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On September 11 2025 06:24 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 05:48 LightSpectra wrote:On September 11 2025 05:41 Introvert wrote:On September 11 2025 05:06 Gorsameth wrote:On September 11 2025 04:55 Doublemint wrote:On September 11 2025 04:39 LightSpectra wrote:On September 11 2025 04:31 Doublemint wrote:
we know absolutely nothing thus far, but people very quickly lose their mind and manners.
When Nancy Pelosi's husband was attacked, Trump joked about it and speculated it was a scorned lover. When two Minnesota state congressmen were assassinated, Republican Senator Mike Lee made a joke about it on Twitter. There's countless other examples of the far-right normalizing violence, surely they wouldn't hypocritically decide it's a big deal now that the leopards are eating their own faces? Trump is Trump and a piece of shit, absolutely no one expects better. there is a clear line to him entering the political stage and already terrible standards getting worse. but I thought people wanted things to get better. a certain decorum, sincere or not, should be expected. There was a big 'they go low, we go high' energy with Trump 1. Then the Democrats taking the high road let to Trump getting re-elected. Now people no longer give a shit. There is no reason to take the high road when the low road gets rewarded and the high road doesn't. What right-wing violence has been rewarded? Was anyone like, say, Charlie Kirk, cheering the shooting of the MN legislators? Here's Charlie Kirk praising Derek Chauvin, who murdered George Floyd: https://thecharliekirkshow.com/podcasts/the-charlie-kirk-show/the-case-to-pardon-derek-chauvin-ft-ben-shapiro More fast and loose here. The George Floyd murder was not a politically motivated action, and I've seen enough people complaining about Chauvin being railroaded to know it usually doesn't involve praise for him. You'd think the MN murders would be the perfect analogue here but somehow I think its hard to find anyone, anywhere of note who cheered that on. Moreover, what was the "reward"? People are acting like these events have played to someone's benefit and I want to know whose. There is such a thing of right wing violence too of course, but it normally doesn't get a slap on the back and most right-wing public figures are hounded to denounce it and their rhetoric that supposedly caused it.
The fuck happened in january 6th?
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On September 11 2025 06:48 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 06:27 Razyda wrote:On September 11 2025 06:17 KwarK wrote:On September 11 2025 06:11 Razyda wrote:On September 11 2025 06:05 WombaT wrote:On September 11 2025 06:03 Razyda wrote:On September 11 2025 05:55 Doublemint wrote:On September 11 2025 05:39 KwarK wrote:On September 11 2025 04:07 Doublemint wrote:Charlie Kirk has been shot in Utah at an event.@dailymail onservative influencer and Turning Point CEO Charlie Kirk has reportedly been shot after gunfire rang out at an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday.
Chaos erupted at Kirk's Q & A session and students ran for safety.
The right-wing firebrand, 31, was reportedly shot in the neck area and a suspect is in custody following the shooting. Jesus... It’s a start. to nothing good. if we remember, Trump used "Big Balls" getting beat up as a pretense to send the national guard into D.C. only god knows what nightmarish response they come up with after Kirk's death. I think you should pray for brutal response from Trump, anything less and his base will go to someone who will promise them that. Why do we need a brutal response? Thoughts and prayers and arresting the perpetrator and nothing changing is the American way Because if you tell people they are nazis long enough, and treat them like nazis long enough, they will eventually be like " all right then, LFG" and they will need leader. Insufficient Trump response may be just enough. This argument is telling on yourself really hard. You could call me a Nazi every day for years and I'd never reach a point where I went "okay then I guess I'll act like a Nazi now". Only Nazis decide that it's someone else's fault that they're Nazis. I also said "treat like a nazi" and in all honesty I think you would, not a dig on you, I think it applies to most of the people. Nope. Still telling on yourself. It’s the “I was okay with feminism until a feminist was mean to me one time” argument all over again. If your principles are dependent upon strangers being nice to you then you don’t have principles. Call me a Nazi all you like, my principles aren’t so weak that someone like you could change them.
Sometimes being true to your principles is a luxury you can afford though.
If being true to your principles threatens your personal safety, then bending them to at least blend in is something you have to do if you‘re not unconcerned about it.
