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Manit0u

Poland17588 Posts

21 hours ago

#108501

She didn't hit him though. Also, this footage was clearly edited as there's a black screen for a moment and we don't see the moment of shooting (the guy taking this footage was the shooter after all).

Uldridge

Belgium5003 Posts

20 hours ago

#108502

Woman barely brushed him.
Introvert normalizing that fleeing is probable cause for being shot in the face. This is where we're at. Keep at it dude, maybe it'll start to sink in when it happens on your street. But who knows at this point.

Oleo

Netherlands280 Posts

20 hours ago

#108503

How deep people can sink, not talking about the morally bankrupt fascist supporters, but the gaming forum that allows this filth to be spread.

Sadist

United States7307 Posts

20 hours ago

#108504

On January 11 2026 02:35 Uldridge wrote:
Woman barely brushed him.
Introvert normalizing that fleeing is probable cause for being shot in the face. This is where we're at. Keep at it dude, maybe it'll start to sink in when it happens on your street. But who knows at this point.

They dont care.

I dont think they feel like it could happen to them. Empathy isnt their strong suit.

This shooter has about 20 years experience or so ive heard. No deescalation at all, he was itching to kill someone.

DarkPlasmaBall

United States45207 Posts

20 hours ago

#108505

On January 11 2026 02:35 Uldridge wrote:

Woman barely brushed him.
Introvert normalizing that fleeing is probable cause for being shot in the face. This is where we're at. Keep at it dude, maybe it'll start to sink in when it happens on your street. But who knows at this point.

Even worse: Woman barely brushed him after he disregarded protocol and walked in front of a turned-on/obviously-about-to-be-driven vehicle while his buddy tried to break in.

Uldridge

Belgium5003 Posts

20 hours ago

#108506

They're ICE and they can do whatever they want, Trump will make sure of that.

decafchicken

United States20105 Posts

20 hours ago

#108507

On January 11 2026 01:48 Introvert wrote:

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Not sure why I bother with you sometimes. I didn't say it was body cam footage. I wasn't "lied to," i can literally *watch* it. The officer is circling from one side of the car to the other, albeit slowly. She backs up like she's about to do a 3 pnt turn, and then, and here's the kicker, she puts it in drive and steps on the accelerator while he's still in front of her. That csn be illegal too btw, a car can be a weapon. And she hits him. If he didn't shoot who knows what happens. People are only doing this dumb "he was barely hurt" routine *because* she was stopped.

In what way did shooting her improve his outcomes compared to not wasting time pulling out his weapon and just moving out of the way faster?

GreenHorizons

United States23560 Posts

20 hours ago

#108508

On January 10 2026 20:22 KT_Elwood wrote:
America "normalizing" MAGA is so bizarre. So now ICE straight up shoots people, G7-Meeting gets moved, because mostly Naked oiled men will fight at the White House to entertain Trump at his birthday.

Trump is representing the fearful america very well and him canceling the midterms over "Drugs or Terrorism or ..something" will just be another news story.

I fully trust Putin on this one. "He who is fated to be hanged won't drown"

Time to make GH the leader of the general strike force.

I'm barely a "gold league" socialist so I think I'll pass. I just hope people realize whomever they choose to support/follow needs to be helluva lot better than me or Democrat leadership.

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On January 10 2026 06:15 GreenHorizons wrote:
I'm sincere when I say that sounds like it may be the most interesting discussion the Euro thread could be having.

As far as US politics, Schumer is already preemptively surrendering, while some Democrats call for using the only leverage they have.

Wasting time and energy crying about the Sartres isn't useful imo.

VHbb

691 Posts

19 hours ago

#108509

People that justify this do not *really* care about the dynamics of what happened, the rules, what would have been better or what should have been done: they are just OK (and in favor of) killing people that are opposing the current power in the US.
Why, the motivations, how we arrived here etc. can be complex - but ultimately I think we can look at this as: Trump and its military force can kill political opponents and generally people that show opposition. Many people are OK with this (they will find different justifications, etc.).

For these people (including the ones commenting here), yes, the shooting did improve the situation, because they killed a woman who was clearly "on the other side". It's as simple as this, I think.

