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On September 19 2025 01:29 castleeMg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2025 01:20 Vivax wrote:On September 19 2025 00:43 castleeMg wrote:On September 19 2025 00:15 Sadist wrote:On September 18 2025 23:45 WombaT wrote:On September 18 2025 23:26 Sadist wrote:On September 18 2025 23:17 WombaT wrote:On September 18 2025 22:55 Biff The Understudy wrote:On September 18 2025 20:35 Elroi wrote:
There are so many parallels between this and the George Floyd situation, down to people on the left sarcastically talking about "Saint Kirk" (people on the right often mockingly refer to "Saint George") and the big kerfuffle about the minute of silence in the EU for either the right's or the left's saint. Kirk was killed by a lunatic. Everyone condemned the crime.Floyd was murdered by a police officer in plain sight over 9 agonizing minutes, and the right absolutely shat on him. Which is something that happens regularly to little or no consequences for the officers. Tell me, what’s the parallel again? The bolded is just not remotely true. I agree with the rest of your post entirely, but that’s just not close to being accurate. So Democrats and the left are held responsible for random people, bots, and trolls on social media but the Republicans arent? What elected democrat said or posted that they were OK with and encouraged the crime? Biff said ‘everyone condemned the crime’ This is not remotely true. I’m not making a value judgement either way, but that statement is errant nonsense. If they had said ‘elected Democrats have roundly condemned Kirk’s death’, that would seem to me pretty accurate from what I have seen. Democrats cannot be responsible for random posts on social media. The republicans dont want to play that game. That’s not the argument, of course they can’t be responsible for what random people post. The argument was that biff said “everyone condemned Kirk’s death” which is absolutely not true. I saw compiled clips of sickos praising his death and commending the shooter. There are even people in this thread that never outright praised the shooter but instead borderline rationalized his actions by saying things like “he had it coming” and “live by the sword, die by the sword” Nobody knows who made said clips. Were you looking at an opinion or at ragebait ? Hard to tell these days when social media seems like a centrally controlled blob. So you’re really on the side that some people didn’t make social media posts praising Charlie Kirk’s death who genuinely meant it? Those must of just been bad actors on the right? I’m sure when random people on the right post horrible things you’ll be quick to point the finger at them but when it’s the left it’s always some conspiracy that the right is actually behind it? Thats what you’re alluding to correct?
Thats not what hes alluding to. Why is the left at fault for randos ragebaiting online? Are republicans apologizing for stormfront? The politicians are what matters. Compare the responses of elected Democrats and elected Republicans, including those advising the president. Shout out to Laura Loomer.
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On September 19 2025 01:32 maybenexttime wrote:
Interesting how all our defenders of free speech are nowhere to be seen. ;-)
Maybe the president directly canceling people is not nearly as bad as companies deciding to replace people who their audience does not want to see.
I'm sure if the dems win and Newsome or whoever start having fox fire their staff and end OAN there will be no complaints.