If for some reason one day you woke up in a town run by republicans who were reading your communications secretly, and people were disappearing misteriously, would you still campaign against them ?
Or if in the opposite case, you were living in a hood run by criminals, why would you ever want to act differently from them ?
Not really the opposite though as republican doesn‘t mean not criminal.
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I feel like the last 2 days with Iryna Zarutska and Kirk will go down as pivotal moments in the development of the civil war
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On September 11 2025 06:52 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
I feel like the last 2 days with Iryna Zarutska and Kirk will go down as pivotal moments in the development of the civil war
There are no battlelines. Even states you consider blue or red are purple.
We had presidents, senators, civil rights leaders, school children shot and killed and there wasnt a civil war.
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On September 11 2025 06:50 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 06:24 Introvert wrote:On September 11 2025 05:48 LightSpectra wrote:On September 11 2025 05:41 Introvert wrote:On September 11 2025 05:06 Gorsameth wrote:On September 11 2025 04:55 Doublemint wrote:On September 11 2025 04:39 LightSpectra wrote:On September 11 2025 04:31 Doublemint wrote:
we know absolutely nothing thus far, but people very quickly lose their mind and manners.
When Nancy Pelosi's husband was attacked, Trump joked about it and speculated it was a scorned lover. When two Minnesota state congressmen were assassinated, Republican Senator Mike Lee made a joke about it on Twitter. There's countless other examples of the far-right normalizing violence, surely they wouldn't hypocritically decide it's a big deal now that the leopards are eating their own faces? Trump is Trump and a piece of shit, absolutely no one expects better. there is a clear line to him entering the political stage and already terrible standards getting worse. but I thought people wanted things to get better. a certain decorum, sincere or not, should be expected. There was a big 'they go low, we go high' energy with Trump 1. Then the Democrats taking the high road let to Trump getting re-elected. Now people no longer give a shit. There is no reason to take the high road when the low road gets rewarded and the high road doesn't. What right-wing violence has been rewarded? Was anyone like, say, Charlie Kirk, cheering the shooting of the MN legislators? Here's Charlie Kirk praising Derek Chauvin, who murdered George Floyd: https://thecharliekirkshow.com/podcasts/the-charlie-kirk-show/the-case-to-pardon-derek-chauvin-ft-ben-shapiro More fast and loose here. The George Floyd murder was not a politically motivated action, and I've seen enough people complaining about Chauvin being railroaded to know it usually doesn't involve praise for him. You'd think the MN murders would be the perfect analogue here but somehow I think its hard to find anyone, anywhere of note who cheered that on. Moreover, what was the "reward"? People are acting like these events have played to someone's benefit and I want to know whose. There is such a thing of right wing violence too of course, but it normally doesn't get a slap on the back and most right-wing public figures are hounded to denounce it and their rhetoric that supposedly caused it. The fuck happened in january 6th?
Collectively selective memory happened. Right-wingers never remember the smell of their own shit at very convenient times.
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On September 11 2025 06:48 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 06:27 Razyda wrote:On September 11 2025 06:17 KwarK wrote:On September 11 2025 06:11 Razyda wrote:On September 11 2025 06:05 WombaT wrote:On September 11 2025 06:03 Razyda wrote:On September 11 2025 05:55 Doublemint wrote:On September 11 2025 05:39 KwarK wrote:On September 11 2025 04:07 Doublemint wrote:Charlie Kirk has been shot in Utah at an event.@dailymail onservative influencer and Turning Point CEO Charlie Kirk has reportedly been shot after gunfire rang out at an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday.
Chaos erupted at Kirk's Q & A session and students ran for safety.
The right-wing firebrand, 31, was reportedly shot in the neck area and a suspect is in custody following the shooting. Jesus... It’s a start. to nothing good. if we remember, Trump used "Big Balls" getting beat up as a pretense to send the national guard into D.C. only god knows what nightmarish response they come up with after Kirk's death. I think you should pray for brutal response from Trump, anything less and his base will go to someone who will promise them that. Why do we need a brutal response? Thoughts and prayers and arresting the perpetrator and nothing changing is the American way Because if you tell people they are nazis long enough, and treat them like nazis long enough, they will eventually be like " all right then, LFG" and they will need leader. Insufficient Trump response may be just enough. This argument is telling on yourself really hard. You could call me a Nazi every day for years and I'd never reach a point where I went "okay then I guess I'll act like a Nazi now". Only Nazis decide that it's someone else's fault that they're Nazis. I also said "treat like a nazi" and in all honesty I think you would, not a dig on you, I think it applies to most of the people. Nope. Still telling on yourself. It’s the “I was okay with women having equal rights until a feminist was mean to me one time” argument all over again. If your principles are dependent upon strangers being nice to you then you don’t have principles. Call me a Nazi all you like, my principles aren’t so weak that someone like you could change them.
