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castleeMg
Canada786 Posts
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LightSpectra
United States2229 Posts
Oops, guess you're too bored for that. | ||
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castleeMg
Canada786 Posts
On September 19 2025 03:35 LightSpectra wrote: Unchecked misinformation is when I provide a source and then subsequently admit I misread it. Sure. A few pages ago you asserted (with no source, of course) Ryan Routh was a Democrat because he voted Democrat in 2024 (source?), even though he is a registered independent since 2002, voted Trump in 2016, and social media shows him supporting candidates of both parties including Vivek Ramaswamy, you gonna own up to that? Oops, guess you're too bored for that. “In 2024, he voted in the Democratic primary in Guilford County, North Carolina.[28] Routh had additionally donated $140 to Democratic causes since 2019.” K done now. Also you only admitted to it is because I called you out twice for it. The first time you completely ignored me, the hilarious thing is that you are just as bad as the people on the right who sensationalize and lie about things and hope people take what they say at face value and if they get called out for misinformation they ignore it until it’s thrown back in their face with proof. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States2229 Posts
On September 19 2025 03:39 castleeMg wrote: “In 2024, he voted in the Democratic primary in Guilford County, North Carolina.[28] Routh had additionally donated $140 to Democratic causes since 2019.” K done now. "According to public records, Routh voted in the Democratic primary in North Carolina in March. North Carolina allows unaffiliated voters to choose which party’s primary to vote in, but those voters can participate in only one primary election." So, not a Democrat. "Routh had additionally donated $140 to Democratic causes since 2019." You wanna know who else donated to Democrats? | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1238 Posts
On September 19 2025 03:22 castleeMg wrote: I’m gonna stop posting in here, I was kinda bored over the past 2 days so I thought I’d post and point out some of the insanely hypocritical things I read in this left-far left echo chamber. For the record I don’t consider myself right wing, Id say I’m a centrist and I’m definitely not a fan of Trump, especially after the tariff crap and 51st state rhetoric against my country. I’ll leave you guys to your peaceful echo chamber now with your sprinkles of unchecked misinformation from people like LeftSpectra Translated: I'm actually a right winger but I don't like to admit that, so I'll call myself centrist. If you think this thread is a far left echo chamber that reveals your biases, and those biases paint you squarely as a right wing guy who only soured on Trump because he wasn't nicer to your country, and right wing usually comes with nationalism, so there's that. On September 18 2025 23:59 WombaT wrote: The right are correct for once. At least in the very specific domain of celebrating Charlie Kirk’s death. I would stress none of their subsequent response is anything other than bullshit, but they are correct on that. Behaviour matters. If you’re gleefully joking about his death, and say he had it coming because x, y or z, but then add ‘oh, but of course I’m against such violence’ at the end, meh. Doesn’t really land as plausible. I’m talking generally here, not you personally. In exactly the same way someone saying a whole bunch of sexist or racist things in a row, who then goes ‘but, of course I’m against all forms of discrimination’ doesn’t pass the smell test I merely think it’s completely preposterous to pretend that many aren’t doing so I don't think that right is correct, again, random people online of which many can be bots and there is no way to verify who they are does not mean that "the left is/was celebrating" or "gleefully joking". The person who made most jokes around here is KwarK. Is he representative of "the left". If you didn't see anything else and there was no other social media outside of this thread, but you saw KwarK joke and make comments he did around this, would you conclude that "the right was right about the left joking"? I personally wouldn't, because out of 20-30 of us who posted here since the assassination happened, of which we can say 80% would qualify as left only one or two were joking. I personally don't judge any group of people based on the actions of the worse among them, that leads to all kinds of fucked up shit, and that's what right does, that's what allows them to other and go after their opponents. It still doesn't make it true. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1125 Posts
Charlie Kirk died, so that Jimmy Kimmel could be fired. I get the Ws today! | ||
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pmh
1414 Posts
Maybe this was to random and i dont want to discuss it in debt either so its removed to be forgotten. (and yes threads not threat). | ||
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Billyboy
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26357 Posts
