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On September 18 2025 22:15 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2025 21:49 Uldridge wrote:On September 18 2025 21:42 KT_Elwood wrote:
Conservatives work on the assumption that the worst thing they can think of to do to their opposition, will be done by them "when they are in charge".
But then progressive people don't do it and getting laughed at for being weak. They get laughed at for being too weak and they get scolded for being too brazen. This is classic doublethink chokeholding. This is what post modernist conservatism looks like. This is their new superweapon and whild they control all the media narratives we have a chump in the thread here saying (not you who I'm quoting) that we can wake less politicized people up. Lol, lmao even. So what’s your prescription? You seem to want to just cynically shoot down everything else attempted, what’s your big idea?
Not Uldridge, but i am honestly just stumped. What the right is doing seems to be some kind of memetic hazard that just breaks society and makes rightwing people incapable of reacting to the obvious badness of what is happening when it is their side doing the bad stuff.
It shouldn't be working, people should see through it, people shouldn't accept it. It is so absurdly obviously bad. But it works. And thus all of the normal ways of dealing with this kind of shit don't work. Because they are based on showing how bad it is, and people then reacting to that badness. But it is already obviously bad, and people don't react. So we keep on repeatedly showing how bad it is in the hope that it will eventually change things, because that is how things used to work. If you did too much too bad stuff, your people drop you, and you get removed.
The difficulty was showing that you did too much too bad stuff, but once you got that done, stuff happened.
At this point, basically my only hope is that someone manages to find a saner variant of that memetic hazard that moves society back towards some kind of factual reality. Or for the postfactual insanity to crash so horribly hard that something else takes its place, ideally not something even worse.
Here in europe, i mostly hope that the complete insanity doesn't completely move over. It is already partially doing that, and gaining ever more power. But maybe if the US crashes and burns, people here will notice what is happening to prevent it in time.
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On September 18 2025 22:55 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2025 20:35 Elroi wrote:
There are so many parallels between this and the George Floyd situation, down to people on the left sarcastically talking about "Saint Kirk" (people on the right often mockingly refer to "Saint George") and the big kerfuffle about the minute of silence in the EU for either the right's or the left's saint. Kirk was killed by a lunatic. Everyone condemned the crime.Floyd was murdered by a police officer in plain sight over 9 agonizing minutes, and the right absolutely shat on him. Which is something that happens regularly to little or no consequences for the officers. Tell me, what’s the parallel again?
The bolded is just not remotely true.
I agree with the rest of your post entirely, but that’s just not close to being accurate.
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On September 18 2025 23:17 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2025 22:55 Biff The Understudy wrote:On September 18 2025 20:35 Elroi wrote:
There are so many parallels between this and the George Floyd situation, down to people on the left sarcastically talking about "Saint Kirk" (people on the right often mockingly refer to "Saint George") and the big kerfuffle about the minute of silence in the EU for either the right's or the left's saint. Kirk was killed by a lunatic. Everyone condemned the crime.Floyd was murdered by a police officer in plain sight over 9 agonizing minutes, and the right absolutely shat on him. Which is something that happens regularly to little or no consequences for the officers. Tell me, what’s the parallel again? The bolded is just not remotely true. I agree with the rest of your post entirely, but that’s just not close to being accurate.
So Democrats and the left are held responsible for random people, bots, and trolls on social media but the Republicans arent? What elected democrat said or posted that they were OK with and encouraged the crime?
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On September 18 2025 23:26 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2025 23:17 WombaT wrote:On September 18 2025 22:55 Biff The Understudy wrote:On September 18 2025 20:35 Elroi wrote:
There are so many parallels between this and the George Floyd situation, down to people on the left sarcastically talking about "Saint Kirk" (people on the right often mockingly refer to "Saint George") and the big kerfuffle about the minute of silence in the EU for either the right's or the left's saint. Kirk was killed by a lunatic. Everyone condemned the crime.Floyd was murdered by a police officer in plain sight over 9 agonizing minutes, and the right absolutely shat on him. Which is something that happens regularly to little or no consequences for the officers. Tell me, what’s the parallel again? The bolded is just not remotely true. I agree with the rest of your post entirely, but that’s just not close to being accurate. So Democrats and the left are held responsible for random people, bots, and trolls on social media but the Republicans arent? What elected democrat said or posted that they were OK with and encouraged the crime?