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On September 19 2025 01:32 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2025 01:29 castleeMg wrote:On September 19 2025 01:20 Vivax wrote:On September 19 2025 00:43 castleeMg wrote:On September 19 2025 00:15 Sadist wrote:On September 18 2025 23:45 WombaT wrote:On September 18 2025 23:26 Sadist wrote:On September 18 2025 23:17 WombaT wrote:On September 18 2025 22:55 Biff The Understudy wrote:On September 18 2025 20:35 Elroi wrote:
There are so many parallels between this and the George Floyd situation, down to people on the left sarcastically talking about "Saint Kirk" (people on the right often mockingly refer to "Saint George") and the big kerfuffle about the minute of silence in the EU for either the right's or the left's saint. Kirk was killed by a lunatic. Everyone condemned the crime.Floyd was murdered by a police officer in plain sight over 9 agonizing minutes, and the right absolutely shat on him. Which is something that happens regularly to little or no consequences for the officers. Tell me, what’s the parallel again? The bolded is just not remotely true. I agree with the rest of your post entirely, but that’s just not close to being accurate. So Democrats and the left are held responsible for random people, bots, and trolls on social media but the Republicans arent? What elected democrat said or posted that they were OK with and encouraged the crime? Biff said ‘everyone condemned the crime’ This is not remotely true. I’m not making a value judgement either way, but that statement is errant nonsense. If they had said ‘elected Democrats have roundly condemned Kirk’s death’, that would seem to me pretty accurate from what I have seen. Democrats cannot be responsible for random posts on social media. The republicans dont want to play that game. That’s not the argument, of course they can’t be responsible for what random people post. The argument was that biff said “everyone condemned Kirk’s death” which is absolutely not true. I saw compiled clips of sickos praising his death and commending the shooter. There are even people in this thread that never outright praised the shooter but instead borderline rationalized his actions by saying things like “he had it coming” and “live by the sword, die by the sword” Nobody knows who made said clips. Were you looking at an opinion or at ragebait ? Hard to tell these days when social media seems like a centrally controlled blob. So you’re really on the side that some people didn’t make social media posts praising Charlie Kirk’s death who genuinely meant it? Those must of just been bad actors on the right? I’m sure when random people on the right post horrible things you’ll be quick to point the finger at them but when it’s the left it’s always some conspiracy that the right is actually behind it? Thats what you’re alluding to correct? No I‘m saying I don‘t know which one of the two it is. I don‘t know who made the clips and if they benefit from it. I don‘t even know if Americans made them. What if they were Russian ? Or German neonazis ?
You can type “Celebrating kirks death” on Twitter and see the numerous posts and videos of real people celebrating his death. Likely right wing accounts reposted the videos and posts but does that make a difference if the posts are genuine and real?
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On September 19 2025 01:48 castleeMg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2025 01:32 Vivax wrote:On September 19 2025 01:29 castleeMg wrote:On September 19 2025 01:20 Vivax wrote:On September 19 2025 00:43 castleeMg wrote:On September 19 2025 00:15 Sadist wrote:On September 18 2025 23:45 WombaT wrote:On September 18 2025 23:26 Sadist wrote:On September 18 2025 23:17 WombaT wrote:On September 18 2025 22:55 Biff The Understudy wrote:
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Kirk was killed by a lunatic. Everyone condemned the crime.
Floyd was murdered by a police officer in plain sight over 9 agonizing minutes, and the right absolutely shat on him. Which is something that happens regularly to little or no consequences for the officers.
Tell me, what’s the parallel again? The bolded is just not remotely true. I agree with the rest of your post entirely, but that’s just not close to being accurate. So Democrats and the left are held responsible for random people, bots, and trolls on social media but the Republicans arent? What elected democrat said or posted that they were OK with and encouraged the crime? Biff said ‘everyone condemned the crime’ This is not remotely true. I’m not making a value judgement either way, but that statement is errant nonsense. If they had said ‘elected Democrats have roundly condemned Kirk’s death’, that would seem to me pretty accurate from what I have seen. Democrats cannot be responsible for random posts on social media. The republicans dont want to play that game. That’s not the argument, of course they can’t be responsible for what random people post. The argument was that biff said “everyone condemned Kirk’s death” which is absolutely not true. I saw compiled clips of sickos praising his death and commending the shooter. There are even people in this thread that never outright praised the shooter but instead borderline rationalized his actions by saying things like “he had it coming” and “live by the sword, die by the sword” Nobody knows who made said clips. Were you looking at an opinion or at ragebait ? Hard to tell these days when social media seems like a centrally controlled blob. So you’re really on the side that some people didn’t make social media posts praising Charlie Kirk’s death who genuinely meant it? Those must of just been bad actors on the right? I’m sure when random people on the right post horrible things you’ll be quick to point the finger at them but when it’s the left it’s always some conspiracy that the right is actually behind it? Thats what you’re alluding to correct? No I‘m saying I don‘t know which one of the two it is. I don‘t know who made the clips and if they benefit from it. I don‘t even know if Americans made them. What if they were Russian ? Or German neonazis ? You can type “Celebrating kirks death” on Twitter and see the numerous posts and videos of real people celebrating his death. Likely right wing accounts reposted the videos and posts but does that make a difference if the posts are genuine and real?
I don‘t use twitter or similar platforms.
Can‘t make me.
When I used to browse it, I got my head filled with nonsense.