Nah, that just your arrogance talking. Again I also said treat. Why would I call you a nazi? you clearly arent one.
Just for thought experiment, lets say Kirk was your son, same thing happened to your wife, daughter in increasingly vile way, and to take away argument "I wouldnt want anything to do with them if they were arguing Kirk does" lets say that happened because they were talking against legalising paedophilia. Still, not even in the slightest, drawn to the people who will promise you justice?
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United States44173 Posts
The extreme right wing captured the state and cloaked their political violence with uniforms. That doesn’t make their violence apolitical.
We used to have an idea of an apolitical state. Now we have the job application for firefighters including writing an essay about how you will apply the beliefs of Trump and his political philosophy in the performance of the job.
This is why Biden went to absurd lengths to put republicans in charge of investigating Trump. The protection of the idea of political norms was prioritized above justice. He failed. The state has lost the legitimacy underpinning the state monopoly on violence.
Conservatives will pretend that there is no right wing political violence as their politicized FBI raids the offices of their opponents with guns drawn.
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On September 11 2025 07:01 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 06:48 KwarK wrote:On September 11 2025 06:27 Razyda wrote:On September 11 2025 06:17 KwarK wrote:On September 11 2025 06:11 Razyda wrote:On September 11 2025 06:05 WombaT wrote:On September 11 2025 06:03 Razyda wrote:On September 11 2025 05:55 Doublemint wrote:On September 11 2025 05:39 KwarK wrote:It’s a start. to nothing good. if we remember, Trump used "Big Balls" getting beat up as a pretense to send the national guard into D.C. only god knows what nightmarish response they come up with after Kirk's death. I think you should pray for brutal response from Trump, anything less and his base will go to someone who will promise them that. Why do we need a brutal response? Thoughts and prayers and arresting the perpetrator and nothing changing is the American way Because if you tell people they are nazis long enough, and treat them like nazis long enough, they will eventually be like " all right then, LFG" and they will need leader. Insufficient Trump response may be just enough. This argument is telling on yourself really hard. You could call me a Nazi every day for years and I'd never reach a point where I went "okay then I guess I'll act like a Nazi now". Only Nazis decide that it's someone else's fault that they're Nazis. I also said "treat like a nazi" and in all honesty I think you would, not a dig on you, I think it applies to most of the people. Nope. Still telling on yourself. It’s the “I was okay with women having equal rights until a feminist was mean to me one time” argument all over again. If your principles are dependent upon strangers being nice to you then you don’t have principles. Call me a Nazi all you like, my principles aren’t so weak that someone like you could change them. Nah, that just your arrogance talking. Again I also said treat. Why would I call you a nazi? you clearly arent one. Just for thought experiment, lets say Kirk was your son, same thing happened to your wife, daughter in increasingly vile way, and to take away argument "I wouldnt want anything to do with them if they were arguing Kirk does" lets say that happened because they were talking against legalising paedophilia. Still, not even in the slightest, drawn to the people who will promise you justice?
It’s not arrogance to think that I’m better than you.
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Political ambulance chasers like Charlie Kirk aren’t going to get you justice, in fact they’ll profit off your grief to gather donations and engagement.
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"I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this."
- Charlie Kirk
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On September 11 2025 07:09 Mohdoo wrote:
"I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this."
- Charlie Kirk
Reminds me of the slogan ‚I prefer freedom with danger‘.
Soon it might be no freedom and danger.
