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Manit0u
Poland17695 Posts
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Uldridge
Belgium5068 Posts
Introvert normalizing that fleeing is probable cause for being shot in the face. This is where we're at. Keep at it dude, maybe it'll start to sink in when it happens on your street. But who knows at this point. | ||
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Oleo
Netherlands280 Posts
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Sadist
United States7326 Posts
On January 11 2026 02:35 Uldridge wrote: Woman barely brushed him. Introvert normalizing that fleeing is probable cause for being shot in the face. This is where we're at. Keep at it dude, maybe it'll start to sink in when it happens on your street. But who knows at this point. They dont care. I dont think they feel like it could happen to them. Empathy isnt their strong suit. This shooter has about 20 years experience or so ive heard. No deescalation at all, he was itching to kill someone. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45367 Posts
On January 11 2026 02:35 Uldridge wrote: Woman barely brushed him. Introvert normalizing that fleeing is probable cause for being shot in the face. This is where we're at. Keep at it dude, maybe it'll start to sink in when it happens on your street. But who knows at this point. Even worse: Woman barely brushed him after he disregarded protocol and walked in front of a turned-on/obviously-about-to-be-driven vehicle while his buddy tried to break in. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5068 Posts
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decafchicken
United States20154 Posts
On January 11 2026 01:48 Introvert wrote: Not sure why I bother with you sometimes. I didn't say it was body cam footage. I wasn't "lied to," i can literally *watch* it. The officer is circling from one side of the car to the other, albeit slowly. She backs up like she's about to do a 3 pnt turn, and then, and here's the kicker, she puts it in drive and steps on the accelerator while he's still in front of her. That csn be illegal too btw, a car can be a weapon. And she hits him. If he didn't shoot who knows what happens. People are only doing this dumb "he was barely hurt" routine *because* she was stopped. In what way did shooting her improve his outcomes compared to not wasting time pulling out his weapon and just moving out of the way faster? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23732 Posts
On January 10 2026 20:22 KT_Elwood wrote: America "normalizing" MAGA is so bizarre. So now ICE straight up shoots people, G7-Meeting gets moved, because mostly Naked oiled men will fight at the White House to entertain Trump at his birthday. Trump is representing the fearful america very well and him canceling the midterms over "Drugs or Terrorism or ..something" will just be another news story. I fully trust Putin on this one. "He who is fated to be hanged won't drown" Time to make GH the leader of the general strike force. I'm barely a "gold league" socialist so I think I'll pass. I just hope people realize whomever they choose to support/follow needs to be helluva lot better than me or Democrat leadership. + Show Spoiler + On January 10 2026 06:15 GreenHorizons wrote: I'm sincere when I say that sounds like it may be the most interesting discussion the Euro thread could be having. As far as US politics, Schumer is already preemptively surrendering, while some Democrats call for using the only leverage they have. Wasting time and energy crying about the Sartres isn't useful imo. | ||
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VHbb
692 Posts
Why, the motivations, how we arrived here etc. can be complex - but ultimately I think we can look at this as: Trump and its military force can kill political opponents and generally people that show opposition. Many people are OK with this (they will find different justifications, etc.). For these people (including the ones commenting here), yes, the shooting did improve the situation, because they killed a woman who was clearly "on the other side". It's as simple as this, I think. It's very similar to what happened in Italy when fascism got to power. From abroad I feel scared, angry, sad and hopeless: it's very difficult to envision a scenario in which there will be any kind of peaceful transition of power (on in general power dynamics and shifts) -- when one interpolates from the Capitol's assault to today -- and in which certain groups of people won't be the target of genocidal politics (I am thinking about trans folks for example). | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1955 Posts
If you look at an armed officer the wrong way you are just asking to be killed is the saddest thing ever, especially from the side of the aisle that claims they need their guns against an oppressive state... | ||
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Luolis
Finland7160 Posts
On January 10 2026 11:22 Luolis wrote: I've been arguing about this enough today so i'll end up with the important bulletpoints on this. The issue here is that its a bad look to focus on what she couldve maybe done better, when the sole focus of the discussion should be that; A: ICE shouldnt be there in the first place B: the shooting was unjustified and basically an extrajudicial execution C: the government of the united states is defending the guy and smearing the victim as a psychotic domestic terrorist who almost killed the agent D: the killer will face no repercussions whatsoever Quoting myself because going into the weeds about "should Renee Good have done something better" is a pointless discussion. | ||
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oBlade
United States5955 Posts