It‘s hardly going to be better now.
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On September 19 2025 01:52 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2025 01:48 castleeMg wrote:On September 19 2025 01:32 Vivax wrote:On September 19 2025 01:29 castleeMg wrote:On September 19 2025 01:20 Vivax wrote:On September 19 2025 00:43 castleeMg wrote:On September 19 2025 00:15 Sadist wrote:On September 18 2025 23:45 WombaT wrote:On September 18 2025 23:26 Sadist wrote:On September 18 2025 23:17 WombaT wrote:
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The bolded is just not remotely true.
I agree with the rest of your post entirely, but that’s just not close to being accurate. So Democrats and the left are held responsible for random people, bots, and trolls on social media but the Republicans arent? What elected democrat said or posted that they were OK with and encouraged the crime? Biff said ‘everyone condemned the crime’ This is not remotely true. I’m not making a value judgement either way, but that statement is errant nonsense. If they had said ‘elected Democrats have roundly condemned Kirk’s death’, that would seem to me pretty accurate from what I have seen. Democrats cannot be responsible for random posts on social media. The republicans dont want to play that game. That’s not the argument, of course they can’t be responsible for what random people post. The argument was that biff said “everyone condemned Kirk’s death” which is absolutely not true. I saw compiled clips of sickos praising his death and commending the shooter. There are even people in this thread that never outright praised the shooter but instead borderline rationalized his actions by saying things like “he had it coming” and “live by the sword, die by the sword” Nobody knows who made said clips. Were you looking at an opinion or at ragebait ? Hard to tell these days when social media seems like a centrally controlled blob. So you’re really on the side that some people didn’t make social media posts praising Charlie Kirk’s death who genuinely meant it? Those must of just been bad actors on the right? I’m sure when random people on the right post horrible things you’ll be quick to point the finger at them but when it’s the left it’s always some conspiracy that the right is actually behind it? Thats what you’re alluding to correct? No I‘m saying I don‘t know which one of the two it is. I don‘t know who made the clips and if they benefit from it. I don‘t even know if Americans made them. What if they were Russian ? Or German neonazis ? You can type “Celebrating kirks death” on Twitter and see the numerous posts and videos of real people celebrating his death. Likely right wing accounts reposted the videos and posts but does that make a difference if the posts are genuine and real? I don‘t use twitter or similar platforms. Can‘t make me. When I used to browse it, I got my head filled with nonsense. It‘s hardly going to be better now.
The old “I refuse to read or watch it so I can’t confirm it to be true” response
What an argument. Lol
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I would also take that stance in an argument. I am not going to visit Twitter (now called X by some) for anything as small as an internet argument. I will assume you are correct, there will be a bunch of people saying they are happy about it. 90% of them will be bots, as they are on any other topic and then trying to parse why they are happy after filtering that out is too much work.
Edit, based on what I have heard here I am also happy he is dead. If it is good thing long term for the US is a separate question that might have a different answer. Actually having consequences for hate speech might be more beneficial than the damage inflicting consequences does.
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What's your actual point in arguing about this? Elected officials said it wasn't right and wanted no part in the mud slinging. They all condemned it. What regular citizens say means jack shit. Why are you bent on this topic? Looking for a gotcha? Because this is getting pathetic.
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On September 19 2025 02:03 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
What's your actual point in arguing about this? Elected officials said it wasn't right and wanted no part in the mud slinging. They all condemned it. What regular citizens say means jack shit. Why are you bent on this topic? Looking for a gotcha? Because this is getting pathetic.
Vivax tried to argue it wasn’t true or they can’t confirm it even though it’s obviously true so I just thought I’d point out how ridiculous that is even though in the grand scheme of things it is pointless but it does point out how dug in they are and points out their disconnect with reality.
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On September 19 2025 01:51 decafchicken wrote:Why are you guys bitching back and forth about random social media posts. + Show Spoiler +
That's pretty much all US politics is nowadays, just mocking and gawking while trying to shame and blame anyone that doesn't "vote blue no matter who (if or when the fascists let you) "
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On September 19 2025 02:18 GreenHorizons wrote:That's pretty much all US politics is nowadays, just mocking and gawking while trying to shame and blame anyone that doesn't "vote blue no matter who (if or when the fascists let you) "
Did Charlie Kirks assassination help things? Would you like more of that?