On September 19 2025 03:58 Jankisa wrote: Translated: I'm actually a right winger but I don't like to admit that, so I'll call myself centrist. If you think this thread is a far left echo chamber that reveals your biases, and those biases paint you squarely as a right wing guy who only soured on Trump because he wasn't nicer to your country, and right wing usually comes with nationalism, so there's that. I don't think that right is correct, again, random people online of which many can be bots and there is no way to verify who they are does not mean that "the left is/was celebrating" or "gleefully joking". The person who made most jokes around here is KwarK. Is he representative of "the left". If you didn't see anything else and there was no other social media outside of this thread, but you saw KwarK joke and make comments he did around this, would you conclude that "the right was right about the left joking"? I personally wouldn't, because out of 20-30 of us who posted here since the assassination happened, of which we can say 80% would qualify as left only one or two were joking. I personally don't judge any group of people based on the actions of the worse among them, that leads to all kinds of fucked up shit, and that's what right does, that's what allows them to other and go after their opponents. It still doesn't make it true. But I’ve never made that claim that it’s some majority groundswell, or all the left or anything. Merely that it was pretty damn sizeable, and can’t be handwaved off to bots, or Zeus interfering in the human realm or whatever. To clarify by ‘the right have a point’ it’s purely on that point. That the phenomenon exists in a manner that isn’t extremely niche. They then overstate the scope, also beyond what is reasonable, and also propose solutions to this that are also beyond reasonable. ‘Gleefully joking’ and ‘celebrating’ are so similar in this context as to almost be identical. In my time floating around the place, and OK we all inhabit slightly different ecosystems, I’d put Charlie Kirk in my top 4 celebrated deaths. Bin Laden, clear #1, and quite a unifying death. Your man Luigi Mangione shot, he’s a lock. Charlie Kirk and Margaret Thatcher are pretty neck and neck for third, I guess Kirk shades it as the US is bigger and has more influence on the international media culture. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States2229 Posts
On September 19 2025 04:23 pmh wrote: Its pretty much the end yes that is correct. This website and tl as an esports organization should also adept. To preserve its continuity and business opportunities. Close this thread and other political threats. Tl has build to much to throw it all away. Tbh now would be a good moment to sell the whole thing i dont see how the founders can move forward succesfully in this situation. Like all the upside is gone. Its still there for others to capture but not for tl as it is. Can probably get a decent price by selling it to one of the us companys. "Close this thread and other political threats"? What? I'm assuming you mean "threads" but you think Team Liquid is going to be banned from The International because there's a community forum with political talk or something? I really don't understand this post at all. | ||
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Yurie
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45348 Posts
On September 19 2025 04:26 Billyboy wrote: This is unrelated to the current discussion but I find it really strange that one of the best ways to get to the top of the Republican party is to be a democrat then go so crazy that they do not want you. It lets you to totally skip the line with the Republicans. Eh, I'm not sure if that's really a viable strategy. If we're talking about being at the top of the Republican party, then we're only referring to Donald Trump here, who was technically a Democrat in the past, but first and foremost he's an opportunist who knew that he'd have a much easier time duping Republicans than Democrats. I don't think he's particularly committed to traditional political positions (how many times has he changed his mind on abortion, because he's found his flip-flopping personally advantageous, for example), and he'll do and say whatever earns him the most power and money. I don't see his path to the presidency as sincerely starting off as being truly liberal/progressive and then sincerely becoming conservative/regressive. | ||
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Billyboy
1537 Posts
On September 19 2025 04:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Eh, I'm not sure if that's really a viable strategy. If we're talking about being at the top of the Republican party, then we're only referring to Donald Trump here, who was technically a Democrat in the past, but first and foremost he's an opportunist who knew that he'd have a much easier time duping Republicans than Democrats. I don't think he's particularly committed to traditional political positions (how many times has he changed his mind on abortion, because he's found his flip-flopping personally advantageous, for example), and he'll do and say whatever earns him the most power and money. I don't see his path to the presidency as sincerely starting off as being truly liberal/progressive and then sincerely becoming conservative/regressive. I'm thinking Trump, RFK jr, Tulsi Gabbard, Vernon Jones, Jeff Can Drew, maybe others? | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On September 19 2025 02:00 castleeMg wrote: The old “I refuse to read or watch it so I can’t confirm it to be true” response What an argument. Lol I've deleted my Twitter account years ago and I feel great about it. Highly recommended. It's a terrible place and I hear it's only gotten worse. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45348 Posts
On September 19 2025 04:50 Billyboy wrote: I'm thinking Trump, RFK jr, Tulsi Gabbard, Vernon Jones, Jeff Can Drew, maybe others? None of those others are at the top of the Republican party though, and/or were simply just appointed by Trump (as opposed to winning a presidential election, or at least a presidential primary). | ||
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Billyboy
1537 Posts
