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On January 10 2026 10:18 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2026 06:29 Luolis wrote:On January 10 2026 06:25 dyhb wrote:On January 10 2026 05:35 Jankisa wrote:
The guy did 2 circles around the car, while holding his phone outstretched, you can see in the recording (obviously he's looking in the same direction he's filming) that she's turning the steering wheel to the side opposite of the one which she'd be turning if she wanted to run the fucker over, so this guy had this information, then he took a step closer to the car so he can put himself in a position where fascist boot lickers can pretend he was in danger and executed the woman who's last words were "I'm not mad at you", who was there, in her street after dropping her kid at school.
The guy wanted to kill her, put himself in the position, pulled the gun before the victim even started moving the car forward, caused her to panic and then executed her, immediately after, without dropping his phone he turns it to video the car going away and says "fucking bitch", and this guy comes here to explain how this lady, on her street, turning the wheel away from the piece of shit is more like Ashley Babbit who was trying to brake through a barricade while ignoring 10 commands to stop.
I mean, no wonder, it's the same guy explaining to us in the I/P thread how the 2 kids, 8 and 11 were justifiably killed because they could have been Hamas child soldiers and how killing them was the correct thing to do, so, you know, perhaps this is someone who automatically sides with the side that likes executing innocents. If I'm to understand you correctly, she hits him with her car while fleeing arrest, but that's ok because the federal officer can deduce in those fractions of a second how she's turning the wheel that she presents no danger to him (again, despite actually hitting him with her car)? I'm having a really hard time believing that you really think this. They're making eye contact and she drives forward into him. You can argue that she didn't intend that, but people are killed by vehicles that didn't intend to kill them all the time. Especially on icy roads. I look at that video and see that the officer was in very real danger. He wasn't even in front of the car until SHE REVERSED AT AN ANGLE. Perhaps unknowingly and perhaps thinking she could avoid the collision, she accelerated the car into him putting the officer's life in danger. And she waits until the agent is back in front of the car to make her escape. I really have a problem with anybody that calls this an execution. You can literally see her turning the wheel away from the ICE dude you dumb fuck. That was about as much of a dangerous situation for him as walking outside of my home door is for me. If we're judging the video like an NFL review, I'd be on your side. We take a timeout, the Referees review the footage, and minutes later we have the determination. When you play the video at normal speed, he has fractions of a second to react to someone accelerating towards him. Sorry, I don't agree with you. I fail to see the reason you're comparing her collision with the officer to you walking out your front door. Is your neighborhood especially dangerous? Show nested quote +Much like Ashley Babbitt that I mentioned earlier, it's still a tragedy that she died. I don't have to put on a big show about law enforcement executing her, and how this doesn't happen in other countries. I can still discuss her involvement in the circumstances of her death. Ashli Babbitt was a traitor that died because she got conned by Don The Con into invading the capitol and trying to break through a glass door that was being defended by armed men who were supposed to be there. You would've been better off saying something about Charlie Kirk because atleast at the time of his death the worst he was doing was a racist dogwhistle. Not drawing the moral comparison between Babbitt and Good, just the insanity of talking about speaking about this as an execution. Charlie Kirk died sitting in his chair talking, not sitting behind the wheel driving into his audience. Show nested quote +On January 10 2026 06:37 LightSpectra wrote:
"Dumb fuck" is too kind. Do you (dyhb) aggressively gaslight people in real life like this too, or is lying to defend extrajudicial murder just what you do as a hobby on the Internet? If we're all adults here, we can watch the same video and come to different conclusions about it. I watched it and saw a reasonable belief that he would die or suffer serious injury when she accelerated into him. At some point, you have to accept that some people both disagree with you and aren't also playing psychological tricks on you. Show nested quote +On January 10 2026 06:43 decafchicken wrote:On January 10 2026 06:25 dyhb wrote:On January 10 2026 05:35 Jankisa wrote:
The guy did 2 circles around the car, while holding his phone outstretched, you can see in the recording (obviously he's looking in the same direction he's filming) that she's turning the steering wheel to the side opposite of the one which she'd be turning if she wanted to run the fucker over, so this guy had this information, then he took a step closer to the car so he can put himself in a position where fascist boot lickers can pretend he was in danger and executed the woman who's last words were "I'm not mad at you", who was there, in her street after dropping her kid at school.
