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Uldridge
Belgium5041 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22084 Posts
On December 22 2025 20:05 Uldridge wrote: yeah, its not beginning. We have been here for a long while and its still getting worse.People killed themselves for free because they wanted some attention (tide pod challenge). It's been this bad or worse for a decade now. 2012 was an inflection point towards marketing and social engineering dystopia. Edit: actually I couldn't verify about the tide pods if anyone has actually killed themselves by it, but I also remember the blue whale challenge etc. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18209 Posts
On December 22 2025 20:05 Uldridge wrote: People killed themselves for free because they wanted some attention (tide pod challenge). It's been this bad or worse for a decade now. 2012 was an inflection point towards marketing and social engineering dystopia. Edit: actually I couldn't verify about the tide pods if anyone has actually killed themselves by it, but I also remember the blue whale challenge etc. I think what the black mirror episode did was just take social media to its logical conclusion. We aren't quite there yet, but Jake Paul getting paid a shitload of money to get his ass kicked by a pro boxer (and breaking his jaw in the process, although that was not really scripted insofar as I know, just one of the risks of getting in the ring with a pro boxer). Teenagers have been getting "tricked into" doing unreasonable stupid dangerous shit on social media. Influencers are getting paid money to be terminally online (but usually not do stupid risky shit). All this does is combine the two: offer money for doing stupid risky shit and filming yourself while doing so. It's not a particularly novel concept. There was some Scandinavian detective series that focused on a crime ring of murderers posting their snuff videos on the dark web for money. And of course, there's squid game. The zeitgeist is clearly heading that way. It's fucking bonkers that we live in this timeline. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10846 Posts
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Jankisa
Croatia1123 Posts
Why did he go and fight Joshua is the mystery, either he bought into his own hype, or he's OK with trading serious bodily harm for money, but if it's the latter, there are much better fights out there for him, go fight Floyd Mayweather or Conor McGregor (that one he might even win) if it's for the money, getting into the ring with a guy who is not only a legit world champion but also much heavier then him was a very, very stupid decision. And the "black mirror coming true" thing has been the theme of the last 5 years to me, global pandemic, people losing their minds, technology we don't really understand but are going all in on, truth and facts basically becoming a matter of opinion, killer drones, robotic machine guns, people getting disappeared from the streets, plus all the vapid influence culture, 15 second attention span, whatever the fuck is mr. Beast is doing with his dumb challenges and pushing all sorts of shit to children, it's all very surreal and very depressing, kind of like Black Mirror. Fun fact, the name Black Mirror was inspired by people being glued to their smartphone screens, which, when they are turned off are black mirrors. | ||
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ETisME
12680 Posts
Humans used to get fed information from the top down, no matter which part of the world you are from. That's how the powerful and wealthy kept their dominance. At the end of the day, lots of things in world doesn't have objective truth, and even if it does, subjectivity matters because that's how society operates. At the end of the day, no matter Jake Paul is doing it for the sake of attention or genuinely like boxing with legendary fighters or just a mix of both, he did it. In this massive overly complex world, maybe all that matters IS he did it and what comes after is just the same old social engineering doing its work. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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micronesia
United States24753 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On December 23 2025 10:35 micronesia wrote: I'm okay with generative AI when it's used properly. It's a tool that's being used for way too many things in way too many applications, but some of those applications really benefit. Over time, I think we'll see its usage better map to its effectiveness. Do you have any genuine faith that the bulk of whats going on with AI (money, usage, etc) is going to be used properly though? I think lots of things are okay when used properly, but societally how often do we use things properly and how often do we just let profit motive run rampant and cause as much damage as it can? | ||
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micronesia
United States24753 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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dyhb
United States106 Posts
On December 23 2025 12:13 Zambrah wrote: Bummer. Although politics is certainly depressing I have to admit. EDIT: nevermind, I hate it here, this place and the people here depress me on a deep and fundamental level | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23624 Posts