I think he meant everyone besides the elected officials. A lot of celebrities and peasants celebrated. Dems took the measured response.
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United States43448 Posts
On September 18 2025 23:17 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2025 22:55 Biff The Understudy wrote:On September 18 2025 20:35 Elroi wrote:
There are so many parallels between this and the George Floyd situation, down to people on the left sarcastically talking about "Saint Kirk" (people on the right often mockingly refer to "Saint George") and the big kerfuffle about the minute of silence in the EU for either the right's or the left's saint. Kirk was killed by a lunatic. Everyone condemned the crime.Floyd was murdered by a police officer in plain sight over 9 agonizing minutes, and the right absolutely shat on him. Which is something that happens regularly to little or no consequences for the officers. Tell me, what’s the parallel again? The bolded is just not remotely true. I agree with the rest of your post entirely, but that’s just not close to being accurate.
Even I don't like that the teams are now shooting each other. I just understand how we got here and place what happened in the appropriate context.
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I know of no celebrities who celebrated this.
Unfortunately the right has established that anything other then absolute praising of the deceased is celebrating. I'm sure that despite all of my posts in this thread saying that CK did not deserve to die and that I don't condone political violence at all would take my posts pointing out fucked up shit he was saying as celebrating his death.
That, to me, is their magic touch, the special ingredient of fascism, they, with the help of the media who either doesn't know how to deal with it or are complicit are able to shape the narrative, they keep flinging shit at the wall until some of it sticks and from then on it's just the established narrative.
It happened with Russiagate, it happened with the Muller report interpretation, it happened with January 6th and the fucking documents and the tax investigation, all of it became "lawfare" and you can see our resident fascist boot lickers bring it up with absolute belief that they have the facts.
The worse cancellations during the hay day of "Cancel culture" were things like Democrats canceling Al Franken, but the right will still insist that random twitter accounts digging up shit from peoples past and getting them fired = "the left".
I can guarantee you that despite this whole shitstorm of them getting people fired, VP calling for people to report on others and get them fired, POTUS getting a late night host fired they will still pretend they are the cancel culture victims.
Because they don't care. Que the Satre quote.
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On September 18 2025 23:26 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2025 23:17 WombaT wrote:On September 18 2025 22:55 Biff The Understudy wrote:On September 18 2025 20:35 Elroi wrote:
There are so many parallels between this and the George Floyd situation, down to people on the left sarcastically talking about "Saint Kirk" (people on the right often mockingly refer to "Saint George") and the big kerfuffle about the minute of silence in the EU for either the right's or the left's saint. Kirk was killed by a lunatic. Everyone condemned the crime.Floyd was murdered by a police officer in plain sight over 9 agonizing minutes, and the right absolutely shat on him. Which is something that happens regularly to little or no consequences for the officers. Tell me, what’s the parallel again? The bolded is just not remotely true. I agree with the rest of your post entirely, but that’s just not close to being accurate. So Democrats and the left are held responsible for random people, bots, and trolls on social media but the Republicans arent? What elected democrat said or posted that they were OK with and encouraged the crime?
Biff said ‘everyone condemned the crime’
This is not remotely true. I’m not making a value judgement either way, but that statement is errant nonsense.
If they had said ‘elected Democrats have roundly condemned Kirk’s death’, that would seem to me pretty accurate from what I have seen.
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On September 18 2025 23:14 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2025 22:15 WombaT wrote:On September 18 2025 21:49 Uldridge wrote:On September 18 2025 21:42 KT_Elwood wrote:
Conservatives work on the assumption that the worst thing they can think of to do to their opposition, will be done by them "when they are in charge".
