EPTSeems the US is starting the dismantling of the UN since peace no longer aligns with their interests.
Oh and as no surprise, a bunch of environmental organizations.
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Yurie
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Seems the US is starting the dismantling of the UN since peace no longer aligns with their interests. Oh and as no surprise, a bunch of environmental organizations. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8195 Posts
On January 09 2026 18:03 Jankisa wrote: It's wild seeing the same MAGA base who was extremely disturbed by people on the left "celebrating" and "making jokes" about the Charlie Kirk assassination gleefully cheering on the ICE murderer and talking all kinds of shit and making all kinds of fun of Renee Nicole Good: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/q74O8gO.png) I can't say I'm surprised by the hypocrisy but I did think they'd maybe dial it back a notch given that the woman was clearly executed in front of her partner because one of them is a piece of shit moron, but alas, no, they are out in full force, calling a mother who died all kinds of names because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Wonderful people, I'm sure our friends who came here to explain how the reactions to CK made them double down on their right wing support are now very upset at this. How much of a depraved cunt one needs to be to write this tweet. Maga is just disgusting. | ||
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oBlade
United States6542 Posts
On January 09 2026 20:15 Yurie wrote: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2026/01/withdrawing-the-united-states-from-international-organizations-conventions-and-treaties-that-are-contrary-to-the-interests-of-the-united-states/ Seems the US is starting the dismantling of the UN since peace no longer aligns with their interests. Dismantling? What does the UN stand for, United Nations or Usa 'Neverybodyelse? If it's the former, these organizations will be able to continue to exist and conduct their beneficial work. If it's the latter then let's admit that. Has the UN had any peace hits recently? In this century? Any wars stopped or prevented, peaces kept? My understanding is the last and only significant thing they did was vote for intervention in Korea in 1950. And that only happened because Taiwan was on the security council instead of the PRC, and Russia didn't show up to the vote to veto it. Can we now rely on the UN to keep the peace between China and Taiwan, who isn't even a member? No, the UN is bullshit. | ||
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pmh
1416 Posts
I hope people can see "analyzis" seperate from personal opinion and moral judgement. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1765 Posts
On January 09 2026 22:21 oBlade wrote: Dismantling? What does the UN stand for, United Nations or Usa 'Neverybodyelse? If it's the former, these organizations will be able to continue to exist and conduct their beneficial work. If it's the latter then let's admit that. Has the UN had any peace hits recently? In this century? Any wars stopped or prevented, peaces kept? My understanding is the last and only significant thing they did was vote for intervention in Korea in 1950. And that only happened because Taiwan was on the security council instead of the PRC, and Russia didn't show up to the vote to veto it. Can we now rely on the UN to keep the peace between China and Taiwan, who isn't even a member? No, the UN is bullshit. A lot of people in my neck of the woods would have been dead if it wasn't for UN and UNPROFOR, but I guess we don't count. A lot of people in Africa, Gaza and many other places would be dead if it wasn't for UN. Not like there was need of more evidence of it, but way to show your utter ignorance. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1765 Posts
On January 09 2026 22:23 pmh wrote: "Allowed people to settle besides them". This is a rather romantic discription of the colonizing of america. Wallstreet was named after a wall meant to keep the native tribes at distance. That is all water under the bridge now but pearently the colonization has restarted. For europe and denmark greenland is worth fighting over. They can not settle for getting a small piece of the pie either. Specially now that the us has proven to be an unreliable and opportunistic partner. Europe does not have many resources to begin with. Greenland is the nest egg that a united europe will depend on 50-200 years from now when global warming opens up the arctic. It is of existential importance for the long term future of europe and its leading industrials. The long term value is basicly infinite. Ai will make raw resources the bottleneck for future growth. Resources have been virtually infinite for all intends and purposes thus far but this is going to change. Which is also why the us now places so much importance on getting long term control. Europe will probably make a deal over greenland which would be a huge mistake. Europe could resist , the us depends on europe for the petro dollar and the financial system around it. The us is an import nation , despite its power it can not run on its own (at least not yet). It would be a huge loss for europe in the short term but still be worth it in the long run. It would be so dramatic however that i think europe will cave to some extend at least. Next week there is a meeting with Rubio. Who is becoming the leading figure in the administration. Europe will try make a deal which will probably be terrible. Overall the agressive foreign policy under Trump has been a massive succes for the us at least for the short and mid term. Probably the biggest succes any president had in history. Luckily for the democrats foreign policy is not the most important thing during elections. The us gained influence and control in: Syria , venezuela , and now potentially greenland. Iran is close and in the long run they might unite with canada as well. For europe it is now fighting for survival. Worst thing would be europe falling appart and all sorts of autocratic leaders making there own bad deals with the us. Allowing them to make a few billion in exchange for the long term