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On July 04 2026 02:58 Jankisa wrote:
I am generally very pro-Trans and very pro-Abortion. I don't think I'm qualified or that I should be prosecuting my beliefs regarding this because it's not my place and any discussion of "well, life begins at inception" and "well, intersex people have advantages" just gives credence to people who are anti those things.
40 years ago it was "can animals be gay, is being gay natural" and millions of bigots used these "discussions" to drag people down into the mud with them in order to prevent progress.
30 years ago it was "can gay people rise children, won't other children be cruel to them".
20 years ago (at least in my country) it was "why is there no straight pride, why do they get to parade around", into "we are religious and marriage is between a man and a woman".
10 years ago we had "won't these trans people harass women and girls in their bathrooms".
We are now at "is it really fair to let them play sports".
Every step of the way the conservatives were using these issues to have people who are generally tolerant and good get lost in these stupid discussions in order to distract them from real issues.
Sicking people at each other and having them waste energy arguing over bullshit is how we lose, "trans men/women are women/men" is the only valid answer to these assholes, same as "gay people are normal and should have all rights anyone else has", it's incredible to me that you don't see that.
And before you or any of the others say "but if ‘trans men/women are women/men’ does that mean that they should be let to play sports" the only valid answer is who gives a fuck leave that to the school/organization. Period.
I am generally very pro-Trans and very pro-Abortion. I don't think I'm qualified or that I should be prosecuting my beliefs regarding this because it's not my place and any discussion of "well, life begins at inception" and "well, intersex people have advantages" just gives credence to people who are anti those things.
40 years ago it was "can animals be gay, is being gay natural" and millions of bigots used these "discussions" to drag people down into the mud with them in order to prevent progress.
30 years ago it was "can gay people rise children, won't other children be cruel to them".
20 years ago (at least in my country) it was "why is there no straight pride, why do they get to parade around", into "we are religious and marriage is between a man and a woman".
10 years ago we had "won't these trans people harass women and girls in their bathrooms".
We are now at "is it really fair to let them play sports".
Every step of the way the conservatives were using these issues to have people who are generally tolerant and good get lost in these stupid discussions in order to distract them from real issues.
Sicking people at each other and having them waste energy arguing over bullshit is how we lose, "trans men/women are women/men" is the only valid answer to these assholes, same as "gay people are normal and should have all rights anyone else has", it's incredible to me that you don't see that.
And before you or any of the others say "but if ‘trans men/women are women/men’ does that mean that they should be let to play sports" the only valid answer is who gives a fuck leave that to the school/organization. Period.
Unfortunately, I kind agree with Wombat on thise one. I think most people on the left, and certainly most people vaguely left leaning here do have the general attitude towards conservative issues regarding trans, gay, body autonomy of: "Why the fuck are we wasting breath, time and, god forbid, legislative energy discussing this, just let people do what they want with their own bodies and sleep with and/or marry whichever consenting adults they choose, and do whatever they want to their dangly bits, pray or critisize whichever imaginary magic being they want, this is not a worthwhile application of politics". We'd gladly leave it at that and far prefer to be discussing economic, political and other power disparities, because those inevitably result in the powerful imposing their wants onto others, and taking away the less powerful people's ability to choose those to what they want, including on the above.
The problem is, conservatives are not a monolith. For some of them: legislating what people can do with their bodies, who they can marry and enshrining religious ideas into law, education etc ARE their primary interest in politics. It's so important to them that they will go to the immense effort and time to get on those incredibly boring and tedious school boards, glad-hand their way onto equally boring and tedious sporting legislation bodies, and form equally boring and tedious political action groups specifically to do this.
While we would like to say, 'lets not waste time and effort on these trivial things', the truth is not engaging in the conservatives on these (not specifically here on some random gaming forum) would be just conceding that ground.