But then progressive people don't do it and getting laughed at for being weak. They get laughed at for being too weak and they get scolded for being too brazen. This is classic doublethink chokeholding. This is what post modernist conservatism looks like. This is their new superweapon and whild they control all the media narratives we have a chump in the thread here saying (not you who I'm quoting) that we can wake less politicized people up. Lol, lmao even. So what’s your prescription? You seem to want to just cynically shoot down everything else attempted, what’s your big idea? Not Uldridge, but i am honestly just stumped. What the right is doing seems to be some kind of memetic hazard that just breaks society and makes rightwing people incapable of reacting to the obvious badness of what is happening when it is their side doing the bad stuff. It shouldn't be working, people should see through it, people shouldn't accept it. It is so absurdly obviously bad. But it works. And thus all of the normal ways of dealing with this kind of shit don't work. Because they are based on showing how bad it is, and people then reacting to that badness. But it is already obviously bad, and people don't react. So we keep on repeatedly showing how bad it is in the hope that it will eventually change things, because that is how things used to work. If you did too much too bad stuff, your people drop you, and you get removed. The difficulty was showing that you did too much too bad stuff, but once you got that done, stuff happened. At this point, basically my only hope is that someone manages to find a saner variant of that memetic hazard that moves society back towards some kind of factual reality. Or for the postfactual insanity to crash so horribly hard that something else takes its place, ideally not something even worse. Here in europe, i mostly hope that the complete insanity doesn't completely move over. It is already partially doing that, and gaining ever more power. But maybe if the US crashes and burns, people here will notice what is happening to prevent it in time.
Social media and the mediasphere as a whole needs to be severely reconfigured. No more algorithms that only feed people into specific spheres of content, no more massive media conglomerates, much more stringent standards on official media content. More prevention of dangerous misinformation and hate speech.
The free market hit us like a fucking dump truck in the information realm.
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On September 18 2025 23:44 Jankisa wrote:
I know of no celebrities who celebrated this.
Unfortunately the right has established that anything other then absolute praising of the deceased is celebrating. I'm sure that despite all of my posts in this thread saying that CK did not deserve to die and that I don't condone political violence at all would take my posts pointing out fucked up shit he was saying as celebrating his death.
That, to me, is their magic touch, the special ingredient of fascism, they, with the help of the media who either doesn't know how to deal with it or are complicit are able to shape the narrative, they keep flinging shit at the wall until some of it sticks and from then on it's just the established narrative.
It happened with Russiagate, it happened with the Muller report interpretation, it happened with January 6th and the fucking documents and the tax investigation, all of it became "lawfare" and you can see our resident fascist boot lickers bring it up with absolute belief that they have the facts.
The worse cancellations during the hay day of "Cancel culture" were things like Democrats canceling Al Franken, but the right will still insist that random twitter accounts digging up shit from peoples past and getting them fired = "the left".
I can guarantee you that despite this whole shitstorm of them getting people fired, VP calling for people to report on others and get them fired, POTUS getting a late night host fired they will still pretend they are the cancel culture victims.
Because they don't care. Que the Satre quote.
The right are correct for once. At least in the very specific domain of celebrating Charlie Kirk’s death.
I would stress none of their subsequent response is anything other than bullshit, but they are correct on that.
Behaviour matters. If you’re gleefully joking about his death, and say he had it coming because x, y or z, but then add ‘oh, but of course I’m against such violence’ at the end, meh. Doesn’t really land as plausible. I’m talking generally here, not you personally.
In exactly the same way someone saying a whole bunch of sexist or racist things in a row, who then goes ‘but, of course I’m against all forms of discrimination’ doesn’t pass the smell test
I merely think it’s completely preposterous to pretend that many aren’t doing so
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My approach to "social media" ... which is "free content for our advertising space" and "Datamining" would be to globaly require companies to pay the local minimum wage to users that are contributing content, comments and currate other people's content by giving some sort of reaction.
Every "Reaction" should count as 1 Minute of work, content like photos, audios or videos need a metric to reflect the production time.
Oh and plattforms have the total responsibility for what their newly found "employees" put on their services.
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On September 18 2025 23:14 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2025 22:15 WombaT wrote:On September 18 2025 21:49 Uldridge wrote:On September 18 2025 21:42 KT_Elwood wrote:
Conservatives work on the assumption that the worst thing they can think of to do to their opposition, will be done by them "when they are in charge".