And mocking and gawking at Reps and Tankies is bad, but mocking and gawking at Dems is good? Or can you explain what you are doing differently that makes it good?
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On September 19 2025 01:48 castleeMg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2025 01:32 Vivax wrote:On September 19 2025 01:29 castleeMg wrote:On September 19 2025 01:20 Vivax wrote:On September 19 2025 00:43 castleeMg wrote:On September 19 2025 00:15 Sadist wrote:On September 18 2025 23:45 WombaT wrote:On September 18 2025 23:26 Sadist wrote:On September 18 2025 23:17 WombaT wrote:On September 18 2025 22:55 Biff The Understudy wrote:
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Kirk was killed by a lunatic. Everyone condemned the crime.
Floyd was murdered by a police officer in plain sight over 9 agonizing minutes, and the right absolutely shat on him. Which is something that happens regularly to little or no consequences for the officers.
Tell me, what’s the parallel again? The bolded is just not remotely true. I agree with the rest of your post entirely, but that’s just not close to being accurate. So Democrats and the left are held responsible for random people, bots, and trolls on social media but the Republicans arent? What elected democrat said or posted that they were OK with and encouraged the crime? Biff said ‘everyone condemned the crime’ This is not remotely true. I’m not making a value judgement either way, but that statement is errant nonsense. If they had said ‘elected Democrats have roundly condemned Kirk’s death’, that would seem to me pretty accurate from what I have seen. Democrats cannot be responsible for random posts on social media. The republicans dont want to play that game. That’s not the argument, of course they can’t be responsible for what random people post. The argument was that biff said “everyone condemned Kirk’s death” which is absolutely not true. I saw compiled clips of sickos praising his death and commending the shooter. There are even people in this thread that never outright praised the shooter but instead borderline rationalized his actions by saying things like “he had it coming” and “live by the sword, die by the sword” Nobody knows who made said clips. Were you looking at an opinion or at ragebait ? Hard to tell these days when social media seems like a centrally controlled blob. So you’re really on the side that some people didn’t make social media posts praising Charlie Kirk’s death who genuinely meant it? Those must of just been bad actors on the right? I’m sure when random people on the right post horrible things you’ll be quick to point the finger at them but when it’s the left it’s always some conspiracy that the right is actually behind it? Thats what you’re alluding to correct? No I‘m saying I don‘t know which one of the two it is. I don‘t know who made the clips and if they benefit from it. I don‘t even know if Americans made them. What if they were Russian ? Or German neonazis ? You can type “Celebrating kirks death” on Twitter and see the numerous posts and videos of real people celebrating his death. Likely right wing accounts reposted the videos and posts but does that make a difference if the posts are genuine and real?
I've seen varying estimates of 15-30% of all Twitter content is from bots. Numerous studies from both right- and left-wing sources say that several nation-states (especially Russia, India, China, and Iran) are using troll farms to sew civil discord, so there's also a lot of imposters in addition to bots.
Now I'm not going to say literally all of the "I hope more conservatives get shot" tweets are bots, but you would have to be exceedingly foolish to make sweeping comments about the mentality of American liberals/progressives given the above knowledge.
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On September 19 2025 02:03 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
What's your actual point in arguing about this? Elected officials said it wasn't right and wanted no part in the mud slinging. They all condemned it. What regular citizens say means jack shit. Why are you bent on this topic? Looking for a gotcha? Because this is getting pathetic.
What happened, what I feel about it, and what I think should be done about it, 3 interlinked, but quite different things.
How did Democratic leadership, or other cultural figures respond, how should they have responded, etc are totally valid avenues of discussion. I think the former have been pretty responsible from what I’ve seen.
But people are just outright denying that the extremely obvious even took place to begin with?
What next? Americans didn’t really celebrate Osama Bin Laden’s death, it was a Russian psyop? Trump’s inauguration crowd actually was the biggest in history, but was suppressed by the Deep StateTM?