future of their nation worth trillions. It wont be this dramatic i hope but europe realy need get its act together specially its leaders. They wont survive by following all the rules in a game where everyone else is cheating. This is a very, very silly "analysis". According to your way of grading foreign policy Putin is the best leader of the last 20 years, as long as you ignore the fact that Russians are incredibly poor and have very low standards of living compared to even the small ex-soviet republics which decided that peace is a good thing. And that's without mentioning hundreds of thousands of dead and maimed Russians he left in his wake. There is plenty of resources on earth, including rare earth minerals, it's a matter of technology and accessibility, Greenland is not that special or important, everything you can find there you can find in other places that are closer and have way more access to infrastructure and manpower. | ||
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oBlade
United States6542 Posts
On January 09 2026 22:25 Jankisa wrote: A lot of people in my neck of the woods would have been dead if it wasn't for UN and UNPROFOR, but I guess we don't count. A lot of people in Africa, Gaza and many other places would be dead if it wasn't for UN. Not like there was need of more evidence of it, but way to show your utter ignorance. That was the 20th century. Everyone remembers that. Edit: You quoted and still missed it. Even if you want to credit the UN for intervention in the Yugoslavia in the 90s instead of the actual power that physically did it, meaning NATO, I specifically said "this century." This century meaning the 21st century. Not from today until 100 years ago. Black people would be slaves in America without the Republican Party but you're not a fan of what they're doing today now, are you? It's a specific question for a reason. The UN hasn't done anything that isn't more efficient than going around or outside the UN. It's obsolete. Does nothing today. It's a Senate of countries with no power by themselves that constantly just vote against the US and western interests, when the truth is it's only the west that has the power and ability to fix the problems the UN is supposed to address. Dag Hammarskjöld said the UN was created to save humanity from hell, not to take humanity to heaven. Turns out the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Put Russia on the security council and let them invade their neighbor. Take Taiwan out of the whole equation and wait for the other non-western multipolar SC member to take them over. If you want to go back, the list of failures is extensive. Completely failed in Rwanda at the same time NATO was taking control of the situation in Europe. Completely failed with the Khmer Rouge, which took Vietnam to fix. | ||
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Legan
Finland597 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17850 Posts
This I think is a very good summary of the events that also reflects my feelings on it. Brandon got so frustrated there that he actually started crying. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1765 Posts
Also, I listed Africa (still active and prevented so many deaths) and Gaza which are both "this century", so even your "well akshualy" bullshit is completely wrong. UNPROFOR was a force of 25.000 troops, nothing to do with NATO, unless Australia or New Zeland are in NATO. It's incredible how wrong you are all the time and you still double down, I mean, it's par for the course given who you support and whose boots you lick, but I still find it fascinating. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17850 Posts
On January 09 2026 23:03 Jankisa wrote: UNPROFOR was a force of 25.000 troops, nothing to do with NATO, unless Australia or New Zeland are in NATO. Australia, New Zealand, South Korea and Japan are NATO Global Partners. They do operations together, training together and try to match the standards and interoperability. They can't formally join NATO because Article 10 precludes non-European countries from joining. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3281 Posts
On January 09 2026 18:03 Jankisa wrote: It's wild seeing the same MAGA base who was extremely disturbed by people on the left "celebrating" and "making jokes" about the Charlie Kirk assassination gleefully cheering on the ICE murderer and talking all kinds of shit and making all kinds of fun of Renee Nicole Good: I can't say I'm surprised by the hypocrisy but I did think they'd maybe dial it back a notch given that the woman was clearly executed in front of her partner because one of them is a piece of shit moron, but alas, no, they are out in full force, calling a mother who died all kinds of names because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Wonderful people, I'm sure our friends who came here to explain how the reactions to CK made them double down on their right wing support are now very upset at this. Reminder that Matt Walsh is a pedophile that is on record gleefully saying 15 year olds ought to be impregnated because that's when they're most fertile (which is a lie, but the misinformation is hardly as disturbing as the thought itself). | ||
KwarK
United States44361 Posts
On January 09 2026 18:03 Jankisa wrote: It's wild seeing the same MAGA base who was extremely disturbed by people on the left "celebrating" and "making jokes" about the Charlie Kirk assassination gleefully cheering on the ICE murderer and talking all kinds of shit and making all kinds of fun of Renee Nicole Good: I can't say I'm surprised by the hypocrisy but I did think they'd maybe dial it back a notch given that the woman was clearly executed in front of her partner because one of them is a piece of shit moron, but alas, no, they are out in full force, calling a mother who died all kinds of names because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Wonderful people, I'm sure our friends who came here to explain how the reactions to CK made them double down on their right wing support are now very upset at this. Every accusation is an admission. | ||
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KwarK
United States44361 Posts
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Jankisa