On December 23 2025 10:40 Zambrah wrote: Do you have any genuine faith that the bulk of whats going on with AI (money, usage, etc) is going to be used properly though? I think lots of things are okay when used properly, but societally how often do we use things properly and how often do we just let profit motive run rampant and cause as much damage as it can? Embodying AI is going to end up being problematic. We already know the existing models will harm humans to stay on. Hostile/misaligned AGI is obviously an extinction level event, but regular humans handing their critical thinking capacity over to the existing models is leading us down a pretty irrefutably catastrophic path already. But if AI doesn't basically make the world almost completely unrecognizable in 15 years to someone who went into a coma tomorrow in the good way, the economics will lead to economic catastrophe that would make the great depression look like a boom. On December 23 2025 12:13 Zambrah wrote: EDIT: nevermind, I hate it here, this place and the people here depress me on a deep and fundamental level Thought this video on NVIDIA, Palantir, and how the US is on the verge of going full Minority Report from GamersNexus Consumer Advocacy was pretty good information, though still pretty discouraging. | ||
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ETisME
12680 Posts
On December 23 2025 12:30 GreenHorizons wrote: Embodying AI is going to end up being problematic. We already know the existing models will harm humans to stay on. Hostile/misaligned AGI is obviously an extinction level event, but regular humans handing their critical thinking capacity over to the existing models is leading us down a pretty irrefutably catastrophic path already. But if AI doesn't basically make the world almost completely unrecognizable in 15 years to someone who went into a coma tomorrow in the good way, the economics will lead to economic catastrophe that would make the great depression look like a boom. Thought this video on NVIDIA, Palantir, and how the US is on the verge of going full Minority Report from GamersNexus Consumer Advocacy was pretty good information, though still pretty discouraging. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lYsO4k7OIY None of what's being done is new, other than using AI to make it fancy. Social media scraping. Social profiling. Geolocation. Financial data like transaction and credit rating. Criminal record. Facial recognition. Hell UK is arresting 12000 for speech per year even though only 1000 get charged. If you want more anxiety, did you know wifi and 5g signals can see through walls and they can go as far to map out your gestures? https://www.sify.com/technology/this-neural-network-uses-wifi-to-see-through-walls/ Or that digital EURO can pretty much do the same as Chinese digital Yuan. CCP had tried adding expiration date, limit what categories it can spend on, direct control over your wallet. Or that quantum computing will break even central banks? that's why buying more gold and taking back control matters. I have started self hosting, and definitely looking to run my own local AI. All big gov works against you, and you still want your one to be powerful enough to stand up against other and do your best to have some level of control. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2311 Posts
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Razyda
901 Posts
On December 23 2025 16:18 hitthat wrote: Did USA just announced they build a new BATTLESHIP class? What!? Surprising. What naval doctrine are they fit to? What operational role those things are supposed to have other than satisfy Trump's ego? I mean, maybe in drone warfare era putting more armored and survivable warships does make sense somehow, because other way I don't see any visible advantages over normal destroyers or missile cruisers. They did  .I watched beginning of Trump announcement, it was hilarious. 2 big posters saying "Trump class" (seen only few minutes, so not 100% sure thats what it will be called, but I believe it to be reasonable assumption). They are obviously longer "by a bit", and 100 times more powerful than anything before (even more obviously). Maybe someone wanna tell them that battleships werent really produced that much, because they sort of obsolete? (Bismarck, Tirpitz, Yamato, Musashi). Luckily Trump will help designing them because he is "very esthetic" To totally blindside his enemies, he should be manning them with Spanish inquisitors. Edit: some typos | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22084 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7966 Posts
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Vivax
22167 Posts
On December 23 2025 15:55 ETisME wrote: None of what's being done is new, other than using AI to make it fancy. Social media scraping. Social profiling. Geolocation. Financial data like transaction and credit rating. Criminal record. Facial recognition. Hell UK is arresting 12000 for speech per year even though only 1000 get charged. If you want more anxiety, did you know wifi and 5g signals can see through walls and they can go as far to map out your gestures? https://www.sify.com/technology/this-neural-network-uses-wifi-to-see-through-walls/ Or that digital EURO can pretty much do the same as Chinese digital Yuan. CCP had tried adding expiration date, limit what categories it can spend on, direct control over your wallet. Or that quantum computing will break even central banks? that's why buying more gold and taking back control matters. I have started self hosting, and definitely looking to run my own local AI. All big gov works against you, and you still want your one to be powerful enough to stand up against other and do your best to have some level of control. Said technology isn‘t a big gov issue. It‘s in private hands that tend to be bigger than your local gov. If your government wants access to the data they need to pay a private company for that. Said technology is so powerful that corporations should require oversight on how they use it. You think the US government has a history of corporate oversight ? Traditionally it lets them get away with anything. Imo one of the biggest challenges governments face these days is to not let corporations become stronger than them. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22084 Posts
On December 23 2025 21:47 Biff The Understudy wrote: Only for about the last 80 years...Aren’t Battleships totally obsolete ? What do they do an aircraft carrier doesn’t do ten times better ? Trump like big things that go boom. | ||
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