On January 11 2026 00:43 Sermokala wrote: I assume introvert has been lied to and told the footage that was released was body cam footage. No that was the guys phone. He fumbled it as he got his gun out and started shooting. This is a known problem with border patrol officers where they will walk in front of a car in order to justify shooting the driver. the footage clearly shows that he saw the driver turning the wheel away from him, and then him getting out of the way. At no point does he identify himself as a federal agent or anyone identify themselves as one. At no point? Anyone? The woman and her wife, members of Minnesota ICE Watch ("Resisting Against ICE, Police, & All Colonial Militarized Regimes"), who had driven there specifically to interfere and obstruct federal agents, and who parked and had one get out to have a video recording competition with the men wearing law enforcement insignia from the truck with police lights, had no way of knowing who the strange men were. They could have been literally anybody. Interesting is since he came around the right of the vehicle, when she backed up to the left she centered him MORE. On January 11 2026 03:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Even worse: Woman barely brushed him after he disregarded protocol and walked in front of a turned-on/obviously-about-to-be-driven vehicle while his buddy tried to break in. Lesson: If you are the pilot of an about-to-be-driven vehicle and a federal agent or other human is in front of the vehicle, maybe reconsider the choice to drive towards/into said human. Especially if they're federal agents telling you to get out of the vehicle. Great way to deescalate is take the keys out of the ignition. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5068 Posts
Also, I'm curious, what is the actual lesson here? They can wield their power to kill as they please, if you don't comply? If that's the case, ICE is starting to come awefully close to the SS. | ||
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VHbb
692 Posts
They are OK and happy with ICE killing people - so it will always be justified, it's not a logical discussion. They would have been happy if ICE would kill people at rallies, or in any other circumstance, as long as the people being killed are the ones opposing the current regime. They will be happy and OK with it when it will happen. They are happy when Israel kills tens of thousands of civilians, it's the same here. (yea they will find some internal justification of course) It's a bit like if in 1924 in Italy you had an internet forum open to anybody and you were arguing with a fascist that the black shirts should not have killed someone. Fascists and people resisting fascisms don't usually debate and come to an agreement: at some point fascists start to shot the resistance, and hold power with violence - which is what is happening. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18240 Posts
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KwarK
United States43728 Posts
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Luolis
Finland7160 Posts
On January 11 2026 05:46 VHbb wrote: I don't think it's really useful to discuss too much with these people (oBlade, others) They are OK and happy with ICE killing people - so it will always be justified, it's not a logical discussion. They would have been happy if ICE would kill people at rallies, or in any other circumstance, as long as the people being killed are the ones opposing the current regime. They will be happy and OK with it when it will happen. They are happy when Israel kills tens of thousands of civilians, it's the same here. (yea they will find some internal justification of course) It's a bit like if in 1924 in Italy you had an internet forum open to anybody and you were arguing with a fascist that the black shirts should not have killed someone. Fascists and people resisting fascisms don't usually debate and come to an agreement: at some point fascists start to shot the resistance, and hold power with violence - which is what is happening. The irony of course is that with their logic the capitol police should've just let it rip into the crowd at january 6. Of course they wouldve been super incensed by it. That was hell of a lot more threatening than this woman trying to drive past an ice agent. | ||
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Vivax
22245 Posts
On January 11 2026 05:55 Acrofales wrote: Kwark said what needed to be said about 3 pages back. You don't argue with the secret police. And everything oBlade and Introvert have said so far just reinforces the idea that ICE definitely is the secret police, and that their actions need no justification because by merit of them doing them they were the right actions. Surely there‘s other secret police that existed before ICE, even in other countries. Can‘t argue with any of them. That‘s why they‘re secret. You can argue with ICE because they‘re not secret, at least while clad in teflon. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18240 Posts
On January 11 2026 08:08 Vivax wrote: Surely there‘s other secret police that existed before ICE, even in other countries. Can‘t argue with any of them. That‘s why they‘re secret. You can argue with ICE because they‘re not secret, at least while clad in teflon. Your English must be failing you. The secret police aren't secret at all. The Gestapo had officers in uniforms. Stasi had officers in uniforms. The politic-social brigade (Francoist Spain) had officers in uniform. The Iranian Revolutionary Guard has officers in uniform. The fact that they are called secret police doesn't mean they're actually secret. It refers to the fact that they are a supra-legal entity whose methods are above the law (and thus "secret"). I don't think I'd try arguing with any of them. | ||
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Vivax
22245 Posts
On January 11 2026 08:21 Acrofales wrote: Your English must be failing you. The secret police aren't secret at all. The Gestapo had officers in uniforms. Stasi had officers in uniforms. The politic-social brigade (Francoist Spain) had officers in uniform. The Iranian Revolutionary Guard has officers in uniform. The fact that they are called secret police doesn't mean they're actually secret. It refers to the fact that they are a supra-legal entity whose methods are above the law (and thus "secret"). I don't think I'd try arguing with any of them. Yeah, because in this day and age you‘d see them standing around in uniforms and not behind some monitor. Must be an English issue, my bad. | ||
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