The guy wanted to kill her, put himself in the position, pulled the gun before the victim even started moving the car forward, caused her to panic and then executed her, immediately after, without dropping his phone he turns it to video the car going away and says "fucking bitch", and this guy comes here to explain how this lady, on her street, turning the wheel away from the piece of shit is more like Ashley Babbit who was trying to brake through a barricade while ignoring 10 commands to stop.
I mean, no wonder, it's the same guy explaining to us in the I/P thread how the 2 kids, 8 and 11 were justifiably killed because they could have been Hamas child soldiers and how killing them was the correct thing to do, so, you know, perhaps this is someone who automatically sides with the side that likes executing innocents. If I'm to understand you correctly, she hits him with her car while fleeing arrest, but that's ok because the federal officer can deduce in those fractions of a second how she's turning the wheel that she presents no danger to him (again, despite actually hitting him with her car)? I'm having a really hard time believing that you really think this. They're making eye contact and she drives forward into him. You can argue that she didn't intend that, but people are killed by vehicles that didn't intend to kill them all the time. Especially on icy roads. I look at that video and see that the officer was in very real danger. He wasn't even in front of the car until SHE REVERSED AT AN ANGLE. Perhaps unknowingly and perhaps thinking she could avoid the collision, she accelerated the car into him putting the officer's life in danger. And she waits until the agent is back in front of the car to make her escape. I really have a problem with anybody that calls this an execution. Whiles he's reversing (this is called a "3-point turn" not "attempted murder" btw in case you've never been in car before) you can literally see her saying on camera "That's fine dude, I'm not mad at you" very calmly and politely. I think her partner was recording the whole thing, so I'll wait for that video. Show nested quote +She is clearly not murderous or involved in a nefarious plot to kill ICE agents, and certainly not trying to get herself shot in front of her partner. She doesn't drive away until two guys jump out of the car and run at her yelling at her to get out and yanking on her door wildly escalating the situation for no reason. Two points on this. One, I didn't say nor intended to imply that she desired to kill somebody that day. I'm sure Trumpland is going to imply domestic terrorism, but the intent isn't there. Second, I think the other officers that approached to make this into an arrest did so at the wrong time and idiotically. This was avoidable from both her side and the other officers, but that doesn't affect whether it was legally justifiable. Show nested quote +I will remind you that ICE are not local police and do not have jurisdiction to warrantlessly harass US citizens for non-immigration crimes. Being in a parked car that is not blocking traffic (we have evidence that this is the case) calmly talking to people is not an obstruction of justice, it's at worst a parking ticket.
I think most of what you write here is contradicted by what I've read on the subject. The earliest videos show her stopped and parked in a lane perpendicular to the flow of traffic. Here's your reminder that the shorter video clips don't capture the totality of the interactions. If she was blocking traffic intending to obstruct ICE from detaining an individual, she could be arrested and tried for interfering/obstructing federal officers. ICE agents are still federal law enforcement officers, and you can absolutely be asked to leave your vehicle and detained for interfering with their operations.
Is shooting people accelerating toward you ever on the table in an NFL game? Should it be an option here? Is it the role of ICE to shoot people who accelerate?
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The car never accelerates towards him, he gets out of the way well before he fires and then continues to fire point blank into the person through their car door.
None of the agents bother investigating the person that was just shot and they evacuated the shooter quickly before investigators could attend the scene.
Its against their policy to fire at someone in a vehicle, its against policy to circle the outside of a car, and its against policy to not identify yourself when giving orders. Anyone looking at this incident and thinking its justified in any way is not a good person.
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I'm trying but failing to understand what point you are making.
TMI shut down in 2019 for economic reasons. Is it that weird they might try to start it back up again when economics shift?
Also, if fear and superstition about nuclear power are being suppressed, that doesn't really bother me.