It's very similar to what happened in Italy when fascism got to power.
From abroad I feel scared, angry, sad and hopeless: it's very difficult to envision a scenario in which there will be any kind of peaceful transition of power (on in general power dynamics and shifts) -- when one interpolates from the Capitol's assault to today -- and in which certain groups of people won't be the target of genocidal politics (I am thinking about trans folks for example).

Broetchenholer

Germany1948 Posts

19 hours ago

#108510

Can really not emphasize enough how sad it feels that Introvert feels the only way from dealing with a person driving away from you is to shoot them dead. Who knows what could have happened? I tell you, they issue an arrest for resisting a federal officer and she goes to jail if that is a thing. Yeah, cars can be weapons, that's why you get out of the way of the car. You do not even follow her, she can be identified by the license plate of her weapon, ahm, car. I am pretty sure if you are about to be run over, drawing your weapon, taking aim and shooting the person at you is the worst thing you could do because the dead person might actually hit you on accident and you lose time getting behind cover. If you don't hit the person enough you are still being run over because you waited for the car to hit you.

If you look at an armed officer the wrong way you are just asking to be killed is the saddest thing ever, especially from the side of the aisle that claims they need their guns against an oppressive state...

Luolis

Finland7153 Posts

18 hours ago

#108511

On January 10 2026 11:22 Luolis wrote:

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On January 10 2026 10:18 dyhb wrote:

On January 10 2026 06:29 Luolis wrote:

On January 10 2026 06:25 dyhb wrote:

On January 10 2026 05:35 Jankisa wrote:
The guy did 2 circles around the car, while holding his phone outstretched, you can see in the recording (obviously he's looking in the same direction he's filming) that she's turning the steering wheel to the side opposite of the one which she'd be turning if she wanted to run the fucker over, so this guy had this information, then he took a step closer to the car so he can put himself in a position where fascist boot lickers can pretend he was in danger and executed the woman who's last words were "I'm not mad at you", who was there, in her street after dropping her kid at school.

The guy wanted to kill her, put himself in the position, pulled the gun before the victim even started moving the car forward, caused her to panic and then executed her, immediately after, without dropping his phone he turns it to video the car going away and says "fucking bitch", and this guy comes here to explain how this lady, on her street, turning the wheel away from the piece of shit is more like Ashley Babbit who was trying to brake through a barricade while ignoring 10 commands to stop.

I mean, no wonder, it's the same guy explaining to us in the I/P thread how the 2 kids, 8 and 11 were justifiably killed because they could have been Hamas child soldiers and how killing them was the correct thing to do, so, you know, perhaps this is someone who automatically sides with the side that likes executing innocents.

If I'm to understand you correctly, she hits him with her car while fleeing arrest, but that's ok because the federal officer can deduce in those fractions of a second how she's turning the wheel that she presents no danger to him (again, despite actually hitting him with her car)?

I'm having a really hard time believing that you really think this. They're making eye contact and she drives forward into him. You can argue that she didn't intend that, but people are killed by vehicles that didn't intend to kill them all the time. Especially on icy roads. I look at that video and see that the officer was in very real danger. He wasn't even in front of the car until SHE REVERSED AT AN ANGLE. Perhaps unknowingly and perhaps thinking she could avoid the collision, she accelerated the car into him putting the officer's life in danger.

And she waits until the agent is back in front of the car to make her escape. I really have a problem with anybody that calls this an execution.

You can literally see her turning the wheel away from the ICE dude you dumb fuck. That was about as much of a dangerous situation for him as walking outside of my home door is for me.

If we're judging the video like an NFL review, I'd be on your side. We take a timeout, the Referees review the footage, and minutes later we have the determination. When you play the video at normal speed, he has fractions of a second to react to someone accelerating towards him. Sorry, I don't agree with you.

I fail to see the reason you're comparing her collision with the officer to you walking out your front door. Is your neighborhood especially dangerous?

Much like Ashley Babbitt that I mentioned earlier, it's still a tragedy that she died. I don't have to put on a big show about law enforcement executing her, and how this doesn't happen in other countries. I can still discuss her involvement in the circumstances of her death.