Just because section of the right are trying to make his death a clarion call, and turn him into a martyr, priming for retribution in a very irresponsible thru Fascistic manner doesn’t mean there weren’t plenty of folks celebrating Kirk’s death.
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On September 19 2025 02:30 Billyboy wrote:
Did Charlie Kirks assassination help things? Would you like more of that?
It is a good test if you are compliant with whatever is the Maga-line.
- did you throw yourself on the ground begging god for a resurection of Charly J. Christ ?
- did you pretend to have done so on social media and to friends?
No?
Then you are obviously a domestic terrorist with vile anti-judeo-christian beliefs, and most of all, this was a test of your ability to fascism.
Do whatever you are told.
Think what you are told to think.
And anticipate what is not told explicitly.
Dear leader ordered mourning!
You did not comply.
Please resign your job and euthanize yourself if you will be homeless.
Thank you for your cooperation in this matter!
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On September 19 2025 02:40 KT_Elwood wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2025 02:30 Billyboy wrote:
Did Charlie Kirks assassination help things? Would you like more of that? It is a good test if you are compliant with whatever is the Maga-line. - did you throw yourself on the ground begging god for a resurection of Charly J. Christ ? - did you pretend to have done so on social media and to friends? No? Then you are obviously a domestic terrorist with vile anti-judeo-christian beliefs, and most of all, this was a test of your ability to fascism. Do whatever you are told. Think what you are told to think. And anticipate what is not told explicitly. Dear leader ordered mourning! You did not comply. Please resign your job and euthanize yourself if you will be homeless. Thank you for your cooperation in this matter!
Seems like it helped the Republicans. Unless GH has some wisdom to share other than bad dems bad.
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On September 19 2025 02:36 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2025 02:03 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
What's your actual point in arguing about this? Elected officials said it wasn't right and wanted no part in the mud slinging. They all condemned it. What regular citizens say means jack shit. Why are you bent on this topic? Looking for a gotcha? Because this is getting pathetic. What happened, what I feel about it, and what I think should be done about it, 3 interlinked, but quite different things. How did Democratic leadership, or other cultural figures respond, how should they have responded, etc are totally valid avenues of discussion. I think the former have been pretty responsible from what I’ve seen. But people are just outright denying that the extremely obvious even took place to begin with? What next? Americans didn’t really celebrate Osama Bin Laden’s death, it was a Russian psyop? Trump’s inauguration crowd actually was the biggest in history, but was suppressed by the Deep StateTM? Just because section of the right are trying to make his death a clarion call, and turn him into a martyr, priming for retribution in a very irresponsible thru Fascistic manner doesn’t mean there weren’t plenty of folks celebrating Kirk’s death.
So what?
Democratic leaders didnt do that. The US has 330 million people. You can find people posting or saying anything on any subject.
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On September 19 2025 02:32 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2025 01:48 castleeMg wrote:On September 19 2025 01:32 Vivax wrote:On September 19 2025 01:29 castleeMg wrote:On September 19 2025 01:20 Vivax wrote:On September 19 2025 00:43 castleeMg wrote:On September 19 2025 00:15 Sadist wrote:On September 18 2025 23:45 WombaT wrote:On September 18 2025 23:26 Sadist wrote:On September 18 2025 23:17 WombaT wrote:
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The bolded is just not remotely true.