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On January 10 2026 12:06 Sermokala wrote:
The car never accelerates towards him, he gets out of the way well before he fires and then continues to fire point blank into the person through their car door.
None of the agents bother investigating the person that was just shot and they evacuated the shooter quickly before investigators could attend the scene.
Its against their policy to fire at someone in a vehicle, its against policy to circle the outside of a car, and its against policy to not identify yourself when giving orders. Anyone looking at this incident and thinking its justified in any way is not a good person.
Right. Even if he hadn't unjustifiably killed an innocent woman, he still should be fired for breaking multiple rules/protocols.
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Is the Democratic leadership saying anything about the Greenlabd lunacy? I don’t understand why they don’t say that they will give it back when they are back in power if Trump take it by force. It would defuse the situation.
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On January 10 2026 13:26 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Is the Democratic leadership saying anything about the Greenlabd lunacy? I don’t understand why they don’t say that they will give it back when they are back in power if Trump take it by force. It would defuse the situation.
Will they also resurrect the dead?
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On January 10 2026 13:47 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2026 13:26 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Is the Democratic leadership saying anything about the Greenlabd lunacy? I don’t understand why they don’t say that they will give it back when they are back in power if Trump take it by force. It would defuse the situation. Will they also resurrect the dead?
No but i think it would render the whole project moot. I don’t think anyone would invest a dime mining and exploting a territory that will be given back to its owners in the years.
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On January 10 2026 13:26 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Is the Democratic leadership saying anything about the Greenlabd lunacy? I don’t understand why they don’t say that they will give it back when they are back in power if Trump take it by force. It would defuse the situation.
Not convinced the democratic party is able to win back power even with Trumps historically low approval ratings
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On January 10 2026 12:06 Sermokala wrote:
The car never accelerates towards him, he gets out of the way well before he fires and then continues to fire point blank into the person through their car door.
None of the agents bother investigating the person that was just shot and they evacuated the shooter quickly before investigators could attend the scene.
Its against their policy to fire at someone in a vehicle, its against policy to circle the outside of a car, and its against policy to not identify yourself when giving orders. Anyone looking at this incident and thinking its justified in any way is not a good person.
It is literally on video where he gets hit the by the car. You are behind on the narrative by about 24 hours. Don't hit the gas when people are in front of you, or you are being detained. The latest video only looks to justify the officer more. I agree, but in the opposite direction, that it's crazy anyone think that video swings it in the other direction. If you are irresponsible in a car around people without guns then you might just be a bad person. If you do it surrounded by people with guns, you might be a bad person and really, really dumb.
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On January 10 2026 15:14 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2026 12:06 Sermokala wrote:
The car never accelerates towards him, he gets out of the way well before he fires and then continues to fire point blank into the person through their car door.
None of the agents bother investigating the person that was just shot and they evacuated the shooter quickly before investigators could attend the scene.
Its against their policy to fire at someone in a vehicle, its against policy to circle the outside of a car, and its against policy to not identify yourself when giving orders. Anyone looking at this incident and thinking its justified in any way is not a good person. It is literally on video where he gets hit the by the car. You are behind on the narrative by about 24 hours. Don't hit the gas when people are in front of you, or you are being detained. The latest video only looks to justify the officer more. I agree, but in the opposite direction, that it's crazy anyone think that video swings it in the other direction. If you are irresponsible in a car around people without guns then you might just be a bad person. If you do it surrounded by people with guns, you might be a bad person and really, really dumb.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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Introvert: you deserve a shooting in the face when you slightly brush someone with your car.
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Again, had the agents done literally nothing then nothing would have happened. There’s a woman in a parked car doing nothing who explains that she plans to do nothing, then gunmen start menacing her and angrily telling her to move, then she starts to move only for one to approach the car from the front. It was a wholly ICE manufactured crisis. They didn’t thwart a terror plot or foil a burglary, they took a peaceful situation and killed a woman.
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On January 10 2026 15:47 KwarK wrote:
Again, had the agents done literally nothing then nothing would have happened. There’s a woman in a parked car doing nothing who explains that she plans to do nothing, then gunmen start menacing her and angrily telling her to move, then she starts to move only for one to approach the car from the front. It was a wholly ICE manufactured crisis. They didn’t thwart a terror plot or foil a burglary, they took a peaceful situation and killed a woman.