On September 19 2025 04:54 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: None of those others are at the top of the Republican party though, and/or were simply just appointed by Trump (as opposed to winning a presidential election, or at least a presidential primary). Well only Trump is, but RFK jr and Gabbard are pretty damn high up. I don't think I mentioned elections, but both of those would likely do great. The other 2 won elections and have decent amount of power. How many ex Republicans are part of the Dems? I can't think of any. It just strikes me as strange. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1238 Posts
On September 19 2025 04:43 WombaT wrote: But I’ve never made that claim that it’s some majority groundswell, or all the left or anything. Merely that it was pretty damn sizeable, and can’t be handwaved off to bots, or Zeus interfering in the human realm or whatever. To clarify by ‘the right have a point’ it’s purely on that point. That the phenomenon exists in a manner that isn’t extremely niche. They then overstate the scope, also beyond what is reasonable, and also propose solutions to this that are also beyond reasonable. ‘Gleefully joking’ and ‘celebrating’ are so similar in this context as to almost be identical. In my time floating around the place, and OK we all inhabit slightly different ecosystems, I’d put Charlie Kirk in my top 4 celebrated deaths. Bin Laden, clear #1, and quite a unifying death. Your man Luigi Mangione shot, he’s a lock. Charlie Kirk and Margaret Thatcher are pretty neck and neck for third, I guess Kirk shades it as the US is bigger and has more influence on the international media culture. I think internet and social media got us to a point where everything is memefied almost immediately, and I think this is another case where memes and screenshots get taken as gleefully joking in a way that you can interpret very differently depending on your views, as an example, basically every time someone relatively prominent on the right side of the spectrum there are memes posted with Death (grim reaper) playing the claw machine, getting someone and in this case, being captioned with "Charlie Kirk, is Trump even in this thing?". Now, obviously, you can call that a wide range of things, to me, it's a product of the internet and it's completely normalized to post things like this, if everyone who liked or shared something in this vein is a terrible person who should be fired, then, right has a point. I can concede that, I've seen a lot of it, but to me that point is bullshit because this kind of shit is employed by both sides of the spectrum and in the end it's pretty innocuous, given the current state of things. To your list, I'd add a few, Kissinger is a big one, Rush Limbaugh another pretty recent and I'd also throw in Yahya Sinwar who is one of the big planers behind October 7th and how can we forget our guys Gaddafi and Saddam. Personally, for me Kirk doesn't really rank that high, I'd definitely have Rush above him. | ||
KwarK
United States43675 Posts
On September 19 2025 03:22 castleeMg wrote: I’m gonna stop posting in here, I was kinda bored over the past 2 days so I thought I’d post and point out some of the insanely hypocritical things I read in this left-far left echo chamber. For the record I don’t consider myself right wing, Id say I’m a centrist and I’m definitely not a fan of Trump, especially after the tariff crap and 51st state rhetoric against my country. I’ll leave you guys to your peaceful echo chamber now with your sprinkles of unchecked misinformation from people like LeftSpectra You're extremely right wing bud. You might not have started that way but whenever I see you post you’re foaming at the mouth having just finished consuming your daily few minutes of social media generated hate. Whatever your position on economic issues might be you’ve fallen into their bubble and you’re enthusiastically drinking their poison. You’re extremely right wing now, they’ve got their claws in you and your brain craves something to be angry about. | ||
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Phyanketto
United States601 Posts
On September 18 2025 22:31 Gorsameth wrote: Part of it is the US justice system being glacial, by design and a judge actively running interference for Trump to further delay the case. But the DoJ itself can certainly be blamed. It took a year to open an investigation, almost another year to appoint Jack Smith, another year before a grand jury indictment. But then its 2024 before the case gets going and judge Chutkan delaying proceedings while various courts fight out if Trump could even be charged. By the time that was resolved it was elections. realistically a Jack Smith should have been appointed Jan 21st 2021, not november '22 Not unlike the caesarean/pompeyan crisis of "will caesar give up his governorship of transalpine gaul?" people are calling Kirk Horst Wessel, but it's more like clodius pulcher | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2660 Posts
On September 19 2025 03:22 castleeMg wrote: I’m gonna stop posting in here, I was kinda bored over the past 2 days so I thought I’d post and point out some of the insanely hypocritical things I read in this left-far left echo chamber. For the record I don’t consider myself right wing, Id say I’m a centrist and I’m definitely not a fan of Trump, especially after the tariff crap and 51st state rhetoric against my country. I’ll leave you guys to your peaceful echo chamber now with your sprinkles of unchecked misinformation from people like LeftSpectra :shrug: Most of your positions have seemed like "He was definitely left wing because he had a secret relationship with a trans person" and "Twitter was celebrating I saw it, therefore the left is gross", so I don't think that much of value is lost in your departure. Have fun, and trust that even if the loudest and most frequent voices here are left, noone's reading GH or spectra or quark or whoever at their word, which is why there isn't a clear unified voice. | ||
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