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decafchicken
United States20160 Posts
On January 10 2026 17:29 KwarK wrote: The criteria is whatever the fuck 12 people say it is and it's time that authorities were reminded of this. I miss the days of the 6th amendment. When we do America 2.0 we should have sort of bill of inalienable rights. | ||
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oBlade
United States6123 Posts
On January 10 2026 17:29 KwarK wrote: The criteria is whatever the fuck 12 people say it is and it's time that authorities were reminded of this. Trials aren't made up from thin air, my friend. Juries also have to decide based on law and evidence. They get instructions from judges based on statute and case law. Judges control what kind of defenses can be raised to begin with. Basically every state has "reasonable" somewhere in self-defense statutes or precedent. I don't know whether your tantrum is from just not knowing that or due to thinking it's wrong and the jury always gets the final say. Jury nullification? You don't want juries just making it up. For the same reason you wouldn't want them making it up to find an officer not guilty if the jury were 12 people who snuck in and kept their mouth shut until the foreman took the first vote and then all voted one way because they think "leftists deserve it" or something. | ||
KwarK
United States43987 Posts
On January 10 2026 18:02 oBlade wrote: Trials aren't made up from thin air, my friend. Juries also have to decide based on law and evidence. They get instructions from judges based on statute and case law. Judges control what kind of defenses can be raised to begin with. Basically every state has "reasonable" somewhere in self-defense statutes or precedent. I don't know whether your tantrum is from just not knowing that or due to thinking it's wrong and the jury always gets the final say. Jury nullification? You don't want juries just making it up. For the same reason you wouldn't want them making it up to find an officer not guilty if the jury were 12 people who snuck in and kept their mouth shut until the foreman took the first vote and then all voted one way because they think "leftists deserve it" or something. Conservatives are such fucking cucks. “Hold on let me just check with the government first to see if I’m allowed to defend myself against the government.” “Actually the government says you’re not allowed to not let them kill you.” “Well actually the judge said that although you are judging the merits of the case you have to do what he says.” | ||
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KwarK
United States43987 Posts
Conservatives miss having a king so badly. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5158 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22364 Posts
We are living in a world where the US will soon invade a direct ally, just because they can. Fuck me. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17743 Posts
On January 10 2026 19:19 Gorsameth wrote: To the surprise of probably no one the lack of international response to the US going to war of Venezuela and doing whatever they want means that Trump is stepping up the rhetoric on Greenland. We are living in a world where the US will soon invade a direct ally, just because they can. Fuck me. There was a response. Countries mostly condemned USA for the act and voiced their displeasure. What else would you like them to do? Declare war on the US immediately? | ||
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KwarK
United States43987 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22364 Posts
On January 10 2026 19:29 Manit0u wrote: When has voicing displeasure ever stopped an agressor?There was a response. Countries mostly condemned USA for the act and voiced their displeasure. What else would you like them to do? Declare war on the US immediately? Sanctions would be a start but what is needed is for a significant European taskforce to be send to Greenland because without a real deterrent I think Trump will absolutely invade. | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway764 Posts
That and Trumps willingness to do whatever the fuck he feels like. Best course of action is to do as little as possible until his term is over and you (hopefully) get someone sane in charge. If the European leaders were smart, they’d just give it to him if he sent the military into Ukraine and end the war. Then again perhaps it’s a good thing I’m not a state leader | ||
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Yurie
12087 Posts
On January 10 2026 20:04 Timebon3s wrote: Problem is that the US military is so incredibly far superior to everyone else combined. They can pretty much do whatever they want and get away with it. That and Trumps willingness to do whatever the fuck he feels like. Best course of action is to do as little as possible until his term is over and you (hopefully) get someone sane in charge. If the European leaders were smart, they’d just give it to him if he sent the military into Ukraine and end the war. Then again perhaps it’s a good thing I’m not a state leader US military is the strongest expeditionary military by far. Which means it can face other militaries in isolation. That does the carrying in your statement. https://armedforces.eu/compare/country_NATO_vs_USA Sure US spends more in $ but plenty of nations has a large PPP advantage which closes that gap. Especially if you were a land war focused military. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1151 Posts