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On September 11 2025 06:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 06:26 Introvert wrote:On September 11 2025 06:18 farvacola wrote:
There isn’t even a suspect in custody and you’ve already got the “the left has this coming” goons already out in force. How predictable. I would have waited for more but the problem is we already have some lefties cheering it. The praise itself deserves opposition. Riddle: What's the difference between sincerely saying "thoughts and prayers" and insincerely saying it? Answer: + Show Spoiler +
Whatever you think about that phrase no one cheers school shootings. This isn't hard.
On September 11 2025 06:32 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 06:26 Introvert wrote:On September 11 2025 06:18 farvacola wrote:
There isn’t even a suspect in custody and you’ve already got the “the left has this coming” goons already out in force. How predictable. I would have waited for more but the problem is we already have some lefties cheering it. The praise itself deserves opposition. I was against a society where we brand people we politically disagree with enemies and hurt them. I voted against that society at every opportunity. I wasn’t a part of the group that decided to turn this into a game and cheer whenever the enemy got hurt. I was in the group that wanted rule of law and compromise. But here we are. Elections have consequences. You didn’t seem to be too upset when the violence was being used against the people you didn’t like. I didn’t want this game, it was forced upon me by people like you, and now you feign outrage as I play my part.
Your previously listed examples of violence leads me to believe you were always going to end up here, because your definition of violence is whacked. Moreover, I'm not so sure what you want is going to result from this.
On September 11 2025 06:50 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 06:24 Introvert wrote:On September 11 2025 05:48 LightSpectra wrote:On September 11 2025 05:41 Introvert wrote:On September 11 2025 05:06 Gorsameth wrote:On September 11 2025 04:55 Doublemint wrote:On September 11 2025 04:39 LightSpectra wrote:On September 11 2025 04:31 Doublemint wrote:
we know absolutely nothing thus far, but people very quickly lose their mind and manners.
When Nancy Pelosi's husband was attacked, Trump joked about it and speculated it was a scorned lover. When two Minnesota state congressmen were assassinated, Republican Senator Mike Lee made a joke about it on Twitter. There's countless other examples of the far-right normalizing violence, surely they wouldn't hypocritically decide it's a big deal now that the leopards are eating their own faces? Trump is Trump and a piece of shit, absolutely no one expects better. there is a clear line to him entering the political stage and already terrible standards getting worse. but I thought people wanted things to get better. a certain decorum, sincere or not, should be expected. There was a big 'they go low, we go high' energy with Trump 1. Then the Democrats taking the high road let to Trump getting re-elected. Now people no longer give a shit. There is no reason to take the high road when the low road gets rewarded and the high road doesn't. What right-wing violence has been rewarded? Was anyone like, say, Charlie Kirk, cheering the shooting of the MN legislators? Here's Charlie Kirk praising Derek Chauvin, who murdered George Floyd: https://thecharliekirkshow.com/podcasts/the-charlie-kirk-show/the-case-to-pardon-derek-chauvin-ft-ben-shapiro More fast and loose here. The George Floyd murder was not a politically motivated action, and I've seen enough people complaining about Chauvin being railroaded to know it usually doesn't involve praise for him. You'd think the MN murders would be the perfect analogue here but somehow I think its hard to find anyone, anywhere of note who cheered that on. Moreover, what was the "reward"? People are acting like these events have played to someone's benefit and I want to know whose. There is such a thing of right wing violence too of course, but it normally doesn't get a slap on the back and most right-wing public figures are hounded to denounce it and their rhetoric that supposedly caused it. The fuck happened in january 6th?
Trump wasn't rewarded for that, it almost ended his political career. Nor did it work to the benefit of those who did it or their poltical cause. I already said there is such a thing as poltical violence on the right, I'm contesting this strange idea that its a benefit, and thus is an excuse for the other side. Maybe though we are replying the 60s with a different tune. Hope they don't start bombing stuff too.