Ashli Babbitt was a traitor that died because she got conned by Don The Con into invading the capitol and trying to break through a glass door that was being defended by armed men who were supposed to be there. You would've been better off saying something about Charlie Kirk because atleast at the time of his death the worst he was doing was a racist dogwhistle.

Not drawing the moral comparison between Babbitt and Good, just the insanity of talking about speaking about this as an execution. Charlie Kirk died sitting in his chair talking, not sitting behind the wheel driving into his audience.

On January 10 2026 06:37 LightSpectra wrote:
"Dumb fuck" is too kind. Do you (dyhb) aggressively gaslight people in real life like this too, or is lying to defend extrajudicial murder just what you do as a hobby on the Internet?

If we're all adults here, we can watch the same video and come to different conclusions about it. I watched it and saw a reasonable belief that he would die or suffer serious injury when she accelerated into him.

At some point, you have to accept that some people both disagree with you and aren't also playing psychological tricks on you.

On January 10 2026 06:43 decafchicken wrote:

On January 10 2026 06:25 dyhb wrote:

Whiles he's reversing (this is called a "3-point turn" not "attempted murder" btw in case you've never been in car before) you can literally see her saying on camera "That's fine dude, I'm not mad at you" very calmly and politely.

I think her partner was recording the whole thing, so I'll wait for that video.

She is clearly not murderous or involved in a nefarious plot to kill ICE agents, and certainly not trying to get herself shot in front of her partner. She doesn't drive away until two guys jump out of the car and run at her yelling at her to get out and yanking on her door wildly escalating the situation for no reason.

Two points on this. One, I didn't say nor intended to imply that she desired to kill somebody that day. I'm sure Trumpland is going to imply domestic terrorism, but the intent isn't there. Second, I think the other officers that approached to make this into an arrest did so at the wrong time and idiotically. This was avoidable from both her side and the other officers, but that doesn't affect whether it was legally justifiable.

I will remind you that ICE are not local police and do not have jurisdiction to warrantlessly harass US citizens for non-immigration crimes. Being in a parked car that is not blocking traffic (we have evidence that this is the case) calmly talking to people is not an obstruction of justice, it's at worst a parking ticket.

I think most of what you write here is contradicted by what I've read on the subject. The earliest videos show her stopped and parked in a lane perpendicular to the flow of traffic. Here's your reminder that the shorter video clips don't capture the totality of the interactions. If she was blocking traffic intending to obstruct ICE from detaining an individual, she could be arrested and tried for interfering/obstructing federal officers. ICE agents are still federal law enforcement officers, and you can absolutely be asked to leave your vehicle and detained for interfering with their operations.

I've been arguing about this enough today so i'll end up with the important bulletpoints on this.

The issue here is that its a bad look to focus on what she couldve maybe done better, when the sole focus of the discussion should be that;

A: ICE shouldnt be there in the first place
B: the shooting was unjustified and basically an extrajudicial execution
C: the government of the united states is defending the guy and smearing the victim as a psychotic domestic terrorist who almost killed the agent
D: the killer will face no repercussions whatsoever

Quoting myself because going into the weeds about "should Renee Good have done something better" is a pointless discussion.

oBlade

United States5812 Posts

18 hours ago

#108512

On January 11 2026 00:43 Sermokala wrote:
I assume introvert has been lied to and told the footage that was released was body cam footage. No that was the guys phone. He fumbled it as he got his gun out and started shooting. This is a known problem with border patrol officers where they will walk in front of a car in order to justify shooting the driver. the footage clearly shows that he saw the driver turning the wheel away from him, and then him getting out of the way. At no point does he identify himself as a federal agent or anyone identify themselves as one.

At no point? Anyone? The woman and her wife, members of Minnesota ICE Watch ("Resisting Against ICE, Police, & All Colonial Militarized Regimes"), who had driven there specifically to interfere and obstruct federal agents, and who parked and had one get out to have a video recording competition with the men wearing law enforcement insignia from the truck with police lights, had no way of knowing who the strange men were. They could have been literally anybody.