But then progressive people don't do it and getting laughed at for being weak. They get laughed at for being too weak and they get scolded for being too brazen. This is classic doublethink chokeholding. This is what post modernist conservatism looks like. This is their new superweapon and whild they control all the media narratives we have a chump in the thread here saying (not you who I'm quoting) that we can wake less politicized people up. Lol, lmao even. So what’s your prescription? You seem to want to just cynically shoot down everything else attempted, what’s your big idea? Not Uldridge, but i am honestly just stumped. What the right is doing seems to be some kind of memetic hazard that just breaks society and makes rightwing people incapable of reacting to the obvious badness of what is happening when it is their side doing the bad stuff. It shouldn't be working, people should see through it, people shouldn't accept it. It is so absurdly obviously bad. But it works. And thus all of the normal ways of dealing with this kind of shit don't work. Because they are based on showing how bad it is, and people then reacting to that badness. But it is already obviously bad, and people don't react. So we keep on repeatedly showing how bad it is in the hope that it will eventually change things, because that is how things used to work. If you did too much too bad stuff, your people drop you, and you get removed. The difficulty was showing that you did too much too bad stuff, but once you got that done, stuff happened. + Show Spoiler +At this point, basically my only hope is that someone manages to find a saner variant of that memetic hazard that moves society back towards some kind of factual reality. Or for the postfactual insanity to crash so horribly hard that something else takes its place, ideally not something even worse.
Here in europe, i mostly hope that the complete insanity doesn't completely move over. It is already partially doing that, and gaining ever more power. But maybe if the US crashes and burns, people here will notice what is happening to prevent it in time.
Not to mention how it lowers the bar for everyone. Democrats can't even organize in unity to oppose genocide while it's the Trump administration aiding and abetting it.
Removing Democrats for that isn't even supposed to be on the table.
Too few people want to do the work of organizing around socialist principles and bringing about positive change for society in opposition to the capitalist memetic algos, so your hopes are basically wishcasting at this point.
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On September 18 2025 23:45 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2025 23:26 Sadist wrote:On September 18 2025 23:17 WombaT wrote:On September 18 2025 22:55 Biff The Understudy wrote:On September 18 2025 20:35 Elroi wrote:
There are so many parallels between this and the George Floyd situation, down to people on the left sarcastically talking about "Saint Kirk" (people on the right often mockingly refer to "Saint George") and the big kerfuffle about the minute of silence in the EU for either the right's or the left's saint. Kirk was killed by a lunatic. Everyone condemned the crime.Floyd was murdered by a police officer in plain sight over 9 agonizing minutes, and the right absolutely shat on him. Which is something that happens regularly to little or no consequences for the officers. Tell me, what’s the parallel again? The bolded is just not remotely true. I agree with the rest of your post entirely, but that’s just not close to being accurate. So Democrats and the left are held responsible for random people, bots, and trolls on social media but the Republicans arent? What elected democrat said or posted that they were OK with and encouraged the crime? Biff said ‘everyone condemned the crime’ This is not remotely true. I’m not making a value judgement either way, but that statement is errant nonsense. If they had said ‘elected Democrats have roundly condemned Kirk’s death’, that would seem to me pretty accurate from what I have seen.
Democrats cannot be responsible for random posts on social media. The republicans dont want to play that game.
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On September 18 2025 23:59 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2025 23:44 Jankisa wrote:
I know of no celebrities who celebrated this.
Unfortunately the right has established that anything other then absolute praising of the deceased is celebrating. I'm sure that despite all of my posts in this thread saying that CK did not deserve to die and that I don't condone political violence at all would take my posts pointing out fucked up shit he was saying as celebrating his death.
That, to me, is their magic touch, the special ingredient of fascism, they, with the help of the media who either doesn't know how to deal with it or are complicit are able to shape the narrative, they keep flinging shit at the wall until some of it sticks and from then on it's just the established narrative.
It happened with Russiagate, it happened with the Muller report interpretation, it happened with January 6th and the fucking documents and the tax investigation, all of it became "lawfare" and you can see our resident fascist boot lickers bring it up with absolute belief that they have the facts.
The worse cancellations during the hay day of "Cancel culture" were things like Democrats canceling Al Franken, but the right will still insist that random twitter accounts digging up shit from peoples past and getting them fired = "the left".
I can guarantee you that despite this whole shitstorm of them getting people fired, VP calling for people to report on others and get them fired, POTUS getting a late night host fired they will still pretend they are the cancel culture victims.
Because they don't care. Que the Satre quote. The right are correct for once. At least in the very specific domain of celebrating Charlie Kirk’s death. I would stress none of their subsequent response is anything other than bullshit, but they are correct on that. Behaviour matters. If you’re gleefully joking about his death, and say he had it coming because x, y or z, but then add ‘oh, but of course I’m against such violence’ at the end, meh. Doesn’t really land as plausible. I’m talking generally here, not you personally. In exactly the same way someone saying a whole bunch of sexist or racist things in a row, who then goes ‘but, of course I’m against all forms of discrimination’ doesn’t pass the smell test I merely think it’s completely preposterous to pretend that many aren’t doing so
Some are short circuit responses usually more in tune with prehistoric thinking patterns that were culturally dominant over most of our history.