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On September 11 2025 07:08 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 07:01 Razyda wrote:On September 11 2025 06:48 KwarK wrote:On September 11 2025 06:27 Razyda wrote:On September 11 2025 06:17 KwarK wrote:On September 11 2025 06:11 Razyda wrote:On September 11 2025 06:05 WombaT wrote:On September 11 2025 06:03 Razyda wrote:On September 11 2025 05:55 Doublemint wrote:On September 11 2025 05:39 KwarK wrote:
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It’s a start. to nothing good. if we remember, Trump used "Big Balls" getting beat up as a pretense to send the national guard into D.C. only god knows what nightmarish response they come up with after Kirk's death. I think you should pray for brutal response from Trump, anything less and his base will go to someone who will promise them that. Why do we need a brutal response? Thoughts and prayers and arresting the perpetrator and nothing changing is the American way Because if you tell people they are nazis long enough, and treat them like nazis long enough, they will eventually be like " all right then, LFG" and they will need leader. Insufficient Trump response may be just enough. This argument is telling on yourself really hard. You could call me a Nazi every day for years and I'd never reach a point where I went "okay then I guess I'll act like a Nazi now". Only Nazis decide that it's someone else's fault that they're Nazis. I also said "treat like a nazi" and in all honesty I think you would, not a dig on you, I think it applies to most of the people. Nope. Still telling on yourself. It’s the “I was okay with women having equal rights until a feminist was mean to me one time” argument all over again. If your principles are dependent upon strangers being nice to you then you don’t have principles. Call me a Nazi all you like, my principles aren’t so weak that someone like you could change them. Nah, that just your arrogance talking. Again I also said treat. Why would I call you a nazi? you clearly arent one. Just for thought experiment, lets say Kirk was your son, same thing happened to your wife, daughter in increasingly vile way, and to take away argument "I wouldnt want anything to do with them if they were arguing Kirk does" lets say that happened because they were talking against legalising paedophilia. Still, not even in the slightest, drawn to the people who will promise you justice? It’s not arrogance to think that I’m better than you.
It is this arrogance that proves that you are, indeed, worse than me  .
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No one cheers school shootings but at the same time no one cares about about school shootings to make them stop because it’s politically convenient to have them keep happening. Same deal here.
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On September 11 2025 07:12 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 06:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 11 2025 06:26 Introvert wrote:On September 11 2025 06:18 farvacola wrote:
There isn’t even a suspect in custody and you’ve already got the “the left has this coming” goons already out in force. How predictable. I would have waited for more but the problem is we already have some lefties cheering it. The praise itself deserves opposition. Riddle: What's the difference between sincerely saying "thoughts and prayers" and insincerely saying it? Answer: + Show Spoiler + Whatever you think about that phrase no one cheers school shootings. This isn't hard. Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 06:32 KwarK wrote:On September 11 2025 06:26 Introvert wrote:On September 11 2025 06:18 farvacola wrote:
There isn’t even a suspect in custody and you’ve already got the “the left has this coming” goons already out in force. How predictable. I would have waited for more but the problem is we already have some lefties cheering it. The praise itself deserves opposition. I was against a society where we brand people we politically disagree with enemies and hurt them. I voted against that society at every opportunity. I wasn’t a part of the group that decided to turn this into a game and cheer whenever the enemy got hurt. I was in the group that wanted rule of law and compromise. But here we are. Elections have consequences. You didn’t seem to be too upset when the violence was being used against the people you didn’t like. I didn’t want this game, it was forced upon me by people like you, and now you feign outrage as I play my part. Your previously listed examples of violence leads me to believe you were always going to end up here, because your definition of violence is whacked. Moreover, I'm not so sure what you want is going to result from this. Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 06:50 Godwrath wrote:On September 11 2025 06:24 Introvert wrote:On September 11 2025 05:48 LightSpectra wrote:On September 11 2025 05:41 Introvert wrote:On September 11 2025 05:06 Gorsameth wrote:On September 11 2025 04:55 Doublemint wrote:On September 11 2025 04:39 LightSpectra wrote:On September 11 2025 04:31 Doublemint wrote:
we know absolutely nothing thus far, but people very quickly lose their mind and manners.
