids, 8 and 11 were justifiably killed because they could have been Hamas child soldiers and how killing them was the correct thing to do, so, you know, perhaps this is someone who automatically sides with the side that likes executing innocents.
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On January 10 2026 05:01 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2026 03:56 KwarK wrote:On January 10 2026 03:54 dyhb wrote:Do we really have to jump on the bitter partisanship that one side knows it was a murder, and are defending it because they support law enforcement murders. https://x.com/alphanews/status/2009679932289626385From watching the clips, I saw a reasonable belief that his life was in danger. And it won’t do anybody any good to pretend that it’s clear-cut in the opposite direction. She was more like Ashley Babbit than George Floyd. And it’s still a tragedy. In danger of what? If he did literally nothing then nothing would have happened. She was not complying with law enforcement orders and accelerated her vehicle and struck him.
The USA is the only developed country where you get executed on the spot for noncompliance with law enforcement. I'm just curious, do you think that's a good thing? Should cops in the UK or Japan or New Zealand just kill people if they say "get out of the car" but they don't? Moreover, why stop at law enforcement? Should cabinet members or judges or members of a nation's congress/parliament also have the right to kill people on the spot for noncompliance? I mean, it's very blatantly not about public safety whatsoever since ICE has collectively made everyone infinitely less safe than undocumented immigrants ever have, so I'm just trying to figure out the where and whys for when the government can just kill you on the spot.
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On January 10 2026 05:20 Uldridge wrote:
I'd say Trump just needs new viziers. Miller and Vance are just.. terrible terrible people.
I've seen quite a few screenshots of conservatives on Twitter/Facebook desperately pinging Trump because they lost their insurance and surely he isn't aware of that, if only he knew he would fix it.
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