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LightSpectra
United States2576 Posts
On January 08 2026 18:44 oBlade wrote: That's pretty bad. Countries can't just let in people with no loyalty who would betray them. The risk is not worth it. oBlade makes a solid case for denaturalizing people on the grounds of being registered Republicans. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8078 Posts
So again, who decides? | ||
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hitthat
Poland2341 Posts
On January 09 2026 00:37 Billyboy wrote: Hell late night shows can't even find anything to make fun of him for. I would also have trouble with that, as I would be affraid of being outperformed by his actual ideas. | ||
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oBlade
United States6123 Posts
On January 08 2026 22:17 Jankisa wrote: The DMZ between SK and NK is one of the most mined and watched places on earth, it's also about 10 times shorter then the Mexico - US border, it also doesn't have a whole business revolving around getting people and drugs over it by extremely sophisticated criminals, thinking it's actually "secure" just shows how seeped in brain numbingly dumb propaganda you are. The only way to parse this sentence is that you're saying the Korean DMZ is not secure. A totally unforced credibility nuke, or confession to pure gaslighting, as "secure" is your word, meaning those are scare quotes, not quoting me. Fundamentally reversed logic. The Korean border is not unsecure due to the fact that it's not being challenged by millions of people trying to cross it. People do not cross it because it is heavily fortified. It's like saying a bank safe isn't secure because nobody tries to open it. That's the whole point, that's why it's a safe. The fact that there is an industry of human and drug trafficking across the border is the reason to destroy the cartels. Not a reason to allow them to persist lest they attempt to infiltrate the US with the threat of guerilla terrorists. In the event of a war in Mexico, any partisan war criminals managing to cross on foot in one of the remote regions with nearly impassable terrain could yes get across the border, and get tracked and Apached within a day before reaching any population center. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1384 Posts
On January 08 2026 12:46 oBlade wrote: Because I don't see how partisans would slip through when the DoD has operational control of the border now. Unless the potential, would-be partisans are already in the US? If they're here already that's a different story. How many people living in the US do you estimate (as a European) would take up arms against the US in the event the US engaged in military action in Mexico? For the record. I obviously meant that the border which is not secure is that one, especially as compared to the DMZ, and as usual, you went with semantics as a form of attack because you have, once again, shown how easy it is for the stupidest people on the planet to convince you of stupid shit. You said DOD (I think you meant DOW, btw, stick with the branding your people are putting out) has operational control of the 1,954 mile border, which to you means that people couldn't slip through, which is an interesting combination of delusional, ignorant and sycophantic for Pete Hegseth, which is kind of weird if you ask me. Russia and Ukraine share a shorter border (by a third), have been at war for almost 4 years now and Ukrainians regularly perform huge sabotage missions, including trucks full of drones, trucks blowing up bridges, blowing up railway lines, even occupying a nice chunk of territory. Your expertise is breathtaking. | ||
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oBlade
United States6123 Posts
On January 09 2026 02:11 Jankisa wrote: I obviously meant that the border which is not secure is that one, especially as compared to the DMZ, and as usual, you went with semantics as a form of attack because you have, once again, shown how easy it is for the stupidest people on the planet to convince you of stupid shit. Don't use ambiguous pronouns if you don't want to feel attacked. We can figure out "then" when it's supposed to be "than" but if you just keep repeating "it" it's impossible to know you changed what "it" is pointing to without reading minds, and I know your native language has pronouns too, so focus and make sentences that mean what you want to say. On January 09 2026 02:11 Jankisa wrote: You said DOD (I think you meant DOW, btw, stick with the branding your people are putting out) has operational control of the 1,954 mile border, which to you means that people couldn't slip through, which is an interesting combination of delusional, ignorant and sycophantic for Pete Hegseth, which is kind of weird if you ask me. "Which to you means" This is textbook strawman. Nobody says a controlled, or secure, or what have you, border means not a single human could ever get through. You have to physically get through in order to be stopped to begin with. If you cross the border for 10 meters and get arrested, wow you slipped through. Boring. On January 09 2026 02:11 Jankisa wrote: Russia and Ukraine share a shorter border (by a third), have been at war for almost 4 years now and Ukrainians regularly perform huge sabotage missions, including trucks full of drones, trucks blowing up bridges, blowing up railway lines, even occupying a nice chunk of territory. Russia's military capabilities are nowhere near the US's nor is the difference between Ukraine and Russia anywhere like the gulf between the US and Mexico's militaries, or worse, between the US and the sophisticated paramilitary cartels that don't even have an air force or air defense like Venezuela does. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7170 Posts
On January 09 2026 02:32 oBlade wrote: Don't use ambiguous pronouns if you don't want to feel attacked. We can figure out "then" when it's supposed to be "than" but if you just keep repeating "it" it's impossible to know you changed what "it" is pointing to without reading minds, and I know your native language has pronouns too, so focus and make sentences that mean what you want to say. If you really thought Jankisa was talking about Korean border being insecure in the context of the discussion, you are even dumber than your president :D Of course i know you're just being obtuse to try and win an argument, but jesus christ man. | ||
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Billyboy
1719 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On January 09 2026 02:39 Billyboy wrote: How does the US do at occupying countries and turning them from foe to friend? Oddly, pretty well actually at least in Asia. The Philipines, Japan, Vietnam and South Korea were all at one point or another heavily occupied by US forces. They all are on good terms with us now. I think a lot of that has to do with how much all of those countries have a strong fear of a different country so we aren't so bad in comparison. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11835 Posts
On January 09 2026 02:39 Luolis wrote: If you really thought Jankisa was talking about Korean border being insecure in the context of the discussion, you are even dumber than your president :D Of course i know you're just being obtuse to try and win an argument, but jesus christ man. oBlade is simply a debatelord conservative. I doubt that he even believes in or cares about half the stuff he argues, he is just in this to win arguments. For this reason, talking to him is utterly pointless. My life has been better since i stopped doing that, and I simply ignore anything he posts. | ||