When Nancy Pelosi's husband was attacked, Trump joked about it and speculated it was a scorned lover. When two Minnesota state congressmen were assassinated, Republican Senator Mike Lee made a joke about it on Twitter. There's countless other examples of the far-right normalizing violence, surely they wouldn't hypocritically decide it's a big deal now that the leopards are eating their own faces? Trump is Trump and a piece of shit, absolutely no one expects better. there is a clear line to him entering the political stage and already terrible standards getting worse. but I thought people wanted things to get better. a certain decorum, sincere or not, should be expected. There was a big 'they go low, we go high' energy with Trump 1. Then the Democrats taking the high road let to Trump getting re-elected. Now people no longer give a shit. There is no reason to take the high road when the low road gets rewarded and the high road doesn't. What right-wing violence has been rewarded? Was anyone like, say, Charlie Kirk, cheering the shooting of the MN legislators? Here's Charlie Kirk praising Derek Chauvin, who murdered George Floyd: https://thecharliekirkshow.com/podcasts/the-charlie-kirk-show/the-case-to-pardon-derek-chauvin-ft-ben-shapiro More fast and loose here. The George Floyd murder was not a politically motivated action, and I've seen enough people complaining about Chauvin being railroaded to know it usually doesn't involve praise for him. You'd think the MN murders would be the perfect analogue here but somehow I think its hard to find anyone, anywhere of note who cheered that on. Moreover, what was the "reward"? People are acting like these events have played to someone's benefit and I want to know whose. There is such a thing of right wing violence too of course, but it normally doesn't get a slap on the back and most right-wing public figures are hounded to denounce it and their rhetoric that supposedly caused it. The fuck happened in january 6th? Trump wasn't rewarded for that, it almost ended his political career. Nor did it work to the benefit of those who did it or their poltical cause. I already said there is such a thing as poltical violence on the right, I'm contesting this strange idea that its a benefit, and thus is an excuse for the other side. Maybe though we are replying the 60s with a different tune. Hope they don't start bombing stuff too.
It almost ended Trump's political career, and yet somehow he became president for a second time.
Uh-huh. Look, maybe you're not a big fan of hindsight reasoning, I can get behind that very much. But Trump did become president again. I wanna see what you understand as "almost ended his career", because I saw none of that.
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On September 11 2025 07:12 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 06:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 11 2025 06:26 Introvert wrote:On September 11 2025 06:18 farvacola wrote:
There isn’t even a suspect in custody and you’ve already got the “the left has this coming” goons already out in force. How predictable. I would have waited for more but the problem is we already have some lefties cheering it. The praise itself deserves opposition. Riddle: What's the difference between sincerely saying "thoughts and prayers" and insincerely saying it? Answer: + Show Spoiler + Whatever you think about that phrase no one cheers school shootings. This isn't hard. Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 06:32 KwarK wrote:On September 11 2025 06:26 Introvert wrote:On September 11 2025 06:18 farvacola wrote:
There isn’t even a suspect in custody and you’ve already got the “the left has this coming” goons already out in force. How predictable. I would have waited for more but the problem is we already have some lefties cheering it. The praise itself deserves opposition. I was against a society where we brand people we politically disagree with enemies and hurt them. I voted against that society at every opportunity. I wasn’t a part of the group that decided to turn this into a game and cheer whenever the enemy got hurt. I was in the group that wanted rule of law and compromise. But here we are. Elections have consequences. You didn’t seem to be too upset when the violence was being used against the people you didn’t like. I didn’t want this game, it was forced upon me by people like you, and now you feign outrage as I play my part. Your previously listed examples of violence leads me to believe you were always going to end up here, because your definition of violence is whacked. Moreover, I'm not so sure what you want is going to result from this. Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 06:50 Godwrath wrote:On September 11 2025 06:24 Introvert wrote:On September 11 2025 05:48 LightSpectra wrote:On September 11 2025 05:41 Introvert wrote:On September 11 2025 05:06 Gorsameth wrote:On September 11 2025 04:55 Doublemint wrote:On September 11 2025 04:39 LightSpectra wrote:On September 11 2025 04:31 Doublemint wrote:
we know absolutely nothing thus far, but people very quickly lose their mind and manners.