It‘s possible for a person to occasionally think in patterns of racism or sexism usually when it reduces dissonance but also reflecting upon it and decide that it‘s not really what they want to stand up for.
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On September 19 2025 00:15 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2025 23:45 WombaT wrote:On September 18 2025 23:26 Sadist wrote:On September 18 2025 23:17 WombaT wrote:On September 18 2025 22:55 Biff The Understudy wrote:On September 18 2025 20:35 Elroi wrote:
There are so many parallels between this and the George Floyd situation, down to people on the left sarcastically talking about "Saint Kirk" (people on the right often mockingly refer to "Saint George") and the big kerfuffle about the minute of silence in the EU for either the right's or the left's saint. Kirk was killed by a lunatic. Everyone condemned the crime.Floyd was murdered by a police officer in plain sight over 9 agonizing minutes, and the right absolutely shat on him. Which is something that happens regularly to little or no consequences for the officers. Tell me, what’s the parallel again? The bolded is just not remotely true. I agree with the rest of your post entirely, but that’s just not close to being accurate. So Democrats and the left are held responsible for random people, bots, and trolls on social media but the Republicans arent? What elected democrat said or posted that they were OK with and encouraged the crime? Biff said ‘everyone condemned the crime’ This is not remotely true. I’m not making a value judgement either way, but that statement is errant nonsense. If they had said ‘elected Democrats have roundly condemned Kirk’s death’, that would seem to me pretty accurate from what I have seen. Democrats cannot be responsible for random posts on social media. The republicans dont want to play that game.
That’s not the argument, of course they can’t be responsible for what random people post. The argument was that biff said “everyone condemned Kirk’s death” which is absolutely not true. I saw compiled clips of sickos praising his death and commending the shooter. There are even people in this thread that never outright praised the shooter but instead borderline rationalized his actions by saying things like “he had it coming” and “live by the sword, die by the sword”
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On September 19 2025 00:43 castleeMg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2025 00:15 Sadist wrote:On September 18 2025 23:45 WombaT wrote:On September 18 2025 23:26 Sadist wrote:On September 18 2025 23:17 WombaT wrote:On September 18 2025 22:55 Biff The Understudy wrote:On September 18 2025 20:35 Elroi wrote:
There are so many parallels between this and the George Floyd situation, down to people on the left sarcastically talking about "Saint Kirk" (people on the right often mockingly refer to "Saint George") and the big kerfuffle about the minute of silence in the EU for either the right's or the left's saint. Kirk was killed by a lunatic. Everyone condemned the crime.Floyd was murdered by a police officer in plain sight over 9 agonizing minutes, and the right absolutely shat on him. Which is something that happens regularly to little or no consequences for the officers. Tell me, what’s the parallel again? The bolded is just not remotely true. I agree with the rest of your post entirely, but that’s just not close to being accurate. So Democrats and the left are held responsible for random people, bots, and trolls on social media but the Republicans arent? What elected democrat said or posted that they were OK with and encouraged the crime? Biff said ‘everyone condemned the crime’ This is not remotely true. I’m not making a value judgement either way, but that statement is errant nonsense. If they had said ‘elected Democrats have roundly condemned Kirk’s death’, that would seem to me pretty accurate from what I have seen. Democrats cannot be responsible for random posts on social media. The republicans dont want to play that game. That’s not the argument, of course they can’t be responsible for what random people post. The argument was that biff said “everyone condemned Kirk’s death” which is absolutely not true. I saw compiled clips of sickos praising his death and commending the shooter. There are even people in this thread that never outright praised the shooter but instead borderline rationalized his actions by saying things like “he had it coming” and “live by the sword, die by the sword”
Nobody knows who made said clips.
Were you looking at an opinion or at ragebait ? Hard to tell these days when social media seems like a centrally controlled blob.
You can‘t opt out of it unless you throw away your phone and shit in the woods (screaming, preferrably) and it‘s poorly moderated.