Interesting is since he came around the right of the vehicle, when she backed up to the left she centered him MORE.

On January 11 2026 03:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:

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Even worse: Woman barely brushed him after he disregarded protocol and walked in front of a turned-on/obviously-about-to-be-driven vehicle while his buddy tried to break in.

Lesson: If you are the pilot of an about-to-be-driven vehicle and a federal agent or other human is in front of the vehicle, maybe reconsider the choice to drive towards/into said human. Especially if they're federal agents telling you to get out of the vehicle. Great way to deescalate is take the keys out of the ignition.

Uldridge

Belgium5003 Posts

18 hours ago

#108513

She can't learn her lesson anymore now, can she?

Also, I'm curious, what is the actual lesson here? They can wield their power to kill as they please, if you don't comply? If that's the case, ICE is starting to come awefully close to the SS.

VHbb

691 Posts

17 hours ago

#108514

I don't think it's really useful to discuss too much with these people (oBlade, others)
They are OK and happy with ICE killing people - so it will always be justified, it's not a logical discussion.

They would have been happy if ICE would kill people at rallies, or in any other circumstance, as long as the people being killed are the ones opposing the current regime.
They will be happy and OK with it when it will happen.
They are happy when Israel kills tens of thousands of civilians, it's the same here.
(yea they will find some internal justification of course)

It's a bit like if in 1924 in Italy you had an internet forum open to anybody and you were arguing with a fascist that the black shirts should not have killed someone.
Fascists and people resisting fascisms don't usually debate and come to an agreement: at some point fascists start to shot the resistance, and hold power with violence - which is what is happening.

Acrofales

Spain18178 Posts

17 hours ago

#108515

Kwark said what needed to be said about 3 pages back. You don't argue with the secret police. And everything oBlade and Introvert have said so far just reinforces the idea that ICE definitely is the secret police, and that their actions need no justification because by merit of them doing them they were the right actions.

KwarK

United States43430 Posts

17 hours ago

#108516

In any other country she would still be alive.

Luolis

Finland7153 Posts

16 hours ago

#108517

On January 11 2026 05:46 VHbb wrote:
I don't think it's really useful to discuss too much with these people (oBlade, others)
They are OK and happy with ICE killing people - so it will always be justified, it's not a logical discussion.

They would have been happy if ICE would kill people at rallies, or in any other circumstance, as long as the people being killed are the ones opposing the current regime.
They will be happy and OK with it when it will happen.
They are happy when Israel kills tens of thousands of civilians, it's the same here.
(yea they will find some internal justification of course)

It's a bit like if in 1924 in Italy you had an internet forum open to anybody and you were arguing with a fascist that the black shirts should not have killed someone.
Fascists and people resisting fascisms don't usually debate and come to an agreement: at some point fascists start to shot the resistance, and hold power with violence - which is what is happening.

The irony of course is that with their logic the capitol police should've just let it rip into the crowd at january 6. Of course they wouldve been super incensed by it. That was hell of a lot more threatening than this woman trying to drive past an ice agent.

Vivax

22136 Posts

15 hours ago

#108518

On January 11 2026 05:55 Acrofales wrote:
Kwark said what needed to be said about 3 pages back. You don't argue with the secret police. And everything oBlade and Introvert have said so far just reinforces the idea that ICE definitely is the secret police, and that their actions need no justification because by merit of them doing them they were the right actions.

Surely there‘s other secret police that existed before ICE, even in other countries.
Can‘t argue with any of them. That‘s why they‘re secret.

You can argue with ICE because they‘re not secret, at least while clad in teflon.

Acrofales

Spain18178 Posts

15 hours ago

#108519

On January 11 2026 08:08 Vivax wrote:

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Your English must be failing you. The secret police aren't secret at all. The Gestapo had officers in uniforms. Stasi had officers in uniforms. The politic-social brigade (Francoist Spain) had officers in uniform. The Iranian Revolutionary Guard has officers in uniform. The fact that they are called secret police doesn't mean they're actually secret. It refers to the fact that they are a supra-legal entity whose methods are above the law (and thus "secret"). I don't think I'd try arguing with any of them.