Ironically, had she actually ran over the dude she would still be alive probably.
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On January 10 2026 15:48 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2026 15:47 KwarK wrote:
Again, had the agents done literally nothing then nothing would have happened. There’s a woman in a parked car doing nothing who explains that she plans to do nothing, then gunmen start menacing her and angrily telling her to move, then she starts to move only for one to approach the car from the front. It was a wholly ICE manufactured crisis. They didn’t thwart a terror plot or foil a burglary, they took a peaceful situation and killed a woman. Ironically, had she actually ran over the dude she would still be alive probably.
It would have been legitimate self defence. She feared for her life.
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The republicans' line on this seems to be 'ignore what the video shows, just believe what we say instead' and, surprise surprise, all their supporters are immediately going for it.
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On January 10 2026 15:14 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2026 12:06 Sermokala wrote:
The car never accelerates towards him, he gets out of the way well before he fires and then continues to fire point blank into the person through their car door.
None of the agents bother investigating the person that was just shot and they evacuated the shooter quickly before investigators could attend the scene.
Its against their policy to fire at someone in a vehicle, its against policy to circle the outside of a car, and its against policy to not identify yourself when giving orders. Anyone looking at this incident and thinking its justified in any way is not a good person. It is literally on video where he gets hit the by the car. You are behind on the narrative by about 24 hours. Don't hit the gas when people are in front of you, or you are being detained. The latest video only looks to justify the officer more. I agree, but in the opposite direction, that it's crazy anyone think that video swings it in the other direction. If you are irresponsible in a car around people without guns then you might just be a bad person. If you do it surrounded by people with guns, you might be a bad person and really, really dumb.
Let's play a game. A car hits you. You're still standing and say "fucking bitch" at the dead person you shot multiple times on camera.
A) You're the victim of an antifa domestic terrorism plot
B) You were never really in danger and murdered a citizen
C) You're wildly unqualified for your job
D) Straight to jail, do not pass go or collect $200
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On January 10 2026 06:43 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2026 06:25 dyhb wrote:On January 10 2026 05:35 Jankisa wrote:
The guy did 2 circles around the car, while holding his phone outstretched, you can see in the recording (obviously he's looking in the same direction he's filming) that she's turning the steering wheel to the side opposite of the one which she'd be turning if she wanted to run the fucker over, so this guy had this information, then he took a step closer to the car so he can put himself in a position where fascist boot lickers can pretend he was in danger and executed the woman who's last words were "I'm not mad at you", who was there, in her street after dropping her kid at school.
The guy wanted to kill her, put himself in the position, pulled the gun before the victim even started moving the car forward, caused her to panic and then executed her, immediately after, without dropping his phone he turns it to video the car going away and says "fucking bitch", and this guy comes here to explain how this lady, on her street, turning the wheel away from the piece of shit is more like Ashley Babbit who was trying to brake through a barricade while ignoring 10 commands to stop.
I mean, no wonder, it's the same guy explaining to us in the I/P thread how the 2 kids, 8 and 11 were justifiably killed because they could have been Hamas child soldiers and how killing them was the correct thing to do, so, you know, perhaps this is someone who automatically sides with the side that likes executing innocents. If I'm to understand you correctly, she hits him with her car while fleeing arrest, but that's ok because the federal officer can deduce in those fractions of a second how she's turning the wheel that she presents no danger to him (again, despite actually hitting him with her car)? I'm having a really hard time believing that you really think this. They're making eye contact and she drives forward into him. You can argue that she didn't intend that, but people are killed by vehicles that didn't intend to kill them all the time. Especially on icy roads. I look at that video and see that the officer was in very real danger. He wasn't even in front of the car until SHE REVERSED AT AN ANGLE. Perhaps unknowingly and perhaps thinking she could avoid the collision, she accelerated the car into him putting the officer's life in danger. And she waits until the agent is back in front of the car to make her escape. I really have a problem with anybody that calls this an execution. Whiles he's reversing (this is called a "3-point turn" not "attempted murder" btw in case you've never been in car before) you can literally see her saying on camera "That's fine dude, I'm not mad at you" very calmly and politely. She is clearly not murderous or involved in a nefarious plot to kill ICE agents, and certainly not trying to get herself shot in front of her partner. She doesn't drive away until two guys jump out of the car and run at her yelling at her to get out and yanking on her door wildly escalating the situation for no reason.