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On September 19 2025 01:20 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2025 00:43 castleeMg wrote:On September 19 2025 00:15 Sadist wrote:On September 18 2025 23:45 WombaT wrote:On September 18 2025 23:26 Sadist wrote:On September 18 2025 23:17 WombaT wrote:On September 18 2025 22:55 Biff The Understudy wrote:On September 18 2025 20:35 Elroi wrote:
There are so many parallels between this and the George Floyd situation, down to people on the left sarcastically talking about "Saint Kirk" (people on the right often mockingly refer to "Saint George") and the big kerfuffle about the minute of silence in the EU for either the right's or the left's saint. Kirk was killed by a lunatic. Everyone condemned the crime.Floyd was murdered by a police officer in plain sight over 9 agonizing minutes, and the right absolutely shat on him. Which is something that happens regularly to little or no consequences for the officers. Tell me, what’s the parallel again? The bolded is just not remotely true. I agree with the rest of your post entirely, but that’s just not close to being accurate. So Democrats and the left are held responsible for random people, bots, and trolls on social media but the Republicans arent? What elected democrat said or posted that they were OK with and encouraged the crime? Biff said ‘everyone condemned the crime’ This is not remotely true. I’m not making a value judgement either way, but that statement is errant nonsense. If they had said ‘elected Democrats have roundly condemned Kirk’s death’, that would seem to me pretty accurate from what I have seen. Democrats cannot be responsible for random posts on social media. The republicans dont want to play that game. That’s not the argument, of course they can’t be responsible for what random people post. The argument was that biff said “everyone condemned Kirk’s death” which is absolutely not true. I saw compiled clips of sickos praising his death and commending the shooter. There are even people in this thread that never outright praised the shooter but instead borderline rationalized his actions by saying things like “he had it coming” and “live by the sword, die by the sword” Nobody knows who made said clips. Were you looking at an opinion or at ragebait ? Hard to tell these days when social media seems like a centrally controlled blob.
So you’re really on the side that some people didn’t make social media posts praising Charlie Kirk’s death who genuinely meant it? Those must of just been bad actors on the right? I’m sure when random people on the right post horrible things you’ll be quick to point the finger at them but when it’s the left it’s always some conspiracy that the right is actually behind it? Thats what you’re alluding to correct?
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Y'all really love to spin your wheels over platitudes, semantics, and other nebulous shit while getting increasingly worked up.
Anyways,
On September 18 2025 13:27 Gescom wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2025 11:31 decafchicken wrote:
Donald Trump said "Jimmy is going to be next"
Donald Trump admin approves merger
Jimmy gets canceled over absolutely nothing (meanwhile fox news hosts freely talk about euthanizing the homeless) Indeed this. Trump's quote from ~July 30, following end of Colbert :: “Everybody is saying that I was solely responsible for the firing of Stephen Colbert from CBS, ‘Late Night,'” Trump wrote. “That is not true! The reason he was fired was a pure lack of TALENT, and the fact that this deficiency was costing CBS $50 Million Dollars a year in losses — And it was only going to get WORSE!”
Trump went on to claim that “an even less talented Jimmy Kimmel” will be “next up” to lose his job, followed by “a weak, and very insecure, Jimmy Fallon.”The playbook is in effect. :[
In addition, turns out Kirkland & Ellis, who capitulated to Trump and agreed to do free work for him, is representing Nexstar for the merger against the FCC. Normally you wouldn't hire representation that owes your opposition hundreds of millions of dollars, unless it was all just one big blatant corrupt happy family. Note that similar firms that capitulated to Trump also represented in the Nvidia and Intel deals.