I agree with the rest of your post entirely, but that’s just not close to being accurate. So Democrats and the left are held responsible for random people, bots, and trolls on social media but the Republicans arent? What elected democrat said or posted that they were OK with and encouraged the crime? Biff said ‘everyone condemned the crime’ This is not remotely true. I’m not making a value judgement either way, but that statement is errant nonsense. If they had said ‘elected Democrats have roundly condemned Kirk’s death’, that would seem to me pretty accurate from what I have seen. Democrats cannot be responsible for random posts on social media. The republicans dont want to play that game. That’s not the argument, of course they can’t be responsible for what random people post. The argument was that biff said “everyone condemned Kirk’s death” which is absolutely not true. I saw compiled clips of sickos praising his death and commending the shooter. There are even people in this thread that never outright praised the shooter but instead borderline rationalized his actions by saying things like “he had it coming” and “live by the sword, die by the sword” Nobody knows who made said clips. Were you looking at an opinion or at ragebait ? Hard to tell these days when social media seems like a centrally controlled blob. So you’re really on the side that some people didn’t make social media posts praising Charlie Kirk’s death who genuinely meant it? Those must of just been bad actors on the right? I’m sure when random people on the right post horrible things you’ll be quick to point the finger at them but when it’s the left it’s always some conspiracy that the right is actually behind it? Thats what you’re alluding to correct? No I‘m saying I don‘t know which one of the two it is. I don‘t know who made the clips and if they benefit from it. I don‘t even know if Americans made them. What if they were Russian ? Or German neonazis ? You can type “Celebrating kirks death” on Twitter and see the numerous posts and videos of real people celebrating his death. Likely right wing accounts reposted the videos and posts but does that make a difference if the posts are genuine and real? I've seen varying estimates of 15-30% of all Twitter content is from bots. Numerous studies from both right- and left-wing sources say that several nation-states (especially Russia, India, China, and Iran) are using troll farms to sew civil discord, so there's also a lot of imposters in addition to bots. Now I'm not going to say literally all of the "I hope more conservatives get shot" tweets are bots, but you would have to be exceedingly foolish to make sweeping comments about the mentality of American liberals/progressives given the above knowledge.
I hope you’re not saying I said liberals made sweeping comments commending the death of Kirk, for the record I never said that and I think it was a very, very small vocal minority of a bunch of extremists but still, they exist and they’re definitely genuine.
But also I’m glad you responded to me LightSpectra, not because of this post but I wanted to clarify something on a post you made yesterday about Tucker Carlsons comments on Trump and how you lied completely on what Tucker said and conveniently ignored me after I called you out on it. Soo… it’s okay for you to scold for me for suggesting that it’s likely that Tyler Robinson had a leftist ideology because he threw his life away in order to assassinate a right wing commentator with ammunition that had words like Bella ciao (leftist/antifacist song) scribed on it all while having a secret romantic trans partner but it’s ok for you to post a clip of Tucker Carlson and claim he’s saying Trump orchestrated an assassination on Kirk like it’s a clear fact despite Tucker never even mentioning anything like that. Can you please acknowledge that you’re a massive hypocrite and that you tried to misconstrue the context of the clip and that you lied about what Tucker said in order to sensationalize it and for it to fit your agenda better?
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On September 19 2025 02:54 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2025 02:36 WombaT wrote:On September 19 2025 02:03 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
What's your actual point in arguing about this? Elected officials said it wasn't right and wanted no part in the mud slinging. They all condemned it. What regular citizens say means jack shit. Why are you bent on this topic? Looking for a gotcha? Because this is getting pathetic. What happened, what I feel about it, and what I think should be done about it, 3 interlinked, but quite different things. How did Democratic leadership, or other cultural figures respond, how should they have responded, etc are totally valid avenues of discussion. I think the former have been pretty responsible from what I’ve seen. But people are just outright denying that the extremely obvious even took place to begin with? What next? Americans didn’t really celebrate Osama Bin Laden’s death, it was a Russian psyop? Trump’s inauguration crowd actually was the biggest in history, but was suppressed by the Deep StateTM? Just because section of the right are trying to make his death a clarion call, and turn him into a martyr, priming for retribution in a very irresponsible thru Fascistic manner doesn’t mean there weren’t plenty of folks celebrating Kirk’s death. So what? Democratic leaders didnt do that. The US has 330 million people. You can find people posting or saying anything on any subject.
And you're not even counting all the bots!
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Now this would clearly reach everybody and not select only certain people with specific political view points. This would not be considered as solidifying your own power at all.
Military leaders consider recruiting campaign centered around Charlie Kirk
Not all these statements and proposals are going to happen or are serious, but at this point, who knows? For example, you do not need the Pope to declare someone a saint when you can have the president do it. The Vatican is Babylon for many Christians, so it would probably even be more legit to them.