The fact she was smiling or whatever doesn't give her a pass later. You need to watch more bodycam videos. People flip instantly, all the time. A few weeks ago you saw the Walmart shoplifter sitting calmly for a few minutes next to a girl suddenly pull a gun? You know how many people still just do go for the gun after "license and registration?" Ever see the one with the guy in the wheelchair who was in hospital custody who asks the cop for help getting back up and then completely bolts faster than the cop can catch him? Whether she was only trying to escape and didn't realize how big her own vehicle was, trying only to kill him, or trying to knock him over like a good resistance fighter on her way out escaping, the officer can't know that in one second.
Unfortunately for all of us, if enough people play the Darwin Olympics, there will eventually be winners.
On January 10 2026 06:43 decafchicken wrote:
I will remind you that ICE are not local police and do not have jurisdiction to warrantlessly harass US citizens for non-immigration crimes. Being in a parked car that is not blocking traffic (we have evidence that this is the case) calmly talking to people is not an obstruction of justice, it's at worst a parking ticket.
Nobody has jurisdiction to "harass" anyone. That's fine in theory but the street is not the place to adjudicate that. They are national law enforcement and have a right to be in the nation.
On January 10 2026 12:06 Sermokala wrote:
The car never accelerates towards him, he gets out of the way well before he fires and then continues to fire point blank into the person through their car door.
I find this sentence perplexing.
"The car never accelerates towards him, he gets out of the way."
When was he in the way, if the car didn't accelerate towards him? How could he have gotten out of the way of something that wasn't accelerating towards him?
Cars do not move laterally after all. He is standing in front of the car, the wheels spin in a forward gear, the vehicle hits, literally there is physical contact? Are you looking at one of the other agents instead and not seeing the continuity?
On January 10 2026 16:00 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2026 15:48 Luolis wrote:On January 10 2026 15:47 KwarK wrote:
Again, had the agents done literally nothing then nothing would have happened. There’s a woman in a parked car doing nothing who explains that she plans to do nothing, then gunmen start menacing her and angrily telling her to move, then she starts to move only for one to approach the car from the front. It was a wholly ICE manufactured crisis. They didn’t thwart a terror plot or foil a burglary, they took a peaceful situation and killed a woman. Ironically, had she actually ran over the dude she would still be alive probably. It would have been legitimate self defence. She feared for her life.
There are cases and precedent for self-defense at trial vs. law enforcement. They are as far as I know things like no-knock raids going bad when the person has no idea who is breaking in and thinks it's an intruder.
This is not one of those cases. The criteria is not you "say" you feared for your life. The criteria is not even you "feel" fear for your life. It has to be reasonable as well. A person who sees federal agents and is immediately whipped into terror doesn't thereby earn immunity for murder. (You can't buy an SUV and go bowling for federal agents with it and then say you're scared, sorry.) The fear has to be reasonable and it also can't be your own fault. For example you can't point a gun at a police officer and then shoot him because you thought he was about to kill you (for pointing a gun at him). Jumping onto a highway and shooting at cars because they're going 70mph and about to hit you? Not acceptable. Fortunately in the US, you're allowed to walk around parked cars so if she had flattened him apropos of nothing she'd be SOL at trial.