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On September 19 2025 00:43 castleeMg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2025 00:15 Sadist wrote:On September 18 2025 23:45 WombaT wrote:On September 18 2025 23:26 Sadist wrote:On September 18 2025 23:17 WombaT wrote:On September 18 2025 22:55 Biff The Understudy wrote:On September 18 2025 20:35 Elroi wrote:
There are so many parallels between this and the George Floyd situation, down to people on the left sarcastically talking about "Saint Kirk" (people on the right often mockingly refer to "Saint George") and the big kerfuffle about the minute of silence in the EU for either the right's or the left's saint. Kirk was killed by a lunatic. Everyone condemned the crime.Floyd was murdered by a police officer in plain sight over 9 agonizing minutes, and the right absolutely shat on him. Which is something that happens regularly to little or no consequences for the officers. Tell me, what’s the parallel again? The bolded is just not remotely true. I agree with the rest of your post entirely, but that’s just not close to being accurate. So Democrats and the left are held responsible for random people, bots, and trolls on social media but the Republicans arent? What elected democrat said or posted that they were OK with and encouraged the crime? Biff said ‘everyone condemned the crime’ This is not remotely true. I’m not making a value judgement either way, but that statement is errant nonsense. If they had said ‘elected Democrats have roundly condemned Kirk’s death’, that would seem to me pretty accurate from what I have seen. Democrats cannot be responsible for random posts on social media. The republicans dont want to play that game. That’s not the argument, of course they can’t be responsible for what random people post. The argument was that biff said “everyone condemned Kirk’s death” which is absolutely not true. I saw compiled clips of sickos praising his death and commending the shooter. There are even people in this thread that never outright praised the shooter but instead borderline rationalized his actions by saying things like “he had it coming” and “live by the sword, die by the sword”
I really don't think it is rationalization. not pointing out the absurd irony that the guy talking about "it is worth having a few gun deaths per year for the 2nd amendment" ending up to be one of those gun deaths...
in what world is that even remotely realistic, that's searching for flaws where none exist.
major delulu attempts of rationalization is coming out - as rightwing influencers based on "preliminary FBI findings" no less - with unverified info to make the shooter Trans. and a "left wing radical". then he is just influenced by a Trans left wing radical.
then they are very sad to recognize the family is majorly pro Trump, he is a gun nut but with a lot of hate in his heart which we can speculate fantastically about why, yet still have no actual clue grounded in reality and good police investigative work. and the Trans friend/lover is cooperating with law enforcement.
also you are aware that sickos are the norm on today's social media? yet Twitter/X is not included in that sham radicalization Congressional hearing. but Valve(?!), Twitch and Discord and Reddit lol.
absolute clown show.
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Interesting how all our defenders of free speech are nowhere to be seen. ;-)
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On September 19 2025 01:29 castleeMg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2025 01:20 Vivax wrote:On September 19 2025 00:43 castleeMg wrote:On September 19 2025 00:15 Sadist wrote:On September 18 2025 23:45 WombaT wrote:On September 18 2025 23:26 Sadist wrote:On September 18 2025 23:17 WombaT wrote:On September 18 2025 22:55 Biff The Understudy wrote:On September 18 2025 20:35 Elroi wrote:
There are so many parallels between this and the George Floyd situation, down to people on the left sarcastically talking about "Saint Kirk" (people on the right often mockingly refer to "Saint George") and the big kerfuffle about the minute of silence in the EU for either the right's or the left's saint. Kirk was killed by a lunatic. Everyone condemned the crime.Floyd was murdered by a police officer in plain sight over 9 agonizing minutes, and the right absolutely shat on him. Which is something that happens regularly to little or no consequences for the officers. Tell me, what’s the parallel again? The bolded is just not remotely true. I agree with the rest of your post entirely, but that’s just not close to being accurate. So Democrats and the left are held responsible for random people, bots, and trolls on social media but the Republicans arent? What elected democrat said or posted that they were OK with and encouraged the crime? Biff said ‘everyone condemned the crime’ This is not remotely true. I’m not making a value judgement either way, but that statement is errant nonsense. If they had said ‘elected Democrats have roundly condemned Kirk’s death’, that would seem to me pretty accurate from what I have seen. Democrats cannot be responsible for random posts on social media. The republicans dont want to play that game. That’s not the argument, of course they can’t be responsible for what random people post. The argument was that biff said “everyone condemned Kirk’s death” which is absolutely not true. I saw compiled clips of sickos praising his death and commending the shooter. There are even people in this thread that never outright praised the shooter but instead borderline rationalized his actions by saying things like “he had it coming” and “live by the sword, die by the sword” Nobody knows who made said clips. Were you looking at an opinion or at ragebait ? Hard to tell these days when social media seems like a centrally controlled blob. So you’re really on the side that some people didn’t make social media posts praising Charlie Kirk’s death who genuinely meant it? Those must of just been bad actors on the right? I’m sure when random people on the right post horrible things you’ll be quick to point the finger at them but when it’s the left it’s always some conspiracy that the right is actually behind it? Thats what you’re alluding to correct?
No I‘m saying I don‘t know which one of the two it is.
I don‘t know who made the clips and if they benefit from it.
I don‘t even know if Americans made them.
What if they were Russian ?
Or German neonazis ?
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