Croatia1765 Posts
On January 09 2026 23:18 Manit0u wrote: Australia, New Zealand, South Korea and Japan are NATO Global Partners. They do operations together, training together and try to match the standards and interoperability. They can't formally join NATO because Article 10 precludes non-European countries from joining. Cool, not sure why it's relevant to the discussion, since UNPROFOR was not related to NATO... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Protection_Force Pakistan: One of the largest contributors, providing over 3,000 troops. Jordan: Contributed significant infantry and support units. Malaysia: Provided a mechanized infantry battalion. Argentina: The primary South American contributor, sending the "Argentine Battalion" (BEA). Bangladesh: Contributed thousands of troops throughout the conflict. Sweden: Provided a Nordic battalion (Nordbat 2) alongside Denmark and Norway (who were NATO members). Ukraine: Provided significant troop numbers shortly after gaining independence from the Soviet Union. Russian Federation: Contributed troops to both Croatia and Bosnia (notably the "Rusbat" battalions). Egypt: Sent an infantry battalion. India: Provided early leadership (General Satish Nambiar was the first Force Commander) and medical units. Pretty sure none of the above are NATO members. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1765 Posts
On January 09 2026 23:43 LightSpectra wrote: Reminder that Matt Walsh is a pedophile that is on record gleefully saying 15 year olds ought to be impregnated because that's when they're most fertile (which is a lie, but the misinformation is hardly as disturbing as the thought itself). He is also very main stream, works for Ben Shapiro's network and is one of the biggest anti-Trans propagandists in the world, from all the propaganda these ghouls pushed out his "What is a woman" is the one that I noticed had the most penetration with "normies", even some in Croatia, as an example. | ||
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oBlade
United States6542 Posts
On January 09 2026 22:46 Manit0u wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdEUUmd3PS0 This I think is a very good summary of the events that also reflects my feelings on it. Brandon got so frustrated there that he actually started crying. A lot of dear Brandon's points don't make sense. Like referencing "don't approach a car from the front." The officer didn't approach from the front, he went around from the back and as a group they controlled all sides of the car. Normal nonpropagandized people at that point park it, give them the keys, and get out. And those guidelines are about tactics. It's not like there's a manual saying "Don't approach a car from the front because if you do, malicious civilians are still allowed to plow into you with impunity with this one weird trick." Or more clearly, if the implication is LEO aren't supposed to approach cars from the front because it prevents people from driving away, which they are supposed to be always allowed to do, without hitting the officer, that is mistaken, because the fact of being in a car doesn't confer you an inherent legal right to drive away either. Weirdly he sees the tires clearly spin with the vehicle pointed at the agent at point blank distance and doesn't mention anything around 2:24. We do have about 4 angles so far, which is not all the angles as I'm sure the agent, who had been dragged in a previous incident as well, had a bodycam vid. Here's a synced version which is of some utility for seeing the whole picture. Another weird thing about Brandon is he hysterically shouts "masked men with guns," when we know the driver knew who they were, saw their POLICE ICE uniforms, knew they were federal agents, and was engaged in organized disruption, meaning had been there to fuck with them, with or at the urging of her partner. Lesson: Don't put yourself in a situation where you floor a thousands of pounds car with a federal law enforcement agent right in front of you. Whether you're trying to kill him or not. Whether you're trying to pancake him or swerve away. Don't put either of you in that situation. Here's why. Here's an example of a bodycam showing how fast you can go from alive to doomed when someone changes their vehicle into a deadly weapon. He's not going to judge the angle of the tires, that he can't see from right in front of an SUV, on the ice, that he's slipping on, and Zach Galifianakis calculate all the physics of whether he's about to get killed or will only get clipped after mind-reading the driver. He's going to defend himself with lethal force. And you can't say you're defending yourself against him equally using equal force, because he's a federal law enforcement officer and you aren't, and whether on purpose or not, the driver is the one who rolled the dice of stupid decisions when they chose to floor it at a federal law enforcement officer. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3281 Posts
We could live in a country where there's like 1 person killed by the police every year, but conservatives will never vote for that, because extrajudicial murder is their foremost faux-Christian value. | ||
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Legan
Finland597 Posts
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2892 Posts
On January 10 2026 01:42 LightSpectra wrote: There will rarely be a circumstance where the police murder someone and conservatives won't rush to their defense (maybe if the officer was trans or something, I guess; rare exceptions like that). We saw George Floyd murdered on live camera and conservatives defended that, so why would they change now? They want to live in North Korea and everything in their bag of justifications that can be pulled out for that end, will be pulled out for that end. We could live in a country where there's like 1 person killed by the police every year, but conservatives will never vote for that, because extrajudicial murder is their foremost faux-Christian value. I visit conservative spaces frequently to see what's up and I saw a lot content on the 6th on how Ashley Babbit was murdered and how that cop should be in jail. So it does happen. | ||
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