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Show nested quote +On January 10 2026 16:00 KwarK wrote:On January 10 2026 15:48 Luolis wrote:On January 10 2026 15:47 KwarK wrote:
Again, had the agents done literally nothing then nothing would have happened. There’s a woman in a parked car doing nothing who explains that she plans to do nothing, then gunmen start menacing her and angrily telling her to move, then she starts to move only for one to approach the car from the front. It was a wholly ICE manufactured crisis. They didn’t thwart a terror plot or foil a burglary, they took a peaceful situation and killed a woman. Ironically, had she actually ran over the dude she would still be alive probably. It would have been legitimate self defence. She feared for her life. There are cases and precedent for self-defense at trial vs. law enforcement. They are as far as I know things like no-knock raids going bad when the person has no idea who is breaking in and thinks it's an intruder. This is not one of those cases. The criteria is not you "say" you feared for your life. The criteria is not even you "feel" fear for your life. It has to be reasonable as well. A person who sees federal agents and is immediately whipped into terror doesn't thereby earn immunity for murder. (You can't buy an SUV and go bowling for federal agents with it and then say you're scared, sorry.) The fear has to be reasonable and it also can't be your own fault. For example you can't point a gun at a police officer and then shoot him because you thought he was about to kill you (for pointing a gun at him). Jumping onto a highway and shooting at cars because they're going 70mph and about to hit you? Not acceptable. Fortunately in the US, you're allowed to walk around parked cars so if she had flattened him apropos of nothing she'd be SOL at trial.
And the agent had no reason to fear for his life as any reasonable person would see. I'm glad you support him being put in prison for murder!
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On January 10 2026 16:48 oBlade wrote:
This is not one of those cases. The criteria is not you "say" you feared for your life. The criteria is not even you "feel" fear for your life. It has to be reasonable as well. A person who sees federal agents and is immediately whipped into terror doesn't thereby earn immunity for murder. (You can't buy an SUV and go bowling for federal agents with it and then say you're scared, sorry.) The fear has to be reasonable and it also can't be your own fault. For example you can't point a gun at a police officer and then shoot him because you thought he was about to kill you (for pointing a gun at him). Jumping onto a highway and shooting at cars because they're going 70mph and about to hit you? Not acceptable. Fortunately in the US, you're allowed to walk around parked cars so if she had flattened him apropos of nothing she'd be SOL at trial.
The criteria is whatever the fuck 12 people say it is and it's time that authorities were reminded of this.
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On January 10 2026 16:48 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2026 06:43 decafchicken wrote:On January 10 2026 06:25 dyhb wrote:On January 10 2026 05:35 Jankisa wrote:
The guy did 2 circles around the car, while holding his phone outstretched, you can see in the recording (obviously he's looking in the same direction he's filming) that she's turning the steering wheel to the side opposite of the one which she'd be turning if she wanted to run the fucker over, so this guy had this information, then he took a step closer to the car so he can put himself in a position where fascist boot lickers can pretend he was in danger and executed the woman who's last words were "I'm not mad at you", who was there, in her street after dropping her kid at school.
The guy wanted to kill her, put himself in the position, pulled the gun before the victim even started moving the car forward, caused her to panic and then executed her, immediately after, without dropping his phone he turns it to video the car going away and says "fucking bitch", and this guy comes here to explain how this lady, on her street, turning the wheel away from the piece of shit is more like Ashley Babbit who was trying to brake through a barricade while ignoring 10 commands to stop.