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On September 19 2025 02:55 castleeMg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2025 02:32 LightSpectra wrote:On September 19 2025 01:48 castleeMg wrote:On September 19 2025 01:32 Vivax wrote:On September 19 2025 01:29 castleeMg wrote:On September 19 2025 01:20 Vivax wrote:On September 19 2025 00:43 castleeMg wrote:On September 19 2025 00:15 Sadist wrote:On September 18 2025 23:45 WombaT wrote:On September 18 2025 23:26 Sadist wrote:
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So Democrats and the left are held responsible for random people, bots, and trolls on social media but the Republicans arent? What elected democrat said or posted that they were OK with and encouraged the crime?
Biff said ‘everyone condemned the crime’ This is not remotely true. I’m not making a value judgement either way, but that statement is errant nonsense. If they had said ‘elected Democrats have roundly condemned Kirk’s death’, that would seem to me pretty accurate from what I have seen. Democrats cannot be responsible for random posts on social media. The republicans dont want to play that game. That’s not the argument, of course they can’t be responsible for what random people post. The argument was that biff said “everyone condemned Kirk’s death” which is absolutely not true. I saw compiled clips of sickos praising his death and commending the shooter. There are even people in this thread that never outright praised the shooter but instead borderline rationalized his actions by saying things like “he had it coming” and “live by the sword, die by the sword” Nobody knows who made said clips. Were you looking at an opinion or at ragebait ? Hard to tell these days when social media seems like a centrally controlled blob. So you’re really on the side that some people didn’t make social media posts praising Charlie Kirk’s death who genuinely meant it? Those must of just been bad actors on the right? I’m sure when random people on the right post horrible things you’ll be quick to point the finger at them but when it’s the left it’s always some conspiracy that the right is actually behind it? Thats what you’re alluding to correct? No I‘m saying I don‘t know which one of the two it is. I don‘t know who made the clips and if they benefit from it. I don‘t even know if Americans made them. What if they were Russian ? Or German neonazis ? You can type “Celebrating kirks death” on Twitter and see the numerous posts and videos of real people celebrating his death. Likely right wing accounts reposted the videos and posts but does that make a difference if the posts are genuine and real? I've seen varying estimates of 15-30% of all Twitter content is from bots. Numerous studies from both right- and left-wing sources say that several nation-states (especially Russia, India, China, and Iran) are using troll farms to sew civil discord, so there's also a lot of imposters in addition to bots. Now I'm not going to say literally all of the "I hope more conservatives get shot" tweets are bots, but you would have to be exceedingly foolish to make sweeping comments about the mentality of American liberals/progressives given the above knowledge. I hope you’re not saying I said liberals made sweeping comments commending the death of Kirk, for the record I never said that and I think it was a very, very small vocal minority of a bunch of extremists but still, they exist and they’re definitely genuine.
I'm sure they do exist, but saying "just scroll Twitter to find them" is possibly the worst way to determine that.
It's extra dumb when you add in actual Republicans are regularly saying "THIS IS WAR" or otherwise calling for violence, but one anonymous liberal is all you need?
Soo… it’s okay for you to scold for me for suggesting that it’s likely that Tyler Robinson had a leftist ideology because he threw his life away in order to assassinate a right wing commentator with ammunition that had words like Bella ciao (leftist/antifacist song) scribed on it all while having a secret romantic trans partner but it’s ok for you to post a clip of Tucker Carlson and claim he’s saying Trump orchestrated an assassination on Kirk like it’s a clear fact despite Tucker never even mentioning anything like that. Can you please acknowledge that you’re a massive hypocrite and that you tried to misconstrue the context of the clip and that you lied about what Tucker said in order to sensationalize it and for it to fit your agenda better?
"One message read “O Bella ciao, Bella ciao, Bella ciao, Ciao, ciao!” in apparent reference to an antifascist anthem sung by Italians after World War II, yet some social media users noted a version of the song appears on a Spotify playlist meant for Groypers, the New York Times reported. Others reportedly pointed to a Facebook photo in which Robinson appeared to reference a Groyper meme." Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2025/09/13/what-is-a-groyper-nick-fuentes-says-his-followers-framed-in-charlie-kirk-shooting/
You're right about the Carlson clip, I was too hasty in assembling those sources. I don't know what agenda you're referring to though, if you go back to the original comment I was expressing surprise that a bunch of right-wing grifters were suddenly casting doubt about the shooting and criticizing Trump and asking what people thought about it.
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