Trump is representing the fearful america very well and him canceling the midterms over "Drugs or Terrorism or ..something" will just be another news story. I fully trust Putin on this one. "He who is fated to be hanged won't drown" Time to make GH the leader of the general strike force. | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway764 Posts
I thought all life was sacred, but cheering on ice for killing civilians is obviously totally fine. | ||
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pmh
1416 Posts
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Yurie
12087 Posts
On January 10 2026 22:40 Timebon3s wrote: Whatever happened to being «pro-life» anyway? I thought all life was sacred, but cheering on ice for killing civilians is obviously totally fine. As always, very few of them are pro-life in reality. When you ask them to adopt the baby if the parent cannot afford it or even pay for their time away from work and the hospital fees most balk. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22364 Posts
On January 10 2026 22:40 Timebon3s wrote: US pro-life (in general) was never pro life. Because they don't care what happens after they are born either.Whatever happened to being «pro-life» anyway? I thought all life was sacred, but cheering on ice for killing civilians is obviously totally fine. They are pro-forced birth. | ||
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farvacola
United States18857 Posts
On January 11 2026 00:20 Gorsameth wrote: US pro-life (in general) was never pro life. Because they don't care what happens after they are born either. They are pro-forced birth. There is a contingent of true pro lifers (mostly left Catholics) who actually consistently oppose stuff like war and the death penalty in addition to abortion, but they’ve dwindled into close to non-existence at this point. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22364 Posts
On January 11 2026 00:30 farvacola wrote: And those I respect. I have nothing against pro-life people who genuinely care about people at every age, their position makes sense.There is a contingent of true pro lifers (mostly left Catholics) who actually consistently oppose stuff like war and the death penalty in addition to abortion, but they’ve dwindled into close to non-existence at this point. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14123 Posts
How do I know this has been a recurring issue? they changed the use of force guidelines back in 2014 because they noticed so many were doing this to murder people. www.npr.org She was not the first to be murdered like this, she won't be the last. | ||
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Introvert
United States4951 Posts
On January 11 2026 00:43 Sermokala wrote: I assume introvert has been lied to and told the footage that was released was body cam footage. No that was the guys phone. He fumbled it as he got his gun out and started shooting. This is a known problem with border patrol officers where they will walk in front of a car in order to justify shooting the driver. the footage clearly shows that he saw the driver turning the wheel away from him, and then him getting out of the way. At no point does he identify himself as a federal agent or anyone identify themselves as one. How do I know this has been a recurring issue? they changed the use of force guidelines back in 2014 because they noticed so many were doing this to murder people. www.npr.org She was not the first to be murdered like this, she won't be the last. Not sure why I bother with you sometimes. I didn't say it was body cam footage. I wasn't "lied to," i can literally *watch* it. The officer is circling from one side of the car to the other, albeit slowly. She backs up like she's about to do a 3 pnt turn, and then, and here's the kicker, she puts it in drive and steps on the accelerator while he's still in front of her. That csn be illegal too btw, a car can be a weapon. And she hits him. If he didn't shoot who knows what happens. People are only doing this dumb "he was barely hurt" routine *because* she was stopped. People can disagree but, the videos seem to show, this woman knew she was interfering with federal law enforcement, if she was actually "trained" then she knew that was a crime for which ICE agents could arrest her. When they told her to get out of the car and one grabbed her door, her partner told her to "drive baby drive" and she foolishly did so with people surrounding her car. In the split second the officer had to decide what to do he did the only thing he could. It’s very sad, like I said. But if she didn't try to leave then she might be facing federal charges (which imo would have been dropped or she would have had a hung jury, juries in blue jurisdictions have gone nuts) and she'd be alive. Instead, she wanted to mess around with ICE agents (and, presumably in her mind, fascists) and yet thought that it was going to work out for her. The circumstances before and immediately leading to her death depend very heavily on the actions she took. But because she's protesting Nazis that's not allowed to be acknowledged except insofar as to say that that is just what happens when dealing with thug fascists. I reiterate my point from my previous posts. Don't drive into people, especially if those people have guns. | ||
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