When Nancy Pelosi's husband was attacked, Trump joked about it and speculated it was a scorned lover. When two Minnesota state congressmen were assassinated, Republican Senator Mike Lee made a joke about it on Twitter. There's countless other examples of the far-right normalizing violence, surely they wouldn't hypocritically decide it's a big deal now that the leopards are eating their own faces? Trump is Trump and a piece of shit, absolutely no one expects better. there is a clear line to him entering the political stage and already terrible standards getting worse. but I thought people wanted things to get better. a certain decorum, sincere or not, should be expected. There was a big 'they go low, we go high' energy with Trump 1. Then the Democrats taking the high road let to Trump getting re-elected. Now people no longer give a shit. There is no reason to take the high road when the low road gets rewarded and the high road doesn't. What right-wing violence has been rewarded? Was anyone like, say, Charlie Kirk, cheering the shooting of the MN legislators? Here's Charlie Kirk praising Derek Chauvin, who murdered George Floyd: https://thecharliekirkshow.com/podcasts/the-charlie-kirk-show/the-case-to-pardon-derek-chauvin-ft-ben-shapiro More fast and loose here. The George Floyd murder was not a politically motivated action, and I've seen enough people complaining about Chauvin being railroaded to know it usually doesn't involve praise for him. You'd think the MN murders would be the perfect analogue here but somehow I think its hard to find anyone, anywhere of note who cheered that on. Moreover, what was the "reward"? People are acting like these events have played to someone's benefit and I want to know whose. There is such a thing of right wing violence too of course, but it normally doesn't get a slap on the back and most right-wing public figures are hounded to denounce it and their rhetoric that supposedly caused it. The fuck happened in january 6th? Trump wasn't rewarded for that, it almost ended his political career. Nor did it work to the benefit of those who did it or their poltical cause. I already said there is such a thing as poltical violence on the right, I'm contesting this strange idea that its a benefit, and thus is an excuse for the other side. Maybe though we are replying the 60s with a different tune. Hope they don't start bombing stuff too.
Which side of the political ledger argues against giving every Tom, Dick or Harry whatever guns they fancy?
If the left got their way it would defang their ability to enact political violence such as we saw tonight
But apparently the left is simultaneously wanting one’s guns, but also all about that political violence
Trump wasn’t rewarded for Jan 6th, but he wasn’t remotely punished either. He also pardoned people who 100% deserved jail time And the latter is why many of us think the majority of conservatives are completely full of it, with honourable exceptions do of course exist.
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Any conservatives here have a good reason why we should cry and condemn violence when conservatives are killed but it's OK for them to mock liberals/leftists and propagate insane conspiracies when they're killed?
No?
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Yeah, the politicians dropped condemning Jan 6th when their political base largely showed that they didn’t care and even supported Jan 6th. That or they just chose to “retire”, which is basically what American politicians do when they just can’t be bothered to deal with morally inconvenient situations.
Reminder that lady that got shot for not complying with law enforcement is getting posthumous honours despite actively participating in Jan 6th. That’s the political environment we live in.
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On September 11 2025 07:12 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 06:32 KwarK wrote:On September 11 2025 06:26 Introvert wrote:On September 11 2025 06:18 farvacola wrote:
There isn’t even a suspect in custody and you’ve already got the “the left has this coming” goons already out in force. How predictable. I would have waited for more but the problem is we already have some lefties cheering it. The praise itself deserves opposition. I was against a society where we brand people we politically disagree with enemies and hurt them. I voted against that society at every opportunity. I wasn’t a part of the group that decided to turn this into a game and cheer whenever the enemy got hurt. I was in the group that wanted rule of law and compromise. But here we are. Elections have consequences. You didn’t seem to be too upset when the violence was being used against the people you didn’t like. I didn’t want this game, it was forced upon me by people like you, and now you feign outrage as I play my part. Your previously listed examples of violence leads me to believe you were always going to end up here, because your definition of violence is whacked. Moreover, I'm not so sure what you want is going to result from this.
I don't want any part of any of this. There's a better than even chance that my team loses. I voted against turning this into a team sport and cheering as people get hurt.
When the FBI was used against the civil rights movement was that political violence?