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Legan
Finland577 Posts
On January 08 2026 09:08 Sadist wrote: People cant afford to take days off work or they risk losing their job and healthcare. Its easier to protest when you have a safety net OR you have nothing. When you are caught in the middle its a little more difficult. I wonder what happens when this starts to affect voting, too. Will the people just explain their voting choices away the same way? Voting hard to fix the system turns into voting is too hard to fix the system. Protesting being too "difficult" should be viewed as a major failure of any political system, and politicians fail when they do not care to fix it. It should probably be a basic question asked of any candidate. Understandably, some politicians would be more concerned about the impact of protesting on businesses and the economy. After all that is the more important thing to donors. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1384 Posts
I think I'll take Simberto's advice and bow out, I already got banned for a few days for being mean to him, and it's not like the guy will ever concede he is woefully wrong on a very obvious point, as evidenced by the immediate pivot into criticizing my English. | ||
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Billyboy
1719 Posts
On January 09 2026 02:43 Vindicare605 wrote: Oddly, pretty well actually at least in Asia. The Philipines, Japan, Vietnam and South Korea were all at one point or another heavily occupied by US forces. They all are on good terms with us now. I think a lot of that has to do with how much all of those countries have a strong fear of a different country so we aren't so bad in comparison. Post WW2 a lot worse. | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On January 09 2026 02:50 Legan wrote: I wonder what happens when this starts to affect voting, too. Will the people just explain their voting choices away the same way? Voting hard to fix the system turns into voting is too hard to fix the system. Protesting being too "difficult" should be viewed as a major failure of any political system, and politicians fail when they do not care to fix it. It should probably be a basic question asked of any candidate. Understandably, some politicians would be more concerned about the impact of protesting on businesses and the economy. After all that is the more important thing to donors. I completely agree with you. It does happen with voting. Voting should be a holiday but im pretty sure republicans against that. Healthcare not being tied to employment would be a huge step. Losing a job is stressful enough. Losing your health insurance is just another kick in the teeth. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22364 Posts
On January 09 2026 02:50 Legan wrote: Its already is, when you read about hours long lines at voting stations that is what it is, making it more difficult then necessary to vote.I wonder what happens when this starts to affect voting, too. Will the people just explain their voting choices away the same way? Voting hard to fix the system turns into voting is too hard to fix the system. Protesting being too "difficult" should be viewed as a major failure of any political system, and politicians fail when they do not care to fix it. It should probably be a basic question asked of any candidate. Understandably, some politicians would be more concerned about the impact of protesting on businesses and the economy. After all that is the more important thing to donors. Every election there are stories about voting locations closed in certain neighbourhoods to further make it more difficult to vote. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1384 Posts
In USA, I'm sure the vote suppression tactics that were already done for 2024 elections will be expanded, mail in voting and early voting might be on the chopping block, plus, of course, they will send ICE and other feds to polling places to intimidate voters. The upcoming midterms will be a huge uphill battle, with all of the above + gerrymandering cranked up to 11, and of course the now standard refusals to accept unfavorable results, it's going to be a shittshow. And all that to maybe get the brave Democrats into the two chambers, who will more then likely try to field as many Joe Manchin types as they can because "Kamala was too left", who will make sure that anything too "radical" like trying to hold ICE and similar goons accountable doesn't get done, the picture is pretty bleak. | ||
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Legan
Finland577 Posts
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Jankisa
Croatia1384 Posts
It's hard to quantify, but to me, this Trump term has already broken every record as compared to his first one, he bombed 9 countries, shat on all the traditional allies, gutted hugely important programs, fired anyone who could stand in his way and installed absolute fucking ghouls and morons in every important position, and how did Americans react? Well, there were some protests, then there was troops on the streets, all the protests after that were well organized and extremely carefully curated not to trigger any response, but also very ineffective, it's exceedingly easy for Trump & CO to ignore 2-5 % of the population of any given city or town politely marching through the streets with some insulting signs every few months. I don't know about you guys, but the biggest thing I remember from the No Kings protests was the unhinged Trump video of him shitting on the crowds from a fighter jet, that doesn't seem great, but it might be my pessimism addled brain. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5158 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11835 Posts
On January 09 2026 04:13 Jankisa wrote: I don't know man, for me, the biggest takeaway from US politics in 2025 was how little of a fuck do regular Americans give about all the blatant corruption, warmongering, pedophilia and violence against immigrants and American citizens alike. It's hard to quantify, but to me, this Trump term has already broken every record as compared to his first one, he bombed 9 countries, shat on all the traditional allies, gutted hugely important programs, fired anyone who could stand in his way and installed absolute fucking ghouls and morons in every important position, and how did Americans react? Well, there were some protests, then there was troops on the streets, all the protests after that were well organized and extremely carefully curated not to trigger any response, but also very ineffective, it's exceedingly easy for Trump & CO to ignore 2-5 % of the population of any given city or town politely marching through the streets with some insulting signs every few months. I don't know about you guys, but the biggest thing I remember from the No Kings protests was the unhinged Trump video of him shitting on the crowds from a fighter jet, that doesn't seem great, but it might be my pessimism addled brain. Agreed. It is weird how no one really seems to care. I mean, sure, they talk on the internet, but that is it. But i guess part of it is also that relevant parts of the population are actually happy with that shit. It seems that half the people actually like what Trump is doing for some inexplicable reason, and the rest don't care enough to actually do anything real. | ||
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