I mean, no wonder, it's the same guy explaining to us in the I/P thread how the 2 kids, 8 and 11 were justifiably killed because they could have been Hamas child soldiers and how killing them was the correct thing to do, so, you know, perhaps this is someone who automatically sides with the side that likes executing innocents. If I'm to understand you correctly, she hits him with her car while fleeing arrest, but that's ok because the federal officer can deduce in those fractions of a second how she's turning the wheel that she presents no danger to him (again, despite actually hitting him with her car)? I'm having a really hard time believing that you really think this. They're making eye contact and she drives forward into him. You can argue that she didn't intend that, but people are killed by vehicles that didn't intend to kill them all the time. Especially on icy roads. I look at that video and see that the officer was in very real danger. He wasn't even in front of the car until SHE REVERSED AT AN ANGLE. Perhaps unknowingly and perhaps thinking she could avoid the collision, she accelerated the car into him putting the officer's life in danger. And she waits until the agent is back in front of the car to make her escape. I really have a problem with anybody that calls this an execution. Whiles he's reversing (this is called a "3-point turn" not "attempted murder" btw in case you've never been in car before) you can literally see her saying on camera "That's fine dude, I'm not mad at you" very calmly and politely. She is clearly not murderous or involved in a nefarious plot to kill ICE agents, and certainly not trying to get herself shot in front of her partner. She doesn't drive away until two guys jump out of the car and run at her yelling at her to get out and yanking on her door wildly escalating the situation for no reason. The fact she was smiling or whatever doesn't give her a pass later. You need to watch more bodycam videos. People flip instantly, all the time. A few weeks ago you saw the Walmart shoplifter sitting calmly for a few minutes next to a girl suddenly pull a gun? You know how many people still just do go for the gun after "license and registration?" Ever see the one with the guy in the wheelchair who was in hospital custody who asks the cop for help getting back up and then completely bolts faster than the cop can catch him? Whether she was only trying to escape and didn't realize how big her own vehicle was, trying only to kill him, or trying to knock him over like a good resistance fighter on her way out escaping, the officer can't know that in one second. Unfortunately for all of us, if enough people play the Darwin Olympics, there will eventually be winners. Show nested quote +On January 10 2026 06:43 decafchicken wrote:
I will remind you that ICE are not local police and do not have jurisdiction to warrantlessly harass US citizens for non-immigration crimes. Being in a parked car that is not blocking traffic (we have evidence that this is the case) calmly talking to people is not an obstruction of justice, it's at worst a parking ticket.
Nobody has jurisdiction to "harass" anyone. That's fine in theory but the street is not the place to adjudicate that. They are national law enforcement and have a right to be in the nation. Show nested quote +On January 10 2026 12:06 Sermokala wrote:
The car never accelerates towards him, he gets out of the way well before he fires and then continues to fire point blank into the person through their car door. I find this sentence perplexing. "The car never accelerates towards him, he gets out of the way." When was he in the way, if the car didn't accelerate towards him? How could he have gotten out of the way of something that wasn't accelerating towards him? Cars do not move laterally after all. He is standing in front of the car, the wheels spin in a forward gear, the vehicle hits, literally there is physical contact? Are you looking at one of the other agents instead and not seeing the continuity? Show nested quote +On January 10 2026 16:00 KwarK wrote:On January 10 2026 15:48 Luolis wrote:On January 10 2026 15:47 KwarK wrote:
Again, had the agents done literally nothing then nothing would have happened. There’s a woman in a parked car doing nothing who explains that she plans to do nothing, then gunmen start menacing her and angrily telling her to move, then she starts to move only for one to approach the car from the front. It was a wholly ICE manufactured crisis. They didn’t thwart a terror plot or foil a burglary, they took a peaceful situation and killed a woman. Ironically, had she actually ran over the dude she would still be alive probably. It would have been legitimate self defence. She feared for her life. There are cases and precedent for self-defense at trial vs. law enforcement. They are as far as I know things like no-knock raids going bad when the person has no idea who is breaking in and thinks it's an intruder. This is not one of those cases. The criteria is not you "say" you feared for your life. The criteria is not even you "feel" fear for your life. It has to be reasonable as well. A person who sees federal agents and is immediately whipped into terror doesn't thereby earn immunity for murder. (You can't buy an SUV and go bowling for federal agents with it and then say you're scared, sorry.) The fear has to be reasonable and it also can't be your own fault. For example you can't point a gun at a police officer and then shoot him because you thought he was about to kill you (for pointing a gun at him). Jumping onto a highway and shooting at cars because they're going 70mph and about to hit you? Not acceptable. Fortunately in the US, you're allowed to walk around parked cars so if she had flattened him apropos of nothing she'd be SOL at trial.
Arguing a woman can't be scared for her life at two masked man running at her car yanking her door open while arguing that a man brushed by a moving car while he murders said driver is scared for is life is some gold medal mental gymnastics 👏 🥇
This sums up my thoughts on the matter. They're basically just trying to prove they can murder an unarmed white woman in the streets which gives them even more power:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTT7oQDjTgm/?igsh=eGI1bzNoeGtrdzlj
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