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On September 11 2025 07:26 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 07:12 Introvert wrote:On September 11 2025 06:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 11 2025 06:26 Introvert wrote:On September 11 2025 06:18 farvacola wrote:
There isn’t even a suspect in custody and you’ve already got the “the left has this coming” goons already out in force. How predictable. I would have waited for more but the problem is we already have some lefties cheering it. The praise itself deserves opposition. Riddle: What's the difference between sincerely saying "thoughts and prayers" and insincerely saying it? Answer: + Show Spoiler + Whatever you think about that phrase no one cheers school shootings. This isn't hard. On September 11 2025 06:32 KwarK wrote:On September 11 2025 06:26 Introvert wrote:On September 11 2025 06:18 farvacola wrote:
There isn’t even a suspect in custody and you’ve already got the “the left has this coming” goons already out in force. How predictable. I would have waited for more but the problem is we already have some lefties cheering it. The praise itself deserves opposition. I was against a society where we brand people we politically disagree with enemies and hurt them. I voted against that society at every opportunity. I wasn’t a part of the group that decided to turn this into a game and cheer whenever the enemy got hurt. I was in the group that wanted rule of law and compromise. But here we are. Elections have consequences. You didn’t seem to be too upset when the violence was being used against the people you didn’t like. I didn’t want this game, it was forced upon me by people like you, and now you feign outrage as I play my part. Your previously listed examples of violence leads me to believe you were always going to end up here, because your definition of violence is whacked. Moreover, I'm not so sure what you want is going to result from this. On September 11 2025 06:50 Godwrath wrote:On September 11 2025 06:24 Introvert wrote:On September 11 2025 05:48 LightSpectra wrote:On September 11 2025 05:41 Introvert wrote:On September 11 2025 05:06 Gorsameth wrote:On September 11 2025 04:55 Doublemint wrote:On September 11 2025 04:39 LightSpectra wrote:On September 11 2025 04:31 Doublemint wrote:
we know absolutely nothing thus far, but people very quickly lose their mind and manners.
When Nancy Pelosi's husband was attacked, Trump joked about it and speculated it was a scorned lover. When two Minnesota state congressmen were assassinated, Republican Senator Mike Lee made a joke about it on Twitter. There's countless other examples of the far-right normalizing violence, surely they wouldn't hypocritically decide it's a big deal now that the leopards are eating their own faces? Trump is Trump and a piece of shit, absolutely no one expects better. there is a clear line to him entering the political stage and already terrible standards getting worse. but I thought people wanted things to get better. a certain decorum, sincere or not, should be expected. There was a big 'they go low, we go high' energy with Trump 1. Then the Democrats taking the high road let to Trump getting re-elected. Now people no longer give a shit. There is no reason to take the high road when the low road gets rewarded and the high road doesn't. What right-wing violence has been rewarded? Was anyone like, say, Charlie Kirk, cheering the shooting of the MN legislators? Here's Charlie Kirk praising Derek Chauvin, who murdered George Floyd: https://thecharliekirkshow.com/podcasts/the-charlie-kirk-show/the-case-to-pardon-derek-chauvin-ft-ben-shapiro More fast and loose here. The George Floyd murder was not a politically motivated action, and I've seen enough people complaining about Chauvin being railroaded to know it usually doesn't involve praise for him. You'd think the MN murders would be the perfect analogue here but somehow I think its hard to find anyone, anywhere of note who cheered that on. Moreover, what was the "reward"? People are acting like these events have played to someone's benefit and I want to know whose. There is such a thing of right wing violence too of course, but it normally doesn't get a slap on the back and most right-wing public figures are hounded to denounce it and their rhetoric that supposedly caused it. The fuck happened in january 6th? Trump wasn't rewarded for that, it almost ended his political career. Nor did it work to the benefit of those who did it or their poltical cause. I already said there is such a thing as poltical violence on the right, I'm contesting this strange idea that its a benefit, and thus is an excuse for the other side. Maybe though we are replying the 60s with a different tune. Hope they don't start bombing stuff too. Which side of the political ledger argues against giving every Tom, Dick or Harry whatever guns they fancy? If the left got their way it would defang their ability to enact political violence such as we saw tonight But apparently the left is simultaneously wanting one’s guns, but also all about that political violence Trump wasn’t rewarded for Jan 6th, but he wasn’t remotely punished either. He also pardoned people who 100% deserved jail time And the latter is why many of us think the majority of conservatives are completely full of it, with honourable exceptions do of course exist.
Trump's approval rating also immediately recovered after January 6. It went all the way back up to 49%, which was higher than the 42% at which his first term started. Then in the second term he started with 47%.
There was nothing "career ending" for Trump. If anything, January 6 emboldened the right-wing. The outcry was fake. They supported Trump harder than ever before.
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